Testimonies

Here you can find a collection of Testimonies from people that clicked. We highly recommend everybody that clicked to share there experience as it can help other people.

Name: Lindun

"Before the click I was suffering from pretty severe social anxiety"

Age: 22

Country: Finland

PreClick Core Value: Validation

PreClick Believes/Troubles: Social anxiety,

"I'm 22 years old from Finland. I've been listening to realtalk for about a week now and constantly trying to figure out what my core value is. Then suddenly I clicked during the stream when athene started talking about how you're just an empty shell, seeking validation from others and not really thinking for yourself. Heart and hands started shaking and I had to take a breather. The feeling continued for a couple of minutes until I calmed down abit. My mind feels completly at ease right now. Just need to reinforce my belief in logic now, since some ideas still makes me experience dissonance." source

"Did the click fix social anxiety? Before the click I was suffering from pretty severe social anxiety. Today I did something that I feared before the click. I walked into a room full of people and asked a question. Before my heart would start racing and I would get a red face and start sweating. My voice would tremble and so on. This was because of social anxiety. I was constantly thinking about what other people thought about me. When I adopted logic as my core value, I understood the cause of this, a flawed core value. Low selfesteem because of contant validation seeking and trying to fit in. So now what did happen? I assumed that everything wouldn't be gone instantly, since it would take time to adjust and figure everything out. This was correct, I walked in asked the question and felt my face starting to heat up, I understood the cause and because of that I didn't feel any other symptoms. My voice was steady, no increase in heartbeat rate and no real sweating. This makes me believe that the click can really fix anxiety problems, as long as you know the underlying cause. I believe social anxiety symptoms can even completly vanish in the future." source

Name: Cence99

"It was rewarding for the first time in my life to clean my room"

Age: 17

Country: germany

PreClick Core Value: Comfort

PreClick Believes/Troubles:

"I am from Germany and I recently turned 17 years old.

The first day when I heard about all this stuff was when Athene uploaded the video "Logic Nation" and it popped up in my feed. I was really believing into this before the click, as I watched most of Athene's videos from the beginning and trusted him, I thought this could not be a scam.

After watching the stream for 5+ hours straight and finding out more about the click here on the subreddit, I really tried the steps, I really wanted it to happen as I was a logical person on the rational part of my brain all the time. I like maths, science, computer science etc. so I did not have a hard time with loving Logic in Step 1.

In the next Step, I eventually found out that my core value was Comfort, playing WoW and Counter Strike all day, having that dream of writing games and apps (which I was doing as well, but most of the time I played games and wasted time). This is a crucial Step towards replacing the core value with Logic.

After having done Step 3 of turning Comfort into something negative, I eventually reached the Paradigm Shift. I kept looking at objects in my room with wide open eyes, seeing the beauty in everything and feeling happy and extremely curious. I literally kept looking at diecast cars (is this the right term? Basically small cars of plastic / metal) in my room and tried to grasp the science behind it. It was really crazy and awesome at the same time.

This happened after watching the stream and videos for too long, as well as reading through reddit posts. It was very late in the evening, so I decided to sleep. My thoughts were still there a lot, but I had no real problems falling asleep.

Now in the next morning, I was confused. I almost forgot about all the Logic stuff. I did not feel "enlightened" or anything. Just after a few hours, it came back into my mind and I opened up youtube and the stream again, as I figured something must be wrong, this is not it. Did I really have "the click"? I found out the third Step would take me quite a while. I had a call with Rex who was pushing me into the right direction, saying I should eventually have a call with Athene. So I asked in the Twitch Chat whether he could help me make the click, and he responded very fast with yes. I recorded it if it is valuable to anyone. However, he cleared up my questions about Step 3, I just did not understand how to make Comfort a negative emotion. After I understood that and took some time for myself watching the stream, meditating to classical music (wtf? I've never done that before in my life lol), and eventually ....

.... nothing happened.

I just went to Cs: Go with friends of mine who were asking and pushing me all day. "Where have you been?" "We were waiting all day!"

I told them about the click and Logic (which was a mistake! Do not tell friends and family too early, they will think you are crazy!) and they first started laughing and did not take it seriously. I still kept holding on to the concept of clicking, not caring about what they were saying. And suddenly, after playing a few rounds (a matter of minutes), I felt dissonance. It was so weird, I can only identify it now as dissonance. At that point, I was just confused as I thought I did not make the click. It was a warm, unconvenient, almost a bit hurting feeling in my stomach that told me I was doing the wrong thing and wasting time. I basically had an urge to do something else. Unfortunately I played the game until the end and opened up the stream again afterwards.

Lying in my bed, I had a deep conversation with a friend of mine via mobile who played the round of Cs: Go with me earlier that day. I tried explaining the click to him, how it will affect and change the world, the benefits of it. But he did not quite understand. We had two different perspectives and two different levels of knowledge about this stuff, so I told him after an hour or two that it would not make any sense and he should watch the video and invest time himself to understand the click. We went both to sleep, but I just could not. I felt so much happiness, such an urge to spread the click all of a sudden, that I went to the subreddit and answered questions. My thoughts were spinning in my head like crazy, thinking about all kinds of questions. Thinking about how I would have gone through life if I had Logic as my core value since the start, as well as about life itself right now. I stayed in bed and tried to sleep, telling myself "I need rest. I need rest. I need rest.", but it would just not work, even if it seemed logical to rest. I felt like I could really think for the first time, but it was not in my control. It was probably because the click was fresh and new. So many thoughts spinning in my head like crazy. ... I eventually stayed awake the whole night, and in the next morning, even though I felt tired and a bit loss of sleep, it was not like normal. I immediately wanted to do logical things like crazy. How I felt was different, also how I behaved. That day (which is today, the day when I posted this) I watched documentaries all day, had an urge to spread it, an urge to learn, an urge to understand everything, how life works from the very smallest bit to the largest bit, quantum mechanics, neuroscience and more. My parents needed help cleaning the house, so I figured it was the most logical thing to do, as resisting would cause only trouble and would be illogical. If I support my parents, it will be done faster, and the house is clean. While cleaning, I had a big urge of reorganizing my environment. I really wanted to throw away unnecessary stuff that I never really noticed in my room, but it was there. Like some Star Wars figures, weird decoration that did not really fit in here and were useless etc. I really felt happy about it, I organized lots of documents and so on, it was rewarding for the first time in my life to clean my room. As I have an urge to restructure my life and my environment, I do need to take some time for myself and figure things out. However, it could be useful to someone who has questions to have a talk if I find time, you can add me on Skype. I am really curious where this will be going in the future, also how much I will change, or if I will fall back to my old patterns and core value (which I highly doubt). Please do not be disappointed if I do not find myself in a state to have a call with you, as this is new to me and I am restructuring my life. If you've made it down here, you're a hero! Tell me what you think!" source

"I feel like I did the click late in the evening, or maybe even before that, but in the evening I felt so strong and an urge to spread it and understand everything, it was crazy. It is still like that in the morning today, so I guess I finally clicked and I am so happy. However, this night I think I did not sleep at all. All the thoughts and questions and answers just spinned in my head like crazy. I was so happy at the same time, but I told myself that it is logical to get sleep and rest to be effective and functioning the next day. I kept saying that to myself "I need rest. I need rest. I need rest." and really tried. But the last time I looked at the clock it was 5 a.m., after that I do not even know if I slept or were awake, it was weird. I eventually stood up/woke up at 12 a.m. Do you guys also experience less sleep or problems, or is it only like that the first night? I felt like my head exploded all night it was so weird if I think about it. That evening I wanted to even set an alarm clock to wake up early and help to spread everything, what I never ever did before during school vacation, it must have been the click. But after my thoughts spinning all around, I figured I just needed sleep and put the alarm clock off. I did not sleep anyway, so, yeah.. Tell me what you guys think. I am afraid to not get any sleep." source

Name: adkn1337

"It was a huge relief because suddenly all my fears, anxieties were gone, and the past that I was carrying behind me aswell"

Age: 19

Country: Czech republic

PreClick Core Value: Comfort

PreClick Believes/Troubles: Social anxiety,

"Hey there, Im 19 years old guy from Czech republic and I want to share with you something from my past (before I clicked) and my present after I clicked. For my whole life I had a social anxiety, I feared of open conversation and the last relationship that went to hell left me pretty emotionaly unstable so I also carried many bad emotions as a burden day and day out and I was living under constant stress. So you can assume that I am a introvert type of person. As Athene came with the whole ''Making Sense'' thing I tried to adapt it and use it as a tool to overcome my fears, social anxiety and I even tried to ''switch'' from introvert to extrovert.

I have to say that this whole proccess lasted like a week although I was really dedicated, but after the week it just faded. And now I know that it was because of I rationally wanted to change, but since my Core value was comfort, on the emotional level I did not change anything. So after that I was going with my ''core comfort value'' deeper and deeper. I played PC games 24/7, and if I didnt I was just wasting time scrolling thru facebook and laughed about stupid memes.

Yesterday, I found Athene's newest video Logic Nation. I watched it as I came bored from the school and I was like ''whoah, maybe this is the thing that I didnt had the last time I tried to change'' because it answered some questions that I had the last time. I tried to elaborate and reflect on it for few hours, then went to sleep. Next day when I woke up, the first thing that I thinked about was how I can do logic things thru out the day and how Am I supposed to see logic behind everything, I was really confused about it and ofcourse it caused even more dissonance that I had before ( since I wanted to change my life rationaly, on emotionaly). I tried to ask some questions on Athene's stream but unfortunately I did not get answer) so I started going thru the subreddit and found a post from user with nickname Re-x.I contacted this guy on Skype and we talked about everything that I didnt had answer for (Thanks again If you are reading this :D ) and after that, I knew it is completely on me. I knew, that emotionaly I still desire comfort and that comfort is my core value, so the step 2 was done for me instantly. Step one was I think the hardest one because even after the conversation, I haven't seen logic under everything, but after a walk in woods and really deep thinking (also watching some videos) I made the sense of Step one and now I know that I believe in Logic as whole.So with the step two already done, after quite some time of self reflecting and convincing myself that the Comfort core value is bad, wrong and doesnt gives me any safety rather than ''decaying me from inside'' I was able to let go, and it was a huge relief because suddenly all my fears, anxieties were gone, and the past that I was carrying behind me aswell. I felt immense joy and from nothing I was driven to understand things. I also felt desire to know more about quantum mechanics, more about the world in general and more. Anyway now I know that I have to feed the new core value and that I need to keep going to fully make sense out of everything." source

Name: Internetz-User (Salthene on twitch/discord)

Age: 20

Country:

PreClick Core Value: Comfort

PreClick Believes/Troubles:

"I am 20 years old now and i was following athene through all the real talk I also helped with several projects. Like supporting G4G or posting a lot of tweets to spread awareness about net neutrality but I was still procrastinating a lot because i was using logic just as a tool.

So when i realized what the click was the only thing i wanted is to get it. I watched the stream and the logic nation video. When I finished the video and i understood the steps i needed to go sleep while i was trying to sleep I was searching for what drove me.

Fitting in and comfort were the values i tought about most but i came to the conclusion that my core value was comfort because I was gaming a lot and watching useless videos so I did step 4 and shed negative light on it I imagined myself for example how I could be the first one on the leaderboard of G4G and what kind of impact that could've made.

That's when I made the click before that I was really tired (like i would fall to the ground if i dont lay down tired) But after the click my heart was beating so fast and i felt the rush it was really hard to sleep, I was also thinking a lot. The coming days i was not once procrastinating with gaming or watching videos i just wanted to do the most logical thing for every decision, like working out or eating healthy." source

Name: NoxTeP

Age: 23

Country: Latvia

PreClick Core Value: Comfort

PreClick Believes/Troubles:

"I wanna share my thought pattern by clicking. As I experienced my self before click I could not read long posts so this gonna be a short one. Day -1 => Extreme discomfort, constant backwards rationalization patterns, shaking, anxiety, vaping constantly keeping myself in a brain fog to calm down the anxiety. Day 0[click] => Listening to stream, shaking, cannot find reason to exist, finding out I feel completely worthless and feeling like i should not be around. Remembering blocked from childhood memories about what makes me feel this way. Starting to calculate whit current knowledge I have. Finding solid logical argument there is reason I exist and trying emotionally root myself whit it. Old core belief brain patterns trying to choke it out by backwards rationalization. I start to give solid reasons why I should trust reality. taking stuff off the table and looking how it drops back on table giving sensory input a solid proof reality patterns are very concrete and I can trust them. ''SUDDEN DOPAMINE HIT''' 40 minutes of pure unbiased calculation to end all dissonance. Feeling euphoric. Dissonance ended. Throwing out vape, watching stream and in parallel doing my homework, no dissonance. Going to sleep, some calculation => pure brain silence. Waking up at 8:00 AM writing this post. All games deleted, all distractions thrown out. Shit is going down." source

Name: Re-x

Age: 17

Country: Sweden

PreClick Core Value: Comfort

PreClick Believes/Troubles:

"Hey guys I'm 17 and I just had 2 calls with Athene. First call I wanted to make the click really badly but questions like why trust logic?, My enviroment is comfortable and my core value is comfort why change it? After the first call Athene answered my questions and everything else just dissappeared. All the questions I had and all the dissonance and noice in my head questioning myself stopped. I felt a burst of happiness and my stomach felt good also my heart was beating really fast. I realized that being comfortable is bad in the long run but also making my emotional part of my brain think that comfort is something negative, for example i sit on my pc all day and go to school. Now I realize how all of that is useless and I just got to make sense cause that's what I always wanted. When u make the click u will realize that you always wanted to make sense on your rational part of your brain but now your emotional part also wants it and it feels fucking awesome.

If you doubt anything I said u will just lose out. This will spread like crazy and Athene was right with saying he has to go in the dark. This is a new revoulotion. If u want to hear the calls go to Athenes vod this stream. I'm the rex guy(rezxe in the chat) and I'm from Sweden. After first call Athene called me again and I explained how I felt. If u guys have any questions or need help to make the click I'm happy to help out, I just want to spread this so badly.

A thing I took away from the video although I already clicked was that it's important to strengthen your neural pathways that makes sense and feed your faith in logic. Otherwise you might fall back to old habbits and you will experience a lot of dissonance. You strengthen the neural pathways by keep doing stuff that makes sense. For example I instantly went and spread my experience here on reddit since it makes sense to help others click aswell. Also I feel the urge to work out instead of sitting on my ass doing jack shit. I feel like I can do my school homework easy now since I know why I do it, I have a purpose. Eating healthy aswell, it just makes fucking sense. Every decision I make now fundamentally makes sense and since my emotional core is logic I'm in the present. I will just keep this flow going and if I find myself in a situation where I experience anxiety in the future, I will just face it with logic, does it make sense to experience social anxiety? No, so I intercept the emotion and reframe it by trusting in logic. It truly is beautiful." source

Name: FlawlessTT(placebo?)

Age:

Country:

PreClick Core Value: Comfort

PreClick Believes/Troubles:

"Hey guys, I wanted to share my story about clicking with you because I thought it might maybe help some of you plus I could use some feedback for my current situation. I have been following the real talk for quite some time and always thought that my core value was comfort. I created a lot of dissonance and thought about how comfort is a flawed core value and how it goes against itself. But I somehow couldn´t make the transition to making-sense/logic. My click happened when Ricardo talked about his former core value “gaining value“. It might sound a bit confusing to some people but he explains it here at 1:39:45https://www.twitch.tv/athenelive/v/95371855. I reflected on it and realised that I had the same problems like low self-esteem and feeling like you are worth less then others. I tried to compensate by gaining value in order to feel some kind of self worth. To be more specific, I looked at it through my lense of social conditioning and tried to gain value by doing illogical things like playing music, going to university, buying certain clothes or going to the gym only to build muscle. I grew emotionally attached to them (especially to music) because I thought these were the only things/actions that could provide value for me and make me feel better about myself. The way I clicked was by creating a lot of dissonance around my old core value and giving a strong positive emotion to logic. I compared gaining value to logic and realised how I try to stimulate my reward center with all these superficial things/actions that in reality don't give me any real value. Furthermore, I might fall in a deep hole if I wouldn't be able go to the gym due to an injury or drop out of university due to a failed exam. I realised that everything that I thought would give me value was just a product of social conditioning and that for example I woudn't be playing an instrument if I weren't born in the current time and society. Logic, on the other hand, is the thing that can give me the most value. By doing what is logical (e.g. moving forward, helping others, making a difference) I will have more value, more meaning in life and feel way better about myself. At this point I made the click. I started to feel the typical symptoms like the warm feeling in your chest, dopamine rush, my problems dissapeared, being more clear headed and a need to spread it. At this moment I literally felt like I could overcome any obstacle and I found myself unable to sleep for hours due to all the thoughts that poped-up in my head. Over the next 2 day my dopamine decreased and I started feeling anxiety and dissonance. At one point I even went back into old habits and stimmulated my “old“ neural pathways which caused my dissonance to overwhelm me and completely interrupted my logic-flow. I felt at my worst and came to the conclusion that I must have experienced a placebo click. It was the new video “LOGIC NATION: A Psychological Revolution“ that helped me to understand

that my trust in logic is not big enough yet and I therefore don't feel safe with it. I still need time to rewire myself. I tried to stimulate my new logical pathways by always asking myself “what is the most logical thing you can do right now?“ and acted according to my conclusions. Furthermore, I thought about how logic brings about all my safety (e.g. medicine, my parents house, family). The anxiety and dissonance greatly decreased and my trust in logic went up. Currently I'm working on increasing my trust in logic by listening to the stream/podcasts, watching Cosmos and trying to logically explain my dissonance when it comes up.(By the way I appreciate any feedback by you guys on how I can increase my trust in logic more)." Source

Name: Ringmail

Age:

Country:

PreClick Core Value:

PreClick Believes/Troubles:

"For the past 2 months I've listened to all the real talks, and it changed a lot of my behaviours - I became vegetarian, worked out regularly, didn't waste money on dumb shit and so on. But it was not all good. In my free time, I could still catch myself watching TV or whatever, in the need for entertainment, and 2 days ago I was in a bad mood, when I turned on Athenes stream, and he was showing the video 'Logic Nation'. It made me click, which resulted in the release of dopamine, and I had to do logical things. First off I reinstalled my PC and deleted all bullshit from my phone - having it didn't make sense anymore, so it caused so much dissonance. I've read about neuropsychology and quantum mechanics enough to really trust in logic - even if I still cant explain certain things, could be gravity, I know for sure, that logic have the answer even through it has not yet been proven by out limited knowledge Also meditating on my past experiences which was guided by my previous core value really helped trusting logic a lot. I always wanted to fit in, and learning that it is logic because of evolution and neuroscience really meant a lot. Another thing that helped me a lot is talking about these things to whoever wants to listen. I even recorded myself explaining things, just to structure my thoughts" Source

Name: SpockderPants

Age: 21

Country: south africa(?)

PreClick Core Value: Perfection

PreClick Believes/Troubles:

"Recovering from drug induced psychosis and anxiety and depression, started using drugs when I was 18, broke my reward center and what else, took LSD with a broken reward system and experienced my identity dissapear, this was fuel to a fire that raged through my life for 2 years after that and nearly destroyed my future. The past two months my reward center has been recovering rapidly with medication, recently only antidepressants and cognitive therapy, also my lifestyle became healthy and I broke a keystone habit of smoking so the health related value popped into place, which helped a lot. My reward center will be completely fixed in about 4 months. I'm adding this because the click was made in a single day by a young me with a history of self destructive behaviors, drug abuse, and a slightly off balance biochemistry. So happily remove any doubts that you are not (yet) eligible for logic as a core value." Source

"I watched the video of the four steps by Athene about 30 mins before driving to a remote venue for a wedding I attended. Directly after the video I googled "how to find my core value", and found a site that explained something along these lines: identify your greatest achievements and your greatest failures and when you were at your most efficient and most inefficient, then find a common rule or theme among those.I put my phone away and drove to pick up my significant other. Not long after we set out to the remote venue I told her that I am looking for my core value and started bouncing ideas off her. Not long after we each named a few and had a few explanations I formulated the idea that my core value was "perfection".I was always striving to get to 100% at everything interesting to me, by biggest accomplishments are the ones where I thought I was closest to the top 100% and biggest failures was when I thought I failed miserably at being better than other people.After looking for exceptions to the rule and not finding any, I thought that's a pretty accurate definition of my core value. The feeling of pride, or success was the driving factor in almost every decision I made.Technical skills such as rhetoric and critical thinking is really important if you want to either seem like you are better than everyone else, or if you want to generate proof of that believe for yourself. So I think my skills in using logic and reasoning was decent enough so step 1 was easy. I just opted to have faith in logic, and it made sense based on the assumption that logical rules underpin everything in the universe at every level of emergence or scale.Quickly after just sitting with the idea that my core value is striving to be perfect, I followed step 3, and with the same logic Athene uses in Real Answers I just reasoned the following: My need to be perfect stops me from becoming perfect. This is because I cannot tolerate anything that tells me I am not perfect. This blinded me to my own faults and errors I make. Effectively making me arrogant and extremely vulnerable and afraid of any criticism to the idea that 'I am perfect'.After reasoning on a few more occasions through the day that striving for perfection is not going to make me perfect, I attended the wedding and got smashed in the mean time.The next morning with a pretty decent hangover, I noticed that I was able to think about things that elicit a fear response without terminating the thought or looking away from the thought or emotion. This is when I clicked*. "My identity is gone", I thought to myself. This is what I perceive to be selflessness. My identity was there to protect me from scary thoughts and emotions that might threaten my perfect status.The rest of the day was really interesting, I was learning things about myself and other people at a rapid pace, but it didn't feel like effort. It just felt as though every time I feel something negative I just identify what and why I am feeling like that, and most of the time a solution presents itself or the anxiety about the emotion just dissipated. I thought: "change everything you can't accept and accept everything you can't change" is pretty close to my mindset now, the automatic response to everything I do. I broke my racial barrier (which is a big thing in South Africa), I fixed a deep problem with me and my mother's relationship, I faced fears like every few moments with staggering ease, and started thinking up solutions to everything in my life that's bothering me almost automatically. My life has definitely changed, and it was those four steps that did the trick. Thanks Athene and crew for doing your part, it's time for me to do mine. Good luck guys." Source

"Watched Athene's video on the four steps. Googled how to find my core value. Identified my core value to be "perfection". Reasoned that striving for perfection stops me from achieving perfection since it doesn't allow me to look at my faults and errors. Next day I noticed while driving that my identity is missing (specifically I noticed I was able to think about things that elicit a fear response without terminating the thought or looking away). That's when I clicked. Also noticed a few profound moments scattered throughout the day of catharsis and other pleasant emotions. Fear has lost it's hold on my actions. My need to share this information quickly followed. Then I wrote this. Also, keep it up guys!" Source

Name: shinymew2000

Age: 16

Country: Canada

PreClick Core Value: Comfort

PreClick Believes/Troubles:

"I am 16 years old and from Canada, and yesterday I clicked.I had already grown quite a bit in terms of understanding from listening to real talk and working on it for the past year. However the main reason I hadn't clicked was because I saw logic as something external. I loved logic but I didn't experience it as a part of me. So when I was rewatching the latest video to try and find something that would help me I "locked on" to Athene saying logic is your creator. So then I tried to talk to the emotional part of myself and kept thinking things like "Logic is everything" "I am only logic" and made my emotions as comfortable with logic as I am with things like comfort.For the next 30 minutes or so I watched the video on repeat and kept making myself feel comfortable with logic and understand how much comfort was impacting me negatively. I thought about how comfort had made me depressed and how logic got me out of it. I thought about how throughout my life there was never a time where comfort would been better than logic as my core value. I thought about how even today the only thing having comfort as my core value was doing was creating unnecessary dissonance.Then I clicked, I started shaking/rolling around in my chair and felt amazing. Honestly it wasn't an unimaginable feeling but it was definitely the best feeling I've ever had. I no longer had anything to worry about and everything just came naturally." Source

Name: bonbom1

Age: 20

Country: Finland

PreClick Core Value:

PreClick Believes/Troubles:

"I am 20 years old and from Finland, I believe I have clicked. I'm not comfortable stating that I have clicked with certainty because I fear it will create an emotional attachment to the idea. I can say it is likely that I have gone trough a paradigm shift based on what others have said and a faint idea of what religious people go trough when finding god. During the past two years I have used a lot of drugs. During the experience I was trying to compare it to my previous experiences on drugs and what reminded me of it was extremely positive realizations on psychedelics, but it lasted hours before calming down.

I didin't understand logic beyond a cold faint idea that explained my rational actions. When Athene showed the stream a video about fractals at first I didin't see them as anything beyond a useful idea (The next part is where I believe many people start seeing this thing as religious spiritual brainwashed cult bullshit, but try to understand that this is an extremely personal, emotional and illogical part of you that you are trying to convince). What worked for me to saw logic in a different way was that I didin't understand what beuty was, if something should be beautiful it should be something logical like fractals. I followed this by thinking about my problems and childhood events that might have shaped my core value and suddenly as I had my eyes closed I started seeing all the blackness fade away replaced by a bright light and around the corners I saw colorful patterns emerge followed by an intense like orgasmic pleasure and shaking. I understand why this sounds stupid to people, it sounds something a religious person would say to convince you but understand that it is an emotional response.

I was depressed after my friends suicide. I had blocked all emotions and it had made me fear everything that didin't give me comfort. I couldn't go to school or go comfortably outside or to public places. This doesn't magically fix all your problems, but it opens you a door to be able to logically fix your problems." Source

Name: srfnz (unclicked again)

Age: 20

Country: Finland

PreClick Core Value: Comfort

PreClick Believes/Troubles:

"im 22 years old guy from ukraine. my english is broken and im not gonna waste a lot of time on errors, it's hard for me to identify them. it's gonna be messy.

I clicked 3 days ago when all this logic hysteria started. The process of transformation was almost regular. I deeply thought about my core value (its comfort) and spotted how it evolved through my entire life. I had a good dissonance in 15 minutes. The only problem was with grasping the "beauty of logic". I was very non-logical person and couldn't even critically think last year. Im simply patched my core value with all athenes realtalks (admiting of that actualy did a lot of dissonance for me so its helpful for athene's old-timers). So the only warm feeling that i could relate with logic was the conclusion that logic helped me to be TRULY comfortable with my flawed core. I gained more validation by using logic, less social anxiety, more success overall (i had these moments in my life by using it). So this ez train of thoughts fucked up me later. When I cliked i had a bit of relief and SO MUCH dissonance. I started to search logic in everything. I couldn't sleep until morning. That was pretty painful. Sometimes i thought that i changed my flawed core to another flawed comfort bs. The reason for all that was my small understanding of logic. I had it emotionally but not fully rationaly. I had it as a core value and couldn't find it in a lot of things. Last two days i read all of my notes from RT, thinked about logic and tried to understand it as much as i can. With click im finaly can reflect on things that Athene said and truly understand them. I have i big relief with every logical solution i came up. Finaly my mind almost cleared.

I wanna give u an advice. Try to grasp concept of logic as good as u can before changing the cores. Or it will cause a big wave of dissonance after. There are still few nuances but it is all what I can tell due to the language barrier." Source

Name: Nutzee420

Age: 20

Country: Finland

PreClick Core Value: Validation

PreClick Believes/Troubles:

"I'm one of lukers in Athene's chat, I would follow podcasts and change my habits thanks to them. I started working out, eating healthy(recently going vegetarian). But after Tim's appearance on stream I felt like I'm lacking something. I would always reason that my actions are logical, but I've never felt euphoria or weird excitement inside of me. So I after todays stream I started thinking about my core value again... So I'm lying in my bed and thinking about it:

• I would always waste my time on games so my core value is playing games / comfort.

But after few minutes I started thinking:

• Well maybe I clicked in the past thanks to podcasts and I will not feel any euphoria. And then I thought really weird thing: !!!!! - Next stream I will tell Athene I clicked and right after it I watched Theory of everything 2 times(which would be straight up lie) !!!!!!

And I suddenly clicked, I understood that my core value wasn't comfort but validation seeking, I started laughing in the bed, I was trembling with excitement, I automatically connected this mind set with negative feelings, and truly understood how logical it is that I did soo. Now excuse me cuz I can't sleep so Imma watach some Theory of everything cuz I feel like in need of answers and last time I watched it was more of intellectual fap than truly absorbing logic of it.

Name: kamiz-

Age: 20

Country: Poland

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"Day 1 - The click day

I did my usual stuff which was browsing Youtube and playing WoW, but at the time I was experiencing quite large dissonance. I knew I need to change my life but I felt I need some kind of impulse to do it. I started watching the stream. A thought pop up - logic gives me safety and comfort, I don't need anything else anymore. I realised that my believe system may be flaw because I looked at it as a absolute truth, and I would collapse if it turned out to be false (looking at my believe system in probabilities couldn't give me comfort). It was really emotional. I experienced a dopamine rush; it was the best feeling ever, much better than marijuana. I'm not sure if this is accurate: I transfered the positive emotion from my believe system to logic. From this moment I had desire to make sense all the time, and I did it. I instantly gave up all my emotional attachements - listening to music seemed like a waste of time, I lost the urge to create my own game. I wanted to spread it so I whispered people on Twitch that could be potential "clickers". After the stream I started thinking if I really clicked or not; I didn't figure it out. It was late so I went to sleep; falling asleep was hard.

Day 2 - Realisation

I created a to-do list and started doing things from it. Almost whole day I did the most rational thing to do - mostly working, 0 games/entertainment, when I was tired I did something that stimulated me. I felt great all day even if I was exhausted after work because of dopamine. I experienced a small dissonance if I did something irrational, but I didn't bash myself about it and moved on. I found out that watching the stream is stimulating, so I did that. During the stream I came to conclusion that I truly clicked and logic is my core value on a emotional level. Again I had a trouble falling asleep.

Day 3 - Moving forward

Again I made sense all day and felt great. Even better than yesterday because I no longer had the doubts if I clicked. I couldn't believe how my life has changed since the click, it felt (and still feels) like a dream. Around 8pm I went to gamingforgood.net/s/athenelive. The stream was offline but I joined the chat, trying to help someone while waiting for Athene. After he went online I listened to the stream and kept talking with people. Athene wanted to have call with me but I rejected it. This caused insane dissonance - I had always had strong shyness/social anxiety and I feared that it can stop me from making sense. On the other hand I wasn't sure if talking to Athene was the right thing to do, because I wasn't prepared for it (I didn't know what to say), but maybe that was just a backwards realisation. It was late so I went to sleep, without issues this time (low dopamine level).

Day 4 - Extreme dissonance

As I woke up the dissonance from yesterday came back. I started reading "Real Answers"; the dissonance increased because I wasn't doing the right thing. I got to the point where I couldn't focus and even had a hard time breathing. I was so stressed only once in my life before, it was almost paralyzing. I realised that the only fix was to start making sense again. The dissonance ended as I accepted that calling Athene and coming over is the right thing (the most rational thing). I couldn't imagine losing logic so I had to do it. I started writing this text. I took some breaks from it and I spent quite some time on the subreddit, reading and answering. I realised that finishing this text is more important so I did that. I don't have any dissonance from no making sense before because it makes sense to focus on the now rather than on the past. My next steps is to get financially independent and apply, and before that having a call on the stream with Athene. I didn't have the time to be on the stream today. Possible that I won't have the time in the next 3 days because of stuff that isn't really dependent on me. I still don't know if my core value was safety or comfort, but it doesn't really bother me - it's gone." Source

Name: dokza

Age: 23

Country: Sweden

PreClick Core Value: Comfort

PreClick Believes/Troubles: procrastinating

"I am 23 years old and from Sweden. So i went through all of my life in my head searching for signs of my core value. Here's my life basically: All of my childhood i went through school without really knowing why, i always procrastinated homework and never really knew why i had to learn all these things. Outside of school i always escaped reality by gaming on the PC. When i entered to the Gymnasium i had a real hard time deciding what i should be doing with my life so i just chose what fit my persona the best. I chose to educate myself to a carpenter because i did not want to sit and not move my body anymore since my body told me i did not feel good about it. After school i started working as a carpenter right away Since i was told i had to work in life and earn money. Even now i did not know what i wanted to do with my life. But it was around 1 year after i started working that i was kinda forced into training my body at the gym since my body was in bad shape after all this sitting and gaming. Through all of my school time i have had problems with stomach pain and cramps in my muscles and now i forced my self to start training to get rid of this problem. I now started training a lot outside of work and started to feel better in my body. I had now lost my work as a carpenter and decided to follow my newfound passion for training and health to educate my self to a personal trainer and grow into a stronger version of my self. After my education i found a work as personal trainer pretty fast and decided that i now wanted to learn as much as possible about training etc. I wanted to read and learn a lot but i never did... i just procrastinated and never really felt like reading up and learning stuff even if i wanted it! And as result i have been on and off depressed for a year until about 1 month ago. I had now found Athene's stream and found it really interesting! I started listening to his podcast almost every day and tried to catch time to visit the stream. As a result i patched up my life some and realised why i was doing what i was.

So this Tuesday i watched Athene's stream and got really excited with how many people it was that actually clicked. After the stream i went to bed and woke up next day (yesterday, Wednesday) and started meditation on my life. And it is so clear to me that my subconscious core value is comfort since it knows it does not have to do anything in order to live on so to say, i don't really know how to explain it better.

About now i knew that my core value is comfort and decided to change it since comfort only bring me depression by not being able to do what i really want. I looked at what i was doing and what i had to do in order for it to be logical and realised that it was not logical at all to be working as a personal trainer and grow into a stronger version of my self, because its my ego that want all this. I really had a hard time letting go of this at first and i really had to talk with my inner child and say it was okay and make it feel good about logic and that logic is something warm and beautiful. So i accepted that it was much more logical to apply to Athene and work with changing the world than my ego growing as a personal trainer, i realise that working as a personal trainer brings very little to the world. When i actually took this leap of faith i really got a fuzzy feeling in my stomach/chest and got really excited when i realised what i had done. After this i also got really stressed out, anxious and restless and i still got this feeling. It is actually hard to breath something tight in my chest and have now felt this for 1 and a half day. I have a hard time really knowing what it is that is causing it but i think its because i don't really work on something that with a good cause yet, like spreading this knowledge.... I really feel like making logic out of everything though, i have been super aware all this time trying to make logic of what i do! I will now apply to Athene and as soon as i know that i have been accepted i will quit my work asap and travel to Athene's place pronto!" Source

Name: Fejuto

Age: 27

Country: Netherlands

PreClick Core Value: Comfort

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"My life story

Between the age of 8 and 14 I had it relatively tough socially. At school I wasn't really part of any social circle, and was mildly bullied. As a result my self esteem became pretty low. At age 14 this had a consequence. I deciced I was going to prove to myself that I'm better than everybody else. I started focussing a lot on my school work and got into the best university. At university, I followed two specializations while you were only required to follow one. After university I took a job in the games industry, which I idolized as one of the hardest (and interesting) places to be in. And now I am an one man studio, working towards creating games all by myself. My comfort bubble became close to perfect. I had enough money, friends, success, and work I enjoyed.

How I was able to make the click

Observing that with the latest insights people started clicking, clicking no longer seemed unachievable. I didn't experience disonance however, and I didn't know what my core value was. So getting things started was pretty hard and took a while.

The main advice that took me to the gold was to seek up the dissonance. I knew that spending my effort on my work instead of saving children lives isn't logical. So that's where I started pushing. I would push until I felt dissonance about it. Because I knew I should be feeling dissonance about it. After 2 days of intermittent meditating I succeeded. I was now emotionally invested. From there things went rather quick. I realised I was emotionally attached to my work. Questioned why that was, and traced it back all the way to my childhood. I compared my actions against the actions that would be logical. From that mindset I was able to perceive logic as a warm good thing, and my brain took the jump. I felt my body take a gasp of air. My eyes widened. My heart started pounding. The world no longer seemed the same. The following 10 minutes I was walking circles through my living room thinking of all the implications while profoundly feeling excitement. Started deciding on actions. And am now writing this post for others to learn from.

It is only a hour post click. Still excited, though the excitement will probably wear off. The click however feels permanent. Going back simply isn't logical." Source

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"I've been thinking about this logic as a core value for about 4 days straight now, non-stop ive been trying to make it my core value and i think I've finally done and the feeling is amazing. The way i did it was by doing pretty much what athene said. However, it took me a lot longer to actually do

1) I was really honest to my self about my core value and why i had it, and really going deep into my childhood to see the reasons i had that core value. If there are any important moments in your life that you think shaped you, ask why they did and in what way. Another good way is by thinking what you do through out your day and why.

2) Compare the core value of logic to the one you have, why one would be better than the other. At this point you should experience dissonance because you are going against your Core but that is good. after this you can also compare it with something that happened in your life (e.g getting dumped) and if you would feel better with logic which you would.

3) After this i just repeated these steps constantly in combat with my core value and why logic would be better. There wasn't any concrete thing that made me click. However , it helped me to watch cosmos ep 13 like Ricardo said . That might work for some not for others,

When you do manage to actually make logic/making sense your core value(make sure you don't lie to yourself about having it as a core value) you will experience a great amount pleasure as there's a release of dopamine then you will feel a really warm feeling in your chest(that is how it felt for me). You might also question if you really did adopt logic, You will not want that feeling to go away and it shouldn't ,you will want to spread it.

I hope this helps people. It might take some time but trust just keep going, figure out and question your core even if it doesn't work the first time just keep going. When i was questioning my core and trying to replace it i was doing it pretty much everywhere. When taking a shower, while walking to school, in School, at home, when trying to sleep. So it might take time but it is worth it" Source

Name:KingDr

Age: 18

Country: Austria

Preclick Core Value: Comfort (and a little bit of validation seeking)

PreClick Believes/Troubles: Laziness, lying to other people to show "that im good at something"

So basically i have made the click on the 15th october when tim was talking how he made the click, actually while he was talking it happened and i felt really alot of warmth in my stomach and in my chest.

So the way I was able to make the click was like this: I listened to the realtalk on the 14th october when reese and athene were talking about adopting logic as a god! and I could really resonate with that. Since i grew up in a religious household and I (even though it was irrational) always had the thought that there might be a "higher power" that controls everything. At that moment i realised that there actually is a higher power! and its logic and as long as i follow it i will not get let down by it and my life will improve for sure! That was my rational part thinking that btw.

So i looked at my core value which was comfort and validation seeking and really tried to look at the flaws of them like for example: Im just sitting here watching YT videos and having "Fun" while there are people dying and i could help them! and i put myself in the situation like what if i was the guy dying and some dude who could help me doesnt help me because he is too lazy! Also at 1 point i would have to get out of this doing nothing mode anyways, like when my parents kick me out or something... But for some reason (even though i was feeling alot of dissonance) i couldnt make the click that night, but only when Tim talked about his expirence the next day. I think it was since i felt really connected to Tim and i saw how his life was improved by adopting logic as a core value that my emotional part also really wanted it

Since then my life has improved drasticly. I never rarely feel anxiety and if i ever do i know its only because I dont have all the knowledge about it. I got alot more confident and I do the most logical things just naturally like help other people, study for school, help out my parents in the house stuff like that.

Name: lesterhuis

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"It's 5.45 AM right now. Im playing the latest real talk on twitch TV on te background while typing. Paradigm is shifted and to overwhelming to go to sleep. All this clarity, al this energy. The most logical thing to do is to show the people that its working right now. It's litterly the best thing i can do right now.

I grew up in an dysfunctional family and therefore with a lot of fear. I created an ID to distract my true self so i would not be confronted with my flaws. I had comfort/safety as a core value because of this flawed worldview.

This old ID existed out of acting tough and creating an self that was not in line with reality. At the beginning it worked. But reality wil always come and get u. So everytime i got confronted with reality, i tried to flee from what i truly am by manipulating the mind. By creating situations that would create dopamine (drugs, alcohol), adrenaline (Fights, attention seeking) i tried to flee from my true self and hold this fake ID. This eventualy lead to me laying in a hospital bed 2 times for using drugs that created panic attacks. And 1 time for being in a fight where someone pulled an knife and stuck it in an main artery. I almost lost my life because of this. You would think this would make me stronger and live life on a good way again.

But, because of the low selfesteem on a fundamental level, i was still scated. Actually a weak organism with a flawed way of thinking, and because of that i always experienced alot of dissonance. I was so misguided, that i thought i needed the validation of other people. While the only one that could provide me what i needed, was the true self.

So i needed answers.. I read alot of books for information, but nothing concrete enough to apply. Nothing that my mind could really grasp. I checked psychology books, spiritual books, like Eckhart Tholle's in the Now. It got me close, but i never got far because i missed crucial information about how to overcome this crisis. Until this week.

This one person, the first chain of this neurologic revolution, Bachir Boumaaza, Also known as Athene, gave me the most concrete usefull information ever. SWITCH YOUR CORE VALUE IN TO LOGIC.

By learning that i am the reason why purpose exists. And that everything around me, the whole universe, is a projection of what my brains think it is, i know the '' external'' and '' internal'' are linked. We are one. And i need to care for it. I am the Universe and i shall take care of it. And be the best i can be. Al by applying this one true UNIVERSAL LAW, called LOGIC.

It's like there are still things to do. Things that i would use to call problems, because i didn't know i could solve them, but know i just see as things i need to do and act up on.

I know now, that the thing i saw as '' my story '', is just an memory muscle that i can use to solve things RIGHT NOW. Nothing more. Thinking in an diachronic timeline is false when you identify with it.

This whole ID was an survival mechanism. One that evolution tried and now it came to the conclusion that it does not work. At the beginning it's uncomfortable, but you will have full clarity. It's so exciting but scary at the same time at first. Al of the people around you, just look lost. Everytime i bring reality up as it is, they experience cognitive dissonance. We live in an scared society and people are being controlled. I was selfish and lost in greed. Eating for the kick, instead of eating to grow. I did'nt care for other people, because i didn't care for myself. I see it al now. Al my mistakes. Al my flaws.

I still got some things to do. Things i ignored for to long. But with this information and neuroplasticity. I know. I can achieve anything. And i will. I will make a difference.With like minded people. And live a valuable life. I am saved. And i want you guys to know that you will be to. Soon. If u accept it or not. Reality will come for u guys. And to be honest. Its not even that scary. Its lovely." Source

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Makingsense/comments/587u65/visions_drive/

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"I understood and respected the validity in information that is the real talk pod casts. Unraveling certain concepts, questioning, and applying them greatly increased the quality of my life. Just like everyone else, I valued logic but had absolutely no emotional attachment. I would force myself to participate in anything activist related. Although, I always knew that If given the option and truly did what I wanted to do, I would stay home. I was aware of this for quite some time, but thought it was something unchangeable. I would relate it to how Athene says he's lazy but experiences choice-less awareness. Hearing that, I assumed choice-less awareness was something that could be learned and refined through discipline and sheer will power.

Water fasting for three days and meditation were key in my experience. Still, i believe meditation will be the vessel for most to make the click. Luckily, I was already strongly connected emotionally, because as odd as it sounds, I was fortunate enough to experience war. Nevertheless, you don't need experience in order to value information emotionally, it simply sped things up in my experience.

Step 1: My experience was mostly visual. Picturing everything that I ever held dear and understanding on a deeper level how it always came back to logic. Ranging from my parents warmth to the air I breathe. Even digging up past relationships that ended badly and being ultimately grateful to logic that I was ever able to have those experiences. Telling myself that it was going to be "ok" was something that resonated strongly with me. Trust for me was pivotal.

Step 3: Already understanding how unhealthy and illogical my current value was I went directly to the image of the child holding the teddy bear. Looking closer I imagined the child to appear sickly. His hair was falling out and had overgrown nails. His body was weak and covered in sores from being stagnant for so long. I imagined the teddy bear as a dead animal that the child had smothered. I asked myself how I could have allowed it to get to this point. I felt shame and disgust. Thinking about all the times in my life I chose comfort over taking initiative. My inaction was causing suffering. I was the problem.

Step 4: The gears turned. I was fully aware that I was experiencing something cathartic. When I opened my eyes I could almost see through objects and visualize the internals, cell by cell. I had a new found appreciation for everything and a strong sense of curiosity. I wanted to understand everything. I told my siblings about the experience and peaked their interest. My younger sister has since clicked 2 days ago.

Having experienced this paradigm shift I finally understand what choice-less awareness is. It comes automatic and gives me even more reassurance in logic." source

Name:  nephius

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" Hello, everyone. The purpose of this post is to help people click and to serve as proof that this 4-step method actually works. I had previously placebo clicked - experienced uplifting feelings and emotions, but after a couple of hours this feeling just vanished so I knew something was wrong and that I had to do additional reflecting and meditating, but I've clicked 2 days ago for real. I am going to walk you through my experience how I remember it.

Step 1: Develop an unconditional trust in logic I've been following Athenes Real talks for a long while, reflecting on each topic he speaks about. Much like Reese trusts Athene, you can say that I trust Athene as well, so even if some things that he said confused me, I knew that I would understand it with enough time. After much thought I started adopting things mentioned in the real talk, because I could see the benefit in them. Since all of these insights stem from logic I established a real appreciation for it.

Step 2: Find what emotionally drives you This part was not too difficult for me. It took only an hour or so of meditating to know truly what drove me emotionally - it was comfort. After this realization a lot of stuff suddenly made a lot of sense. Questions like "Why I am doing something even though my rational part says to do otherwise" finally had answers.

Step 3: Realize that your current core value doesn't provide as much safety as logic This was the most difficult part for me, since I was following the insights from the real talks, what I was doing was patching holes of my core value, which made it more difficult to identify the bad things about having comfort as the core value. One day I was at a friends house and we were smoking marijuana. I felt great for the time being, but once I started walking back home I experienced a lot of dissonance. I felt like this was the perfect opportunity to click, since I was in an elevated emotional state and could evoke emotions more easily. During my walk I realized that I did not actually want to be in this state, but rather that my environment was pushing me to do this. This caused a tremendous amount of negative emotions. Once I got home I continued this procedure, but I also thought it would be good if I could push away comfort and invite logic instead. So I put Cosmos to play in the background during this process. After a couple of minutes this happened - I felt an enormous rush of dopamine, if I had to put this feeling into words then it would be - feeling of invincibility, omnipotence. But this is only a side effect. The main effects were as follows: clarity of thought, tremendous relief, because suddenly all my personal problems had solutions, no duality - true symbiosis between emotions and reason. I was never so happy in my entire life, I almost cried tears of joy, due to this rush of emotions. While I was still trying to understand what happened, I realized that I had put Cosmos to play in the background and when I put my focus on that I experienced another rush of emotions - my appreciation for logic grew 10x as much. After all of this, I felt that my brain was in a volatile state - a feeling or fear that you could pop back into your previous core value. I really did not want that to happen then I remembered step 4.

Step 4: Keep making logical decisions to strengthen your trust in logic Since I realized on an emotional level that this core value is so much better that my previous one, I had to establish a strong level of trust for logic. At that time the most logical thing for me was to power my brain with as much blood circulation as possible, so I started stretching, jumping, exercising. After this I remembered that cold showers helped me be more clear headed, but before taking a cold shower I wrote my thoughts in a notepad, so that If I would un-click I would have something to work with. But thankfully I did not un-click.

Summary To tell you the truth, I feel reborn, I feel like my eyes have been finally opened, because I want to understand not only the things that make me comfortable, but everything that I find important. And I do it not because I only understand it rationally, but because this is what drives me now. Logic is my core value now." Source

Name:  creetlol

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"I clicked three days ago, but because it happened while I was talking to a friend and I did not really follow the 4 steps, I think my exact story would not be very useful. So I will just formulate of how I clicked in a general advise, maybe it works for someone else, because I also know of a different clicker, who clicked while doing a similar thing. As I think this method only works for few people in special situations, it really only applies to people, who are already trying to click for quite some time and tried many things that did not work for them:

Talk to a person close to you (friend) and try to explain to him this “click thing”. Maybe choose someone you know will not think you crazy afterwards. Try to be as convincing as possible, even if you are still skeptical yourself. Use a structure so that it makes it more easy to understand for an outsider. If you are already trying to make the click, you are probably pretty excited about the idea of “clicking” and the implications it could have on your life and for the world in general. Try to use those emotions and build up on the hype. Btw it does not matter, if you actually can make that person understand what you are trying to say, because I know I couldn't and I still clicked." Source

Name:  mandogepig

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"Before I clicked, I used to be a huge validation seeker. This was caused because I couldn't fit in with other people as a kid. When I entered high school, I also experienced feelings of lower worth and so I found a friend with whom we were constantly validating each other, thinking we were smarter, better than the rest and so on. Later, I linked my validation with building an identity around being good with girls and being a self development guru / being able to help other people feel better about themselves. I also built a strong rational framework to protect my weak core.

Before today, I tried hard to make myself click using pure rationality, that didn't work, because I had a strong framework of backwards rationalizations and a lot of my previous bullshit fixed by listening to real talks. I also had trouble experiencing emotions because over the years, my core discarded most of my negative emotions to protect itself.

Today Staz had a talk on the stream about how he tried to view himself as the small child he used to be and talk to that child to activate the emotions associated with it's core value, so I decided to try it during a meditation.

I started meditating and then I tried to project myself fully into the kid that had problems with it's peers, with other people, that felt worthless and I tried to feel that kid's emotions as openly as possible. After a few minutes I started experiencing a lot of anxiety, fear and sadness. I started connecting these bad emotions to the core values I had and after some more time I started experiencing anger towards these values. After that I started comparing logic, the love of the universe and the entire reality with the previous values and how "we" had the logical core value the entire time in front of us, loving "us" at every moment.

After a few seconds, I started experiencing extreme clarity, resonance and joy, I started crying of happiness, which I haven't done in possibly the previous 10 years. I also started:

• Experiencing clarity
• Shaking
• Enjoying just being in it's simplest form
• Feeling other people is 10 times simpler and people overall seems simpler to understand
• The reality seems extremely beautiful
• Deleted the one last game I played
• Resonance and Anxiety disappeared
• Getting girls for validation seems bullshit
• Working out for validation seems bullshit
• Entertainment seems a waste of time
• I'm constantly in the now
• There is also a slight fear that this might be a placebo click or that I might loose it" Source

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"Hey guys so this is my story of how Ive clicked (Im still shaking ) : I went to sleep after 5 days of blind wandering about how to click, I was looking for validation and trying to click ASAP so that I would fill my validation, my core values had something to do with perfection>validation>low self esteem and then one day on stream Ive heard this advice from both Athene and the Admin, talking about this inner child holding onto something. I realized that I cant think inside my brain all the time because all of those thoughts came from the rational, I realized that I HAVE to fight this emotionally and Ive literally IMAGINED the inner child I had in myself when I went to sleep, I was in the present at that time and focused only on this child holding onto low self esteem sending those orders to my validation and perfection to do what it wants them to do so that it feels good about itself. Suddenly, POOF, it was not exactly like a nuclear boom but it was like a shockwave as if Ive been cleared of all the pointless thoughts, literal enlightenment or something in those lines. I immediately stood up AUTOMATICALLY without asking myself and having inner brain noise, I decided that the most logical thing to do now is to tell someone, so I messaged people on Discord and since no1 was responding by a minute or so ( I was checking the curriculum meanwhile to save time ) I decided to go outside because I felt like it was the most logical at that time ( increasing my blood flow). It was 2:20 am and I just went around the streets and looked at the beautiful trees, saw the beautiful fractiles in them and it was just a pleasure to watch, I didnt even think about going slow and my body automatically moved forward really fast. Before going out, back then, I would have still went infront of the mirror and tried to look as pretty as possible or whatever, and Im pretty sure I wouldve doubted going out at 2:20 am so randomly + I wouldve been insecure outside. I felt happy and with no real fear and so I came back in 20 minutes or so as I realized it was more logical to go read the Curriculum and go find out about my health so that my walking is more efficient and so on. Ive talked to a clicker on discord and so now Im here writing, Im not sure what Ill think is the most logical for me to do in the near future but Im almost certain Ill go learn a shitload right now to fill in the gaps and love logic even more, I may peek out here and check on the comments you guys post, if anyone from the crew is reading this just contact Alesh on Discord.

EDIT 1: Whenever I did something very illogical, got into pointless thoughts, I acknowledged it really really fast and it created super dissonance inside my brain, it was like how mice react to high frequencies lol , I immediately boomed and cleared all my thoughts again, and again and again. ( This happened when I was trying to fall asleep )

EDIT 2: I was super super shaking and I couldnt stop after the click for some time" Source

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"3 days ago I was thinking what makes me emotional I figured out a really sad documentary might be good. So I finish watching the documentary and start thinking that if it's not for logic the kids are going to stay homeless and that comfort is the one that let it happen after that I close my eyes. At beginning I'm trying to think about the docu, the emotions, but it's all black I could not use my mind ,but then I suddenly see myself hugging the kid from documentary. I opened my eyes felt little dizzy. Since it was late I went to sleep, but for ~30 min I could physically feel strong activity going on in the brain that didn't let me sleep during it. Day after I immediately took care of my shit in the room, washed all the stacked plates lul, ate some breakfast and started working on the pc for 1st time there was literally no duality I couldn't give less fucks about the tv series and films I would usually watch. I started going to gym as well. It has changed my daily activities insanely. One thing that does sometimes happen I unconsciously/auto mode open a video or some cancer, but once I realize dafq I'm doing I close immediately, but with little bit of little bit of time it's gonna go away." Source

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"I want to share my experience with how I clicked. I really had trouble with connecting a negative emotion to my former core value (step 3), which inhibited me from adopting logic instead. For those who also have a hard time doing this, this post might be helpful.

Step one: Step one I thought wouldn't be too difficult for me since I have been studying physics for four years now. I knew already, rationally, that logic is what governs the universe. Although this was the case, this wasn't enough. It was only when Stas posted his click story that my appreciation of logic broadend. In his post he explained really well that we are logic understanding itself, we are logic inside logic, which took billions of years to get this far.

Step two: This step was straight foward. I sat down and meditated on what has been driving me in my life. Everything pointed to validation seeking due to low self esteem. It is really a crazy experience when I realized that so many, almost everything, that I did in my life came down to how other people saw me, and how I could get validation from that.

Step three: This was the step where I got stuck for a long time, several days. I knew on a rational level that validation seeking was really inhibiting my growth in life. However, I really had trouble connecting a negative emotion to it. Since thoughout my life, I made decisions that resulted in getting validated, which triggered my rewardcenter (as it was my core value). This is why I couldn't remember memories that could connect a negative emotion to my core value. After quite some time I contacted a clicker on the Discord about the problem I had. He advised me to think of any bad memory that triggered negative emotions and really experience the emotions. Then funnel these negative emotions to your core value you want to replace. This worked for me wonderfully.

During this emotional transition I remembered Stas' post about humans being logic expressing and understanding itself. This is where I made the click, feeling euphoric and experience a rush of dopamine. I was laughing and crying as I looked at things through different eyes.

I immediatly went to the Discord and contacted clickers. I also contacted Athene on Skype to have a call during the livestream to tell my experience.

As for step four, I will spend my time building up a foundation based on logic. I will do research and think a lot. I will also be on the Discord and Wiki to help out others." Source

Name: LaughingMan209

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"The click really only took me a few hours. This is because before the click I was already able to act very rationally in line with my core belief of social validation. By reading books on habit, I had mastered my habits, and by changing some of my beliefs using this website: http://pathwaytohappiness.com/writings_falsebeliefs.htm I had corrected some beliefs that led me to desire procrastination and pleasure.

But I didn't have logic as my core value. Why? Because I felt that with logic as my core value there would be no real reason for me to live, to act, and I'd felt this for a long time, since my childhood. It was the reason for all my other beliefs that I'd adopted to give myself artificial reason to act. Mainly, I could not see the link between the fact that humans are where we are today from evolution, and the action of further evolving. But a simple point on discord resolved this for me. The clicker I spoke to said very simply: "Well you have the choice. Would you want to be like a caveman right now, without evolving? Or as you are now" The answer was clear and I realised something.

Maybe there is a logical reason to act right now, or maybe not, but only by increasing the knowledge of humanity can we move forward and find out and discover more, and expand in every way, in ways that I do not even know about today.

If you had to choose who has the better shot at figuring out what the true best action to take is, would you choose a caveman or a scientist from today's world? Well extrapolate that graph into the future, and you realize that by evolving and gaining knowledge we can know more about the best course of action to take, but simultaneously, it becomes clear that increasing our knowledge and evolving is simply what humankind is and that that's our one purpose (I've tried to stay away from the word purpose because I feel it doesn't truly represent what I'm trying to say and will also be emotionally loaded for anyone who reads it)

We are logic, and we have the amazing ability to comprehend logic, and we are self aware logic. The idea that we can put the abstract rules and logic of our universe into symbols and use this medium to comprehend our universe now blows my mind.

So after all of this realization (and more) I went through the four steps. I'd been prepared for this for a while, so it didn't take long.

But after I took logic as my core value, I felt a sensation, as though I were stretching after a long car ride, and a wild amount of mental clarity.

After this, it no longer takes any effort to do activities that I realize are logical.

I realize my click is different to the clicks of many here. I don't feel a drive to understand everything. Rather, I simply do what makes logical sense to me. Simply to test if I had really clicked, I went on Youtube and watched a video that I had wanted to watch for days before clicking (but had not allowed myself), expecting dissonance. I didn't feel dissonance like many people here would, but at the same time, I felt literally no desire to watch the video, or keep watching it once i'd begun watching it. Perhaps it was because testing whether I had clicked by watching the video was actually logical, if you think about it." Source

Name: ZilleanUltedHarambe

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"I found out about The Click a week ago,after seeing Athene streaming and talking about it. I was skeptical at first because just turning to logic didn't make much sense to me,but the more I actually listened and studied to the idea of logic in nature,the more sense it made. I started thinking a lot about logic,and how it didn't make sense that I would spend 8 hours a day in front of my computer playing games and just doing nothing when in that time I could do so much,I could write,I could think,I could learn.

I understood that my comfort didn't provide me with anything but wasting time,thinking about problems and just not being productive. I started meditating and reflecting on what I was slowly learning,I watched many of the documentaries athene has shown on his stream,but I also started searching for them myself,learning a lot about fractals,math,physics, and logic.

One night I was deeply thinking about logic and it just came to me,my heart started beating very fast and I knew I clicked. I thought a bit more about logic and how this will guide me towards bettering myself and I just stood up,turned on the light and studied math for about an hour even though I am having holidays. After that I went to sleep,I woke up and the first thing I was thinking about was : What's the most logical thing I could do, I did my usual morning routine and went into the kitchen to get a drink,but I also started lighting up my cigarette and I just felt so bad after the first smoke I just threw it away. I spent a few minutes just thinking how it's not logical to smoke,it was not bettering me and I did it just so I could feel cool.

Today I studied science and math without having to force myself to do so,I did it just for the sake of learning and it felt so good. Everything was so much easier because I was using logic to think about it. Right now I want to share this idea with all the people I can,if anybody has any questions about my click please ask them,if people turn to logic the world will definitely change." Source

Name: MetaTheMeta

Age: 20

Country: Germany

PreClick Core Value: comfort

PreClick Believes/Troubles: anxiety

"I think I just experienced the "click moment".

I listened to Tim on the stream yesterday and really wanted to have that click too, because it was not just Athene (who I thought was special) who made the click. I said to myself that I would try it the next day. In the morning I had a feeling of excitement in my stomach and tried it out. I got to my core and saw that all my actions came from comfort and ultimately a lack of safety. Then I tried to replace that with logic. It didn´t work, but I felt excited almost the whole day. When Athene then was talking about it on stream I felt even more excited and while he was praising logic and all the time saying how you can trust it, I felt like getting really close to it and at one moment even getting overwhelmed by the feeling of having logic as a core value, so I instinctively blocked it. Then after Riccardo´s talk, who gave a lot of tips, I followed all the steps he did. I lied in my bed and began: Basically finding my core value/drive, which I already did in the morning. After that I created a lot of dissonance which was hard at first, but after a few minutes I really saw how pathetic my life was :D. Then I immediately filled the dissonance with the feeling of logic. I picked a few examples where I really get emotional and then tried to imagine how logic would solve them. I had to force it at the start and I really started to feel like... really amazing. After a certain point I didn´t had to force it and it was just flowing. The dopamine overflow I was experiencing came to an end and I started to feel more normal but with a great feeling in my chest and stomach.

This was one hour ago and every time I think about logic/"making sense" I get a really great feeling. Besides that I really don´t want to lose that feeling, because while I am writing this I feel so great. I don´t know what effect it will have on my life yet. I will try to update tomorrow, because I have to sleep now." Source

"How I changed from being anxious about almost everything to being confident and in the present all the time overnight

Hi I'm 20 years old from Germany and just joined the crew. I managed to click a few weeks ago. My life before the click was usually me sitting in my room procrastinating and watching videos. I didn't saw much meaning in my life, so my drive to do stuff was mainly dictated by the amount of motivational videos I watched at that time. My room was my comfort bubble where I could feel safe and don't have to worry about anything. Doing the four steps this completely changed.

First Step: Trusting in Logic The first step for me was already done by listening to the realtalks over the years. I developed a good understanding about what logic can actually do and how it could change my life. What I mainly did was, connecting good emotions to logic. For example, the feeling of achieving anything I want, I connected that to logic. This in combination with the trust that everything makes sense, completed step one for me.

Second Step: Finding out the core value The second step was a bit harder to do. I had to figure out what really drives me on an emotional level. In order to do so I had to look at events in my past and ask myself why I did what I did. I basically found out that my core value was fitting in, which then changed over time to comfort. I could see that comfort was my core value, because I was mainly sitting in my room and watching series. I also only could really feel safe in my room.

Third Step: Changing the core value to logic The third step took only about half an hour and began in my room by trying to create dissonance. I picked up events in my past where I screwed up or was really ashamed of myself and confronted myself constantly with them. When I created a lot of dissonance, I tried to switch to logic. I imagined that logic would be my savior and really focused on the emotion I had connected to logic. I repeated the sentence “Everything makes sense” over and over again, because I had strong emotions connected to it. I did this until I hit the point where these strong emotions would stay. My body was shaking a little bit and strong positive emotions would rush in my body. That's when I switched to logic as my core value.

Fourth Step: Doing logical things This may be interesting for the people who clicked. After the initial hype I did fall a little bit back in my old habits. For example I first wanted to have a talk to Athene on stream, but my brain was still skeptical about my confidence. In the end I didn't call and after the stream was over I felt dissonance like never before. I did an illogical thing by not talking on the stream. I was panicking, sweating and almost wanted to puke, because the dissonance was so bad. After 20 minutes I realized that I could just argue with myself about my dissonance, because it doesn't make sense to feel so much dissonance for such a long period of time. It makes more sense to feel good and do it better next time. You basically just learn from the experience and move on. After that the dissonance was completely gone and I talked on the stream the next day. So whenever you do “illogical” stuff, don't beat yourself up over it and just try to learn from it, so you won't make the same mistake again. What helped me with building trust in logic was to solve problems using logic. If there are things you don't understand, trying to tackle them structured and logically will further strengthen your trust in it. Also seeing logic as a friend who is always there for you may deepen your trust." Source

Name: Mayson1991

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"Hello Everyone,

So I made the click, and will tell you my experience in the most compact way possible. (English isn't my native language btw.)

Even though I always thought I "loved" logic I really didn't. Thinking that I loved logic wasn't that bad though because it acted as a bridge and helped me to stay focused on making the click. (When you make the click you realy understand (& feel) the concept of loving logic on an emotional level, instead of an rational one)

Basicly I tried to find my corevalue because I thought i already loved logic. After Athene pointed out that we have to find our core on an emotional level, i thought about ways to get realy emotional. I know that everyone requires different stimulation to enter an emotional state, and for me it was music (Which is the case for alot of people in my opinion). To be realy honest here, before making the click I didn't know why it made me emotional (I will come back to music a bit later).

To continue, I found my corevalue by going REALY deep, questioning every dicision I made, and came to the conclusion that all my life I was looking for acceptance and validation. I was TOTALLY sure this has to be it. The fact that I wasnt able to grasp the concept of clicking (What happens when you experience a paradigmshift) confused me, it didn't make any sense because I felt the same as before (maybe a bit worse because of dissonance). Only after clicking I understood that the reason for not understanding was my lack of logic and making sense. All these patterns weren't visible for me because i asked myself the wrong questions.

On the same day though, Athene posted a list of dokus to watch to strenghen your love for logic. I knew he postet them before, but i thought I already love logic, which in the end wasn't the case. I realy tricked and limited myself by thinking that. Please people, Step 1 is so important!

So I basicly watched "the hidden dimension" and the one with Math in the title (I don't remeber the name, but will look it up for you if you're interested), and that's where the click happend. from one moment to the other I changed. Everything made sense instantaneously. I could always find patterns in life, but now I know I CAN explain them with logic. this kind of emotionaly understanding and appreciation for all the patterns in nature was like a sensation. The fact that we are moving forward as a species because of logic. Even the question about music, which made me emotionally in the first place was much easier to understand. I could realy break down music bit by bit. Seeing notepatterns, seeing frequenciepatterns and realy seeing it for what it is.

This changed my life man... I see everything from a new point of view. I realy want to find an answer to everything and I KNOW logic will provide it. Every action I do I question now and don't take anything for granted. Everyone who didn't click realy doesn't know what he's missing out on. You realy have to realize that once you clicked, nothing is going to stop you.

I used to smoke and stoped immediately. Actually I had a lot of bad habbits that weren't even able to cause dissonance after clicking because I droped them instantly. Everything that doesn't make any sense gets deleted, gets labeled as bad and vanishes automaticly. All the things you struggle with guys... you have to realize that there is no struggle or difficulty as soon as logic is your corevalue.

The moment you click, you feel so powerful. I wasn't even able to sleep because my brain automaticly worked so hard on overwriting everything that wasn't logical. I realy had to thank Athene this night for showing me the light...

Please guys keep trying to click... It's real and it will definetly change the world as we know it." Source

Name: Martoreal

Age: 24

Country: Switzerland

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"Hey guys, I am pretty sure I clicked and would like to share my experience.

I’m 24 years old from Switzerland. I spent most of my life and free time to play WoW since it came out. I always was very driven by it and was extremely lazy with my lifestyle overall.

I first heard about the click shortly after it became a thing at maybe the 15th of October. I was following Athene from the very beginning, and stayed hooked because of his scientific content and views on life. I was already interested in his “Real Talks” etc., so I already had a big awareness of my flawed lifestyle. I was very sceptical about the click for the first few days of watching the stream, but discarded the ideas of it being a brainwash or scam shortly after they came up.

After I was convinced that the click could be very doable for me as well ( even with low self-esteem )I wrote down my life, including points which seemed relevant for building my emotional core. To reflect on this was pretty easy for me, since I adopted mindful meditation for the past 2years. I found that my core was safety, which later on I could translate further into comfort, which I had to adopt in my early childhood, to survive in a seemingly cruel and dangerous world. I came to realize that my life was negatively influenced by comfort from the very beginning, and that it has highly limited me in life.

Now the problem I had is, that I was already trying to apply logic, on a rational level, for over a year. And my emotional trust in logic was still highly limited. But don’t get me wrong, I appreciated logic and always had the dream of helping others and making sense. I went to sleep shortly after writing down my life, because I heard clickers losing their click over night. I felt like I have to be mentally prepared and sharp in order to click.

On the next day I was trying to convince my inner child for the first time, that what it is holding on to is causing more pain and less safety. It felt like my inner child was still too afraid of logic to hold on to, even though I felt very emotional and in line towards letting go of comfort. (Btw imagining your inner child was an effective and helpful tool for me. I am reading a book about your “shadow child” which seems fairly interesting.)

The next day I got confronted with a lot of dissonance, when I had an unexpected visitor to eat dinner with, the new boyfriend of my sister. I felt a lot of dissonance at that time, went back to my room, sat down, and convinced my self to try again, even if I felt like my trust in logic might not be strong enough. I looked back to situations of my life where I had to trust logic and how I could master every situation logically, even when making mistakes and facing trouble doing so.

Then I imagined again, how my inner child, (which I imagine as my former self when I was very young), hiding in the very corner under a staircase, afraid, holding on to a teddy-bear, which I imagined to be comfort. But at the same time, I was also trying to see my myself from the perspective of my inner child, looking at my present self, reaching out for my inner child, begging the child to cling onto logic and come out of the corner. This made me able to make the switch because it made me the most emotional. This time I felt relief, and a strong desire to start trust logic. Because I didn’t test my trust in logic too much in my daily life, I immediately put on some clothes and went outside, to proof myself that I can overcome fear and comfort and trust logic unconditionally. (It was like 8pm so it was cold and dark outside) I live near a forest at a mountain, so I walked up trough the forest just with a flashlight. I was walking for over 1hour, ending up at an open area in the woods, where I could look down to the next city when I randomly started laughing and smirking, which I could not understand at this very moment. I had a good feeling about having trust in logic and having made a "leap of faith" as athene calls it. The way down I did not even need to use my flashlight.

This story may sound silly, but It was a powerful practical option I had in this very moment, to experience a strong emotion, which allowed me to unlock my trust in logic.

This seems like an enormous wall of text for me already, I am sorry for that.

But I felt like my clicking process was not obvious nor flawless in any way. Because when I came home I immediately had to puke, because I apparently caught the flu, some day before at work. While recovering, I was worried about my experience fading away, and felt uncertainty cause I could not do anything logical besides recovering as fast as I could. When I was able to go on with my life normally again I was feeling driven, subconsciously, to do the most logical stuff. I could list a lot of things that I did, for example cleaning up my PC from all forms of distractions and useless shit in general which could waste my time.

After realising some days later, that I did such actions without forcing myself to do so I was shocked. The past days when I was feeling sick I adopted the probability this just being a placebo. But when I felt euphoric about having clicked, I immediately started thinking:” Would someone that clicked even bother to find out if he truly clicked? Am I just trying to fit in?” Since I am very honest with myself, I found that answering the 3questions might be a legit thing to do, so I can share and help others.

I didn’t cover the 4 steps well, but I will list just briefly what I experienced:

1. As a farmers son I always had a good connection to nature and appreciated the logic around us that have brought humanity this far. When I was questioning life around us I often got discouraged from doing so. What helped me to refresh and increase my interest and love for logic was watching some documentaries which I found on this subreddit. Including: Nature by Numbers, Fractals - The Hidden Dimension, and the Great Math Mystery.
2. As mentioned, I personally could restrict my core value better with writing down my childhood and young adulthood. Defining what your emotional core is, which drives everything you do in life, is probably the easiest, when you think about your childhood. Meditation helped me a lot to go deeper into clouded and suppressed feelings and stories.
3. Switching my core value was probably the hardest thing for me to do, creating dissonance for my current core value, comfort, was easy, yet making my inner child letting go of it and making it hold to a new one seemed really hard. I was listening to other people that tried and struggled with the same issue. I tried to meditate on this without big results. Even though I consider myself a sensitive guy, I had a hard time feeling warmth and safety in logic. What helped me is trying to get emotionally attached to the concept of logic. I first noticed this when arguing with my mother about the concept of clicking and making sense, I started out just with trying to explain why I felt like it is the most logical thing to do in life. When my mother started to argue about it with her subjective reality, which is conditioned, I noticed that I was getting emotionally invested and somehow felt that logic has become a new part of me.
4. Keeping making sense feels like a drug to me, I started studying, reading a lot on the subreddit regarding this, changed my room to support a more logical approach, looking up recipe to cook healthy, living even healthier (sleeping more than 6-7h+ in my case), started working out again, quitted visiting social media, stopped playing games almost completely (as soon as I find myself playing WoW without the purpose of relaxing and connecting with friends for a bit I instantly feel strong dissonance), taking vitaminD3, and taking more responsibility overall. Everything unwinds itself subconsciously, I just stop myself consciously time to time and ask myself: “Is this the most logical thing I can do right now?” And of course, I still will face some deep rooted neural patterns in my brain which I have to rewire logically. Everything seems new and fresh, and I can reward myself at any given moment by making logical decisions. I do alot more than those things listed, also starting to read Real Answers and so forth.

Sorry for my grammar and writing format. I’m not used to write and never posted on reddit before. I thought sharing might be helpful or stimulating in any way for an individual that wants to click.

Kind of off-topic: Athene has been a big inspiration for me personally. And I'm really thankful for the privilege to have witnessed him doing his greatest work and he indeed changed my life for the better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_MlSfxUddc this vid reminded me of it." source

Name: IGMatt

Age: 19

Country: Canada

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"Hey guys, I'm pretty sure I just clicked and thought I should share it with you guys hopefully it will help.

A little bit about myself to start. So I'm 19 and from Canada, currently living in the United States however. I have quite a bit of social anxiety, and did not really live very healthy. I mostly found myself in my room most days, either playing video games or just watching dumb videos. I did not eat very healthy at all either, eating pizza and other crappy foods quite often, although I do work out regularly.

I've followed Athene for a while, but I was kind of skeptical about this click stuff, especially when he mentioned the 4 steps, it originally sounded a lot like another typical self help guide. After seeing people actually get this stuff, I said hey you know what, this seems to be getting some people results so might as well try it.

I've been trying to do this for the last four days or so, and I was really struggling with it on a lot of levels. I'll go through my process in order, even though I did a lot of back and forth between some of the steps.

Step One: Love Logic It turns out I really underestimated this step. This is super important guys, so don't leave this out. At first, I started by watching a few videos found here to really help build my love for logic. I watched Nature by Numbers, Fractals - The Hidden Dimension, and the Great Math Mystery. These were the ones that really resonated and I thought did a lot for me, the other ones didn't do so much, but I recommend going through all of them because they will have different effects on different people. I watched these basically in my first couple of days, and scratched this number off my list because I really thought I had the full appreciation that I actually needed.

Step Two: Find Core Value This one was pretty easy for me, but I analyzed all my behaviors anyways to find out the truth. I figured out that on a fundamental level I really valued comfort, but also had a lot of validation seeking behaviors and the need for safety a lot of times. What I learned from watching some of Athene's calls with clickers, is that you should really focus on what the most dominant core value is in your life on a fundamental level. I noticed that for me, my validation and safety behaviors could really boil down to the need for comfort in general, so it's best to keep that in mind.

Step Three: Dissonance and Switch This one really gave me the most trouble, as I think it does for pretty much everybody. This took me several days to really get in contact with my emotions on a core level. Over the last few days, I've been thinking really hard about how this core value is really hurting my life, and I needed to change it. I read up on a lot of the other click stories, and found from reading about them that the rational approach doesn't work. I really didn't do much with the rational approach and tried to do it on a purely emotional level. In my day to day life, I really don't experience much dissonance, and I have been really lucky with my life so it was really hard to convince my core value that what it's holding onto is really flawed. A couple days ago, I was able to stir up quite some dissonance with my core value with the help of Zillean. I really reflected on this and meditated on how meaningless all my problems were in the grand scheme of things. I mean, there are people literally dying out there, and here I am being worried about what job I will get after college? I mean come on... You really need to put your problems into perspective on the grand scheme of things and really stir up some dissonance with this, it really helped me.

Even though I did all this, and meditated on it, I was not able to make the click. However, I did notice that after this experience I was able to be a lot more aware the next day, a lot more social, and I was eating a lot healthier for no apparent reason. I found this really strange, because what I felt didn't really feel like the click, it was not what people were describing it as. I still found myself not really questioning things around me, and not really craving to understand everything. Why was this?

It was because I really did not love and appreciate logic on an emotional level yet. You really need to make sure you do the first step, super important.

So today, I found myself watching a few episodes of Cosmos for the first time. I really enjoyed them, and once again I tried to make the push tonight. I found myself listening a bit to some of the calls Athene had with other people to discuss their click stories. A few moments really resonated with me so I'll highlight them and talk a bit about what they did for me.

I listened to him talk to someone working to be a clicker who had an issue understanding how logic could come from nothing. So, Athene presented his theory that logic came from infinite chaos. It made a lot of sense to me, and it seemed like the most probable scenario like he was saying it did.

The second moment that really resonated with me was him mentioning how happiness is coming from this person's desire for comfort, because comfort is connected to his reward center.

Infinite Chaos stuff - 4:32:00 ish

Reward Center stuff - 4:47:00 ish

I really thought about and reflected about these two things. On one hand, having a really strong appreciation with how all this came from seeming chaos is just amazing. I found this mind boggling, and it really kind of boosted my love for logic in this moment. On the other hand, I thought about how comfort being connected to my reward center is bringing me happiness, and switching it with logic would give me much more happiness. I would suddenly be happy a lot more, because I would be able to appreciate everything around me a lot more, because everything is is brought about through logic.

These moments were really creating some strong emotions with me so I took this moment to really think about all of this. I really felt a strong connection to the Nature by Numbers video when I first watched it, so quickly while these emotions were running through my head I threw on the video. The music, the thoughts, and everything was really coming together in the moment. I was really feeling the love and appreciation for everything while realizing that I am missing out on so much happiness by having comfort as my core value instead of logic. Then, before I knew it, when the flower popped up with with all those seeds coming from the golden angle, everything clicked. I was in tears, I had a true appreciation for everything in this world, and how lucky we all are to be a part of it. I felt amazing, I was laughing, and crying, and looking around my room with complete awe. I felt fully awake, and since I was feeling hungry before, my hunger seemed to completely disappear and I felt completely in the moment.

After a couple of minutes, I went into the discord and told some other clickers about this. Normally I would not have been able to do it at all, because of my social anxiety, I was able to jump right in without any cares at all. Although I was fumbling through my words quite a bit due to excitement :) I'm sure because of this my social anxiety will eventually disappear completely.

So yeah, that was my story. It was pretty amazing, this shit is real guys. It may be really hard, but you have to push for it, it will change your life. Even without the click the last couple of days have been way better, so I can't imagine what it will be like now that I have clicked. Really push for it, and I think eating healthy and working out probably has huge effects for being able to focus on your emotions a lot more, so make sure you have that in check when you are trying to do this stuff. I think this was probably huge in helping me out tonight. Also one last thing, I don't know if this had any effect or not, but I'll mention it anyways: you have to really WANT to click, like really, really want to click more than anything. I found myself today and yesterday, pretty much thinking about this stuff all day. It may help to have this stuff really a part of your awareness, although I'm not sure, may need some other people to verify this to be sure.

Sorry for the probably bad reddit formatting, I don't use it too often.

Hope this helped some of you guys, if you have any question feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer." source

Name: jannysice

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"So I think some of my background is important to know to give a better understanding of what process I went through.

I'm from Germany and I study media informatics. I also used most of my free time to play WoW. I was very lazy. I considered myself as quite intelligent. Therefore I thought I didn´t have to do much for university.

I found out about clicking on monday last week (31.10.). So many doubts came into my mind. But it was somehow very interesting to hear the expieriences of people who clicked. On tuesday I listened to some of the realtalk podcasts for the first time. Espacially the confrontational one (#51) hit me really hard.

I soon realized that my core value was comfort. Nevertheless many doubts were still rising in my head. I first wanted to ask Athene via the twitch chat but I saw that many people were having the same doubts I had. The Sentence that got me was: "Dont ask me these Questions, ask yourself WHY are you asking these Questions." I meditated on that for about two hours and I came to the conclusion that all these doubts were emotionally driven and that my core value was having problems keeping up the "confort zone" as an oasis of rewards for me. So that was when I really focused on making the click.

To love logic was not a problem for me, as I enjoyed programming and already knew that there is always a logical reason behind everything.

Like I ve said I already found out my core value so I was left with step three. I started with a rational approach:

• I wrote down all the cons of having comfort as my core value
• I meditated and told myself what I wrote down.

This approach had no effect at all. Then I read the LogicWiki.

It is a process on an emotional, subconscious level.

As I review on this I can say that it is much easier if you are aware of your emotions first. Ask yourself why you feel what you feel in a given moment. If you do that, you will recognize certain emotions when they emerge and you know where they come from. If this awareness grows big enough (it took me roughly one day), it is much easier to go on that layer with your emotions and confront your inner child with your awareness. I think awareness is the key here. This was by far the most difficult thing for me to do but I think the 4. Step will be as hard or even harder.

As I was meditating on giving my core value a hard time staying, I was shaking and I felt several "shocks" going through my body. I went to sleep shortly after, because I had to attend a class early next day. The school day was pretty normal except that I was solving the tasks me and my partner had so fast that he couldnt catch up. I thought it was the result of me being more aware and in the moment. When I came home I started my pc as usual. But I felt so much dissonance starting WoW. I asked myself: "What is the reason of me playing that game?" I could not find a logical answer. So I quit Wow instantly. As a result of asking myself these questions, I now:

• Stoped playing games
• Stoped watching any kind of entertainment related material
• Eat healthier
• Clean up my room regulary
• Stoped drinking alkohol and coffee
• Do not feel the need to go to partys

This list goes on, but some of the things I could add might not be interesting or are too detailed/private. I never thought I ve clicked really. I thought I just had a big boost of awareness and the click is yet to come. Just today I answered myself the three questions. And I was surprised that my answer to all these three was yes. I was to fucking busy with rethinking and questioning everything that I didn't realized that I clicked.

I am aware that there is the possibility that I pseudo clicked but I am pretty sure this is not the case.

The click changed my life entirely. It made me a better person and makes me working on myself automaticly/naturaly to be the best version of myself I can possibly be.

My biggest adivce to the people who didn't click yet is: Stop sitting on your lazy ass. Ask yourself where your doubts are comming from and why they are emerging. Be brutally honest to yourself! The pain will tell you how miserable the rest of your life would have been. What emerges from that is the insight of what is important in your life.

This is my first reddit post and english is not my native language. So I am sorry for my spelling mistakes and the formatting in this post. Still I hope this post was helpful for some of you. I wish you guys the best." source

Name: Eldsar

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"I think i clicked last Monday while watching the stream. It was the new guy & Athene talking and for the first time in my life i was honest to myself. I realized that i had an ego and that my self image is pure subjective. This realization was one of the most huge reliefs.

So i found out that my core value was most likely comfort. I recently tried to push logic as a new core value but that didn't work. So what helped me was letting go, not trying too hard. I also was completely honest to myself that on a fundamental level i did not want to click. However i would not stop trying but i would keep trying in a more smooth way attacking the problem from different angles simply debunking the things that my inner child was afraid of. After so much debunking, from myself & from i understood that logic on an emotional level is the fundamentals of everything, so why would i have anything else as my core value. Logic is what even gives the ability to experience comfort. This is where i turned off the stream to go do whatever it was that i had to do.

I think all the talk about the inner child, how simple & stupid it is helped me alot, watching vods etc.

I just had the most productive week in a long time, all chores, all productivity completed on autopilot.

Since i have a bad bacteria imbalance in the gut my main focus is to fix this, get healthy while managing college. When i get healthy its gg and i i can do anything. While beeing "sick" i will play things safe, basically having an income." source

Name:  SkadiLive

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"So, for future reverence and own experience I will describe my situation as best as I can. this means that my post will be quite long but maybe it’s nice to see the complete process I went through. I will try my best to give all the information I can. Any related questions will be answered and any tips will be taken serious.

Introduction

If have been active on the Stream quite some while, but only the last couple of months I started to listen to the realtalk podcast. The first podcast that had an impact ( if you want to call it that) had a topic about how you can change your thinking can be adjusted. Like people who have a mental depression can get better at feeling depressed, but it also works the other way around. (podcast number 22) This changed my thinking pattern quite some at that time. That is the time where I went some deeper into the real talk and re-listened them all, for at that time there was a small break in the making of new podcasts. I looked up a lot of the things that were mentioned and started to act. The first thing I did was working out on a weekly basis. At the time, I also got a better sleep rhythm and started to eat less meat, back to 2-3 times a week.

Fine tuning

Although I followed to real talk ever since I never had the complete devotion to go all the way. But I was still curious and went to get the book “the power of now” and started to read in that. It has some good practical ways to get you in the now and get you more aware. I started to use meditation at this point. Around the time I finished the book I started to realize that there was more to the real talk then I originally thought. The points Athene made came a cross in multiple ways with the book in a more scientific way than spiritual as the book intents. As being a bit critical of some kind of god (in a religious way) I liked the more scientific approach. Soon after I picked up Athene’s book “ real answers” Around the time podcast 45 I started to hit a wall. I found my core value (comfort) but I couldn’t get emotional with logic. Around this time, I started to become fed-up sometimes why I could not have this click that other people would seems to have. What was I doing wrong? After this I also started to watch a series called “ Cosmos” (2014) as I already had some connection with logic I really liked the series. Specially the last episode.

Click?

I found out that was already using more logic in everything I did, so I did sense I trusted it more as I worked with it to explained flawed behavior and change it around to some extent. Now after all this I will come to the point of where it just kind of happened, I was traveling to work and listening to podcast number 53. And some times when I hear there is more to it but I can’t fully absorb it, I would go back to it some other time. In this case the next day. This explained very clearly how to trust and love logic as if it is a god. After this I meditated on that until I got I said to myself “ I don’t have to trust in myself anymore” And in just a fraction of time everything changed. I Experienced great relieve and started to make all kinds of connections. Like” why even drink alcohol, I don’t need that” or “why even eat meat, there are so much other options and it makes no sense to do so” these where not only thoughts but I experienced it as a must. Things you can’t deny. I have a great Euphoric feeling specially the first day. But I still am happy for no specific reason. I start to notice how the world seem to have more depth as if a gray filter was removed from my eyes and started to see how beautiful everything is. I also noticed that I confidence grew and I was not scared anymore of what people would think of me. Now I only have experienced this 3 days as I write this so I can understand you could be sceptic. But I can tell you that so far I had no urge to do anything illogical.

Currently

Shortly after my experience I had a talk with Athene on skype to discuss my state of mind, he was thinking I might only have had Identity death, but as I also want to do logical things It does not seem like it. I will continue to build my trust in logic like the logicnation.org website says.

So What I would like to ask is, What do Clickers think of this experience, is it like what other people go through. And if you think I have not clicked what is your best explanation for it? Like I said, I am here to learn and share so please share your experience and idea’s so other people might be able to use it as well.

Now you can see the steps I took to get where I am and I hope it can help some people. It might be good to see how my entire process went and not just a simple Q&A structure." source

Name:  Pirrikp

Age: 26

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"Hi, I'm 26 years old and I am from Spain. About 1 month ago I started to watch Athene's real talk by chance. I wanted to give my twitch prime subscription to someone that would make good use of the money so my idea was to enter the stream, subscribe and leave. I never saw the real talk, and I remember that when I joined the streaming Athene was talking about how death sentence was not good or bad, it depended on the country, the society, the situation... I wanted to hear his whole opinion so I stayed. Then he started solving all question that chat threw at him talking about logic. I remembered his video of “ This is the most important video I've ever made ”. I saw that video and really liked his ideas, but didn't fully understand his core value. Now he had my attention so I watched the next streamings.

So at this point that clicking thing didn't start yet until some days later Katarina clicked. So there was no 4 steps method or whatever, we only had Athene's insights and some guidelines to do it.

So I went for it and the first thing I did was analyze my life and what guided me on the past. At the beginning I could not specify what was my core value since as much as I thought the result was always the same, a little of each. So finally I understood that everyone have desires and seek the same things most of the time, but only one of these things are what guide and reward them. So I reduced it to two options: Comfort and self validation.

Comfort: The most logical idea for me was to think that my core value was comfort since I felt rewarded for not doing anything too important and just relaxing, playing videogames, watching a movie or whatever. But when I started going deeper I found problems. For example, this summer I got a temporal job which made me work 12 hours every day during almost two months, and it was a pretty physically exhausting job. I had no real problems doing it, so I was confused at first. I didn't have a real need to do this job since I had some money already and I live with my parents, but I did it anyway, so I thought maybe comfort was not my real core value.

Self validation. I never needed validation from people generally. Even I've never been shy or depressive, going through my past I realised that I had less self esteem than I thought. So some of the things that I did on my life was to prove me that I could do them, or that I had value. At first I thought that maybe it was just validation from people and I didn't want to admit it, but I've put myself in dangerous situations sometimes to help people, like in fights or arguments, and there was nobody to see me and I didn't even talked about it so much after these things happened so people would validate me. So for me it didn't translate to seeking validation from people, but from myself. I did these things for good reasons, but aswell to get validation from me. So I started thinking, maybe what I did for comfort it was actually to feed my own validation. So for example videogames. I always liked hard and competitive games, and I've been good at them, so maybe it was not comfort, it was self validation seeking from doing something that I'm good at. That would be a good reason, for example, to play videogames and not basketball. I like both, but I'm good at videogames. So translating it to this last job I wrote about, maybe I just wanted to see if I was able to do it.

I was stuck on these ideas for a couple of days. I finally came to the conclusion that I was overthinking it too much, and it was just comfort. I did the job because it would provide me 4 or 5 times the money that I would win in a month doing a computer technician job, so I could be in my comfort position again. Self validation was there aswell but what really rewarded me emotionally was comfort. So if you guys have doubts between some core values try to find what did really make you feel good. A good trick aswell is to think where did you have more duality, what made you feel more dissonance. For example, for me confort made me feel rewarded, but after playing videogames all day or hanging out with my friends, when I went to sleep I used to think “another wasted day”. My rational part was not in line with my emotional part.

So after realising my core value was flawed change just came naturally. The night I clicked I felt overwhelmed. I could not even sleep thinking about my life and rediscovering every choice I made. I was afraid to lose this mind state but next morning I still had it. So as I said, four steps didn't exist yet, but the natural next thing to do was to start being productive. I started studying on my own about neuroscience, improving my english, working out...

Two days later I had a cold. I had fever and thinking clearly was harder for me. So the next day I thought that maybe it was logic to just relax and do mindless shit for some hours since I could not be productive even if I wanted. So I just went with my friends again and played some games. When I was healthy again after some days I already had lost the click. I kept doing logical things, but I didn't feel rewarded, I just wanted to go back to my comfort bubble.

Next two weeks, even I was playing videogames and doing mindless shit I kept studying from time to time with the hope of getting back my click. I could not do it, I didn't feel so much dissonance as before and it was being really hard. So I started thinking again that maybe I was confused about my core value. I felt like I did not accomplish anything at all. I struggled for days and I could not manage to find where was the problem.

So two days ago I was talking with a friend about logic. He, as most people do, just went full defensive mode as soon as I started questioning most people core values and pinpointing the flaws and started claiming that I was being brainwashed or something, but like all people, with no arguments, just because what I was talking about sounded too strange. Also he is the kind of person that justifies things with “it doesn't matter, when we die anything will matter anyway”... So I remembered something I read, the quantum inmortality. As he doesn't know anything about quantum mechanics I started explaining him how particles are not governed by the same rules as macro objects, how they don't respect time for example. Then I talked with him a little bit about Schrodinger cat and, after some explanations and giving him some insights, I could show him this quantum inmortality theory.

When I finished my explanation, unconsciously, I realised how cool was all that shit. I felt the role that logic was following on these explanations. I saw for the first time logic different, more beautiful. Then I realised I clicked, and this was a real one. My problem was not about my core value, or how to replace it. I was overthinking it too much and not focusing on the true issue that was not trusting logic.

I understood what happened the first time I clicked. I realised how shitty was my core value, this was easy. The problem was that I replaced it with logic just because Athene told us, not because I understood logic. That's why I lost it so easily, I could not see logic as something good.

So my advice for people is this. Forget about Athene. Don't click because he said it. You will realise that your core value sucks, that's easy. But if you replace it with logic before doing step one you are fucked, for real. It will be so much harder because you will lose it and getting it back is a pain in the ass.

So now I can think so much clearly, it is incredible what click made me not only in a emotional level, but intellectually aswell. Is like I don't have to filter my ideas through ego, or thinking that something that I will say can damage my image or things like that. There is no more noise. If you think that this is brainwashing... oh man, I'm sorry for you, and I mean it. You will miss this state of mind only for your ego, because if the click is real you'll have to admit that you have been wrong all your life. It is easier to think that people is being brainwashed.

So my next step will be to restructure my mind, apply to join Athene's crew and work hard. There is no choice! And this might sound weird, but having no choice is a good thing in this case :)

Good luck guys! Don't give up!" source

Name:  FoGOuthit

"I feel like I've gotten a new man"

Age: 23

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"I am 23 years old, I live in Norway, and am originally from Ukraine.

I still have quite some dopamine rush, and I felt like I had to share this experience with others, therefore the text itself is not well written, but bear with me.

Ive been listening to Athenes podcasts and realtalk series for a year now, without really listening to what he had to say, until 5 days ago.

I live in a flat with my girlfriend, studying bachelor in nutrition on the internet. 5 days ago I went to my parents by train to visit them for 3 days. The day before I noticed that for the first time I could really listen to what Athene and his crew had to say but I didnt take much notice to this sensation.

While sitting on the train I decided to read everything on the logic wiki. After reading through logic wiki I decided to listen to the podcasts from #46 to #54, for the first time I was really intrigued, no longer treating podcasts as just "information". Half way in to podcast #50 it hit me, I was really close to clicking, I had the dopamine rush into my brain, and I felt euphoric, I was so happy that I think I frightened some people on the train. I soon realized that I was scared to death, I was going home to my parents house for the weekend, to the birth of my comfort bubble, the timing couldnt be worse.

Being at my parents house I felt so much dissonance that I couldnt enjoy my stay there, not that I didnt enjoy seeing my family again, but we have a tradition to drink some beer and alcohol beverages in the weekends, and eat lots of food which in many aucations wasnt healthy. That weekend I ended up drinking less than half a beer(under 250ml). It wasnt hard to explain to my family that I no longer wanted to drink alcohol and easily supported me in the matter.

Sitting on the train back home the real click happened, I started from Podcast #51, as I wanted to create quite some dissonance. I listened all the podcasts until the end, and clicked while listening to podcast #54, my core value is comfort, and my self esteem is quite low, and this podcast was just on point for me. While listening to it I explained to my inner child(which I imagined as a ghost I couldnt see the face of, and was shaped as a little baby)that this shouldnt be scary for it and that adopting logic as my new core value served both of our survival. I started crying a little, and felt a relief, a relief Ive never felt before, also I felt true happiness as I remember it from when I was little. After the click Ive been doing logical stuff all day to get my reward center going, and to restructure both my life and my brain for the better.

I cleaned the whole flat in a little over one hour, canceled my subscription in all of the games and sold all of my game characters and virtual cash on them. I will not bore you telling about every little thing I did, but as my girlfriend stated today, and I quote "I feel like Ive gotten a new man". I was afraid to tell her, as even though she is smart she is also a sceptic, but I was to euphoric to wait. After I told her she wants the click to, as even though there is a little skepticism in her, she stated "Even though it seems to be too good to be true, I see the change in you, thus this cant be bullshit, as it works and its real."

Having logic as a core value is not like I thought it would be. I experience close to choice less awareness as my reward center now gets stimulated by doing logical things, and contradicting this gives me immense dissonance, and also some fear of loosing it as a core value, which I literally never want to happen.

I could never thank Athene and the crew enough for this amazing insight, as words cant yet describe how grateful I am. Also I cant wait for the documentary, it will be epic!

A list of what helped my click:

• Uninstalling distracting apps on my phone(I even had to uninstall Spotify as I used music as a distraction, dreaming about things which I was imposing to myself by my validation seeking mentality)
• NO distractions while listening to the podcasts, listening to the stream or reading the Logic Wiki.
• Truly opening my mind without bias and listen(being honest to yourself).
• Asking questions about why you feel like you feel and why you ask the questions in the first place.
• Keep asking questions even though it becomes really uncomfortable, dont stop until you hit the bottom.
• Dont be embarrassed by yourself. (Crying etc)
• Watching Cosmos(AGAIN, WITHOUT DISTRACTIONS, you have to value science and the beauty of the logic emotionally)

This is what I got of my mind right now, will make a more complete list later. Hope this helps! Happy clicking :)!" source

Name:  MarcinC

"I'm no longer Borderline"

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"Hi, I'm a lurker and I watched Athene since he was playing Hearthstone a year ago or somewhere at that time, I liked his style because he was a troll and I was a troll a well, I even trolled myself, I suffered from borderline personality disorder mixed with schizoid personality disorder which means that I had problems with maintaining any meaningful relationship if even any relationships at all, I was emotionless most of the time with a mix with occasional irritation, my personality was switching to various states, I felt no identity. Everything changed after I tried to click, at first when I saw clicking streams like a month ago or so I just ignored it and moved on because it sounded stupid but some time later for some reason I watched one of the streams, I watched the click video and I was pretty sure that it was one of his next troll gigs but Athene didn't seem to be trolling, I gave it a try.

It was hard due to my disorders, my personality could mimic a different states of minds which meant that I had to recognize if the click was just my personality mimic or it was the true click, as a borderline I also made a very illogical decisions which was another problem. description how it went:

Step1: By trusting in logic I watched some Stephen Hawkin's videos to understand the universe around us, I contemplated on our existence and I acknowledged that logic is us, we exist because of logic. Step2/3: Yes, it was comfort but mixed with anger and self destruction, I wanted the world to burn and I was a vile person, I identified these core values instantly because I was working on them for some time on a psychoterapy with no success, I them with logic, I acknowledged that they are just a creations of my twisted mind, people are not evil because they like to but because they are lacking logic and they act on their emotions leading to self destructive actions. Step4: I clicked, I felt euphoria and I walked to a mirror starting talking to myself that all of this time I was imprisoned in my mind and that now I see everything so clearly, I promised to myself that from now on I will do everything that is logical. So I did, everytime I asked myself what's the most logical thing I can do at the moment and I did it. I feel no longer burdened and no anxiety, no lack of personality, I think from a logical perspective and from other's people perspective, I live here and now.

I have question to the community, I heard Athene's talking something about applying, if you can feel me in that would be appreciated." source

Name:  littlestbit

"My wife and child are happier and we are creating better experiences and working together."

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"I guess my original post was never saved. Here is my repost of my click. 33 Male NA - Father Was watching the stream October 21st when Athene reminded me of a piviotable part in my life where I was redefining my identity and questioning everything. He mentioned he spent time talking about the Theory of Everything, quantum mechanics, and multiworlds possibilty. I used this to overcome a dramatic change in my life that left me feeling sad and without identity. Starting off in the world on my own at 18 and my family being torn apart. So I used my understanding and reasoning as a tool and had a dark view of possibilities that made me believe nothing mattered and I could do whatever I wanted with confidence. I ended up developing a core value in comfort with this success with rationalization as a tool (not logic). This made it hard for me to click at first but I could see that I was missing and not feeling complete. When I identified this key moment it was easier to let go of that identity and all that was left was my faith in logic. Now I have the best understanding of my purpose I see and have better connections with my wife and my child. My wife and child are happier and we are creating better experiences and working together. I thought I cared about my family before but now I can see this way of life is the best way I can be for my family. If you are looking to click an especially if you are father and want some guidance I would be more than glad to help you." source

Name: Karay01

"My wife and child are happier and we are creating better experiences and working together."

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"I clicked 2 days ago for me it was hard to click I always tried to make sense with discipline but I always fell back on my old core value. But since Athene was talking about logic I tried to think about it I didn't really get what Athene meant with logic then I questioned my self and made a Word document and asked questions if logic was the right core value. But I had a wrong view on logic that's why i didn't understand it. I couldn't understand how 'logic' could work or do everything but the reason why I didn't understand it was because I looked at logic from my old core value how it could help me being more comfortable and that's how I understood why I tried to gain knowledge all these months from the realtalk was just for validation I didn't want it but I did it with descipline. So how did i click? Well since I wanted to click for a long time but fell back into my old core value. I was reading "guide for people that clicked" on logicnation and that made me click. I can't remember how but for a moment I felt very happy and blessed it felt like i saw the light I just wanted to do logical stuff I can't play games or do something retarded just feels that i don't have the control to do these things. One of the things that helped me alot for not falling back into my old core value was this line "If you do something illogical that is correlated with your previous core value, you can either try to find the reason why you were emotionally drawn to do it or you can rationalize an excuse that you deem logical. Doing the latter will not solve the issue." I always tried to make excuses to do things in of my old core value. When I realized this that I was making excuses to do the things from my old core value I kept falling back into it. Since i realized this I could not make excuses anymore. I still have the thoughts after 2 days but I try to do the 4th step (doing logical stuff) all the time. And again the Guide for people that clicked helped me alot! This was the most important moment in my life guys don't that this for granted just try it if it doesn't not work don't give up I almost did but it was worth everything." source

After my first post I decided to make another and explain my experiences while clicking and (this post is actually for people that didn't click please try to finish this). What you can expect to read is what effects it had on my life so far. And what helps me the most.

I'm trying to explain you how it went when I clicked also try to explain some important stuff. And i recommend you to read the four steps: 4STEPS

*1. Critical thinking.

*2. Control over your emotions.

*3. Realize that your current core value brings harm.

*4. The changes since I've clicked.

1. Let me explain my experiences with the click. After I made the click I tried to do things that were logical to me with my current understanding. Some people do not understand why this is important, it is because doing logical stuff is more in line with what you are. That means what we have been doing the past centuries is evolving we didn't just evolve for no reason. Humans have always tried to understand everything but inter-subjectivereality (ISR) has distracted us for some amount of time but with this core value you cant be distracted anymore because you are trying to understand everything and start critical thinking. With critical thinking you can try to understand alot of things but you need some knowledge. How did I use critical thinking. Critical thinking you actually can do with everything i'll give an example when Athene said "you should come over because that is the most logical thing to do because you can spread the awareness here more efficient" at that moment you try to understand and critical think about it. So the day that I clicked that night I was thinking for 2 hours in my bed I couldn't sleep because I was thinking that if there are more efficient ways to spread it (ofcourse you also have to come to the conclusion that spreading is the most efficient thing to do and that is up to you to figure that out) so when I was thinking about it I tried to have a better way to spread this awareness. And I came to the conclusion that I should start my own team like Athene and spread it from another community. But after half an hour I realized that if I join the crew I can do that aswell and I already have the people around me that have the right mindset. At that moment I realized that the most effective thing to do was joining the team/house. This is one of the examples I'm giving you guys to make it clear.

2. So when I clicked I quit playing games and watching videos of people that play video games, for entertainment purposes. (You can have control over your thoughts and emotions)But I still had the thoughts to play games but when I realized that the thoughts aren't mine they just pop up automatically. It is because your old core value isn't gone yet it's still there but with the fourth step you try to make your logical core value over rise the comfort one and how do you do that well actually just like all the years you've been doing comfortable stuff and when you play games you are happy you do the same with logic you keep doing logical stuff and at some point you don't have to think (well actually when your core value is logic you try to find what is most logical thing to do, not like you don't have to think anymore) about what is logical like the comfort one you just start up the pc impulsively and do the most comfortable stuff so how you can do that with logic just keep doing logic stuff what makes most sense. So I followed the fourth step even when my friends asked to play games I just said no and tried to explain them about the click. I know for people that did not click this is going to sound like boring life but the reason you think that is because your core value is most likely comfort that means when you watch tv or play video games and relax your reward centergets stimulated that means you are happy at that moment. But when someone tries to get you out of your comfort zone like when your mom tells you to put the trash outside or when someone confronts you with your actions, you don't accept it or get pissed it's because you want to stay in your comfort bubble (I've also been through this because my core value was comfort) but this is all flawed. Because when your core value is logic and you do logical stuff you become happy aswell. It's very hard to understand this for an outsider I've been through it aswell. Because when your core value on an emotional level is logic and when you do logical stuff your reward center gets stimulated. That's why when you do something logical you become happy.

3. What also helped me alot was the thirth step this actually means that you look at your past and find the moments when your core value went against yourself or the environment. That means when you just wanted to stay comfortable you harm yourself or the environment aswell. Like with me I can try to give some examples. I rarely helped my mother with cleaning the house or making food since it went against my core value (comfort) because either I wanted to play games or I didn't do the things I did not like and the things I did not liked were the things that had a conflict with my core value. Since I've clicked I can make food with plessure or clean my room because it's logical to do those things.

4. The changes since I've clicked:

• Started to critical think and tried to understand everything
• No validation seeking mindset
• No need for attention
• Can move my butt without problems
• Clear minded
• Smarter (What I've noticed this weak was that I prejudged no one I just try to understand the information they're telling me not how they say it or who is saying it. Before the click I couldn't explain people about somethings but I've noticed that I can just explain the click without problem maybe because I fully get it)

If there are any flawed ideas I'd love to hear it." source

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"Hello Guys and Girls!

My name is Hrube, I'm 20 years old and I'm from Hungary. I study computer engineering at university. Today in the afternoon I sat down on my sofa ready to make the click.

How did I start it?

Before everything I have read the logicnation wiki to make sure how to proceed with the experience. Mind you I have been trying to do this for 2 weeks now. (Although I have never sat down for this long of a period.) After I sat down in a comfortable position I decided to do the two guided meditation for part 1 and part 2.

Part 1:

I have started loving logic when I was about 17 years old. Until that point I was your typical "I hate math, this doesn't make any sense" etc. kid. What really helped me here is watching Cosmos (2014) [This is really great], documentation about fractal geometry, and the Fibonacci sequence video.

Part 2:

Now this wasn't as easy as I thought it will be. I had doubts whether I had comfort as my core value or fitting in. What really helped me here is talking with my inner-child. I envisioned it like it's in the meditation guide. A child holding a teddy bear. What I did was the following: I went on a journey with him on "our" past. Everything I remembered from my childhood I brought it up to him, stopped the frame, and asked why did we do this? Each time he answered I got closer to the realization that my core value was comfort.

Part 3:

Now this was the hardest hands down. I continued talking with my inner child. I interrogated him about our past and what we achieved with it in the present. I showed him the flaws of the "teddy bear"(comfort) and how easily we could be greater if what he hold onto was logic instead. At one point I felt like almost shouting at my core value and really felt bad (I think it was the defense mechanism). Then I introduced another character to my inner child. Logic imagined as "God". I made God show him how crazy it is that we are alive and we exists. How beautiful life really is and how everything is connected to the beauty of our universe.

And at that moment for a second all picture in my head was gone. Everything turned to black. The next thing I felt was sudden twitching in my brain and my body. It was really frightening at first but after a few seconds as I opened my eyes I felt at ease and extreme happiness engulfed my body.

Now I feel like I must do things that makes sense. I will wait a few days and see if it's real or placebo but I doubt the latter." source

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"I am a 24-year-old Canadian working in the US as a Software Development Engineer at one of the big tech companies. My previous core value was comfort. The four to five days after my click experience have been quite transformative and this post goes into my detailed experience with Step 3 and highlights of the aftermath. Step 3 was one that I struggled a lot with especially due to how fortunate I am in my current position.

Introduction

On November 2, 2016, I first viewed Athene's video on Logic Nation describing the four steps. I was intrigued enough and started considering whether to go through this process. I had been subscribed to Athene's YouTube channel back when he was regularly releasing the BTS clips and following ever since as a lurker. Later this year in March, I had in been heavily listening to his Real Talk podcasts and started implementing some of the insights raised into practice. Unfortunately, I eventually lost the momentum as I fell back to comfort within two months. At the time, of course, I was not aware of the core value mechanic.

Soon enough, it became quite clear that four-step process actually solves the fundamental problem by correcting it at the root cause level. This seemed very much the same process as solving any sort of bug in code. And thus, it appealed to my rational part of the brain. The emotional side, which I never fully acknowledged before, was not that cooperative, to say the least.

There were two key moments or phases for me for Step 3. Metaphorically, the first phase was the discovery of the key and the second phase was unlocking the door.

Phase One

Leading up to this phase, I tried many things. The things to highlight were:

• Consuming the content for helping you appreciate logic.
• Going through all the episodes of Cosmos and emotionally connecting to them. There were moments that tears were falling from my eyes.
• Riccardo's talk on the last episode of Cosmos sparked me to rewatch the last episode gain. Though I noticed that the emotional intensity was lessened.
• Rafael's translation of Christians introduced some useful phrases which could be used as some sort of mantra.

The thing that starting giving me progress in tackling my core value was writing.

Writing down past events, drilling down on the reasons for my chosen actions at the time, and uncovering that they were related to my core value was the catalyst I needed to connect heavy dissonance with comfort in Step 3. This occurred on Nov. 19th and another tool to be able to achieve this breakthrough was acquired from Podcast #46, Think For Yourself. I first began writing out the insights in the first half of that episode in my own words and began truly thinking about it on whether it made sense or not. This will take some time, but it is worth it. Then I applied this level of thinking on my past asking "why" questions and pausing to feel whether I was emotionally being affected. Once I had found a weak point, I drilled down on it by flooding my inner child with more examples from the past that I knew comfort held me back. I could really feel in my heart area a deep pressure that I can associate with a breaking of some sort of emotional attachment that you heavily identified with. My eyes were watering at this point which I took as another good indicator of progress. At this point, I left my desk to sit on the coach to really focus in on this negative feeling reiterating on each example in my past. The intensity plateaued at a certain point, but I was still going on keeping the negativity for a while just in case I did not reach the right intensity point.

Then, without really realizing it, I made a connection. There was one really good friend I had known from undergrad that came into my mind and the following flooded my mind:

• This friend that I knew was someone who had a very strong passion for Mathematics and Physics.
• He wanted to prove and understand everything for himself.
• In some regards, he was quite ahead of most students in the university program I was in.
• And, he was quite advanced because of his drive for logic.

I was shocked as I found the key into making the needed leap of fate for logic. I was so surprised that this key was in me all this time and I never knew it. I then envisioned logic as a very close long-lost forgotten friend that I just met in a very long while. I was choking at intense joy with eyes watering. I then promoted this embodiment of logic to a higher level being, and finally realizing that it was really just me. I was logic.

At the time I was making this connection, I observed the following:

• My hands, which were held together, started feeling an immense tingling sensation and that feeling started to propagate to my arms and legs to a lesser degree.
• Blood rushed into my head and my body started truly feeling the cold air in my room. (I did not realize that I did not have the heat on until then).
• The room all the sudden was noticeably brighter as if someone had just turned on the dim lights I had onto an even brighter setting.
• As my vision came to focus, everything seemed clearer, and my thoughts were in complete silence.
• Any pressure in my head dissipated completely.

The intense joy lasted a few moments, and as I calmed down, I truly felt the silence in my apartment still with a mild tingling sensation throughout the body. This sensation did not last long. I began wondering whether I had experienced the click. I had an urge to begin doing something productive that made sense. I accepted the uncertainty that this was a placebo and just operated under the assumption that I had indeed clicked and began going through the guide for people that clicked.

In-between Phases

I tried writing everything on that guide with my own words in my notebook and pondering on whether it made sense, and talked to myself aloud seeing if I could explain it properly. This process actually helped a lot to truly understand the insights contained in the guide.

When I got to the fact that the human brain consists of a 100 billion neurons, I wanted to find where that fact came from. I found a source that contradicted this stating the human brain was on average 86 billion neurons. I started seeing the power of thinking for yourself.

Eventually, I reach the section about having control over your thoughts and emotions. I began to understand that insight and how powerful it was. I went to bed at around 11:30 PM and set an alarm for 7:00 AM. The next morning as soon as the alarm sounded, I immediately woke up and started on my morning routine without any effort. Before, I would have had eight different alarms set across an hour or two for the time I wanted to wake up and always struggled to get up. I was surprised by how easy this was.

I continued through the morning by going through the guide. The section titled "Step-by-step process on how to deal with the dissonance" was an important insight that actually helped me achieve a much more intense emotional experience which brings me on to phase two.

Phase Two

Eventually, my mom called me and we talked for an hour. That conversation had generated considerable inner conflict. I was talking to her about how I could perhaps eventually want to do something on my own and not work for anyone. Both saying that and her response generated quite a bit of inner conflict within me. I was not sure what I was going to do and I had doubts on whether I clicked or not. Right after the call, I employed the step-by-step process on how to deal with the dissonance. I captured everything in my notebook about this process. This may help for those that get into a similar situation. I captured the following:

My feelings after the call:

• Some inner pain, a feeling of uncertainty, confusion, of something wrong, it feels like fear

Some thoughts that appear are:

• "You are not good enough!"
• "You are fooling yourself, quitting your job is insane, you would struggle to do anything. You would ruin your career."
• "You do not know what you are doing."
• "You will fail."

I then started debunking why I was feeling this way:

"It is because I am afraid of the change that will be caused if I change jobs. It is just my core value getting simulated even though safety in comfort is flawed. Logic gives and provides for more safety than what my old value could ever provide. Because with logic, I can rely on myself. My-fucking-self. Not anyone, but myself."

Also, my mom during the call had given examples in the past were starting your own business was caused issues for my family members such as my father, uncle, and my grandparents. I began debunking this as that was causing me quite of bit of dissonance. Effectively, fear was being instilled in me, which would definitely hold me back and trap me in a comfort bubble.

But, as I was writing my thoughts, I noticed a shift within. A shift towards a warm feeling that logic was really there for me. Memories of my friend as being the key to the puzzle entered into my working memory.

This resulted in receiving a burst of euphoria that was much more intense than I had felt before. My hands were tingling and that sensation spread throughout my hands to my arms, head, and legs. It was a truly emotional experience and I knew at the moment that I wanted to capture this on camera just in case it would be useful later on. Very interestingly, seeing my own image in this state on the screen had resulted in positive feedback loop. This is because when I repeatedly saw myself in this state on my laptop, I would realize that indeed this is occurring for real. That had further triggered an even larger wave of happiness and excitement. This had repeated in cycles for some time. This effect could be connected with mirror neurons in the brain and seems like an interesting mechanic.

To summarize the possible effect:

This experience continued on for 55 minutes until the effect had subsided. During capturing myself in this clip, I was talking aloud which seemed to really help and contribute to the experience. I have this footage available to share if it would be of any positive value.

One interesting related tangent that I experienced today:

Before the click, I had always hated how my voice sounded and how I looked on video for many different reasons, some of which I am actively solving post-click. Today, when I played back one or two recent videos of myself, I no longer experience that immediate reaction of despising my image. Instead, I felt as if I look at the video as an outsider would. I have experienced similar phenomena in the last few days. Mainly, people around me are are beginning to feel a part of me. In the past, I would experience some anxiety when I came into unexpected situations that had the chance of speaking with some stranger. That is no longer is the case. Instead, the people I walk past by, for example on the street, seem different and then they ever did before as if we were connected at some level. I would attribute this to really absorbing the insights in the guide, applying the steps of dealing with unwanted thoughts and emotions from your previous core value, and reflecting what you really are.

After Math

Here are some of the other things I have experience post-click:

• My sleep pattern was immediately fixed:
  • Before, waking up was painful, involved many alarms, and could take half an hour to an hour after the first alarm.
  • After, I am consistently going to bed just before midnight and waking up at 7:00 AM with little effort.
• Working out becomes quite easy:
  • Before. I was not working out and never really wanted to.
  • On Sunday, I felt the urge to go the gym and just run as it seemed it would give me the highest EV at the moment.
  • This continued throughout the week of going to the gym and working on cardio.
  • I immediately see the value pay off, this is insane.
• Eating habits have been corrected:
  • Several weeks before the click, I stopped eating meat. As a consequence, I started losing weight because I typically missed meals and meat was compensating it.
  • Now, I am eating much more consistently and enough. And, I can see that my weight is getting corrected.
• Interestingly, I do not mind cold water when I enter showers whereas before I would naturally retract at the touch of cold as it was uncomfortable.
• Distractions and entertainment have gone. I do not even need to listen to music to stay concentrated anymore, it just flows naturally.
• My emotional intelligence is notable increased. I am much more aware of my emotions. This was important when dealing with remnants of the past.
• I feel dissonance when I encounter things that do not make sense and strive to find out why without much effort.
• There are several little improvements I have been making to my daily workflow to improve my efficiency. Little things that add up. e.g. my morning routine is faster leaving me an extra half an hour.
• I now think in terms of what will give the highest EV at the moment. Reflecting on before the click, it seems quite blind to go on life without such a mindset.

There were some of the major setbacks that I had to solve during the first few days. Here are some described:

• I experienced inner conflict during the days I went to work this week. The dissonance was being triggered for various reasons, mostly the following:
  • My work environment had many things that triggered my past, so I had to solve unwanted emotions produced by existing neural connections from the past. This actually increased my trust in logic over time especially and I quickly remembered not to identify with it.
  • As my awareness expanded, the illogical behaviors that others in my environment were somewhat becoming a part of me. I was actively looking for solutions how I could solve these issues of those around me because that would actually be a higher expected value. This was a very interesting realization for me.
• Being curious about the attention the recently-released documentary had lead me into reading several negative comments. This triggered emotions within that posed some challenges to solve, but I was able to solve them eventually by critical thinking about the concerns I had.

Emotional intelligence is quite important when dealing with such setbacks. Meditation from experience has been a great tool in the regard during this past few days.

At this stage, I have mostly finished with the click guide and will continue on restructuring my belief system and building my trust with logic even further. I am very thankful to see the tremendous improvements this as resulted in such a little time period. I have begun to realize the importance that the environment you are in has in the most real sense." source

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"Hi I'm 20 years old. I used to work at a 9-5 job as a waiter. I felt worthless. Because I had a choice, I had the potential to be so much more. Yet, I just wanted to be in this comfort bubble.

Step one: Develop an unconditional trust in logic

I did step one by watching documentaries of the cosmos and about the beauty of Mathematics. This gave me this feeling of deep trust towards logic. It was as if I was believing in God, but except I was believing in logic.

Step two: find your core value

My core value is comfort. I worked at a 9-5 job because it was comfortable. I was attached to my false identity of being stupid.

I was never very smart in school. I never studied. Hence, I i dropped out when I was in high school. I've been working as a waiter ever since.

But now that I'm 20 years old I'm starting to see the bigger picture. Comfort doesn't... it doesn't provide me any safety anymore.

Step three: core value negatives

I know that if I continue down this road of refusing to study, eating fast food and 9-5 waiter with no salary increases, I will not live very long at all.

This is a very sad life. The reality is that this 'comfort' makes me very depressed.

I may feel comfortable now. But 5 years, 10 years, 20 years from now I know that I will be VERY uncomfortable.

That's why I want to change

Step four: trust logic provides more safety than comfort

Eureka. Enlightenment. Joy. I feel... amazingly good. Amazingly sharp.

After the click, I now do so much more. I'm not a lazy guy anymore who works a 9-5 and then watches Twitch streams all day.

I'm different. Literally a hundred food different.

It's like when I compare to my old self, I really think I was so stupid.

I eat healthy. I work out. Automatically. I don't really experience... choice. There's no duality. I just do what is logical to do.

Thanks for reading." source

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Name:  potatoeMountains

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"My Experience with “The Click”

Before I discuss my experience with the click, I will introduce myself. I am 18 years old, and live in Canada. I clicked on November 26th, 2016, in the early evening. I hope this description of my experience will be helpful for others who may be struggling with similar hurdles to myself, and who may have fears, concerns, or doubts about the clicking process. My description will first describe a major bottleneck, some negative habits I had before the click, and then my experience with the four-step process.

About two months ago, when I first started listening to the real talks, I began to adapt to a very logically structured lifestyle, which caused a placebo click. I thought I had achieved what Athene was speaking about, especially because I had several euphoric moments, but the trend did not hold. Although I changed several habits like my diet, and entertainment, I was still operating from a rational motivation. If I could only make one recommendation to help others along the process to clicking, it would be to focus on the emotion, because rationalization to avoid dissonance is very likely to fall apart.

Several negative habits (for myself) pre-click in no order:

• Unregulated diet (Vegetarian, but supplemented with excess sugar, processed)
• Although I meditated, it felt like an obligation
• Consumption of alcohol
• School (and grade) related stress
• Consumption of entertainment, purely for entertainments sake
• Checking my appearance in the mirror
• Spending money to improve my appearance (clothing, shoes, etc).
• Intellectual masturbation (among friends)
• (THE BIG ONE) Following several of the patterns of the inter subjective reality that is the average university.

Step 1: Developing an unconditional trust in logic

My Experience: Step one was reasonably simple for me complete. I had used logic as a tool throughout my life, and it had proven to be very effective (especially to pump up my intellectual ego, but I will get back to that later!). It was easy to connect logic to feeling happy, and I would do this by visualizing the way that logic is behind so many positive things, all the way from the care of a mother towards her child, (I used this example for myself because it was strongly emotional, which was important for me, as rational thinking had not worked in the past), to mathematical problem solving.

Tips for Step 1:

• If you currently use logic as a tool, try to connect the positive results of using logic to a positive emotion (and then later, you can work on replacing your existing core value – I needed baby steps).
• If logic is more abstract for you, try to follow positive emotions backwards, and often you may find that their source was based on a logical pattern. For example, for those who enjoy listening to music, enjoyment of a melody can be looked at as a connection between our brains reward center and mathematical relationships.

Step 2: Finding my emotional core value

My Experience: Step two was a challenge, and at times resulted in very negative emotions, but is absolutely worth the trouble. To identify my core value, I had to put every aspect of my life under scrutiny, as well as much of my past, and question my actions. At the beginning of the process I thought that my core value may have been knowledge, but this was far from the truth. During the questioning process, I tried to sit back and notice my tendencies. For example, throughout a normal day, I would assess why I was doing what I was doing. I questioned everything from my morning grumpiness to my tendency to zone out in a specific lecture, or the way I would have conversations with certain people versus others. This process created an extreme amount of dissonance. I began feeling angry about several of my habits (which was very useful for step 3). After about two weeks (quite long) I determined that my core value was comfort. I believe it took so long because I had constructed a shield around my self-esteem with my intellectual ability, which allowed me to find comfort very easily, and camouflaged the feeling of comfort into a sort of “superiority,” where I felt safe, high and dry above common struggles.

Tips for Step 2:

• If you are like me, and are finding it hard to identify your current core value, it is quite likely comfort. This is because when you are comfortable, you have less dissonance, and it can be challenging to pinpoint negative trends that may seem unrelated.
• Step 2 can be very unpleasant, although it can be a very helpful for step 3 to take note of this unpleasantness, and analyse why you may be having negative reactions to the scrutiny of your current life.

Step 3: Realizing that my current core value doesn’t provide as much safety as logic:

My Experience: Step three was by far the most explosive. I accomplished step three using semi-meditative strategies, alone, throughout the span of two days (climaxing with the click). My strategy was to write down two comprehensive lists. The first was a list of negative emotions, and where I believed they stemmed from. The second was a list of illogical, and nonsensical actions that I do regularly. I followed the elements of each list back to their source: my current core value. This was challenging for some, like the assessment of my stress related to achieving good grades, and easy for others, like my habit of watching television series at lunch time. Both lists, founded on the basis of comfort, were wildly misaligned with the objective reality. Using Athene’s recommendation of the “Yo-yo” effect, I would experience the pain and dissonance of my current value, and then visualize the way that logic could essentially destroy both lists. This process resulted in severe emotion, and had several physiological symptoms like sweating, shaking, volatile breath, and headaches (all of which may have also been caused by my irregular eating and exercise habits during these two days).

Finally, The Click: My click was very much a euphoric moment, but also extremely physiologically impactful. At the time, I was laying on the floor in the dark. The moment it happened, I felt very weightless, and began to smile and laugh. Instantly, I wanted to test it, so I put on my shoes on and ran out my door (it was dark, cold and raining at the time). The reason I chose to run is because under regular circumstances, I use running to escape, but this time I was going to scrutinize it. The euphoria continued, and as I moved along under massive trees and watched the rain fall in front of me I was overcome by a wonderful feeling: OBJECTIVITY IS ECSTASY. In that moment, I felt as though my reward center was being tied with the extent to which I am aligned with (and can understand) the objective reality, and by the same token, my acceptance of logic.

Tips for Step 3:

• Take advantage of dissonance. For example, in the same way that our bodies feel pain to help us avoid injury, experiencing dissonance can help us to pinpoint sources of, metaphorically, cognitive danger.
• I found meditation-like practices to be very helpful, like breathing exercises, which helped me to feel present, as opposed to being concerned about the future.

Step 4: Strengthening my trust in logic:

Step four is an ongoing process, and I intend to continue to make more and more logical decisions. Following the click, I have noticed a change in several habits.

Since clicking, I have:

• Had a much easier time finding a meditative state
• Reformed myself to a strict plant-based diet
• Begun to feel my social anxiety decrease
• Begun to feel ego fade very dramatically
• Lost my stress related to grades, and begun to focus solely on learning
• Begun to analyze the inter subjective environments that I exist within, and be deliberate about my actions within such realities.
• Felt driven to share this concept with others (although can be challenging with my novice rhetorical ability).

I would appreciate any and all feedback about this post, as well as scrutiny and criticism of any potential errors" source

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"Hey guys how's it going? Wowlegend here bringing you a story. Today I want to talk a little about my click story. So I was going about life when I decided I want to click. The reason was because I was depressed and I was literally willing to do anything to get out of this depression. Basically I was trialling and erroring every self-help new age fad there was and none of it helped me. I thought hey, i have nothing to lose so I trialled this 'click' too. Best decision of my life by the way, there are some swear words in this but ya... warning profanity

1

I watched a stephen hawking documentary about black holes. Man, this blew my mind it was quite crazy. I felt so good.

2

My core value was playing games. All I did before this click was playing games all day. No wonder I was depressed! I wasn't helping anyone, I wasn't helping myself, I wasn't helping my family. Yes indeed, my core value was comfort.

3

Why am I doing this? I asked myself again and again and again. When I was playing LoL I wanted to play for social validation. I wanted to do good so my friends would say 'thanks for carrying me'. I wanted to get to diamond so my friends could say 'nice job man'. My core value was social validation.

Also do you guys know the game 'Undertale'? It's basically a game where you can choose to spare monsters or kill them. I was playing Undertale a lot also. Because I thought I was a Saint whenever I spared the monsters. I thought I was some sort of 'hero'. I was literally gaining self-worth by helping fictional characters.

4

I got off my lazy ass and went to work out, I started eating lentils. Buckwheat and oatmeal. I always knew the benefits of eating healthy, but I never applied them. After the click, I felt so happy, I felt I could just eat healthy so easy. I didn't need any 'motivation' anymore, like omg if you eat healthy you'll be successful or whatever. I just did it because it was the logical thing to do.

Ty" source

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"age: 19

step 1: to start off, I struggled to even do step one. i felt watching documentaries was a waste of time. but i hated my 9-5 job of being a waiter. everyone treated me like shit while i was breaking my back, cleaning tables and picking up rubbish. everyday i would go home with a sore back, it was only getting worse and worse. i wanted a way out. anything--i tried many self-help things in the past, they didn't work. suddenly i felt a strong urge to try this clicking thing.

on a day where i was supposed to work, i didn't and went to the public library instead. i was lucky because you were only allowed to do educational stuff in the library. so i was forced to read the making sense reddit and logic nation wiki. i wasn't allowed to watch YouTube videos in the library so i had to read articles instead.

so i decided to do step one and read the recommended articles on the wiki. i especially enjoyed the Mathematics: The Beautiful Language of the Universe and Is the Universe Made of Math?

I was actually quite lucky to be reading this in the library. It was literally the perfect environment to read because everyone else in the library was also reading. If I was at home I surely would have just read like one paragraph and stopped. But the environment was perfect for reading and so I actually read the whole entire thing, focused, and read it till the very end.

After reading these two articles, I developed a serious unconditional trust in logic. I started seeing everything around me in maths equations and symbols, I realised that I was also a combination of maths equations and symbols. It was quite a surreal experience and quite euphoric. it was a very big catharsis

step 2 / 3: after reading these articles however, I got bored and started reading some japanese comics. When I was reading I experienced so much inner conflict and dissonance. I realised that I was reading this to feel comfortable. But I asked myself, what is the point? What will happen if I finish this story? This story isn't even real. The characters are fictional. A lot of bad things happen, then they get fixed. I'm literally creating problems by reading this comic, and then solving them by reading some more. Like for example, when the main character's girlfriend gets kidnapped by gangsters, that creates a problem which made me feel bad. Then after the main character defeats all the gangsters then he saves the girlfriend and makes mee feel good again. why am i allowing my happiness to be dictated by a fictional world created by some dude in an office? It's so artificial and so fake. It's not a fulfilling thing. I realised my core value is comfort. But I realised that to be comfortable I had to first create conflict. And I realised, wait a minute, that doesn't even make any sense. There has to be something more.

At this point I felt so depressed... As I kept reading, I felt more and more depressed because I realised it was causing me so much conflict. yet I kept reading.

Step 4: but then for some reason, something clicked. I put down the comic book. And I suddenly had a strong urge to do logical things. And I felt so good doing it. I felt so much better than reading some shitty comic books. I was learning, I was growing. I love logic. I want to keep doing logical things. It makes me feel so happy. After putting down the comic book and experiencing this click, I went back to the computers and started reading more about physics, about critical thinking, about logic, about fitness, about diet. I wanted everything. I wanted to understand everything logically.

thanks for reading!" source

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"(sorry for wall of text)

Hello there. I'm 21yrs old and from Belgium. I joined the "Athene crew" this august. I clicked after "trying" for about 1.5months and wanted to share some insights here. This post is mostly focused on overcoming mental layers that you might have with step 3.

Tldr backstory: I had comfort core value and was too comfortable in the group. This prevented me from making progress clicking, so it seemed most logic to go home and not return until I clicked.

STEP 2: I understood my core value to be comfort quite early on, before there was even such a thing as the 4 steps. This understanding was more rational than emotional. It was quite different for me to really connect to this emotionally. I really got step 2 into my awareness by using imagination. I imagined me being in certain life situation, which was represented by a room. Comfort would mean that I would be very satisfied as long as everything was provided by the room. The issue comes when you place an better room next to it. Comfort makes you cling to a situation you are familiar with. You are not motivated to seek anything else, even if you understand it's better for you. What also helped was realizing that my inaction (because of comfort) is responsible for many people suffering a lot. I imagined a large crowd watching me hopefully to help them, but I was too comfortable in my little bubble so I didn't want to help. This emotional understanding was very important in making progress for step 3.

STEP 1: This one was surprisingly hard for me. I considered myself a very rational person, yet didn't feel like logic was very safe/trustworthy. I watched all the content on the wiki, but still it didn't really sink in. What made me really connect to logic was analyzing my past. I looked at all the positive memories I had, and tried to spot what made certain experiences enjoyable. Going to the crew was a very positive thing in my life, without a doubt the best life-decision I've made. After thinking critically and debating myself for some time, I was able to connect all those positive memories to me valuing logic. If anything, comfort/fitting in was going against those positive memories. After going through this process, I felt a very deep connection to logic. I went outside for a walk in the forest and I could see the patterns in the leaves and trees. Although this brought immense joy, comfort was still very strong in me.

STEP 3: By far the hardest step for me was connecting a negative emotion to my core value. The reason for this was a lack of emotional intelligence. Throughout my childhood I was always very inward, and hesitant to show emotions to others. When I experienced emotions, I would suppress them and seek distraction. This pattern was very deeply engrained and I still feel the tendencies even after clicking. A couple of things helped me connect to my emotions (listed in order):

• Loving/kindness meditation (for those interested): This meditation is one where you channel positive emotions towards yourself, a friend, other people. This was an eye-opener for me because I was really aware of the emotions. Before this, emotions were obviously there, but I would only recognize them when they were very very strong.
• Framing conflicting ideas as "just a thing I do because I want to click" This was by far the most important layer for me to understand and push through. I would subconsciously, emotionally, believe that I was just playing pretend. It might sounds strange, but I rationally believed I was really fucking myself over by holding onto comfort, and at the same time I would not feel any negative emotions at all towards the comfort. I framed all my efforts to click in a way that is similar to how an actor would speak in a film. He can go into his script and act really well, but deep inside he knows the situation isn't real at all. Rafael's post (https://goo.gl/gK30wQ) pointed me in the right direction for this.

The way I broke through this layering, is not through reason. I understood it was an emotional process, so I looked for ways to go about it emotionally. Here's what I did:

• I would think about a short sentence and see how I responded. e.g. 'comfort is what caused all the procrastination in your life'.
• I tried to be really open-minded and catch myself putting up the frameworks. After a while a pattern became clear. It was as if my inner child would put the thoughts inside a safe bubble, where they couldn't touch the child. Inside the bubble I could reason all I wanted, as long as I didn't come too close to the core.
• The hardest part was finding a way to break through the bubble. What worked for me was "sweeping" the framework aside, as if you considered the option but declined. I would tell my inner child "no, this thing you are doing is NOT ok". Saying/doing this once didn't do much. It took many attempts and a lot of energy to learn how to get rid of the framework. After learning this mechanic, I was able to go very deep at basically any point in the day. It still took me about 10days to click after this.
• When really confronting the core, I would be very easily distracted. Usually I am quite able to focus and think clearly, but when focusing on my core value this was different. My mind would wander to random topics much quicker than usual. The thoughts never stopped, but I managed to reduce the frequency by becoming aware of the mechanic.
• The final layer - being too harsh/tense & confidence I had just read hateramos’ comment on a thread (https://goo.gl/SsvXtX) : Especially the phrase “you will probably have an easy time clicking” and “relaxed state” where very powerful to me. Because of all my attempts failing, my self-esteem became lower and lower. I was starting to accept my old life, even though I didn't really want it. The phrase “you will probably have an easy time clicking” was really powerful to me, because I knew he meant what he said. The last hurdle for me was being relaxed while at the same time experiencing the negative emotions. I had tried this before, but the layers described above were preventing me from really doing this. I noticed that I would be distracted emotionally when trying to connect the emotions to my core value. I would try to focus on the emotion, but I “slipped off” because it was too painful. My attention was repelled like when you try to put two positive magnets together. At this point, I had already seen a lot of layers, so it was much easier to overcome the mechanic.

THE CLICK: I began by bringing up the negative emotions I had, without linking them to comfort. I tried to be very non-judgmental, very relaxed. After about 5-10mins of doing this, I proceeded by gently moving my attention & these emotions towards comfort. I felt the urge to "slip-off", but didn't give in. I recognized the urge very calmly, acknowledged it, declined, and then proceeded by going over the negative emotion once again.

Next, I focused on the things science has brought for society, and connected this positive emotion to logic. I went back and forth between dissonance and resonance a couple of times, every time holding onto the negative emotions longer. After about 3-4times, I felt a sweeping motion going through my body. My mind became much clearer, as if I had bad vision and put on a pair of glasses. My background state was clearly different. I felt an immense joy, and when I accessed my core again, it didn't hurt anymore. At this point I was still skeptical because I had had many different placebo experiences. I had believed at least 3 times that "this was it, this is different", so I proceeded very cautiously.

STEP 4: About 2hours after clicking, I had a class in university scheduled and decided to go because I was unsure whether it was the real deal (despite having debated really in depth for an hour). During the lecture, I had existential questions come up but there was too much noise & distraction to answer them. The dissonance grew, I tried to stop it by telling myself everything does make sense and I just need time, but it was not enough. At this point I unclicked and I fell back into the dull background state I was in before the click. I experienced extreme anxiety and disgust, but I was able to suppress pretty well so people around me didn’t freak out. When things got a little bit more quiet (5mins later), I managed to re-click by solving my question and going through the same process of dissonance and resonance I had done before.

This unclick-reclick happened again later that day, but the disconnect from logic was less severe. This time it was because I fell into my old habits of distracting and deflecting emotions instead of trying to resolve the dissonance.

I realized later on the day that debating myself was the best way of resolving the inner conflict. Just telling myself everything makes sense is not enough. Deep understanding is what builds real trust. Thinking slower and talking to the inner child is helping a lot right now to build up my trust.

The future still looks slightly scary, but I am motivated by my previous successes and the positive emotion I will feel afterwards. My faith in logic is still in its infancy, but I expect this to improve with time. The previous click-reclick experiences give me confidence that I will be able to do the necessary work regardless of what happens.

*Conclusion: * I firmly believe that as long as you rationally want it, and experience any conflict, you can do it. You can use discipline/motivation to keep you on track, to keep you focused on your goal. What is holding you back is the mental constructs, not the "you don't really want it" narrative. Same goes for "it's too hard". Clicking itself is really easy, breaking through the layers is hard if you have lower emotional intelligence." source

Name:  zochiy

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"I’m 27 years old and from Denmark. 2016 has been a great year for me with a lot of victories. Such as a massive weight loss, and generally getting in good health. My clicking story begins 20th October the night "logic nation" video was released. I watched with great interest, and after the video I checked out the subreddit. Even though it was mentioned in the video that "comfort" was a core value, I didn’t fully absorb it. It was when I saw it in writing on the subreddit that I instantaneously made sense of it. My whole life was pretty much explained just by the two words together "comfort" and "core value". Up until then I had thought that a core value could only be a positive thing, so I believed my core value was independency or something alike. But after realizing comfort was a core value. I pretty much replayed my whole life in my head, and I could pinpoint everything to comfort. From laziness, my lack of physical activity, my desire to play video games, and most important of all, my obesity and bad state of health. At this point I experienced an incredible euphoria for the next 3 days. I spent the next 4 days consumed watching documentaries. The 4th day I had to socially interact with people again, and I expected to be this "enlightened" being and nothing could harm me, I was however to be proven very wrong. In conversation with friends, I got hurt from very mundane and trivial things they said. After the conversation, I was very confused, as I was now aware that I must not have clicked. It was only a placebo click.

Step 1: I reasoned that the reason I didn’t fully click was because my faith in logic was very low. I didn’t even get time to understand logic as defined by this community, because I instantly placebo clicked after reading that comfort was a core value. So, I spent the next 3 weeks or so reinforcing my belief in logic. I watched Cosmos, Documentaries about fractals, quantum mechanics, electromagnetism, listening to realtalk podcast and several documentaries by BBC Jim Al-Khalili. I was absolutely convinced that this whole "clicking" thing was real, because even if it was a placebo click, I would not have been able to spent 4 days entirely productively before the placebo.

Step 2: It was very easy for me to find my core value as described earlier, however I had now believed that validation was also a core value of mine. I looked back at my life being a bright young child and always getting praised for my natural "intelligence". However, as I grew older, I obviously could not rely on natural intelligence only, and would have to study and put in effort, but at that time I was not ready for that. I expected to be able to pull through anything because I was "smart". When I realized, I was not as smart as I thought, I was already a late teen, and by that time I was already deeply consumed by my "comfort" and was doing nothing but play games all day. Thinking more and more about this, made me realize that the whole validation was because of comfort in the first place. My real core value was comfort, and validation was just my way of being "comfortable" in social situations.

Step 3: After the placebo click, I was spending 3 weeks to reinforce my belief in logic. I realized after some time, that I had become happy in those 3 weeks. I was in a weird mixed mode of comfort/logic. Basically, I was still driven by comfort, but now my comfort allowed me to do logical things without me getting bored, or wanting to play games or anything of the likes. I realized this quite late, because at this point I truly felt happy with my life, being able to be productive, while still feeling rewarded from comfort. My comfort had convinced me that I was happy and didn’t have to pursue the click. However, after some meditation I couldn’t justify what good comfort would do for me, as basically everything important in life happens because of logic. When I procrastinate, and do tasks at the last possible moment, it is only because the objective reality has caught up to me, and my only option is to do the task. Without comfort, I would be able to carry out tasks without procrastination. All comfort did throughout my whole life was made me feel that “everything is fine” even though there were glaring issues, comfort made me sit down and forget about the world and its problems.

I was now fully committed to try clicking and I felt I knew how I would be able to. I basically memorized my whole life, and saw how comfort was always a part of my actions. After graduating school, I started getting addicted to video games, and all I did was try to become as good as possible at the games to get in game recognition, while forgetting about the outside world and live in my own comfort bubble. This led me to gain a lot of weight and become morbidly obese. The way I went about the click itself was probably quite unique. I tried talking to my “inner child” but it just didn’t work for me. So instead I imagined my “worst self” basically the version of me I was when comfort had consumed me the most, and compared it to a “best version” of myself, with logic as his core value. This is where the emotions absolutely overwhelmed me. I could not deny that comfort would lead me nowhere good. When I ate too much junk food, it was because of comfort making me feel good temporarily, but disregarding the long-term damage I was doing. While logic was doing what, it was designed to do in my body, and trying to keep me healthy, with the junk I my body. That was the point I started to get very emotional, my weight has been an issue for me for many years, and I had always known I couldn’t continue ignoring the issues, and finding a cause for it, rather than just accepting that “there was something wrong with me” was really eye opening. I was in an incredibly emotional state at this point. I knew that this must be the real click, so I watched a video about Fibonacci numbers while my comfort was at its weakest: video

After the video, I felt tremendous relief. I felt at ease, and the problems I envisioned in the future were no longer a thought. After the click I became a lot more emotional. If I did something that was illogical because of impulse, I would feel incredible dissonance and would have to redo it if possible. For example, before the click I was quite a messy person, being in a dirty environment didn’t bother me at all. But after the click, if I sat down on my couch while I knew I had dirty dishes waiting, I was not able to sit knowing I had something more logical to do. Also, one of the first things I did was research about animal products, and I became vegan almost instantaneously.

I was now in a state where I didn’t have to think about what to do next. It basically just came to me, and I would have to do it. Another thing was food no longer was a reoccurring thought as it usually was. I was usually the kind of person who would contemplate what I wanted to eat many times throughout the day. But after the click, I only thought about food when I felt hungry. I felt amazing for these 2 days. But unfortunately, I would have a setback.

Unclick After a couple days of pure bliss, living with logic as the core value I now had tasks to attend. But a combination of anxiety and procrastination hindered me in going out and do what I had to do. I basically went against my core value and experienced incredible dissonance. The anxiety in itself was nowhere near as predominant as it used to be, in fact the dissonance I felt from not doing what I had to do was way stronger, but I ignored it and tried doing “the second most” logical things like watch some documentaries, but I realized that I just not could shake this dissonance away before I had done my task. I didn’t do what I had to do that day, and when I woke up the next day I no longer had logic as my core value. I had basically ignored the 4th step, and it had costed me dearly. When I had, unclicked I was not completely aware for the next day and half. I spent the day doing only logical things but I would realize that I did not have the same emotional desire as I had previously, and I was using discipline to do it. When I unclicked I went back to my complete old and worst self. At this point I decided, to let comfort take the reins for some time, and use it as material to trying to click again. After only 3 days, my home looked absolutely terrible. I had done nothing productive, I went back to overeating, not working out, leaving my apartment in absolute mess. And all of that in exchange for momentarily pleasures I got from playing games and watching other forms of entertainment. I thought I would need couple of weeks to get enough material to feel equipped to try reclicking, but after 3 days I was confident I was able to. In fact my comfort was trying to make me procrastinate with the click and wait a couple of weeks, but I forced myself to go through with it, even though I now also had a great fear of clicking and losing it again forever.

Reclick The way I went about reclicking was basically comparing my 2 days with logic as my core value, and the last 3 days with comfort. It was actually incredibly easy for me to reclick and it only took 15 minutes. Again, my health was playing a big role. I knew that I had gone back to my worst self in terms of overeating, and it would lead to getting fat again If I let comfort control me. And on the other hand, logic would only move me forward. I would be able to do everything I had to do without procrastination, I would be able to understand the world, to be productive without forcing myself with discipline. Comparing these two scenarios I again felt immense negative emotions towards comfort as I did in the first click. This time I also watched the same Fibonacci video, and afterwards I meditated and tried to see if I had really clicked. I reasoned it was pretty pointless though, because I knew exactly how it felt having logic as core value, and the emotional drive I previously had to do logical decisions. So, I just went on with my day, to see if I had really clicked or not. First thing I did was clean my home without effort. Afterwards I did math I wanted to do for a while. I had incredible clarity, and understood it without easily. When I was done, I did my exercises I had neglected the last 3 days. This also came easy to me and required no discipline. When I was done, exercising I researched about vegan nutrition, and went to the marked to buy what I needed to sustain a healthy plant based diet. When I got back home I started reading “Real Answers” very thoroughly, watching videos about concept I didn’t understand while reading. I could now sincerely say I had an emotional drive to understand everything.

The day after I woke up after just 5 hours of sleep, was not tired and woke up immediately. First thing I did was go out and do some task I had previously procrastinated about, and when I got home I watched a documentary and now writing this testimony in the hopes of being able to help others click. I am absolutely aware how important the 4th step is now, and I have no intentions of going against my emotional logical drives.

Aftermath: I am currently restructuring my life. I have decided to learn about the human anatomy. It is eye opening how much I took my own body for granted, consumed absolute junk, and just expecting everything to be fine. I want to learn and understand how every system in my body functions. This obviously has an emotional importance to me as I was previously very unhealthy.

Secondly, I need to sort out my financial situation. I have a debt I need to pay, and need to figure out the most effective way to go about that. I also realize that the environment plays a big role in how we progress, and applying to the crew would be the most logical step, but I need to become financially independent first.

Lastly, I still experience remnants of the past. However, I am now very well equipped to deal with them. When my thoughts sometimes ponder about unimportant things, I can observe my thoughts as an observer and simply smile at them. Also, I feel like I can control and stop useless thoughts I have.

Thank you for reading about my journey, and good luck with clicking. It is absolutely real, and will change your life if you put in the effort, and approach it with an open mind." source

Name:  lingonga

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"Hello, I live in Uruguay and I am 22 years old. This is the story of how I got the click. Several months ago, I listened to Athene's podcast with admiration. I want to change the world, improve it. The idea that our environment is what makes us and therefore we are this environment was an idea that I loved and altered my way of living day to day. However, I noticed in Athene and other successful figures an ingredient that I lacked. This frustrated me and made me fall into the routine once more, then I would remember but not do anything about it, which caused more annoyance.

A week ago I returned to watch Athene's videos when I noticed that they stopped being about his streaming platform . I understood quite quickly what it was about and I was fascinated to have found that missing ingredient. After speaking with a clicker on discord I had what I like to call a pre-click: it was a placebo click that helped me complete step 1 and also generate positive experiences taking a logical path in my actions, these actions played a fundamental role in Step 3. When I lived this pre-click I went to my house and uninstalled all my pc games, games that I put before my obligations and preferred before my development as a person. That day I felt VERY good.

The next day I joined a friend who I had already commented on my previous frustrations and I talked about this new approach. While debating on the subject, many questions emerged, situations that I had not considered such as: what would happen to my girlfriend? I'm in a happy 3-year-long relationship, if I make this click would my new way of thinking get rid of her? I returned to my house and I told a clicker, he told me what I basically knew: "what is more important, improving humanity or being with your girlfriend?". Then, the next day, I asked her to talk about this. We had already talked about how our life goals were not the same and how, ultimately, could mean separation. She took this reminder in a very logical and calm way. This let me calm down and then it occurred to me that she could click too.

Identifying my core value was hard. I listened the meditation for Step 2 but I had to listen to it a second time for it to be effective (the unpredictability of what happens deconcentrated me). I thought about it for a while, hours with the idea in my head trying to decipher it. Eventually it became clearer when I was completely honest with myself: it was validation. I understood that several of my memories that I most detested were directly related to that and how I put myself in disadvantageous situations just so that others had a better image of me. Even the reason why I wanted to change the world was related to this, it was interesting to recognize it.

Step 3 was undoubtedly the most difficult, but I could find a method that I hope will serve you: The first thing I did was try to remember those moments that helped me to identify my previous core value, memories to which I felt anger and hatred. Secondly was to remember how that pre-click day was and how good I felt deleting those games, I absorbed that experience emotionally and it gave me a lot of satisfaction. Then I began to interweave these emotions, first I remembered those bad moments and I felt that anger and hatred, then I went to my pre-click memory, then I returned to the bad moment and so several times. I repeated this process until I emotionally understood and relied on logic and the change was made. It was not a spontaneous changeover but rather a smooth transition where the previous core value was fading and my inner child was grabbing this new value that became stronger.

After the click I felt free. Now nothing bothers me as before. I can get up early, go to the gym, all with no problem. What happened to me several times was that I found my body doing involuntary acts that corresponded to my previous self, there I understood the importance of step 4, re-think what surrounds you, which I am still in process to strengthen my logic. I also felt that I had to tell my friend and my girlfriend.

Thanks for reading and I hope this helps." source