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[–]spez[S,A] 1176 points1177 points1178 points  (506 children)
It's fair. Ellen wasn't the first Reddit engineer, so she probably lacked the expertise to do it, and even if she did, she was smart enough to not.
[–]ekjp 1565 points1566 points1567 points x2 (233 children)
Yeah, there's no comparison. I would have immediately fired anyone who did that.
[–]ekjp 97 points98 points99 points  (11 children)
Got anything for this, u/BobeHarvard?
[–]FritzBittenfeld 19 points20 points21 points  (2 children)
We miss you Ellen. Well, I do.
[–]mizu4444 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
You're the only one.
[–]CptTinman 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
While I hate everything that happened in that time period, you do realize that it turned out she was responsible for pretty much none of it, right?
[–]BobeHarvard 20 points21 points22 points  (5 children)
Is that....Pasta?
[–]CuriouslyInept 25 points26 points27 points  (4 children)
something, something popcorn.
[–]CuriouslyInept 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
Made most relevant, I think, by the /u/kn0thing response when things were burning down on Pao.
So... this is a burn on /u/kn0thing
[–]xPurplepatchx 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Toasting in epic bread
[–]blaaaahhhhh 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Geesus
[–]Fleckeri 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
So, uh, while you're in the neighborhood Ellen, any comment on these words from an old friend of yours?
[–]bobcat 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
You rascal, you, making us hate you less. C'mere ::hug::!
[–]sje46 206 points207 points208 points  (34 children)
^ This is Ellen Pao if anyone is wondering.
[–]DICKPIXTHROWAWAY 101 points102 points103 points  (31 children)
Ellen Pao is a former Reddit CEO if anyone is wondering.
[–]ninjacereal 175 points176 points177 points  (26 children)
Reddit is the website you are currently browsing if anyone is wondering.
[–]Snapfoot 71 points72 points73 points  (24 children)
A website is a page of the internet if anyone is wondering.
[–]MacGyverMacGuffin 80 points81 points82 points  (23 children)
The internet is a series of tubes, if anyone is wondering.
[–]stiggystoned369 44 points45 points46 points  (13 children)
A tube is a hollow cylinder, if any one is wondering.
[–]BattleAxeNelson 30 points31 points32 points  (5 children)
A cylinder is a tall circle in case anyone was wondering
[–]mathisawsome2213 23 points24 points25 points  (0 children)
Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell if anyone is wondering
[–]Sackyhack 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
A circle is a shape whose sides are equidistant from its center
[–]uhdust 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
A circle is a 2-dimensional shape made by drawing a curve that is always the same distance from a center in case anyone was wondering.
[–]Telespaulocaster 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
I had pasta for dinner, If anyone is wondering.
[–]eliskandar 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I was actually dying to know this, if anyone was wondering.
[–]FLSverker 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I'm a vegan, if anybody is wondering.
[–]aaronr93 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
A hollow cylinder is a curvilinear geometric shape, if anyone is wondering.
[–]fuzzlebuzzle 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Geometry is a way of describing shapes, if your wondering
[–]beethovensnowman 15 points16 points17 points  (2 children)
Tubes are how you travel from world to world if you're a plumber, if anyone was wondering.
[–]matthewsmazes 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Plumbers are people who have a job, if anyone was wondering.
[–]HiimCaysE 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
It's-a me!
[–]LornAltElthMer 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Yeah, all of that's fine, but who the heck are you and how did you get here?
[–]GBGF128 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
And who is going to fix this hole in the wall?! My dad is gonna beat me!
[–]ImSmartIWantRespect 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
starting to feel like we took the red pill here
[–]CothranTyson 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Actually, it's just a series of connected devices (including yours). The underwater tubes just help distribute the signals, but aren't necessary for the internet to function
[–]ConcentricSD 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
The internet is also the brainchild of a Mr Al Gore.
[–]freelance_fox 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Series of tubes were invented by Al Gore, if anyone is wondering.
[–]Mr_Industrial 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
What? This is crazy!
[–]DieTheVillain 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Reddit is the website you are reading all this on if anyone is wondering
[–]HEARTOFABORTION 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
She got fucked for doing crazy shit... if anyone is wondering
[–]HIGHENERGYBASTARD 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Bears got their name from a football team in Chicago.
[–]EllenKungPao 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
thanks for enlightening
[–]11181514 122 points123 points124 points  (4 children)
Pao! Right in the kisser!
[–]kungfoojesus 16 points17 points18 points  (3 children)
Pao! Right in the kisser!
[–]Russian_For_Rent 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
Pao! Right in the kisser!
Pao! Right in the kisser!
[–]Denamic 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
Pao! Right in the kisser!
Pao! Right in the kisser!
Pao! Right in the kisser!
[–]LvnSuede 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Pao! Right in the kisser
[–]Oh_Hi_Mark_ 109 points110 points111 points  (45 children)
I'm sure you hear it relatively frequently, but I and (I imagine) the vast majority of reddit users thought the campaign against you was one of the stupidest things I'd ever seen here.
Also, even though you didn't have much to do with it, I appreciate not having to see FPH on my front page any more.
[–]anddicksays 96 points97 points98 points  (5 children)
You gotta admit, she handled criticism much better then /u/spez does
[–]gigantic_meaty_balls 27 points28 points29 points  (1 child)
Ellen Pao was a massive patsy for Ohanian.
[–]anothercarguy -17 points-16 points-15 points  (1 child)
she also threw a fit over death threats. I mean come on, its the internet. A death threat just means someone read something you wrote. Everytime I get guilded I get at least one.
[–]hariolus 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Yeah ok buddy
[–]gargoyle_mayonnaise 30 points31 points32 points  (18 children)
am I the only one who's known about RES and filtering for like, the last 6 years or whatever?
[–]inh-uman 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
There's a lot of people that browse on their phone, and don't want to install invidual apps for each damned website that they visit. Web design has come a long way since the days of Livejournal and Livejournal clients, and there's no good excuse to not have a fully featured and flexible mobile site.
[–]yousirname89 1 point2 points3 points  (11 children)
It's less about what you see and more about wanting to control what others see
[–]gargoyle_mayonnaise 3 points4 points5 points  (10 children)
I know that and that's why all the shrieking from Trump haters has pissed me off way more than his supporters.
If you don't like Trump it's not hard to ignore his shit. Just filter the handful of Trump subreddits. But that was never the problem. The problem is his critics don't want other people to see it either. Because they might form their own opinions, you know, wrong opinions.
[–]Panzerdrek -4 points-3 points-2 points  (9 children)
That would be great if politics didn't have real world consequences. If you genuinely believe Trump it's add dangerous as I and many others do, it is rather irresponsible to just ignore what's happening. If nothing else, white nationalism and actual fascist thinking is making a sudden disturbing resurgence. Even if you don't think Trump has those intentions (I think he's just a light authoritarian) he has empowered many who have that motive and now actual opportunity. I sure as fuck won't just ignore that.
[–]gargoyle_mayonnaise 13 points14 points15 points  (6 children)
Trump was one of two candidates for US president. One of two. (forget the green and libertarian party).
So if you honestly believe that censoring Trump and his supporters across all of social media is how you defend against fascism, you're already a fucking fascist. You are basically advocating for only ONE political candidate to have a presence on social media.
Because it's not just happening on reddit, it happened on Twitter, on FB, even Google was manipulating search results and auto-completion manually to be skewed against Trump.
This is worse authoritarianism than Trump has exhibited. Trump may have tried to bully and harass media outlets who disparage him, but Hillary and her supporters have succeeded. They and people like you who feel that you know better than others what information the common folk ought to be exposed to, are the poison that is driving independent voters the fuck away from the Democratic Party.
And I say this as a life long, straight ticket voting Dem and also banned from /r/the_donald.
[–]Panzerdrek -5 points-4 points-3 points  (5 children)
You say that like a) this isn't exactly the MO of the_Donald ( who are apparently magically exempt from this standard) and b) like this has anything to do with Hillary Clinton and c) that Spez it's engaging in a sustained effort to censor when it's possibly obvious it was a one time lapse in judgment. Equating that with actual censorship is completely overblown rhetoric and shows no meaningful understanding of the idea
Lastly, this is a private site. And much like Breitbert, they can use those platform however they choose. Unlike Breitbert, they don't actually do that. They let idiots continually troll the rest of the userbase, precisely because they conflate that with free speech, as if any curated environment is inherently oppressive. Any substantive debate will never happen when the most empowered people are those that act in bad faith. And yeah, in this instance that's what Spez did, but as an actual political tactic that's how the Donald operates every single day. The more you just shrug as people like that trample over the basic principles of civic decency and the worse this is going to get. Shitty people will ruin things for everyone else given the opportunity. There is no actual principle at work here, no nobility, just a small group of awful people taking advantage of a larger groups anger and leveraging it to destroy whatever they don't like. Fuck that.
[–]lawandhodorsvu 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
There are other options but by censoring and isolating a group you are only going to strengthen their resolve and push those sympathic folks in the middle away from your side. Exactly what happened in the election.
[–]FLSverker 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
The only reason "fascists" feel emboldened by Donald Trump's victory is because of the massive multi-billion dollar campaign waged by the mainstream media to represent Donald Trump as the next coming of Benito Mussolini.
This is incredible irony, because the merging of corporation and state interests, while attempting to intimidate the opposition through force, facilitates fascism in real world contexts. Only one candidate had their rallies shut down by violent protesters...
For heaven's sake, Eric Trump said that David Duke should be shot. You really think that's a sign of accommodation and empowerment? It's a tiny fraction of people. The real concern should be focused on the Americans who have been psychologically manipulated and harmed by the mainstream media in order to advance a political agenda.
The word "fascism" means nothing anymore. George Orwell on "What is Fascism?".
[–]Oh_Hi_Mark_ 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I found out about it during that debacle, thankfully. It was hard to keep up, though. The internet is always developing new strains of unpleasantness, and I am lazy and forgetful.
[–]anothercarguy 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
spez was being a douche. He could have pushed people to RES and told them to filter T_D, instead he acted and continues to act like a child. He is an engineer, not CEO material. Get someone with a sales background in that seat. He can be president.
[–]CptTinman 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Engineers solve problems. He tried a solution, and it sucked HORRIBLY. Oh well. The ramifications of what he did are huge, but they can't be changed. What's done is done.
Sales people, on the other hand, whisper sweet nothings in your ear, and nothing happens. I don't want an ineffective CEO
[–]twoVices -19 points-18 points-17 points  (2 children)
redditor for one year
Solipsism or narcissism?
[–]gargoyle_mayonnaise 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
uh, I have more than one account
[–]twoVices -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Awesome!
[–]Donald_Keyman 6 points7 points8 points  (12 children)
Lol if FPH was on your front page that means you were subscribed to it.
[–]tha_dood 6 points7 points8 points  (7 children)
Never heard of /r/all I take it? Some people use that as their front page. It basically is the front page.
[–]Donald_Keyman 11 points12 points13 points  (6 children)
There is literally a section called "Front Page" that is exclusively subs you have subscribed to.
If you are talking about /r/all or the top of reddit, then say that.
[–]TosieRose 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
i hear you have good gifs
[–][deleted]  (4 children)
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    [–]Oh_Hi_Mark_ 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Good call, I suppose I meant r/all
    [–]Frog-sack -4 points-3 points-2 points  (2 children)
    Hmmmm... Nope. I've never subscribed to a bunch of subs that constantly appear on my front page.
    [–]Mysta02 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Everyone is subcribed to a certain number of "default subs" when they first sign up. Which subs are defaults changes from time to time, but it's things like /r/politics, /r/technology, /r/funny, /r/atheism, etc.
    [–]Ender_Fedaykin 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Not sure if you're arguing semantics between manually subscribing to a sub yourself, or being subscribed via a default sub, but regardless you are subscribed to it if it's showing up on your Front Page.
    [–]-Tommy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I want her back. She would have axed off r/the_Donald months ago and would have just ignored the people who complained.
    [–]SteveHuffmanIsABitch -13 points-12 points-11 points  (5 children)
    She won't suck your dick. She'd probably just sue you for sexism to fund her husband's ponzi scheme, just like before.
    [–]Oh_Hi_Mark_ 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
    Nice to be reminded of how little I have to see these comments now. At least the new assholes are fun.
    [–]SteveHuffmanIsABitch -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
    What do you mean? We're not going away.
    [–]ThiefOfDens 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    Ah, that's when you know you've made it in life. Anonymous strangers start creating usernames just to insult you.
    [–]SteveHuffmanIsABitch 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    This account isn't for you.
    [–]ThiefOfDens 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Clearly, or it would be ThiefOfDensIsABitch
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    [–]InterdimensionalTV 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    My mouth started burning reading this list. Spicy bro.
    [–]Actinism 25 points26 points27 points  (2 children)
    zing.
    [–]gortonsfiJr 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
    no, Pao!
    [–]NotSoKosher -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    Right in the kisser!
    [–]NolanOnTheRiver 25 points26 points27 points  (0 children)
    POPCORN TASTES GOOD
    [–]DickinBimbos 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
    Ka-Pao!
    [–]30plus1 19 points20 points21 points  (2 children)
    WTF? I love Pao now?
    [–]Antrikshy 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    I love how hive-mind preferences are so binary.
    [–]30plus1 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    It's not the "hive-mind" (whatever the fuck that is). It's human nature.
    But I was being tongue-in-cheek. Or at least attempting to be.
    [–]philmoskowitz 19 points20 points21 points  (17 children)
    This is someone I never thought I'd agree with. What really gets under my skin is that this is the absolute height of unprofessionalism and the people on reddit are trying to pass it off as banter, or a prank. When what it really does is undermine the entire legitimacy of the site in an incredibly reckless act. This is the parenting equivalent of leaving your child in the car on a hot day while you get a beer.
    [–]IAMUglyAMA 2 points3 points4 points  (15 children)
    Wait what? This is the parenting equivalent of the "masking tape across the doorway prank" in that one person thought it a harmless and humorous prank to play, but the children in this analogy feel it was unfunny and undermines trust. Nobody was actually hurt or affected outside of the perception of trust.
    [–]Philoso4 5 points6 points7 points  (9 children)
    This is the financial equivalent of manipulating interest rates. People might not have been hurt by it in the sense of pain, but erosion of trust is a big deal.
    [–]shotgunwizard 4 points5 points6 points  (7 children)
    No it's not. That's a bad analogy. Is the equivalent of the principle peeping into the classroom and shooting a spitball at a class bully who's been fucking up the classroom for everyone that's trying to learn.
    [–]FullAmpleSally 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Not even. This is the principal forging a note with a student's name on it, with the content of the note insulting the student's teacher. It doesnt matter if, in your opinion, it was the bully or the class clown - that part is irrelevant.
    [–]philmoskowitz 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
    If your desire is to infantilize this entire site and the entire concept of a CEO position in a technology company then you are absolutely correct. It's a prank, bro. Reddit is middle school and weeeeeeee.
    I guess we really shouldn't take the new economy, information curation and the concept of information sharing seriously these days because we're all just adult children.
    [–]shotgunwizard -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
    I'm all for a conversation on the matter, but the sensationalist claim of "OMG CENSORSHIP" does not fit.
    I think you're comment about "ifantilizing this entire site and entire concept of CEO" is a much better way of putting it.
    Is it immature? Yes. Is it a conspiracy to suppress the truth? No.
    [–]philmoskowitz 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
    Who said it was about suppressing anything? It was just wildly unprofessional to edit another users post regardless of seriousness of content. I know Reddit isn't a court document, but it should be treated as inviolable or the entire fucking site is a joke and should be ignored and abandoned. Where did you get 'conspiracy' 'truth' or 'suppression'?
    This is ALL about corrupting the conversation, no matter how trivial or serious.
    [–]IAMUglyAMA 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I'm not saying it's not a big deal, but no children were killed due to negligence. And I know "it's an analogy not literal children" that's why I offered a more accurate one.
    [–]triception 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
    Nobody was actually hurt or affected outside of the perception of trust.
    Clearly you never witnessed the masking tape prank in person? We got really hurt pretty much every time
    [–]eliskandar 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    We got really hurt pretty much every time
    Someone needs a hug
    [–]IAMUglyAMA -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    Well yeah, and feelings were potentially hurt here as well. But nobody was locked in a car and baked alive (or anything equally extreme because these are obviously analogies.)
    [–]redlumxof 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Couldn't agree more. I was completely shocked by how little people in the comments section of his most recent announcement seemed to care about the site-changing implications of what he did.
    [–]leftmiddlefinger 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
    Yup. In a real company /u/spez would be terminated.
    [–]Snapfoot 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
    How come you dont have a fancy red triangle, Miss Pao?
    [–]Blasphemouse 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Why did I have to go this far down to find this?
    [–]brisketnl 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Ellen: What is your favourite subreddit, and why is it /r/youtubehaiku?
    [–]thought_person 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Please come back Ellen, we need someone to fire /u/spez
    [–]kaelone1 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Do you like popcorn?
    [–]CothranTyson 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    OH, WHAT A LOVELY DAY
    [–]NoBreaksTrumpTrain 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Apparently we all owe you an apology Ms. Pao.
    [–]rickroy37 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    Quick, spez! Better edit her comment! /s
    [–]ThrowAwayHRC 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    As has been echoed, I think you were unjustly ridiculed and scapegoated. I'm glad you spoke up here, because you're right. You would have removed anyone who tried to interfere with the organic nature of the site.
    Sometimes you don't know what you got until it's gone.....
    [–]Zebba_Odirnapal 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    How do you feel about /u/spez attempting to remain CEO in spite of what happened?
    Do you ever feel that you were set up as a strawman-CEO to take the fall?
    [–]morpen 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    BASED REDDIT MOM DOES IT AGAIN
    [–]ellen_pao 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Ellen !!!
    [–]bljwmn 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Leadership.
    [–]Theelout 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    wtf i love Ellen Pao now
    really makes u think
    [–]ryoushi19 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    So, how does it feel to be on the outside perspective of a Reddit controversy this time?
    [–]anothercarguy 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I didn't realize you were still active on the site. I thought this was a copycat username when I first saw it, glad I reread. TIL
    [–]youssarian 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    oh shit
    [–]freelance_fox 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    HOLY SHIT THE ABSOLUTE MADWOMAN
    Respect
    [–]PumkinSmasher 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I miss you.
    [–]Chadwiko 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Did anyone else see the link to here from /r/BestOf which now appears to have been deleted?!
    [–]camdoodlebop 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    ELLEN PLEASE COME BACK WE'RE SORRY
    [–]Nickx000x 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    /u/spez BTFO!
    [–]SigmaTheDJ 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    /u/spez and /u/kn0thing are a pair of utterly spineless cunts that used you as a scapegoat.
    [–]KiwiNull 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    come back chairwoman pao. there is no new reddit without the pao party.
    [–]Cephalobeard 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I never thought I'd praise the Pao, but holy wow.
    [–]therealmofnay 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Well said!
    [–]Funkoma 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Well, we all know what happened the last time you fired someone from Reddit ;)
    [–]ionlyeatburgers -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Yeah me too. Except I am also not CEO of reddit.
    [–]President-of-Reddit 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    OMG. PLEASE GET ELLEN BACK IMMEDIATELY!!!!! FIRE HIS ASS! I'M WITH HER!!! (AS A F_I_R_M Trump and the_donald supporter I never thought I would say that)
    [–]Wargazm 500 points501 points502 points  (174 children)
    How do you feel about the reactions in this thread compared to the widespread hate Pao got? It seems like most people here are basically saying "oh you rascal, don't you do it again."
    Honestly, I thought I was going to jump into the comments here and see you being eviscerated.
    [–]tracy_martell 243 points244 points245 points  (38 children)
    It's your old friend ~s e x i s m~
    [–]Kaghuros 76 points77 points78 points  (7 children)
    Redditors in general agreed with spez more because he was targeting a subreddit they hate.
    [–]srkambbs1 17 points18 points19 points  (1 child)
    Common hate makes you friends.
    [–]Moruitelda 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Or, as the ancient proverb goes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
    [–]hobbycollector 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
    Should be Por qué. Porque means because, not why. Also dos is two, ambos is both, though it's possible to say it that way, because Spanish doesn't get all that hung up on nuance. The word "increíble" can mean incredible, unbelievable, and implausible, each of which has nuances of meaning in English. If you want nuance in Spanish, say more words.
    [–]Kiloku 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Well, I didn't create the image, but thanks anyway, I learned a lot. I speak Portuguese, so I should have noticed the por qué vs. porque (we have a similar rule)
    [–]Moruitelda 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Should be Por qué. Porque means because, not why.
    Yep.
    Also dos is two, ambos is both, though it's possible to say it that way, because Spanish doesn't get all that hung up on nuance.
    It could have been phrased that way, but in the commercial, the girl says, "Por que no los dos."
    [–]hobbycollector 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I've only seen the meme.
    [–]signal_supreme 54 points55 points56 points  (2 children)
    According to reddit, sexism and racism don't exist anymore.
    [–]abasslinelow 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Strange. Every other comment I see on Reddit is an accusation of bigotry.
    [–]canadademon -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
    WTF are you smoking. Those are brought up at every chance.
    [–]Muffinsco 38 points39 points40 points  (0 children)
    I think it's a combination of both. What spez did was dumb, but I think most of us are equally frustrated with TD.
    [–]HolidayHowlett 30 points31 points32 points  (11 children)
    Or it's the fact that most people agree with what he did all because of the source.
    [–]BlackHumor 70 points71 points72 points  (4 children)
    The subs Pao banned (or I should say, the subs banned under Pao) were significantly more vile than The_Donald. TD is annoying, but it at least has a legitimate purpose outside of just spewing hate. But FPH was literally just a hate sub, there was no way to sugarcoat it, and yet people did.
    (I do think part of the problem is that the Pao bannings were a lot more heavy handed; it's not just sexism that's making spez so much more popular, though it is a lot of sexism.)
    [–]whatever765432 27 points28 points29 points  (0 children)
    FPH was literally just a hate sub
    And the fact that it had "hate" in its name is somewhat of a clue.
    [–]Atomisk_Kun 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    Almost nobody saw FPH tho, TD is everywhere across reddit.
    [–]Moruitelda 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    I think that FPH was given a little less time to fester, so people weren't as sick of it. If T_D got this kind of treatment 6-8 months ago, it might be a different story.
    [–]redditkulous 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    TD also has over 300k subs. Probably factors in
    [–]Dirjjjj 62 points63 points64 points  (5 children)
    yet most people don't agree with the banning of massive hate subs? Then shit talked her when she was one of the only people AGAINST the ban
    [–]PM_TITS4FUNNYDICKPIC -7 points-6 points-5 points  (4 children)
    Well I still say fuck spez and fuck Pao. I don't want any sub that isn't illegal banned. I want Reddit to be a free speech platform like before, not a "free speech except what I don't like" platform. But at this point I realized it's a losing battle, the only person who would have given a shit about free speech that was a higher up at Reddit is dead so it's over now.
    [–]Dirjjjj 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
    9 years ago spez edited the word "fag" and said that hate speech is not tolerated on Reddit.
    Reddit was never a free speech platform or there would be no mods
    If you want free speech go to the cesspool that is voat
    [–]dromadika 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    I am old and out of touch...and so i looked...need bleach.
    [–]redditkulous -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    I can't say that I haven't noticed it gravitating more and more towards an all-out hugfest
    [–]PM_TITS4FUNNYDICKPIC 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    As would be expected, nobody outside of the Donald likes the Donald. All the people who were outraged the first time it happened are out of steam, all the people who were happy and willing to praise a CEO of a company like they give a singular fuck about them will continue to do so.
    So ya, if I saw spez in person I'd tell him the same thing I'd tell Pao. You should stop telling people what they can and can't say.
    [–]Ekudar 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Or maybe the majority of the site that cares about admin drama hates the_Donald
    [–]TIFUbyredditting 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Not really. The things Pao did were a lot more obvious and many users saw the effects all over their front page while what /u/spez did was (up until this point) only really visible if you browsed /r/all, /r/the_donald, you sub to various drama subs or you browsed /u/spez's profile directly.
    [–]Wargazm 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    well of course.
    [–]GarrioValere -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    /r/The_Donald users are the least sexist, calling for u/spez's head on a platter.
    [–]jonhova 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    You must not get around much
    [–]kingfagit -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    "Sexism" has been worn down to the nub. It doesn't actually mean anything anymore. More people don't mind what u/spez did because hating Trump and his supporters is a popular opinion. Don't be so dense.
    [–]AstronautJonze -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
    This baseless, knee-jerk response is Reddit in a nutshell and why r/the_donald exists.
    [–]programmerjim321 -8 points-7 points-6 points  (1 child)
    no it isn't come on, spez has the cred to make mistakes, pao had all kinds of ulterior motives going on
    [–]jamiesg 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    She hadn't built up goodwill with community, sure. The only motive she had was to make reddit a bit better for advertising.
    [–]OhLookALiar -15 points-14 points-13 points  (3 children)
    1) She actually banned a subreddit with little to no evidence of harassment, most likely based on the business relationships between Imgur and Reddit.
    2) She posted everywhere about how she wanted to make Reddit a safe space and protect people from harassment, especially women. Meanwhile stories circulated about how she treated staff, including firing someone because their cancer was making it hard for them to "fulfill their duties."
    3) She filed frivolous sex discrimination lawsuits after she had received preferential treatment over other staff.
    4) She was aware of her husband's role in a Ponzi scheme and had even requested the amount of compensation from her frivolous lawsuit cover his own outstanding costs.
    5) She abused her position to delete any news posts about her husband's lawsuit being posted on Reddit.
    So yeah, mad crazy levels of sexism at work.
    [–]kris10leigh 23 points24 points25 points  (2 children)
    little to no evidence of harassment
    I'm fat and had my instagram/facebook photos posted on fatpeoplehate a few times. I always knew when it happened because I would suddenly get an influx of shitty PMs and comments across social media, frequently even direct links to the posts. This stuff was documented to admins very thoroughly. It didn't get shown around public subs for everyday users to see as much because people just don't tend to want to publicly identify themselves as fat online right after receiving online harassment for being fat. I'm feeling that anxiety just typing this public comment right now!
    [–]OhLookALiar comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (1 child)
    I guess I'll have to take your word for it.
    Still, I agree that isn't acceptable and should be shut down. It sucks that it happened to you. It begs the question why moderators are allowed to engage in the same behaviour without any consequences though. And I could introduce you to people who have had their lives made a misery for months on end by co-ordinated harassment from SRS.
    Reddit do not consistently enforce their rules and play favourites.
    Anyway, be well, be happy and don't be anxious. The people who harassed you obviously had their own issues and insecurities.
    [–]kris10leigh 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    I agree that the rules should be applied evenly. Harassment isn't okay, regardless of the excuse people are latching onto to justify their bullying.
    [–]jonlucc 134 points135 points136 points  (19 children)
    A good chunk of that might be to do with how people feel about the subreddit in question.
    [–]arghhmonsters 53 points54 points55 points  (17 children)
    Bit sad when it seems people must have loved fatpeoplehate and coontown then.
    [–]IShavedMyNutsForThis 65 points66 points67 points  (0 children)
    As despicable as those subs were, I don't think they reached nearly the same level of brigading and r/all saturation.
    Good riddance, I say.
    [–]flamingcanine 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
    The main difference is that FPH and CT more or less hid in their corners and brigaded into other subs. They were less in your face and more of an insidious "There's a spah around here" situation. The average redditor really wasn't aware of them as anything more than trolls.
    Compared to the Donald, which continually shoved bullshit onto the front page by abusing stickies, and was incredibly obvious. People had a name to put to the tactics that was easily identified.
    Finally, the end effects are rather mild: A few people got temp-banned, the exploit got removed, and Spez was like "it was a big joke, sorry" and changed the thing that caused the flipout.
    [–]Paddy_Tanninger 14 points15 points16 points  (13 children)
    It was pretty different...fatpeoplehate didn't start out as a completely shitstain subreddit, it started out as a place that should have been called something more like "shit healthy-at-any-size people say". It was about criticizing people not because they were overweight, people trying to spread unhealthy messages over social media and all that shit.
    It then devolved into simply "THIS GUY IS FAT EVERYONE LAUGH AT HIM" which is fucked up.
    They also weren't deliberately front paging every single post of theirs and all that other shit T_D is famous for.
    [–]IVIaskerade 9 points10 points11 points  (12 children)
    it started out as a place that should have been called something more like "shit healthy-at-any-size people say".
    Don't try and softball it. FPH was always about hating fat people. There was a lot of "shit HAES says" content on there, but the #1 rule was always "you must hate fat people to post here".
    By trying to pretend it was something other than what it was, we actually devalue it. FatPeopleHate was great.
    [–]Gigadweeb 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    FatPeopleHate was great.
    Really, dude? I'm sorry, but as a fat dude, I don't need people telling me how I'm worth less as a human being because of it.
    [–]IVIaskerade -7 points-6 points-5 points  (0 children)
    I don't need people telling me
    Hey man, as long as you recognise it.
    Also, if you don't want to be shamed for being fat, there was a great way to avoid it which was called not going to FPH if you're fat.
    [–]bhutos 1 point2 points3 points  (7 children)
    Yeah, they really went OP on the hate aspect. There was no quarter.. Tolerance of even a few pounds extra was ban worthy. I would actually have preferred if it was toned down a bit and more "Shit HAES says" than a creed. That said it was razor sharp in it's focus. They tolerated no hate on ANY other subject. I saw people called out for homophobia, transphobia, sympathy for people with self abuse all kinds of things. It was a weird community of nice tolerant people that went zero to Hitler if someone was 10lbs over ideal body weight.
    [–]IVIaskerade -12 points-11 points-10 points  (6 children)
    Tolerance of even a few pounds extra was ban worthy. I
    As it should have been. There is no such thing as "a few extra pounds" there is "fat" and there is "not fat".
    [–]bhutos 7 points8 points9 points  (5 children)
    Nah, there is a thing as "a few extra pounds". You can be ideal BMI at ~21, have a few extra pounds and be BMI 22-23 and not be fat. I'm being very literal. Not dating profile "a few extra pounds", a literal few extra pounds that doesn't get you close up to an overweight BMI.
    edit I actually just checked mine. I'm BMI 21.8 and know for a fact at BMI 23.5 (+ ~10lbs) I'm still pretty slim. In fact I probably look a little better and less emaciated than I do.
    [–]Paddy_Tanninger 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    That stuff I'm sure always existed, but from memory their upvoted content originally was all something to do with bashing HAES and was often posts I'd see and go "yeah! pizza days at planet fitness IS stupid!"
    Then after a while...it wasn't. Top posts would just be creepshots of fat people on the street.
    [–]Karmaisthedevil 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    There was always /r/fatlogic for that kind of stuff. Whenever I went to FPH it was always 100% hate.
    [–]IVIaskerade -6 points-5 points-4 points  (0 children)
    FatPeopleHate dindu nuffin rong.
    [–]Reddisaurusrekts -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
    So again, most people have "feelings > principles". Not too surprising, if still depressing.
    [–]lotus_bubo 127 points128 points129 points  (37 children)
    Dehumanization is a powerful thing. People easily turn a blind eye to something they consider wrong as long as it's against the right victim, someone they felt had it coming.
    How else do you think racial violence happens? They're not cartoon villains twirling their mustaches, reveling in their evil deeds. They sincerely feel justice was done.
    I don't what spez did was anything remotely as bad at that, but the dynamic that lets people be ok with it is the same here.
    [–]armoured_bobandi 45 points46 points47 points  (16 children)
    It's not even what they actually did that is bad. It's the fact that they did it at all. Someone like Spez is supposed to provide an example for how they want users to behave on the site. If they are screwing around with code to "troll the trolls" who is to say every user shouldn't do something like that.
    You are supposed to lead by example, and this is an extremely poor example
    [–]lotus_bubo 17 points18 points19 points  (15 children)
    It wasn't even a very good prank. If it had been hilarious, maybe it would've worked.
    I've actually been in a similar situation and I decided to troll the trolls by elaborately gaining the sympathy and friendship of the "leader" of the group, only to reveal it was all a prank in a very vulgar and embarrassing way. And it worked, I ended up actually gaining his respect and recruiting the group to advocate for the community.
    /u/spez, your joke just wasn't all that good. If you want trolls to respect your trolling, you have to beat them at their own game with cunning and wit, not with DB access.
    [–]ChocolateRainbow375 8 points9 points10 points  (10 children)
    It wasn't a prank and he wasn't trolling. He's saying that now that he got caught to save face and, despite how transparent that is, people are believing him because it was against a community that a majority of reddit hates.
    [–]Meta0X 11 points12 points13 points  (8 children)
    Out of curiosity- what do you think it was, then?
    [–]Ontoanotheraccount 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    He probably genuinely believes it's an attack on, or attempt to censor, conservatives or Donald trump. Something to that affect.
    [–]armoured_bobandi 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    Not the person you responded to, but I assume he did it because he got frustrated. I also agree that he just got caught and is backpedaling
    [–]HailCaesarSoze 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
    That thread was linked by the Washington Post. He edited it make the_donald look stupid and spare himself when WP users clicked the link.
    [–]VoxUnder 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    I don't think any editing is required to make the_donald look stupid.
    [–]011000110111001001 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    It was just a prank, bro!
    [–]NonsensicalOrange 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    I thought it was funny, literally turned their (nasty petty) insults back on them. It was a simple prank, I wouldn't think it was funny if he dedicated a lot of time to personally humiliating someone like you are recommending.
    [–]lotus_bubo -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    What I did would be completely inappropriate for spez, but it was funny in context, and effective with my community.
    This announcement is evidence that wasn't the case here.
    [–]canadademon -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    That's the problem with these people that want that sub nuked off the site. They have no sense of humour at all. They can't come up with a good joke to save their life.
    [–]canadademon 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
    Pretty much, yea. They dehumanized Trump supporters, segregated them into their own sub, are still mocking them, and are okay with authority abusing them.
    Hilarious parallel. Humans never fucking change.
    [–]shoe788 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    Yeah what victims. Being forced to use reddit and all
    [–]Jess_than_three 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
    Oh bull fucking shit. You d-bags have infected virtually every space on the fucking site.
    Meanwhile, your brave leaders have for the subreddit's entire lifespan pursued a policy of immediately removing any dissent and banning the offending user from your safe space.
    Cry me a river, trumplethinskin!
    [–]StraightTalkExpress 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    That's Mr President, to you.
    [–]canadademon 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Hey dumbass, I'm not part of that sub. But nice try. Get a life.
    [–]AfricaByFrodo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    You voice a dissenting opinion, they gang-up, mock you, and then downvote you to try and force compliance. The exact political strategy that got us here in the first place. Sad. Nobody is learning a thing.
    [–]Johnn5 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
    Don't call someone a pedo nonstop for on reason and then people might be more sympathetic to you.
    [–]lotus_bubo -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
    What?
    [–]Johnn5 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    The Donald called spez a pedo nonstop, I really don't give a fuck that he trolled them.
    [–]lotus_bubo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I never saw any of that, but I left when it got real toxic and overrun with conspiracy theories and neonazis.
    It was fun in the early days, but the gross elements would amplify when Trump was doing poorly. When things were looking dire late into the election, it became unbearable.
    [–]Mason11987 0 points1 point2 points  (8 children)
    Are you comparing an admin trolling some trolls who were accusing him of pedophilia even remotely comparable to racial violence?
    What the fuck
    [–]lotus_bubo 5 points6 points7 points  (7 children)
    Do you think that's an honest summarization of what I said?
    [–]AfricaByFrodo -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    Do you think he/she will respond truthfully? All they have to do is say, "Yes," and their nonsensical smear can continue being used as a shield from cognitive dissonance. You know you're hitting chords when people start trying to avoid your argument entirely by discrediting its source.
    [–]Mason11987 -2 points-1 points0 points  (5 children)
    I think it's laughable for you to make any reference whatsoever to racial violence in the context of what spez did.
    [–]lotus_bubo 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
    When you consider all the words I wrote, it makes perfect sense. But you've decided ignore that to distort what I said into what you said.
    You're not fooling anyone. You're just an asshole, and what you are doing is dishonest.
    [–]Mason11987 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
    No, it doesn't at all. You're not a victim here. Go back to TD troll.
    [–]lotus_bubo 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    I explicitly said it wasn't remotely comparable, and you attack me for suggesting they are remotely comparable.
    Did you not read that part?
    Are you just stupid, or lack reading comprehension skills?
    How do you think you're going to fool someone when they can verify my statement sitting right above yours?
    You're committed yourself down this ugly, silly path with nastiness and insults, in response to a post calling for empathy. I know you won't back out at this point, because people like you are typically too vain and stubborn to admit fault.
    [–]foldo 24 points25 points26 points  (9 children)
    Yes I can't believe that apparently this is how reddit feels about this incident. There is a top level comment with more than 4k upvotes and gilded four times saying that they don't care at all about this.
    Yeah I've been a daily user of Reddit for 4+ years now and I truly don't care. I like Reddit. You can do whatever you want and I wont stop coming here. So just saying. You probably dont hear this side too often.
    I am not even a user of T_D I actually had it blocked via res, but I still think this is way worse than everything Ellen Pao did. But it seems like nobody cares. I don't get it...
    [–]BoredMehWhatever 37 points38 points39 points  (2 children)
    But it seems like nobody cares. I don't get it...
    If there's a kid at school that relentlessly bullies people, insults them, makes their lives miserable, and just goes out of their way to be a complete cock to nearly everyone that isn't in their little circle, and then one day someone steals their lunch, would you expect the students at that school to erupt in protest at the outrage of the act of stealing?
    [–]HailCaesarSoze 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    The proper analogy would be the principal stealing his lunch, and you know that's not OK. Kids might cheer, but we're not children, are we?
    [–]Jushak 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
    Eh, I call it karma. And the fact that /u/spez didn't make anything worth caring about with the edits.
    Don't get me wrong - if the edit was actually meaningful and if it was done to a sub that didn't deserve being guarantined - then I would consider it a big deal. Right now, it's yet another case of overblown drama that no one in their right mind gives a fuck about.
    [–]bakuninsbart 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    What bad did Ellen Pao actually do? The hysterical entittlement of parts of the reddit community is a much bigger problem than anything the admins have done in the last few years.
    [–]FACE_HECK_FASCISTS 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Well reddit doesn't wanna hear this. They'll yell at you if you mention it. But, okay lean close I'll let you know what was up.
    She was a woman.
    [–]Saigot 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Well It's not surprising that Engineers have the ability to tweak user data, nor did the changes he made actually do anything meaningful or with poor intent. So while unprofessional, it's not really anything anyone should be getting upset about.
    [–]Chennaul 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    He did it from a position of authority. It's interesting that Spez admits to being a troll when he was younger.
    That's quite a different dynamic because--essentially a troll goes against the majority and is not in the power position.
    How many people have the power and authority to change the words a man has written? And then--to change those words so that they go against someone else that is a supposed ally but who is above the commenter--but below Spez.
    Spez could have done it to create conflict between two groups of people below Spez's authority. That isn't the actions of a good faith actor, and I don't think Spez fully owns up to what he did although he is definitely smart enough to know all of the ramifications of what he did.
    [–]evilyogurt -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    think about how much this event has affected your life. When you're done pondering that you will probably understand why no one seems to care.
    [–]BellyFullOfSwans 14 points15 points16 points  (9 children)
    He would have been if he had chosen a "popular" victim. This is why a true democracy is a bad thing.....your rights can be voted away by the majority.
    These are the kinds of Executive Powers that people give to Obama willy-nilly and then get scared because the next President gets that power too. They are always happy when it's their enemy being struck down by the abuse of power....then they lock arms and block highways when it's their turn.
    Reddit's mods/admins are left leaning by nature. I was wrongfully shadowbanned by one of the (now) big shots for political reasons and was given my account back after making a public stink. It was a SJW action done without comment (like Spez's bullshit). That Mod is now within the Top 5 of Reddit (havent had any problem since the incident).
    There are a LOT of vocal minorities on this site. Who doesnt think SRD and their ilk are just as vocal and NOT made up of 50% of the US voter base? Exactly.
    There is less of a chance of a Conservative take-over of Reddit as there was of the US in this last election, but now that these kinds of "harmless pranks" are excused without removal of the Unidan/Pao because of the hatred of the "vocal minority" attacked....I cant wait until the whip gets in the other hand so that we can see who really isnt bothered by these actions and who excuses them because they dont mind who they currently target. Theres a big difference....and Ive seen Reddit play this game enough to have a confident guess.
    [–]Moruitelda 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    Unidan/Pao because of the hatred of the "vocal minority" attacked
    Jackdaws?
    [–]BellyFullOfSwans 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jackdaws, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jackdaw.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    [–]canadademon 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
    Exactly. Anyone that is okay with what Spez did recently clearly doesn't know history, of Reddit or the world. This kind of shit could go either way and tomorrow it might be them. A lot of people have a lot to learn.
    [–]Moruitelda 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
    So my tag that says, "Fuck /u/Drunken_Economist" might change to "Fuck /u/dont_ban_me_please"?
    And I should care... why?
    He didn't change substantive comment. He fucked with some troll posts. You lot are taking this entirely too seriously.
    [–]canadademon 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
    That's it? That's your take away from this? Talk about living in a box.
    [–]Moruitelda 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    Yes. Because those are the edits he made. I'm supposed to be upset because it was possible for him to do something that he didn't do? Bullshit. He didn't do anything wrong.
    [–]way2lazy2care 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    I'm supposed to be upset because it was possible for him to do something that he didn't do?
    But he did to it. You're in a post where he admitted to doing it.
    [–]Moruitelda -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
    He didn't change any messages. He didn't make them say, "HAIL CLINTON." He played a prank. People are taking it way too seriously.
    [–]Ontoanotheraccount 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
    The majority of reddit doesn't like the-Donald. People aren't going to shit on him out of principle because this is his site. He can run it how he sees fit. And since this particular action is tacitly approved by the majority of the community, he's going to skate on this.
    [–]abasslinelow 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    Fuck principles, right?
    [–]Tropic33 -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
    Well hopefully this will show to everyone on the left whose been told how mean the_Donald is to leave their cave and see they've been lied to. Or at the very least not excuse this behavior just to be petty.
    [–]abasslinelow -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
    I don't think it will, unfortunately. The left appeared to be having a moment of introspection for a few days after the election, but its reverted back to its old ways with remarkable elasticity. I mean, just look at the top comments to this post... you have to scroll a loooong ways to find a post that's legitimately critical of spez's behavior beyond "you shouldn't have done it, but it's okay, we understand and love you still."
    [–]canadademon -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Yeap, they doubled down. Can't win everything I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Apparently it's just too much to expect some people to go, "Hmm.. maybe I was wrong..."
    [–]jennz 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    I seems that the only people who really care about changes made to the_donald are subscribers to the_donald.
    [–]canadademon -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
    Not true at all but go on with your delusion.
    [–]Clayh5 -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
    I mean to be fair I'm pretty sure Pao never apologized. Spez was getting plenty of hate till he acknowledged what he did.
    [–]wtfaatch 14 points15 points16 points  (2 children)
    Pao never had reason to apologize. Everybody turned on her with banning the subreddits but she was the one who defended keeping those subreddits in place. Most of the drama was Pao being used as a scapegoat for everything, even firing Victoria.
    One of the former admins even admitted as much.
    [–]TheCocksmith 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    The former CEO Yishan Wong admitted to it.
    [–]canadademon -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    If that isn't enough proof that Reddit is being run by children, I don't know what is.
    [–]exonullsec 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    She took the fall for the completely fucking moronic way they handled the Victoria firing and basically wasn't able to tell people it was Alexis and not her (or chose not to - interim CEO - though people were clamoring for transparency so it's more likely her hands were tied). Contrast to Steve is able to come here and give a complete accounting of "his side of the story" somewhat close to after-the-fact, while people still give a shit.
    After Ellen was vindicated and people realized (think it was through something Yishan said; being friends with Ellen I don't think he liked the brush she was being painted with/people jumping aboard the hate train so readily - though as /u/tracy_martell says that probably was also sexism speaking) it wasn't her, she got a bit of a nicer welcome from the few people still following the news (iirc she took a modship of one of the cj subs and was pleasant with and pretty well liked there - but again, it was down to a few people and I doubt most of the people from the initial threads even saw it)
    [–]trapaik 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    You would of all the neo Libs didn't rush to flood this thread with support, u/spez allowed pedo subreddits and underage girl lover subreddits but ones exposing pedos like him with Wikileaks , pizzagate and the Donald get banned and censored heavily
    [–]wickedogg 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Now that we know he can edit our comments, why would we fuck with him?
    EDIT: Yes, I really typed that and this comment was never edited.
    [–]new_math 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I thought he would get eviscerated too, but then I remembered he can edit comments without a trace so...
    [–]celetrontmm 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I think it is because he hasn't tried to swipe it under the rug, and he is talking about it.
    [–]Ekudar 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Well the community as a majority supports anything against the_Donald
    [–]InsaneGenis 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    the_donald was ruining Reddit. We all hate them. They are manipulating the website and spam garbage while sucking each other's dicks. Many are tired of seeing them jerk each other off on the front page. It should be blocked due to gory porn.
    [–]WAFC 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Fits perfectly with the rest of the leftists on this site. "No bad tactics, only bad targets," after all.
    [–]Transflail 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    He can probably edit the number of votes a comment gets. You can completely change the narrative of an entire thread with a few highly voted comments.
    [–]PM_TITS4FUNNYDICKPIC 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Considering the mods have been increasingly banning and suppressing things they don't like, people have probably gotten used to it. I don't even support Trump, but I'm not a liar and I know that this shit probably wouldn't have flown back then.
    [–]magikowl 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    give it time. most people are at work and it's been a few days. top comments will change.
    [–]Jess_than_three 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    ~*~sexism~*~
    [–]Ardgarius 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Poking the autists over at The D is always entertaining, even if it was a bit immature as CEO of reddit. Which he has acknowledged
    So it's all good
    [–]KikiFlowers 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    With Pao it was different. She got rid of the hate subs, and "fired" Victoria. So people shit on her for that.
    [–]Emperor_Mao 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    Most people seem to hate the idea of admins editing posts.
    But most people also hate t_d.
    I remember when subs like FPH got banned, I didn't even know much about the subs in question. I mean FPH didn't really spam the front page. It was much harder to understand why action was being taken back then. Most people thought it was a SJW attempt to make reddit a giant safe space. They wondered where the slippery slope ended. This time around, I think people can clearly see the brigading, trolling and doxxing coming out of t_d.
    [–]rightc0ast 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    They were on the front page of all most every day. People just weren't irate at a political enemy, I guess. They were ignored, if you didn't hate fat people. Which is pretty much how things should be.
    [–]Emperor_Mao 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    hmm maybe they were I don't know. I definitely didn't notice it as much. But my point still stands. To me t_d isn't even political. To me it is 10% serious conservatives trying to pull the strings (by banning, doxxing, brigading, trolling), and 90% people dicking around with meme's.
    But the trolling and doxxing is what lost my support for t_d.
    [–]jhnkango 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I didn't. And that's because, people think r/the_donald is shit.
    [–]FinallyNewShoes 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    If Spez did this prior to Pao he would be the sacrificial lamb, there is no difference other than the expectation of what reddit is.
    Reddit is a place where censorship as fine as long as it's against people who are wrong.
    [–]StarStealingScholar 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Ellen Pao shat on someone people actually liked, as opposed to some people everybody would want to take a dump on.
    [–]pm_me_ur_screenshot 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Simple. A) Comments are heavily censored now and B) People have taken a more results based approach to win the battle and not care about the war. Yelling out in comments to make change happen is so 2014-15. Both sides are constantly evolving and adapting. I really hope reddit doesn't die as a result of this crossfire. The administration is extremely incompetent and making the most predictable moves.
    [–]mrbooze 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Honestly, I thought I was going to jump into the comments here and see you being eviscerated.
    Maybe someone is editing all the comments...
    [–]NateHate 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Straight white males sympathize with straight white male over Asian female. More news at 11.
    [–]_pulsar 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Only the top comments are giving him a pass.
    [–]bryanbryanson 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    He probably edited them all.
    [–]Spikekuji 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I think a bit has to do with him being an engineer and a white guy, which a lot of reddit identifies with as opposed to an Asian woman who is not an engineer and was involved in a gender discrimination lawsuit.
    [–]schrodingerkarmacat 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Try sorting by 'new' or 'controversial'. It paints a very different picture.
    [–]asshair 46 points47 points48 points  (9 children)
    Ellen wasn't the first Reddit engineer, so she probably lacked the expertise to do it,
    /humblebrag
    [–]Aurailious 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
    she was smart enough to not.
    Implying Ellen is smarter then him.
    [–]caltheon 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    smart enough not to get caught
    [–]frustratinbubble 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
    update comments set content = 'some stupid shit' where id = $id
    [–]exonullsec 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    update comments set comment = 'fuck your content' where user in $usersidontlike
    [–]frustratinbubble 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    I get your point but this would set every comment from a user in $usersidontlike to the same value. (you probably want one comment from each user instead of every comment from every user)
    edit: you probably wouldn't need an inner join
    [–]exonullsec 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    nope, as intended lol
    [–]frustratinbubble 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    this is probably funnier now that I think about it
    [–]Mexican111 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    Had to get the obligatory "I'm so talented" but "I'm reaaaaally sorry" in there, eh /u/spez.
    [–]mysticrudnin 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Not sure if it's talent, or "I wrote this code and know where the garbage is"
    [–]onekrazykat 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    And yet YOU still have a job.
    [–]Jess_than_three 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Don't take this the wrong way, but can we have her back? <3
    [–]bonked_or_maybe_not 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    What relationship does Reddit currently have with Antique Jetpack and their astroturf advertising consulting business?
    Do they get special exemptions from filters on the site?
    [–]Xzillerationer 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    even if she did, she was smart enough to not.
    [–]I-am-the-dude 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Ellen wasn't the first Reddit engineer, so she probably lacked the expertise to do it
    Expertise!=wisdom
    [–]zhanx 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    so by your own admission. You were not smart enough not to. What is prevent you personally from editing post on another sub that might come to be that you don't agree with?
    [–]Licensed_IT_Profesh 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Hey /u/spez , you're actually really hot.
    [–]bagehis 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    As much as I was shocked you would do that, you get a pass for a lot of things that wouldn't be given to others, for no other reason than you helped create this thing. Keep doing the "making reddit great" thing.
    [–]HubbaMaBubba 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    She tried linking to her PM box in /r/mademesmile, she definitely didn't know how.
    [–]akornblatt 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    The amount of humble u/spez is showing is incredible.
    [–]merton1111 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    So will you resign?
    [–]mcopper89 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Reddit engineer
    Funny way to spell CEO. Wasn't she a lawyer... Pretty far from engineer of any sort.
    [–]knpstrr 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Seems sexist
    [–]victorofthepeople 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    resign. now.
    [–]SenseiMadara -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Don't you think that people exaggerated like way to fucking much? Like damn, I would've laughed about it and whipped it off. That's just freaking stupid.
    [–]OhLookALiar -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    It's fair. Ellen wasn't the first Reddit engineer, so she probably lacked the expertise to do it, and even if she did, she was smart enough to not.
    She couldn't even figure out how to use the DM system if you remember. Here's the thread to jog people's memory.
    [–]richmomz -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    she was smart enough to not (stoop this low).
    Her litigation history indicates otherwise, IMHO.
    [–]Pm_me_40k_humor -5 points-4 points-3 points  (2 children)
    she was dumb enough to be part of several horrible corruption scandals - but smart enough not to edit users posts, Which you were not smart enough to avoid.
    Pause for a moment and drink that in.
    [–]shillmaster_9000 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    corruption scandals?
    hardly, she told people they couldnt harass fat people on the internet and got called a nazi for days on end
    [–]Pm_me_40k_humor -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Was more thinking her job BEFORE reddit. and her legal troubles that stemmed from it.
    [–]BeardedGirl -5 points-4 points-3 points  (1 child)
    Fuck you, Steve. You will never be half the man Aaron was. Fuck you, very much.
    [–]shillmaster_9000 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    why do you get attached to people you will never know
    [–]Hooman_Super -8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
    if given the opportunity to downvote me, would you? 😕
    [–]mrsnakers -10 points-9 points-8 points  (18 children)
    Remember when Redditors hated Ellen Pao, not because of her past / perceived agenda, but simply because she was a woman?
    And now they love you even though you have more of an agenda and are actively fighting the natural culture of reddit.
    Strange how that happens, huh? Must be because you're "more of an engineer". Certainly not because most redditors are misogynistic luddites.
    [–]cosine83 1 point2 points3 points  (14 children)
    Remember when Redditors hated Ellen Pao, not because of her past / perceived agenda, but simply because she was a woman?
    Nope. I remember most of the hate being centered around her personal politics and shady legal issues much more than her being a woman.
    [–]mrsnakers 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
    No shit, I'm talking about the propaganda to counter the Pao hate. My comment has gone over most people's heads, that's fine, it's hard to remember the situation in its full.
    The counter-jerk that was pro-Ellen was entirely SJWs claiming that reddit only hated her and what she was doing because she was an Asian woman. If she had been a man, reddit wouldn't have raised so many pitchforks.
    And today, they've been proven correct once again.
    [–]cosine83 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
    Just a tip, if your comment is trying to make a point and people aren't getting it maybe you need to reword it to make sense. Serial downvoters and disagreements notwithstanding, of course.
    [–]noodle-oodle-oodle-o 2 points3 points4 points  (8 children)
    Wasn't her "shady legal issue" that she was suing a powerful company for sexual harrassment? Not exactly separate from her being a woman.
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