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Sad Mourinho apologists (self.reddevils)

reizo77 が 投稿

Sick of these fans, blindly trusting The Shame One. Buying overpaid guys, breaking transfer records, bad handling young players, blaming everyone (include our own players) via media,...

And still doing worse than Moyes, with Pogba, Ibra, Miky, Baily. The only young starters were introduce to team thank to LVG. Yet bad performances from them (Shaw, Rash, Martial, Lingard). TFM is nowhere. Treating Basti like a shit.

Moyes was a disaster, but then we managed to get on the right path with LVG bringing his philosophy and preparing the team for Ryan Giggs. LVG played dominant football with great rersults vs TOP clubs and introduce many exciting youngsters and used them very well. He had some bad luck with injuries, yet he still managed to get FA CUP.

Somehow we ended up like Chelsea. We screwed our legend Ryan Giggs and we hired this shameless cunt. Well played lads, you gloryhunting cunts. Still cheering for josé, who managed to be worse than Moyes with record breaking transfer.

PS: sorry my grammar

edit: About the boring game, 1st season under LVG was exciting and the best game Ive watched since SAF left was last year home 3-1 win vs Arsenal. Dont lie, that you enjoyed any other game more than this one.

edit2: Ok, I forget refs and bad luck. Thats why mourinho cant beat Burnley :D

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[–]murica_sauce 12ポイント13ポイント  (15子コメント)

LVG played dominant football

I'm sorry - were we watching the same club?

He had some bad luck with injuries

Yes. But his issues were compounded by his decision to thin the squad without bringing in sufficient replacements. Note how many injuries we've had this season, too? Yet we have defensive cover despite both Bailly and Smalling being out, for example. It's nice, isn't it?

he still managed to get FA CUP.

Yup. And he was applauded for it. However, you're dense if you think United's goal should be to win the FA Cup. We want PL titles and Champion's League trophies. The FA Cup is nice, but it isn't exactly the goal.

Somehow we ended up like Chelsea

Chelsea were near in a relegation battle last season. We're not - and we're actually playing some enjoyable football. True, the points aren't there yet - but there's been more promise shown this season than any since SAF retired.

We screwed our legend Ryan Giggs

How? By not hiring a man with no experience as the 1st team manager of any PL club, or any other club, for that matter? Again, don't be dense.

you gloryhunting cunts.

Well, that's just mean and uncalled for.

[–]black_squireMartial[🍰] -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yes. But his issues were compounded by his decision to thin the squad without bringing in sufficient replacements

There is no sufficient cover for 12 injuries at the same time with 2 sets of FBs being part of that

[–]AdamDalby 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I see you defending LVG around here all the time. Now I did like him and was on board until near enough the end, I like possession based football so was willing to go through it and didn't find some of it as boring as a lot of others did. But did you really think that we "controlled" games?

Or did other teams "control the ball" without possession of it. The more it went on and the more I look back on it, the more I think that we were never really in control of games. The opposition nearly always controlled where the ball was so I think it's fair to say that actually they controlled the ball. We had possession but I don't think we controlled the ball. We were allowed to have it. When we went 1 up the other team often changed completely and pressed us into mistakes and giving the ball away. I remember so many times crying out that we could keep the ball all day but in the last 10 minutes when it would have been really effective to keep the ball, we couldn't do it. When the opposition were happy to let us have the ball in safe areas they let us have it and when they wanted it back themselves they took it back. They controlled the ball and where it was most of the time.

LVG was a good manager and I appreciate what he was trying to do. But I do think that progress seemed to halt and it was probably the right decision to part ways. But what do you think on that, as a die hard LVG fan, about ball possession and who's actually controlling the game?

[–]black_squireMartial[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

But did you really think that we "controlled" games?

Depends on what your definition of controlling games is. We dictated how the opponent played and limited their ability to put together chances. We conceded the least amount of chances and shots last season. I'd say that's control

The opposition nearly always controlled where the ball was so I think it's fair to say that actually they controlled the ball.

I don't understand what you mean. Sitting back is not "controlling" a game. It's being reactive. Teams that didn't sit back, got punished and barely created chances. So what do you mean?

When the opposition were happy to let us have the ball in safe areas they let us have it and when they wanted it back themselves they took it back. They controlled the ball and where it was most of the time.

There is no possession team in the world that doesn't lose the ball if put under the right amount of press. City pressed the fuck out of Barca and they could never retain possession.

The reason we controlled the games is because none of those teams could actually press the whole game and were forced to look around while we kept control of the ball. We dictated what they could and couldn't do because they never had the ball. They could never fashion chances until we messed up and gave up possession - hence why LVG always yelled at Memphis for unnecessary ball losses. One of those instances being the Chelsea game at the Bridge. We were in complete control of that game from start to finish until Memphis made a stupid pass that led to their counter and goal.

Allowing a team to have the ball isn't control because you can't necessary control what they're able to do with the ball. We ceded possession to City earlier this season and we got punished for it because they had the quality.

Our problem was that many times last year, we didn't have the quality to punish teams even while controlling the games

[–]reizo77[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

THIS. We didnt have the quality, but I think it was more about tactics, that was winning games for us. Now it is the opposite. We dont have any good tactics, its just praying for a wonder goal or play long balls to Ibra. No game plan.

[–]idunlikeu 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, but we started the season with Rooney and Wilson as only striker options.

[–]black_squireMartial[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

... And had scored more goals than we have so far at this same point last season

Plus we had other striking options, Memphis being one of those and later Martial.

[–]reizo77[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Ask Barcelona.

LVG keep the squad thin, because he trust our academy. Mourinho will never bring Rash, CBJ, Varela, TFM......

[–]murica_sauce 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ask Barcelona.

You should keep posting this. Twice isn't enough. It is again dense to say "OOH! BUT PEP HAD SUCCESS!" as the marker for an argument that a former player with no 1st team managerial experience will find success in his first stint as a manager. To use your logic: Ask G. Neville.

Mourinho will never bring Rash, CBJ, Varela, TFM

Not until they're ready, no.

Also - Rashford is a bad example for your argument. He's made 10 appearances in the PL so far this season.

Further, CBJ and Varela were rightly sent out on loan. They need experience, and are understandably lower in the pecking order behind Shaw, Darmian, Valencia, etc. As for TFM, he made 8 appearances last season - a season that you yourself describe as "injury plagued." It's not exactly as though he was a regular starter. Or do you believe he deserves to start over Carrick, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Pogba, etc.?

[–]reizo77[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

TFM was pretty good, CBJ was good and other youngsters were playing really well. Look how shitty are they now being mishandled and not correctly used.

[–]dayveed1 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

dude just stfu, i bet you wrote the same bullshit under van gaal.....the state of the club is as a result of different factors, not because of how we are playing.....the current philosophy if you wanna call it that is good....we dont have luck on our side and again, we just dont have a starting 11....Carrick made us better, and cause of his absence we suffered against westham, Jose is at fault in a way but not as much as youre making it to be. His biggest fuck up was not finding a good natural CDM, which is needed for this his never changing formation. If you wanna be critical then be but in a respectful manner, this your post isnt and i believe you should shut up and go support some other club or go find LVG in his paradise and enjoy some mince pie while he jerks you off

[–]reizo77[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Mourinho was screwing with Carrick from the start and now realising, how stupid he was. The same will happen with Basti. Oh yeah, if we shoot from 30 and dont score, its a bad luck and very attractive football. Sure boy.

[–]dayveed1 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rather that than dont shoot and keep passing sideways and backwards

[–]black_squireMartial[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We've had less forward passes and more backwards passes by game this season than last

[–]dayveed1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trust me you won't be missed when you go support Klop or Guardiola hell even Wenger

[–]murica_sauce 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mourinho was screwing with Carrick from the start

I'd love to hear what you mean by this.

[–]undertrip 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

do you really want to risk it and give it to giggs who have 0 experience?

giggs shouldve taken the swansea job

[–]mfsupremePogbruh 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

The play that I'm watching looks far better than the product LVG put out there. Once the goals start coming from the shots we are getting it will change. This seems like a pretty bad over reaction which is common on this board.

[–]anterax 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Going by his/her post history, it also seems like a troll

[–]reizo77[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shots are not everything and dont forget the 1st season under LVG, was really good.

[–]krelmAndy Cole 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Your profile is two years old and yet you only have handfull of posts and negative karma. Which means you're probably a shitty troll.

If you want to make a point and start discussion don't go around calling people cunts and whatnot. It doesn't make you look bright and you're just gonna annoy people.

[–]reizo77[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, this sub is full of cunts aplauding mourinho being shitty and destroying our club. So yeah, cunts.

[–]Crusty_Gammon_FlapsBailly 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe you're the cunt. Just because people disagree with your bullshit post doesn't mean they are cunts.

[–]krelmAndy Cole -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Calm down, son.

[–]RVallant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

PSA: This is someone's throwaway account.

[–]anterax 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why don't you direct this to the club? It's not like the supporters that liked him, hired him.

[–]jordangriffin1 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

There's no need to be so sensationalist about it, you're going way over the top. Just chill. Mourinho will win leagues at this club.

(Don't pretend that you enjoyed van Gaal's time at the club, either.)

[–]Crusty_Gammon_FlapsBailly 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree that we did get some good results against the top teams with LVG but we also lost to the teams we should easily be beating not to mention how bad we did in the Champions league.

LVG had us playing the most boring football I have ever seen, yes it got us results against big team but if we can't win a match in the whole of December en we aren't going to get anywhere. So many games last season we should have won and we didn't. You can't be drawing 3-3 against Newcastle.

[–]murica_sauce -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

LVG had us playing the most boring football I have ever seen

This is pretty true. I mean the play under Moyesey sure wasn't great - but man, if that 81 cross match against Fulham wasn't at least amusing in a sad/comical way.

[–]Nestledrink -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

preparing the team for Ryan Giggs

Are you a stand up comedian by any chance? Pretty funny, actually.