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[–]caribou16Moderate Conservative [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Strongly disagree. Good friend of mine is a college professor. She says the student's parents are constantly calling her and arguing grades on their child's behalf, demanding deadline extensions, etc.

That's not on the kids.

[–]MZ603Centrist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My girlfriend is currently in a PhD program and even as a TA she deals with this shit.

[–]Roez [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A few years ago I taught a class at a local community college. Everyone of the professors, no exceptions, would tell me the common student's mindset now when they fail, versus just twenty years ago, is it's the professor's fault. Instead of reviewing wrong test answers and determining where they went wrong, they blame the teacher's method.

The calling thing is very common too. It's just unbelievable how unprepared these kids are for college when it comes to maturity. Whether it's the no child left behind stuff the professors would complain about, I have no clue. It's not good though.

[–]CreamiestCream [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Proof by example fallacy.

[–]caribou16Moderate Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Argumentum ad logicam. :-)

Children don't raise themselves.

[–]obstruct_GOP 63ポイント64ポイント  (27子コメント)

Right, it has nothing to do with how they were raised, right? Nope, all colleges fault!

LOL

[–]MadDog1981 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

That's a little unfair. I know parents that tried to do everything right. Raised their kids the right way and they kid turned out to be a total shithead. Sometimes people are just born assholes and there's nothing you can do about it.

[–]fishtickler [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What is to do everything right? And how do you know they tried to do it? Easier just to say some people are born as assholes, perhaps.

[–]MadDog1981 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Multiple successful and well adjusted siblings.

[–]aaron_bit_7 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

was a lot of group think, but I definitely had room for dissent, just not as much as I hoped for.

It goes hand in hand.

I know parents who are very much leaning right and their kids are so far left they have no idea what happened.

Blame Social Media for the most of it.

People are just trying to look for something to fight.

[–]beer_n_gunsconstitutional conservative [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You're right, liberal parents are screwing up their kids.

[–]NecroNocte [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't know if you're joking, but it seems to be parents in general. I know plenty of conservative parents that raised whiny lazy kids. Some even being family. It's fun to watch them bitch about other people's kids, when theirs act the same way.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

When you have college professors brainwashing kids with leftwing propaganda, it tends to have an effect.

[–]Coach_Popovich [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

I always assume people who say stuff like this never actually went to college

[–]Andy06r [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I had a math professor, now Dean, inform me in a 400 level class that tall men used their height to intimidate her and that our tricks wouldn't work on her.

She made fun of a classmate who took the semester off when his engagement fell through.

3 of the 16 of us ultimately withdrew. The class was bullshit.

She had a picture in her office where she shook hands with Bill Clinton. I asked about the occasion and you would think I told her that I knew where she kept the bodies.

A complete dingbat. I changed my major that semester (she was the final straw in a line of bad professors) and won't donate money while she is Dean.

[–]NecroNocte [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Some professors are just fucking crazy. My girlfriend has a German History professor whose assignments make no sense, and she hates trying to explain them to students. About two weeks out from the election in class she had students make comparisons between Hitler and Trump.

Meanwhile I've never had a crazy professor...

[–]NakedAndBehindYou [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

I was fortunate to go to a very conservative public university, but I still had an extremely liberal speech class professor. She decided to use a class period near the end of the semester to lecture us on "sexist language" and how offensive it is to women. I shit you not, she told us that using a phrase like "Frosty the Snowman" is sexist because... well, she didn't really explain why. Apparently any phrase containing "man" is sexist.

If I got that lecture at one of the most conservative public universities in the US, I can't imagine what a liberal university would offer.

[–]Coach_Popovich [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

I attended a liberal college (UT- Austin) and a more conservative one (Texas Tech) and never experienced any like that. My professors have been either vague with their political leanings or conservative(engineering departments). This myth of colleges being places of "brainwashing kids with leftwing propaganda" is ridiculous

[–]bigdaveyl [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It tends to be geography and the college.

If you're in a deep red state at a college that has a conservative religious tie, then the leftist stuff is kept to a minimum.

I'm in NY state, and attended a SUNY school. In the STEM fields, the professors were pretty much apolitical and/or did not have a chance to insert their political views into course topics. The more into the liberal arts fields you went, the more left leaning professors there were, and could more easily insert their political worldview into the class. I had several male friends take a women studies course to fulfill some Gen Ed requirements and the professor went out of her way to make the male students uncomfortable.

A second example would be a private college across town from where I attended. They use to have religious affiliations, but no longer do. My mother is part of a pro-life group that would hand out information about alternatives to abortion (i.e. adoption agencies, organizations that provided free/low cost stuff/healthcare and so on) at health fairs in the area. They were non-confrontational. Several professors were able to get them banned from attending future fairs.

[–]thegreyhoundness [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You said it yourself, you were an engineering student. I did political science the first two years and I must say, hand propaganda was very strong. You were ridiculed for having even a hint of conservative beliefs.

[–]BanachTarskiParadox [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My husband had a professor who failed him in her geography course for claiming that Israel exists. He's not exactly prone to struggling in school, so it wasn't ambiguous. I don't think such professors are the norm, but they certainly exist, and they can have a large impact.

[–]Roez [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He's not wrong though. It can be common. I have way too much college under my belt across several universities, and there are certainly left wing professors who have no problem saying it. A friend who is a history professor, for example, very much teaches FDR's progressive policies work. While there's evidence there, there's also evidence it might not, or has limits, none of which he covers.

It's usually the liberal arts classes, like Sociology, History, etc., where it comes out more--in my anecdotal experience. It's not just in the professor's lectures, but what they focus on and the books they assign.

There used to be a forum a long time ago dedicated to students who were questioning a professors take on certain subjects. This was like six or eight years ago. And that was eye opening. No idea if there's anything like it now.

[–]CWalston108 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'm at a very liberal school studying engineering. The only thing my engineering profs say that is left-winged is about renewable energy. Besides that nothing political is mentioned.

[–]krypt_o [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

There's nothing "left-winged" about renewable energy. Using government to force it upon the American people is left-winged.

When it becomes more economically viable, which it practically is now, it will start replacing current energy production methods.

[–]CWalston108 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wholeheartedly agree. Renewable is the way of the future. Oil won't last forever.

I should have expounded into that he supported Jill Stein and believes that coal, fossil fuels, and non-naturally occurring refrigerants should be essentially outlawed. He also believes in heavily subsidizing solar and wind, but believes nuclear is too dangerous, when imo it is the safest and should be where most investments occur.

The refrigerant issue appears to be coming true with the recent Kigali Agreement. Whether or not the lower COP results in higher emissions is another issue...

[–]hdfb [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it's more reflective of that lone professor, than the institution...

[–]PM_ME_UR_BATMANS [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'm with you. I'm in college right now and I've yet to encounter any leftist brainwashing in any of my classes. Granted I'm taking mostly STEM classes so maybe it's different for liberal arts classes or other majors where the professor has a little bit more liberty to lecture on political and social issues and spin it how they want, but I think the "brainwashing" is a little overblown.

[–]a_bearded_man [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You don't see it much in STEM. You will see it more often in the humanities classes with younger teachers.

[–]Andy06r [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I replied to the OP separately, but the now Dean of my alma mater's math department is One Of Those. Told me that tall men used their height for intimidation and that it wouldn't work!

[–]Sprootspores [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Love the rejection of this in this thread. It's horseshit. Parents and kids go in more opinionated than ever, and professors these days have to walk on eggshells not to deal with a lynch mob if they say the wrong thing. Used to be innocent until proven guilty when it came to parents dealing with Teachers, now Parents assume if their kids are doing poorly it's the teacher's fault.

[–]gaelorian [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

C'mon, college was always a liberal echo chamber. I was in college decades ago and the same shit was going around. People were protesting the GAP for its sweatshops, the military for its stance of homosexuality, the university itself for not having enough diversity in its professors.

Nothing is different now - they just have a wider audience thanks to the internet and our 24/7 news cycle needs shit that will piss the average person off to boost ratings so they keep releasing these "you'll never believe what these liberal college kids are doing" stories.

They're college kids. They'll smarten up and get real once their first loan payment is due.

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

I'm gonna call bullshit on that. I too went to college. The one thing that I didn't have to deal with was outright censorship. This is now their rallying call. When Bush was in office, they would protest if he farted or sneezed. There was a lot of group think, but I definitely had room for dissent, just not as much as I hoped for.

We're looking at something more, where you're punished for not toeing the line. If you don't say exactly this, there goes your job. You cannot disagree. You aren't allowed to have differing opinions, or there are real consequences, vice the more social ones I had experienced.

[–]Elir [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

For what it's worth, I'm a democrat that went to the University of Texas at Austin. Yeah, there were some liberal professors, but there were also a ton of adjunct conservative professors. For the most part, both groups just didn't really give a shit about talking politics. They were more interested in schooling us in the requisite information than tinting it a certain way. And whenever the topic got tangentially political, they would acknowledge the different political cross sections with vested interests without making value statements. I also had plenty of conservative students in my classes, and the profs were tight with them.

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

There are going to be a few states with outliers. Texas doesn't generally put up with a lot of shit when it comes to anything, so I can see how keeping their universities apolitical would be beneicial.

[–]Elir [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I mean, I'm in law school in Chicago right now and it's exactly the same. The worst any of my professors have said about Trump was that he was, irrelevant of intention, detracting from substantive policy discussion. This was right after the pussy grabbing video came out and all the media outlets were in chaos.

Edit: Typos

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You're speaking of the faculty and not the student body. The faculty is usually the target of the student body. See Missouri last year for an example. How about the professors at Yale?

[–]Elir [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Those are undeniable examples. I sit next to two conservatives/Trump supporters in my federal income class tax that give each other high fives whenever part of the Affordable Care Act is mentioned and joke about how the sections will be gone soon.

I dunno. I feel like the media may be doing us both a disservice by heavily reporting the liberal crap that university students do, simply because it's one of those controversial issues that you either love or love to hate.

[–]FarsideSCConservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure about that. I know the media is using it for their political gains. What disservice these groups of kids are doing is mostly to themselves. If you look at every college protest that has been had against Milo or Ben Shapiro, none of them have been justified and have only brought the media attention on themselves.

[–]thanos023 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

the media may be doing us both a disservice by heavily reporting the liberal crap that university students do, simply because it's one of those controversial issues that you either love or love to hate.

Without a doubt. It certainly pits the two sides against each other and exacerbates the situation.

[–]Elir [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How does having a loan payment influence how someone feels about the military's stance on homosexuality?

[–]Winter_Aspen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Even if you discount the political side of higher-ed, its a disaster. Graduate hire rates are abysmal, but all we hear about is the skilled-labor gap... it gives me a headache.

[–]optionhome 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If this was posted in r/politics wonder how many "uncle tom" comments it would get.

[–]Intplmao [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Critical thinking is under a major attack. Surely you can see that?

[–]BadJuJu2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I live in Missouri and have family near Mizzou. That university's staff and elements of the student body are so far liberal that scores of students have been transferring like crazy. Several dorms have been closed, staff has been cut due to donations, tuitions dropping. Are people forgetting the Mizzou professor caught on iPhone threatening a student because he was trying to record the protest? How about the professor removing 9/11, Trump signs? And people are trying to say these type of professors don't exist? Sorry....you have been proven dead wrong. We have had multiple threads here showing these so called Professors actively pushing a liberal agenda.

[–]HarlemW0rld [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Liberal colleges and the culture of academia has become a joke. Half the shit they teach is politically motivated bullshit.

[–]TrojanDynasty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Until we make it less profitable for people to be professional victims, we will produce more professional victims.

[–]LostSnake [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

For a moment I thought he was talking about young marriages leading to grandparenthood with working parents. . . then I was disappointed.

[–]GHOSTPVCK [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I just graduated from a University in May. Went straight to work in a management training program for a Fortune 500. Not all kids my age are like this.

[–]sumrandomguy322 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Something's not right

What, having sex and children?

[–]MetalCuure [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No It means the young adults come out acting like toddlers and act immature