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InformationMindlessly, I was going through the Advertising Standards Authority and found this. (asa.org.uk)

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[–]radiocaravan 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Huh, would you look at that.

Gonna be some salty chili in some folks' bowls tonight.

[–]CounterfeitPampers 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

This was seen a mile away by most of the people who weren't out for blood and trying to make this out to be a big deal. The trailers were never nearly as bad as literally everything else, and false advertising laws wouldn't apply to any of that other stuff. The trailers were the least of it, but got the most attention.

There's a lot of people who'd be eating crow right now if anyone cared anymore.

[–]DarthGrabass [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The trailers were the least of it, but got the most attention.

I agree that the trailers were the least of it, but it's also worth noting that this is only about the two trailers on the Steam page. There are eight more trailers not shown on the Steam page and a couple of them are way more deceptive than the others.

[–]mephodross 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I brought these same points up about the trailers and I got shit on hard. Get rekt.

[–]Blackheart6004[S] 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Downvote all you want guys but you wanted information on false advertisement on the game over the course of 3 months and here it is.

[–]Harambe_Unchained [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I have a feeling they aren't downvoting you for the content but more of for the bullshit title.

You and I both know you went searching for this thinking "I can't let this sub be happy again, how can I try and smack this hornets nest without getting stung?"

[–]Blackheart6004[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I honestly didn't know the ASA submitted issue until today.

[–]6500s 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Essentially "The trailers give users a fair expectation of the game, with the caveat that it is a trailer which shows highlights rather than average gameplay".

Obviously people will hugely disagree with this, and will pick on specific defences from HG to nitpick and call LIES again.

But at the end of the day, I was right. There was nothing in there that was blatant false advertising, it was like any trailer, it shows the best bits of a game & as the game is procedural, they always had this defence.

I'm not denying the game is missing things, I'm just saying the level of nitpicking was something that only exists within a community like this. Outsiders would understandably see those ads as OK. (Edit: for example, faction battles. HG were obviously able to argue that the "attack ships" are members of another faction.)

[–]BloodyMalleus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're using your brain, it seems the people you are responding to were just using their emotions. Something can feel like a scam, but by the letter of the law, it isn't. (Example: Time Shares)

[–]thelinnen 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Still waiting for a huge triceratops to attack a brontosaurus and I'm yet to find a giant snake.

In all seriousness I'm amazed they got off with the excuse that 'the trailer was more of a highlight reel of a player's experience'. I never saw anything close to the interesting things in that trailer.

[–]ForceUser128 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I saw a small carnivorous crab thing attack and kill an antelope type creature and then what looked like 'eating' it.

Hence the behavior is there, it exists in the game. Now it's just a question of the procedural generator throwing all the right pieces together to have one kind of dinosaur attack another.

[–]AnExoticLlama 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

There is no code that would create a giant snake as shown in the game, nor do portals exist that function as shown. The game, as it stands, completely lacks content that was shown in the trailers. Procedural generation is not an excuse for that; procedural generation won't create new models or interactions out of thin air if not programmed to do so.

[–]ForceUser128 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You must have missed the flying snakes then.

[–]AnExoticLlama -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean that there are creatures in trailers with a larger magnitude than the game's code actually allows for, let alone with body shapes that the game isn't programmed to procedurally generate.

[–]marr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hello Games said that, as each user’s experience would be very different, it would be difficult to recreate the exact scenes from the ad. However, they believed it was fairly straightforward to locate content of the type shown in the ad and to demonstrate that such content was commonly experienced by all users who played NMS for an average period of time. They stated that all material features from the ad that had been challenged by complainants appeared in the NMS universe in abundance.

Ahahaha, great. They fed the ASA their standard brand of pre-release bullshit and the befuddled old suits ate it up because they haven't played a TV game since Space Invaders. Well that was a colossal waste of time.

[–]Furinex 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How can someone watch footage of a Dino wreacking a tree and knocking it over, then claim that's in the same game I'm playing. No creatures do this... and its VERY obvious to me every time I watch that trailer, that creatures do NOT have the same AI as in the footage. It pisses me off. Fuck I'm going back into my hole again.

[–]SoulVanth 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

One question here, from someone playing on a ps4 rather than a PC: Anybody actually able to warp to new star systems in the 3-5 second time frames described?

Relevant section pasted below:

With regard to a concern raised about the speed of galaxy warping footage in one video, Hello Games said there were a number of factors that defined how quickly a player would ‘warp’ to a new system. This included the specifications of a user’s hardware and the complexity of the system or galaxy to which they were warping; a system with fewer planets or less complex life would be warped to more quickly. They said players were not likely to use warping very often (usually around three times in the first 10 hours of gameplay). In the video in the ad that featured warping, the player warped to a sparse system with a single planet, one moon, and hardly any life; this took 3 to 5 seconds. They noted that the footage they provided (recorded on a PC with a similar specification to that used for the trailer) included a warp to a larger and more populated system, which took about 5 seconds. They therefore believed that the warp times shown in the ad were normal for the type of system shown, on a standard gaming machine. They confirmed that they did not edit the video in the ad to suggest that warping of this type was quicker than was actually the case.

Edit: If so, that's a crap ton faster than loads on the PS4. I don't think anyone would have complained about 3-5 secs.

[–]AnExoticLlama [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Eh 5~10 on my pretty high end pc. Could do better with a newer gen processor with a proper oc (on a lightly OC'd 4770k and rx480 8gb)

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_SENTENCES [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ok, I was about to make a list about all the things in one the videos that are absolutely impossibly in the game's current state, but where did it go? I could have sworn the video with the giant sand worm and the portals was on the steam page. At any rate, I certainly haven't had ships fly in formation and fight with me, and I haven't seen the wreckage of freighters on my planets. Other than that though, the videos on steam now are relatively accurate.

[–]babybigger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So Hello Games was not silent after all. They were giving a response to the ASA.

Everyone should read the bullshit Hello Games wrote, which is blatantly false in some parts.

For example, they lied saying the fake trailers were not their fault since gameplay is procedurally generated. But we know from the code the world in the main Steam trailer was hard coded in in parts.

The said:

However, [Hello Games said] they believed it was fairly straightforward to locate content of the type shown in the ad and to demonstrate that such content was commonly experienced by all users who played NMS for an average period of time.

Fuck me, what a lie.

We have seen lush planets of course, but never a world with all of those animals, animals knocking down trees, beaches, herds all together in one place. This is not about seeing big animals, this is about finding a world with all of those elements together in one place (even beaches there). And Hello Games is saying those planets are commonly experienced by all users. What a lie.

[–]yourrong [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh man, where was that original douchebag's post? lol

[–]AnExoticLlama 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Basically, the ASA fucked up. They didn't ask anyone with technical knowledge outside of the game devs, which is a really shitty way of getting to the truth.

[–]TemplarGFX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The footage provided did not show a ship flying underneath a rock formation, as in one of the videos, and we had been unable to replicate similar behaviour in the game. However, this was a brief shot within a wider sequence and we did not consider that, in the context of the ad as a whole, this was likely to mislead.

 

I would disagree as it implies a much more direct control of the ship during atmospheric flight than what is capable in the game. Atmo Flight is a large part of the game, and so I found it misleading to show this in the video

[–]Travesty9090 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would call this an example of the people judging these complaints not being qualified or not understanding the potential nuances of what they're trying to judge. It's difficult for someone who wasn't at least somewhat immersed in this game to understand why what was presented was not representative of the product delivered.

The excuse that "unlike most other games, each part of ‘No Man’s Sky’ (NMS) was procedurally generated rather than manually developed" doesn't hold water. Procedural generation isn't "infinite possibilities." There's still a set of parameters to what can possibly be generated, and the set of parameters presented in the ads is not the set of parameters that was in the actual product.

In addition, this: "They stated that all material features from the ad that had been challenged by complainants appeared in the NMS universe in abundance" is just a straight up lie. The graphical assets in many of the screenshots and videos are not in the game.

[–]marr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hell, their core trailers are hand animated pre-rendered cutscenes. They're concept art for what they hope version 5.0 might look like, but presented as in-engine. The ASA don't know any of these words.

[–]yourrong [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In addition, this: "They stated that all material features from the ad that had been challenged by complainants appeared in the NMS universe in abundance" is just a straight up lie. The graphical assets in many of the screenshots and videos are not in the game.

In a game centered around procedural generation, does it really matter that you can't see one specific mesh in the trailer or that the UI was updated?

[–]DarthGrabass -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Who in the world was complaining about the warp speed not being accurate in the trailers? Interesting that Valve was on the hook for the whole thing and not HG. That said, HG's, "It's procedural" defense is some bullshit.

[–]NYLaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Valve are the ones who they had a claim against, since it was the advertising and selling point. They are the ones who published the game.

[–]AL2009man [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Although Valve handles Steam, Valve isn't "officially" publisher for NMS.

[–]NYLaw [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it matters that it was published through steam. That's my best guess as a law student, not a lawyer.

[–]Orisi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really bullshit, I mean, they're right to say that the whole game has been programmed to generate procedurally. It placed you in their universe.randomly and you explore from there. If they can show that the code means certain events will occur a specific % of the time across the galaxy, they've proven it's there. This really is the sort of game where bad luck can screw you out of an experience.

[–]NYLaw -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish American judicial opinion were broken down like this. They don't force you to read into the whole opinion to get all facts, issues, analysis, etc. They just used headings. I wonder if this differs between clerks/judges like it does here.