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Men's RightsEnough with the fear of fat (self.TheRedPill)

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TL;DR

Yesterday TED Talks published a video about fat acceptance and it really boils down to what you think it does.

Body

Talking we have an obese women, whose way of presenting is not bad at all. The content however is your typical delusional main stream bullshit. Let's pick apart some key quotes.

[...] fat phobia is deeply rooted in complex structures like capitalism, patriarchy and racism.

After making some fat jokes she enters the topic with this first statement. Using the word "phobia" is a typical leftist manoeuvre to depict everyone that is against a certain topic as basically too weak to cope with it, too hateful to embrace it. She also casually throws in the unholy trinity "capitalism", "patriarchy", "racism". Stupid patriarchy, telling people to not destroy their bodies. Oh and what does racism have to do with fat shaming? Well, who knows, let's just use it because everybody uses it.

we see these ideas [fat=bad, thin=good] again and again in the media, in public health policy, doctor's offices, in everyday conversations and even in our own attitudes.

Why would anyone attribute fat people with being bad? F*cking patriarchy. Oh by the way, did you know that there is a link between obesity and education showing that thin people achieve higher educational levels in school?

Of course we see these ideas in doctor's offices because your doctor is the one that has to tell you again and again that your fatness is destroying your body. I especially loathe this argument of hers because within the German public health care system I contribute the same amount of money to the system that an obese person does... Even though a fat person will cost the system vastly more than I as a healthy being will.

We may even blame fat people themselves for the discrimination they face because after all, if we don't like it, we should just lose weight. Easy.

She then reaches the point that womynTM love so much - refusing to take responsibility. I understand the point of having a happier world when people stop hating each other. But saying this is like saying "We have to stop fire from being hot instead of telling people to not touch fire".

And I am not alone. I am part of an international community of people who choose to rather than passively accepting that our bodies are and probably always will be big, we actually choose to flourish in these bodies as they are today.

"Yes guys, instead of starting to do something good for my health and going for a jog instead of stuffing that third burger into myself, I just found some people who are as fat as I am so we can tell each other that it is a good thing be a lazy lard ass."

... I could go on but I think I got my point across. Go watch the video if you feel like it. It has about 90% dislikes and a disabled comment section. Pity.

Epilogue

We do we need fat shaming? Because there is a growing movement that is shaming men for not liking fat girls. There is a certain shame in not wanting to date fat women. And as long as we men can not openly say that fat girls are unattractive men can not be truly free.

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[–]microwave44 48ポイント49ポイント  (4子コメント)

I workout while listening to videos like this

Pushes me forward to not ever get in that shape

[–]Venny_1 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Damn!!!

What kind of workout would you recommend listening to this scary stuff though?

[–]deeman010 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why limit to one? Just listen to them while doing everything!

[–]Eastuss 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Came across this post just when I was about to give myself a snack.

[–]wallpunchist 52ポイント53ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm loving how after a 10 minut speech she became so exhausted, she started sweating, panting and losing her breath.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

Man, after 1 minute she was breathing like I do after 3 sets of deadlifts.

[–]Th3St1g 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

[TRIGGER WARNING] maybe she should exercise...

[–]juliusstreicher 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm expecting it any millennia, now...

[–]1sailorJery 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, so I'm a fatshamer and in an attempt to shield my biases from dismissing her I tried listening to the audio while not watching. Every breath she drew in was labored. Thin privilege is being able to breathe.

[–]juliusstreicher 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I jumped in at 7:08, and I got tired just listening to her try to breathe.

[–]steel_tube 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

reframe dislike of fat girls using one of their pet signal words, 'sexual preference.'

My favorite response to criticisms of my tastes is 'everyone has a right to define their own sexual preferences.' This implies that if they aren't cool with my preference for healthy women, that they must hate the gays.

[–]MortyDazzler 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gay sex is now more acceptable than sex with a fat chick, they must hate that.

[–]FatNinjaWannaBe 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a preferance, I'm born this way, I'm sexually oriented to be attracted to fit women, ever since I was a kid beautiful fit women give me an erection. Are you really trying to opress me for my sexual orientation?!

[–]mattizie 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, nah mate.

If I can't get a boner from it, I don't want to fuck it.

And I can't get a boner from a fat chick.

Simple.

[–]Mckallidon 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's not the amount of fat. It's the quality of fat and the amount of empty carbs that matter. I use a lot of butter and avocado oil in my cooking. Lost a lot weight upping the fat and eliminating bread, potatoes and dairy.

[–]Eric216 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ya fat is good, protein is good, simple carbs are bad.

[–]The__Tren__Train 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

The amount of fat definitely matters lol... But I think I see what you're saying

[–]Mckallidon 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Cals in Cals out - wise yeah. But people stress the ratios of macronutrients to a ridiculous degree. And they usually eat too many carbs because they don't satiate you. Protein and fat rich foods shut your appetite off. Carbs don't until you hit a lot fiber. Some of the healthiest people in the world eat a high fat diet. The human body is meant to use fat as fuel almost all of the time and only pump sugar into the system for muscle recovery which you get enough of from plants. As long as you eat a lot of veggies and the right amount of quality protein, which Calorically isn't much, you can eat a lot of fat in the diet. If you're going for muscle growth and your body is used to using fat as fuel, your body learns to always be refueling the muscles and always be burning fat. Blood sugar spikes disrupt this and kills your energy and triggers fat storage. Most people have no problem eating half a loaf of bread a day and then won't eat butter. Most healthy fat is hard to eat a lot of anyways. Good luck eating a pint of yogurt or 4 TBSP of Irish Butter a day. But a lot of people can eat 2 cups of rice no problem. These are all roughly around the same number of Cals.

[–]Appleseed12333 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Whenever someone says Cals in Cals out, I just dare them to eat enough calories from dried beans, peanut butter, eggs, and tuna to get fat, while not exercising. It's not possible. Clean bulks are incredibly hard, hence so many guys cop out and do dirty bulks thinking it's all the same, and hurting their gains.

[–]xinihil -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is possible. I'm a powerlifter, I did it

[–]TW010101 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

you shouldn't even acknowledge them as having a serious stance, if someone starts throwing names at you or some shit just be like "but fat women are still ugly" they'll eventually stop. but if there's a CHANCE you might take their argument seriously they'll never stop

[–]collegegreens 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

All I can think about is the poor dude who busts his nut inside that thing. You know he tells her she's beautiful as well.

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

Every once in a while I see a fat chick walking down the street with her chubby kids and a regular sized dude walking next to her...

I think to myself WHY?! Why would you impregnate that thing?!

[–]Fat_SMP_peruser 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because that's all that gets me hard. Fat chicks. My first sexual fantasies were of fat chicks. One of my first boners was from the blueberry girl in scene in Willy Wonka. The first time I masturbated I was thinking of fat chicks. That's how I'm wired, I fucking love fat chicks. I know I'm in a tiny minority and I know most guys with fat chicks are "settling" but I'm not, I'm fucked up in the head.

[–]TheJedi_Lied 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Name checks out. You're lucky in a way; your tens are everyone else's twos.

[–]Yashugan00 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is so weird... as long as you're happy!

[–]BoyWhoreWithASword 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well if fat chucks get you hard then fuck the shit outta them. Don't let other men tell you what to fuck. Grab your harpoons and fuck away. I've fucked a few fat chicks and I like thick chicks so I can relate. Don't ever let other men shame you into what you should be attracted to.

[–]Lsegundo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe she wasn't fat to begin with? Find a woman that has active hobbies and good eating habits. Im not talking about the ones that goto the gym only when they are single. The best option is to be ready to walk away. The dread of knowing she has to stay sexy to maintain your interest is good motivation for her to eat right and exercise.

My x was curvy* when we got together. Years later from poor eating and lack of exercise she has really blown up. She was significantly bigger years after giving birth than right after giving birth.

  • Im not talking SJW propaganda curvy. She still had an hour glass figure and a nice ass, but would have looked even better 10lbs lighter.

[–]dammit_redskins 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which further reinforces her delusion of sexual preferences, even though his comment was insincere and he only said it to get laid.

Then you got a fat chick with the attitude of a hot chick because she thinks she's beautiful just because guys are thirsty.

[–]CynicalGreek 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

This stuff has reached another level. I never shamed fat people, but nowadays fat people try to shame me for following my training and dieting schedule to always stay ripped. "be a real man" "people don't care about a ripped body" "you are losing your time in the gym" "dude you eat only veggies and meat how do you live on that ahahaha"

And I am like W T F are you telling me you fatass? Seriously I will start hating fatasses.

[–]HoeDaddy 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

"dude you eat only veggies and meat how do you live on that ahahaha" then they fucking eat twinkies and processed "food" because its totally sustaining and healthy

[–]wench_enabler 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This happened to me recently and I literally started laughing and flexing. Well, I was talking about how I had gone a few days without eating meat and was told that is effeminate. Yeah tell that to the girls I've been banging lmao the sad part is you can easily flip that around and be like "well that must make you the least feminine person in this room, don't it?" But better to be tactful if it isn't necessary.

[–]SetConsumes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You make them feel bad with your presence existing.

Diabetics that eat carbs a lot drive me nuts too, worse than the obese being stupid.

[–]1sailorJery 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

had a fat uncle try and fit shame me for something I was eating, I pointed at him and asked with a laugh "are you seriously trying to give me nutrition advice?" Then he laughed it off and walked away. He's actually been losing weight since then. Hopefully I woke his bloated ass up.

[–]goldnhorde 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

well what this breaks down to for me is this: "No one is going to tell me what I think or feel, and this will be reflected in no one telling me what I am attracted or repulsed by".

What's next? B.O. shaming? "Why don't you want my vagina ... even though it smells like three weeks old fish pooped out of a skunk into a landfill full of old cheese and rotting salamis? you got B.O.-phobia?" then probally eventually "I SMELL LIKE A REAL WOMAN!!!"

How is she going to emotionally handle when she shows me her meta rolls of fat ... and I go from full tent mode to disaster recovery flaccid? I'm not to proud to say this has happened. I mean I was full on all about it ... then the clothes came off and wonk ..... wonk ... flop. It's not even fair to me. this is not a test I can fake.

the irony here is that this is brought to you by the "you can't tell me how to think" Bitch-o-cracy.

[–]Tbonesupreme 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

That already exists.

Vagina shaming - men shouldn't tell them how it should smell, or that it should be groomed. It's PERFECT the way God made it. And you're just an asshole for not wanting to be inside of that disaster.

[–]Koalasonfire 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The same women that do that probably wear makeup, too. Lmao.

[–]mlgwarrior420 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember when Fat Acceptance was becoming a "bigger" (no pun intended) issue, and then people were actually following it.

Then SJW's and feminazi's decided to hop on board, then people stopped caring about Fat Acceptance.

If you don't shame someone for being fat, they will end up on "My 600-lb Life"

[–]God_Money 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, enough with the fear of fat! Fat is a perfectly healthy macronutrient, that has gotten a bad rap, mostly due to a food industry hellbent on poisoning us. Fat free and reduced fat foods usually need to compensate for the ruined taste by adding either sugar or artificial sweeteners, which are generally going to be bad for you. High fat, low carb, diets have been shown to be very successful in my personal experience, in regards to fat loss and maintaining even energy levels. -wait, what? It's not about healthy eating, shut up, it's some dumb fat bitch saying she's "beautiful the way she is". Oh.

Oh. That's fucking retarded. The main issue I have with "fat acceptance" is, well, we're in the middle of a goddamned obesity health epidemic! Record numbers of children are coming down with fucking diabetes, and people are having heart attacks, and cancer, and all this other shit, and to be perfectly honest I don't fucking care about any of these dumb pieces of fucking shit, but it will some way or another make my goddamn taxes go up, and I need my hard earned money to buy videogames and guns.

That horrible heartless whale.

[–]gistaminute 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

My motto while I was on keto was 'eat fat to lose fat'... burned 50lbs in 4 months and people insisted I was going to die then. The butter and bacon diet, I lovingly called it as I posted progress and food pics every few weeks. Years later I'm still slim and actually fit and none of them wish me happy birthday anymore.

[–]God_Money 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm still slim and actually fit and none of them wish me happy birthday anymore.

That's an interesting topic, right there. People generally assume that their friends want them to succeed, but when the status quo is changed by their success, they find that they are met with resentment and jealousy.

[–]Koalasonfire 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are fat athletes who run, teach yoga, blah blah blah...

Fucking despicable, this mindset. The idea is that fat is similar to race, and you can't change it. No, being fat and/or obese is a health issue that will kill you early.

EDIT: At least this is just getting shut down on youtube, dislikes up the ass and comments disabled, wonder why

[–]TrumpRules2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, you can change being fat.

I love how society has made it acceptable for a woman to judge a man by his height, something he can't change, but it's unacceptable for a man to judge a woman by her height, which she can change through diet and exercise.

I will admit I have banged a few fat chicks, but nobody close to as fat as her. They were slight chubby.

[–]Swole_is_life 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's really not bad for men with the balls to say "no fatties". If your girl gets mad about it, then she probably was planning to let herself go.

Either that or you need to work on yourself. Remember, high value men get away with everything. If you're not high value enough to get away with shunning fat chicks, you need to fix that.

[–]BENDERisGRREAT 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I used to tell my ex "If you ever look like her were just going to be friends"

[–]Ecclesia_Andune 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fat people utterly, utterly deserve to be shamed. It is a despicable waste of ones life, leads to a huge myriad of health issues (which if you live in a country with National Healthcare, is a burden on the taxpayer)

It is not a way of life that should be encouraged or accepted in any way, shape or form. It is incredibly harmful - especially in children who will see these 'acceptance' pushes and think that it's a natural and normal way to be , then grow up to be (rightfully) discriminated against

Funny that she compares it to racism and sexism too. Whether or not you believe either of those things is nearly as prevalent in society as leftists would like to have you believe, the key difference is you cant help being black, you cant help being whatever gender you are, you absolutely can help being fat.

[–]TrumpRules2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny that she compares it to racism and sexism too. Whether or not you believe either of those things is nearly as prevalent in society as leftists would like to have you believe, the key difference is you cant help being black, you cant help being whatever gender you are, you absolutely can help being fat.

Exactly. I hate this whole fat acceptance movement bullshit. I'm not saying that we should go and shame someone who is a bit fat, because I know some people who are a bit fat, but stay active. The thing is, we should be praising these obese women as "real women."

For me, it doesn't even have to do with sexual attractiveness, although slimmer women are more attractive. It's just flat out unhealthy to be obese and you are taking up space. I always cringe when I see someone who is so obese, they have to just one of those motor carts at the grocery store.

[–]Fat_SMP_peruser 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't fat shame women, it just makes them worse. Ignore them, that's the only thing that will get them to shut up.

I say this selfishly because I like to fuck fat chicks, and the shamed ones are a lot harder to fuck, they get all kinds of psychologically fucked up and lash out at anybody who gets close, the ignored ones lap up attention like puppies and are a lot more enjoyable.

[–]Bigcasanova 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fellow RP chubby chaser here , agreed . Please ignore them

[–]hermilion 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

"Even though a fat person will cost the system vastly more than I as a healthy being will."

Nope that is not true., unless you have some statistical data - common understanding says fat person will die quicker and old people cost a lot of health care - 5 or 10 years living longer in old age is a considerable amount of money against your health care system and retirement system. There is a reason why system loves fat people ... and wants to have a lot of them -> money.

[–]yomalolo[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are lots of articles about how obesity is costly, but not so many comparative statistics. Doing a quick search I could only find this one, published by the university of Hamburg. The text is in German but the bottom left diagram is enough to support my argument. It compares the cost of not-obese people (red line) to the cost of people in different stages of obesity (orange line is the highest stage). And it clearly shows that even at the age of 83 obesity is more costly.

Not to be the guy that tries to debunk someones opinion with one source alone but hey, if you can show me statistical data against my point - be my guest.

[–]hermilion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here we go:

http://www.weightpledge.com/mortality.html

At age 80 there is 2-2.5 times more people of healthy weight as obese ones:

http://www.weightpledge.com/uploads/2/7/7/2/27725463/7989049.jpg?520

Estimating cost with worst data you gathered 300k vs 500k it is still 2 * 300k vs 500k -> normal weight people cost additional 50k each at age 83, because there are 2 times more of them surviving.

And it does not take into account another factor I mentioned:

"Obesity cost 6-7 years of living" - meaning that healthy weight people cost exactly 6-7 years of health care cost at the last stage of life when health insurance is most costly.

Now - calculating - normal healthy people starting 65 years (when they stop paying taxes and stop being a surplus to community) live for another lets say 15 years, costing each year (using your data) average amount 240k (lets assume linear growth). Obese people living at least 6 years shorter cost 9 years with average cost 400k

Now calculation: 15 * 240 (3600) equals 9 * 400 (3600)

Hm, I guess that equals. Need more data, especially accumulated per BMI per life time cost to get TRUE answer.

But you see my point - your calculation uses only part of data (one factor - yearly cost of HI) and your statement is only true with regards to one year cost and do not take into account life expectancy / lifetime cost / cohort quantity.

It does not also take account for budget cost of pension, which are the same for both cohort and life expectancy makes gov pay (9/15) -> 40% less of that to obese people.

[–]Capn_Underpants 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nope that is not true., unless you have some statistical data -

Here we go

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=smokers%20and%20the%20obese%20cheaper%20to%20care%20for&st=cse&gwh=D3EA757B12F86C83B4D97FE3866A29A1

[–]hermilion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you very much:

"It costs more to care for healthy people who live years longer, according to a Dutch study that counters the common perception that preventing obesity would save governments millions of dollars."

I guess case closed

[–]NihilistMonkey -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

So what if they die faster? The majority of their life they will be bleeding the government economically because of their poor life choices, whereas the healthy person will not.

Now if you're saying that the government is trying to create a system where their citizens are dependent upon the government for survival, that's a whole other issue. It's definitely not cheaper to have an unhealthy populous though.

[–]hermilion 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

"The majority of their life they will be bleeding the government economically because of their poor life choices, whereas the healthy person will not."

How is for example 40 years old fat person bleeding the government economically? Any example? Fat people most of time just die 55-60 yo with heart attack, while still working, paying taxes and no exceed of health care used - whereas good healthy person may use another 20 years of taxes.

Do you not see that all those big gov agendas just want to have more fat people? What is 'fat shaming fight' like not a move to create more fat people? Why would they do that? There is a good saying in polish language for that: "If you do not know what it is about, it is about money"

Further - if you want to have a discussion - be more specific - otherwise you are just biased with your point of view.

[–]NihilistMonkey 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

In Europe there are increased tax rates to pay for medical care for all. Unhealthy people are the ones who reap the benefits of this while the healthy people lose money. In America, health insurance rates are based on the average, and again the unhealthy people will end up utilizing the coverage more while the healthy take the financial brunt of it relative to the value received. Unhealthy people without insurance also have free clinics which are again subsidized by the taxpayer. You completely dismiss the idea that there is no exceed of health care used and that is not the case. Obesity is one of the most common and serious comorbidies.

[–]hermilion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"In Europe there are increased tax rates to pay for medical care for all. Unhealthy people are the ones who reap the benefits of this while the healthy people lose money"

I am from Europe, so I know how this system works.

"You completely dismiss the idea that there is no exceed of health care used and that is not the case"

There is a complete misunderstanding of what I do - I do not dismiss idea - I prove it is wrong to say fat people use more in HI then they pay in tax. True is exactly opposite - people up to 60 yo are actually paying taxes in surplus to what they spend in gov services - so even if they use HI, they pay it with taxes. It is old people who use taxes and do not pay it - the healthy ones.

This is exactly the reason why government wants to have more fat people, and the same reason why they want woman to work instead of staying home (2x tax payer base)

"Obesity is one of the most common and serious comorbidies."

Yes - and it makes them DIE before they use up taxes they paid.

You state your statement again, like a closed minded feminist - again - and again no data, no proof, no examples. For me - it is the end of discussion, i do not waste my precious life time on people who are incapable of logical thinking and argumentation. EOT.

[–]Capn_Underpants 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

whereas the healthy person will not.

that's untrue

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=smokers%20and%20the%20obese%20cheaper%20to%20care%20for&st=cse&gwh=D3EA757B12F86C83B4D97FE3866A29A1

[–]sonder_one 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If women can shame us for positive characteristics, we can shame them for negative ones.

[–]Endorsed Contributor2comment 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, I see she doesn't fear hamburgers, fries, soda, or anything in the candy aisle. What a strong, independent woman.

[–]Tie5o11 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I noticed the comments were disabled for the video, which was funny since I've watched a number of Ted Talks and never have seen them removed.

I then went on Ted's webiste, found this talk, and noticed that a lot of the comments were (politely) critical of her. When the Ted audience disagrees with you, you know you are basically full of sh**.

The three top comments:

"Obesity kills. Its extremely unhealthy. We should not promote obesity as beautiful. In the US alone, 300 thousand people die from it every year. That is a catastrophic and unnecessary loss of life. We need to fight against the obesity epidemic, not accept it. This "fat acceptance" and "fat is beautiful"-movement is misguided and dangerous..."

"All people should be respected and treated equally regardless of physical appearance - that's the bottom line. However, most people recognize the health effects that being obese has on the body and therefore want to avoid those. It's not really a fatphobia. It seems to be more of a collective consciousness that obesity decreases quality of life and one's lifespan.

I don't think you can really blame the diet industry for people not being able to accept their own body either...that's pretty out there"

"I am all for people being free to live however they like, and that includes with whatever body type they choose. That being said, if people are going to be so derelict to their health- as obese people are- then I am quite opposed to any sort of socialized medicine, as I dont find it fair to ask others to pay for the eventual costs."

[–]HAMMURABl 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ted talks have really become degenerate and unscientific

[–]juliusstreicher 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Become??? I've never seen one that was scientific. They always seemed to me to be some sort of Toastmasters challenge, only for people who have good speaking skills. "OK, your topic to address today is...hmmm...you have a degree in physics, so, you talk for 30 minutes on: Dressing for Success!"

They never seem to have much substance, but, they all seem to have a good speaking style.

[–]Pomandres 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What does capitalism have to do with fat phobia? This woman is the personification of doublethink. Capitalism IS the fat acceptance movement. Fat acceptance justifies and encourages over-indulgence and unbound consumption. A capitalist would be foolish to prevent the incentivization of such an expensive and destructive way of life.

[–]mehdreamer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is deeply rooted in our lizard brains to despise fatness in women : Fatness is a mimic for being pregnant. That means the bitch had semen inside her from another man and that she won't be "available" for at least...9 months

[–]the-capitan 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

what does fat have to do with racism? fat people are lazy, disgusting, and have no self control, regardless of race.

[–]kamwren 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

lazy, disgusting, and have no self control

Plenty of other groups of people are like this, but none get the hate fat people are getting.

[–]the-capitan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

sure, because it's not always so visible. and it usually doesn't inconvenience us. ever try to take a fatty out in public? walk up some stairs, or do a half mile and they're practically choking. can't sit with them anywhere either (especially in cars or on planes).

[–]jaimewarlock 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

She is right about that fat phobia, every time I am near a fat woman, my dick shrinks and tries to hide inside my body.

[–]Conceited-Monkey 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

Fat shaming does not work particularly well in getting people to lose weight. That being said, fat acceptance does not work well either.......

[–]mattizie 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

Fat shaming does not work particularly well in getting people to lose weight

Ever wondered why many asian women aren't fat (until they come to the west)? Maybe you're right though, and it only works in prevention.

[–]disposable_pants 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Maybe you're right though, and it only works in prevention.

That'd be my guess.

If you put on five pounds, and notice it, it's not too hard to change your behavior and lose it again. You hit the gym a few more times over the next week or two, watch what you eat a little better, cut out a night or two of drinking, and bam -- you're back down to where you started.

But if you're 50 pounds overweight? Or 100? Or 200? It's months (or years) of work to get down where you want to be. A week or two of mild discipline doesn't hardly make a dent, and even if it does even that level of discipline is difficult to maintain nonstop long-term (just look at all the extra eating and drinking people do around the holidays). It's much easier to get discouraged and quit when that five pounds is 5% of your goal instead of the goal itself.

[–]mattizie 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

That makes sense.

So we should fat shame early so it doesn't get to the point on no return later in life.

[–]disposable_pants 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Shame" might not be the right word, as shaming kids for behavior as a child will often create the opposite behavior as an adult. But stressing the importance of fitness early? Absolutely.

[–]Sinikal12 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why not go with both? Unless there's a side-effect that I'm not seeing.

[–]disposable_pants 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

shaming kids for behavior as a child will often create the opposite behavior as an adult.

For example, if you force your kid to play piano growing up and shame him for wanting to do other things instead of focusing on piano, there's a good chance that when he goes to college he's going to say "fuck piano, I'm going to do what I want to do."

[–]Swallowed_the_pill 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Might have something to do with income and the availability of shit food. Since the first time I was in Thailand, where I only saw fat turists, and the last time. There's been a huge increase in fat people. McDonald's are popping up everywhere, more and more people are getting office jobs and the average salary is going up.

Yes,fat shaming might help, but in Africa it's high status to be fat, yet almost no one are. It's a combination of a lot of factors and boiling it down to just shaming or not is similar to anti vaxxers argument about vaccines and autism.

[–]Lsegundo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The declining quality of what the grocery store stocks is only a small part of it. 90% of is in peoples control. I have been through some rough times. I didn't make the $1 menu or shitty frozen food isle my main diet. Cooking your own meat & vegetables is a choice.

[–]mattizie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry mate. But I don't buy in to the argement that it's just genetic. The simple fact of the matter is that if you don't eat, you won't get fat. The distribution may not be ideal, but that's what it ultimately comes down to.

Treat being fat in school like it should be treated - equivalent to turning up to class with soiled undergarments - and you'll see a huge (pun not intended) change over the next generation.

EDIT: And I couldn't give less of a shit about Africa. A race of "people" that have been living off of charity for three generations and still hunt rats to survive. A common bird has more intelligence when it comes to matters of planning ahead than an average negro.

[–]The__Tren__Train 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fat shaming worked on me... And I wasn't even fat..

[–]Swole_is_life 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It needs to be society wide. If a random person calls you a fatty, you run back to your hugbox who tell you you're beautiful and deserve another box of cookies. They all delude and encourage each other.

If everyone around you is constantly calling you a fatty, only the very most delusional and narcissistic will be able to convince themselves that they're fine and society is wrong.

[–]SetConsumes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It works very well with men, for women support tends to be better.

[–]ImTheMVPBRAH 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Guilt/shame is the best motivation for men. Perhaps for women it's not a very good idea, then again you don't see a lot fat chicks in Asian countries which are known to shame fat people publicly.

[–]rarejeb 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seems to me that being fat (and opposition to fat shaming) is a product of capitalism.

Most other economic systems are unable to produce enough surplus food for obesity to be a problem in the first place.

[–]SetConsumes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If anything it's a product of consumerism and hedonism. Technology and no longer being in an age of scarcity is what allowed it to be, not capitalism itself.

[–]TheLaughingRhino 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

do we need fat shaming? Because there is a growing movement that is shaming men for not liking fat girls. There is a certain shame in not wanting to date fat women.

If a woman wants you and you don't want her, you are picky and an asshole and you have Mommy issues.

If you want a woman and she doesn't want you, she's "selective"

One thing to notice when women talk is when there is an obvious push/pull dynamic. I.E. "Why are so many men afraid of a strong independent single mother?"

It's not simply dragging you down and rubbing crap all over your choices and character, it's also pushing you down into the water to drown while trying to life herself up ( i.e. the problem is really you can't handle some over the top positive quality she has)

My experience with talking to women who are very overweight ( i.e. work, school, relatives of males I know, etc) - They want the right to pick and choose as they wish, i.e. not accept anyone they don't want for any reason, but they do not want any guy they want to reject them for any reason they don't believe is valid.

If the guy is married, to them ( well some of them) it's "valid"

If the guy doesn't find her attractive, then it's "not valid"

The "logic" simply isn't there. Also very heavy women, many have little to no experience with men in general, so they have a very romanticized view of relationships ( they are fixated that someone will "love them for them") Often their circle of female friends start to marry or pair off and the pressure becomes immense for many, and most can't bear it.

I will say this, there are a lot of people who out there who have been pretty badly abused as kids. A lot of that baggage carries into adulthood with weight. That being said, no one has the right to be a fucking asshole. If you have issues and can't handle yourself, then have the decency to suffer in silence and alone.

Outside of work, no one needs to know about your dating life or preferences. Just say, if you want, that you are busy with goals and being in a relationship now would not be fair to the other person.

At work, what I find works is to say "I lost someone close to me recently who has passed. So I'm not looking for a relationship right now. " Then change the subject. In my book, it's Glenn from The Walking Dead. They don't need to know that.

Now, no one says you need to give an answer to anyone for anything, however there are simply "work culture" things that are much smoother if you are qualify why you are off the market and you don't really want to talk much about it. Also in a few social situations ( like a wife of a male friend), there are instances where basic diplomacy is the best course, even if she's being nosy.

Whatever answer you give, if a woman wants you, and you don't want her, she won't care what comes out of your mouth, you are just a fucking asshole to her.

When it comes to your own rejection, what helps me is "I want the right to choose, so I have to accept others have the right to not choose me if they wish" That helps me a ton honestly. If you don't like how most women act, then be different than that. Only ask of others what you are willing to give yourself.

[–]the-capitan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If a woman wants you and you don't want her, you are picky and an asshole and you have Mommy issues.

going home to visit family for the holidays to a small or midsize town, in my mid 30s, over 6ft tall, stellar career, and i work out... holy shit i get this shit everywhere. post-wall single women everywhere, most not just overweight but fucking obese, and i want nothing to do with them. one minute they're throwing themselves at me, gradually upping their aggression. eventually they're raging at me for being a misogynist shitlord for not wanting them.

they don't understand market dynamics and choice. when i'm already fucking attractive, 22-27 year old women once or more a week, all these wall charging CC riders do is waste time that i could us to fuck higher value women. this isn't even unique to me though... wall charging CC riders are low value. the only ones lower value are single mothers, BPDs, landwhales, and physically deformed women, etc.

[–]TrumpRules2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the fuck? She's not someone who is a little bit chubby. She looks like a big balloon. She's ridiculously obese.

[–]Capn_Underpants 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even though a fat person will cost the system vastly more than I as a healthy being will.

This is not true. The obese and smokers cost LESS because they die early. Fit people living longer lives, them teetering on into senility is the biggest health expense. If you want to lower socalised health care costs, encourage folk to take up smoking and chowing down.

See the study here

[–]juliusstreicher 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm amused that the pig called it "fear" of fat. As if we see this monstrous blob coming towards us and we should embrace it, but, we're too immature and childish. Fortunately, there is a nice big Pillsbury Doughgirl to explain to us the joy of being 2X our BMI target.