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Social Justice Dramar/games discusses the problem with Bioware games: "every second character in Mass Effect or Dragon Age is a transgender pansexual that will fuck anything and every conversation comes down to one thing - romance options" (self.SubredditDrama)

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"It's obvious that they are pandering to the SJW crowd. Being "diverse" isn't a problem as long as it doesn't look forced in because it ends up looking like some tumblr fantasy novel."

"But I don't know why I'm writing out a sincere post to someone defending Bioware. These are the same idiots who threw in a fucking transvestite character in a medieval fantasy setting. They're literally the epitome of pandering to the Tumblr gender-obsessed crowd."

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[–]Zombies_hate_ninjas 126ポイント127ポイント  (14子コメント)

HE BETTER NOT BE TALKING ABOUT URDNOT WREX!! What we had together was special and will last an eternity. What happens on the requisition deck stays on the requisition deck.

#KrogamLoveMatters #WrexIsTheBestCompanion

[–]Brawldud 38ポイント39ポイント  (12子コメント)

Seriously I can't believe he was only playable in 1 out of the 3 games.

[–]Zombies_hate_ninjas 36ポイント37ポイント  (10子コメント)

Worst decision Bioware ever made. Obviously it's because they wanted him all to their selves. Bunch of cunts.

[–]deaduntil 22ポイント23ポイント  (9子コメント)

Meh. Wrex is basically just a poor man's Garrus.

[–]pariskovalofaYou are a living embodiment of the 'post-fact era'. 42ポイント43ポイント  (4子コメント)

No, they're super different! Grunt, however, is the poor man's Wrex.

[–]TheBreakEven 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

grunt is adorable and he'll headbutt anybody who says different.

[–]SchrauZero to Kiefer Sutherland really freaking fast 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

Grunt is my precious adopted baby and anyone who says otherwise will be renegade interrupted out the nearest window.

[–]BetterCallViv 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

don't talk to me or my son ever again.

[–]kjunganot good enough for flair 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

"How about 'goodbye'".

[–]mightyandpowerful 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

At least Wrex bothers to make time for us, unlike Mr. I'm-in-the-middle-of-some-calibrations.

[–]RicoSavageLAER 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wrex is literally nothing like Garrus

[–]SchrauZero to Kiefer Sutherland really freaking fast 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was also briefly playable in Citadel.

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    [–]dIoIIoIb 95ポイント96ポイント  (16子コメント)

    pffft, please, if i can't even fuck Varric, bioware games never let you romance the best characters.

    [–]vewltage 45ポイント46ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Or Brynjolf in Skyrim. Marry me Brynjolf and we shall rule the city side by side and see if Serana's up for a bit of fun occasionally.

    [–]mightyandpowerful 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm glad that other people noticed the glaring omission of Brynjolf as a romance option. I think we all know the Dragonborn was just settling by going with anyone else.

    [–]vewltage 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

    He called me 'lass' <3

    Then I looked it up and he's played by Robin Atkin Downes. The man is a vocal chameleon. I walk past Imperials and say "Hi Gideon Emery" because he rarely changes his voice up but Atkin Downes can play multiple roles in the same game and I never suspected.

    [–]mightyandpowerful 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The voice is really what makes Brynjolf so great. None of the other romance options sound as good.

    [–]snek-queengg ez 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I accidentally killed him during the werewolf rampage in one of my games. I hardly play that save file any more, and when I do, I make sure to leave flowers by his shop

    RIP Sweet Prince.

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      [–]Drew_eire 46ポイント47ポイント  (6子コメント)

      No varric, no wrex, no hk-47 :'(

      [–]PauloGuina 44ポイント45ポイント  (1子コメント)

      HK-47 would never do such heinous acts with a meatbag,not even master

      [–]YesThisIsDrake"Monogamy is a tool of the Jew" 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Tsundere HK-47

      [–]deaduntil 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Garrus tho

      [–]sugakiwi 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I like to think that Hk and Revan are in some weird romantic relationship since HK basically spends 300 years looking for Revan and Revan gets pretty bummed out when HK is defeated in The Old Republic.

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          [–]mightyandpowerful 134ポイント135ポイント  (36子コメント)

          These are the same idiots who threw in a fucking transvestite character in a medieval fantasy setting.

          Someone's never heard of Catalina de Erauso.

          Do they ever bring Krem's gender up in dialogue anyway? I figured the fact that he's trans would just go over the heads of people who aren't cool with that kind of thing.

          [–]IceCreamBalloonsEthics are forged in the fires of flamewar 133ポイント134ポイント  (13子コメント)

          In a medieval fantasy setting! Right next to my totally historically accurate Iron Bull with massive horns growing out of his skull that comes from a nation run nothing like any medieval society (though that might be my ignorance)!

          [–]mightyandpowerful 104ポイント105ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Look, I can accept people turning into bears and spiders and dragons, but the opposite sex? Ridiculous!

          [–]Hypocritical_OathArmchair Psychologist Specialist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Male holding a sword as large as himself = Okay.

          Female holding a sword as large as herself = Not okay.

          Trans person holding a sword = OMFG CALL THE COPS!

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            [–]pariskovalofaYou are a living embodiment of the 'post-fact era'. 72ポイント73ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Also that conversation ended up being really informative about Qunari, too. It's not like "THIS IS OUR TRANS CHARACTER LET US DETAIL HIS PAST" it's Iron Bull being like "yeah here's why being trans is compatible with the Qun, so IDGAF". It also helps establish Bull's affection for Krem in particular to make his loyalty mission more wrenching . . .

            Basically that conversation was done well and achieved literally everything companion interactions are supposed to both in character and plot building. People who complain about it are, dare I say, searching for things to be offended by????

            If you want to critique a companion interaction, Sera and the fucking cookies man . . . it drags.

            [–]Tacitus_ 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

            That's one of the more interesting points in DA:I. The Qunari expect a woman who wants to be a warrior to think of themselves as male. But if they meet a woman warrior who insists that they're female, they go "that ain't right".

            [–]Imogens 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yeah, that Sera story has a great point but isn't well presented.

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              [–]knife_missileMy butter is ready. 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Look, if you're going to talk shit about my historically accurate Qunari Necromancer, I will be very upset.

              [–]Biomilk 45ポイント46ポイント  (6子コメント)

              There's a conversation with Iron Bull's whole crew where you can ask him about it, but it can just as easily be totally skipped over.

              [–]mightyandpowerful 34ポイント35ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Oh yeah. I think maybe I just didn't ask about it because it seemed rude?

              [–]Perpetual_Entropy 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Bioware did acknowledge they made a mistake by making all of the dialogue options judgemental/unaccepting there, which honestly only improves my opinion of them that they were willing to take constructive feedback on such a topic.

              [–]thebondoftrust6 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

              It's really lovely that you didn't want to be rude to a videogame.

              [–]Jhaza 47ポイント48ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's a role playing game. I may be roleplaying a murder hobo, but I'll at last be a POLITE murder hobo (until nobodies looking and I can kill you for your shoes).

              [–]Omen12 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Okay, confession time. I feel guilty for dropping a game I'm in the middle of the story of. Feel like I abandoned them. :(

              [–]mightyandpowerful 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

              One time I ran into a chair and I apologized to it.

              [–]cdstephensMore than you'd think, but less than you'd hope 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Also keeping in mind in fantasy settings there's typically spells that literally change your sex.

              [–]FaceDeer 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

              In fact, you can even point that out to Krem and ask if he's investigated getting magical help. He responds that he's more squicked out by the idea of a mage messing with his body than he is with sticking with his birth genitals, but thanks you for the suggestion anyway.

              [–]Hypocritical_OathArmchair Psychologist Specialist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Isn't that like a whole plot thing in the Witcher, too? All the super sexy female mages are fuddling with their appearences, since they can do that, and you have no idea what they look like normally

              [–]LukaColaYOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Yeah that line threw me for a bit of a loop. I was really hoping he'd follow it up cause it's such an absurd statement. The fantasy already more than allows for it, and it's not like they only just started existing.

              [–]mightyandpowerful 49ポイント50ポイント  (3子コメント)

              That's the problem with people learning about history from tv shows and movies, which tend to be white and straight to a historically inaccurate degree. Like, if you watched Bonanza, you'd think Virginia City was an entirely white town in the 1870s, whereas historical records show that about 1 in 10 residents were people of color. Reality starts seeming unrealistic to people.

              [–]thebondoftrust6 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

              There's an episode of Doctor Who were he meets Shakespeare with Martha and as they arrive in 1500s London she's like "ummmm dude, won't they throw new on a cage!?" Just as a diverse cast folks the background and the Doctors all "no Martha, don't be such a silly billy."

              It's really well contrasted when they go to the late 1800/early 1900s in another episode and she actually does encounter some racist attitudes. Both scenes are really small but together they get the point across that racist ideals are not some recently ousted, long held beliefs (an idea that gives them some legitimacy to certain people) but part of the cycle of shitty people being shits to other people for no objective reason.

              [–]RicoSavageLAER 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I just wanted to say that I love Bonanza and haven't seen, or even heard, a reference to it in at least 5 years.

              You are now, cool

              [–]midnightvulpine 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

              History is full of cross-dressers of both genders. People really need to learn, don't they?

              [–]Perpetual_Entropy 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I've always loved the fact that we had, pretty obviously, a trans roman emperor at one point. If nothing else it's probably the best counterexample to the idea of LGBT+ people being a recent thing.

              [–]SirShrimp [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              To be fair, identifying as a sexual identity such as gay or trans is a relatively new concept.

              [–]hellomondays/r/whiterice 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Til Catalina is like a real life RPG Heroine

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                [–]cryinginfrench 195ポイント196ポイント  (71子コメント)

                My main problem with Mass Effect 2 was that not everyone was a pansexual.

                And by 'everyone' I mean 'Jack.' Why won't she be in space lesbians with me?!

                [–]Rories12 49ポイント50ポイント  (21子コメント)

                I'd totally gay romance Tali if she was an option, I just love her.

                Though Garrus isn't half bad himself ..

                [–]Gunblazer42 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Though Garrus isn't half bad himself ..

                That feel when you couldn't romance Garrus as Male Shepard.

                Though I guess being regular bros is just fine too.

                [–]midnightvulpine 32ポイント33ポイント  (6子コメント)

                Tali is one of my favorites. Say what you will about the nuts and bolts and if it makes bad gameplay or not, but Tali's interactions with Shep over the games are entirely too cute.

                [–]Jhaza 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

                When I was playing through three, I got to the bit where you choose between the Whoever McCantbreathes and the Legion dudes, opt for "maybe don't commit genocide for no reason". Tali dies. Reload save. Make other choice. Unacceptable. Check wiki, start new ME1 play through where I make the right choices, beat ME1 and 2 again so everyone survives.

                That was frustrating, lemme tell you.

                [–]sugakiwi 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

                She was going to romanceable in 2 I believe but her voice actress was uncomfortable with doing that. Which is fine because Garrus is truly at the top of the husbando tier.

                [–]GunzGoPewYou have one ancedote, I have thousands of upvotes 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                You could romance Tali. At least as male Shep.

                I did and then due to a series of boneheaded moves by me, I committed genocide against her people and she killed herself.

                [–]cryinginfrench 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I thought that was Miranda?

                [–]sugakiwi 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                There are voice clips of FemShep alluding to relationships with Miranda and Tali also MShep and Garrus for ME2

                And here is some dialog from ME3 if Tali was romanced by FemShep in 2

                [–]MuchAccount 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

                I have a surprise for you, you can indeed romance Tali.

                [–]Rories12 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

                Not gay romance her though!

                [–]Goroman86 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

                It's not gay if you're different species!

                [–]Revived_Bacon 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                It's not gay if you're in a three way!

                FTFY

                [–]Goroman86 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                The Garrus/Tali/FemShep threeway will always love on in my head.

                And probably several fanmade CGI porn videos.

                [–]MuchAccount 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                True, I missed that in your previous post.

                [–]a57782 54ポイント55ポイント  (18子コメント)

                Been a while since I've played Mass Effect but that seems a bit surprising. I mean, that haircut and not bisexual? The school principle look might be standard issue, but that haircut is a close second.

                [–]cryinginfrench 83ポイント84ポイント  (4子コメント)

                I know, right? There's even a conversation where she talks about sleeping with a married couple, but then she says it turns out that women aren't her thing and leaves femshep out cold. Poor Shep had to take comfort in the arms of a (very dashing) dinosaur.

                [–]IceCreamBalloonsEthics are forged in the fires of flamewar 62ポイント63ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Poor Shep had to take comfort in the arms of a (very dashing) dinosaur.

                At you did it the right way in the end.

                [–]cryinginfrench 56ポイント57ポイント  (0子コメント)

                She's very happy with her raptor husband but she'll always remember the angry hot one that got away.

                [–]Ehkoe 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I like to imagine that they went on to adopt neglected guns. They spend their days calibrating the weapons and shooting bottles on the citadel.

                [–]HooksaN 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                At you did it the right way in the end.

                least <-Here, I think you dropped this.

                [–]Hardmode-Activated 27ポイント28ポイント  (11子コメント)

                It's not much better unless you do the longform romance route as BroShep. She will literally say "fuck off" after you sleep with her at around the same point femshep gets shut down, iirc

                [–]YesThisIsDrake"Monogamy is a tool of the Jew" 57ポイント58ポイント  (10子コメント)

                Not romancing tali.

                2016

                Reported

                [–]Revived_Bacon 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

                I had to settle for Tali after Ice Queen: Miranda Lawson shut me out my first time around.

                [–]MrPokeyLopez 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Excuse me settle? One does not settle for Tali.

                [–]Goroman86 21ポイント22ポイント  (7子コメント)

                Did anyone actually romance Miranda? I refuse to believe that.

                [–]TyaustShort witty phrase goes here 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I had to do it for the booty man.

                [–]pleasesendmeyour 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Genetically designed/engineered physical perfection is hard to resist

                [–]Red_of_HeadBecause Adjunct, it is buttery 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Genetically designed/engineered physical perfection Yvonne Strahovski is hard to resist

                [–]Goroman86 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                True. As long as you don't think about how much of a Space Nazi you are...

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                  [–]_JosiahBartlet 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I loved the actress she's modeled after too much in the tv show Chuck not to do it. Sarah Walker was a hell of a woman, and that's all I see when I see Yvonne Strahovski's face.

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                      [–]a_jill_sandwich 66ポイント67ポイント  (17子コメント)

                      You'd think that, but I hated that about DA2. Everyone is too easy to bang, and everyone wanted Hawke. I loved in Inquisition that you can flirt and people and they'll go "you're barking up the wrong tree" and there's no hard feelings. They've really fine tuned those interactions.

                      But I get what you're saying about Jack. Luckily there was decent fanfic around at the time to bridge that gap.

                      [–]cryinginfrench 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      That's true, though I think I'd like it better if there were characters who wouldn't bang you on your squad but the ones that would were all options for both male and female. This is mostly selfishness because I don't like MShep's voice acting but adore all his love interests rather than actual gameplay/storytelling preference, though, I'll admit!

                      [–]a_jill_sandwich 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I remember being really frustrated with F!Shep's romance options at first and wanting to romance Tali, but then I kinda hit on Garrus by accident and never looked back.

                      [–]B_Rhino 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I hated that about DA2. Everyone is too easy to bang

                      I dunno about manHawk, but my lady hawk was built like a gd pornstar, no surprise she got with everyone.

                      [–]a_jill_sandwich 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It's pretty funny when you make the ugliest Hawke possible, and Anders is all "OMFG be with me forever".

                      I mean, maybe he just really liked her personality after 5 minutes of meeting, but it just makes him look like an even bigger weirdo.

                      [–]FeatheredMouse 22ポイント23ポイント  (11子コメント)

                      Yeah, that's one of my biggest gripes with DA2 - the whole Hawke-sexuality of most of the characters in the game.

                      It might have made sense with Isabella, since it fits with her character as the free-spirited bisexual pirate.

                      Merrill and Fenris... didn't quite fit, but yeah, sure it could be plausible. You also had to actually go out of the way to pursue them, so it wasn't like it was in your face the whole time.

                      Anders was easily the worst. He starts hitting on you, regardless of gender, within one or two encounters, and if you turned him down it was like -25 approval or something. It felt like the whole romance part derailed his character, by turning him into a massive creep.

                      [–]a_jill_sandwich 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

                      Ugh, I hate DA2 Anders. I'm completely baffled as to how he has so many fans.

                      [–]herruhlen 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      Closest thing for the Alistair fangirls to use as a substitute. Like Cullen in DAI. White blonde dude. And a lot of people like the whole sticking it to the man apostate stuff.

                      I think the only relationship I can stand in DA2 is with Isabela. The others are either deranged psychopaths or seem like they're 12.

                      [–]a_jill_sandwich 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      I always romanced the elves in Origins and 2. Maybe that's why I never understood Alistair, Anders or Cullen.

                      I agree. DA2 characters are all batshit except Isabela, and even then...

                      [–]herruhlen 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      O shit, I totally forgot Sebastian having a romance option.

                      Though to be fair, I don't think anyone remembers Sebastian.

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                        [–]pariskovalofaYou are a living embodiment of the 'post-fact era'. 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Tbh I really like how Fenris' romance plays out because it's mostly about him the fact that he's way too mentally fucked to be in a relationship. Like, you bang once, he bails on you, and it's only after working through his shit with Hawke helping for like 9 years that he commits.

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                                [–]Goroman86 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                I made a maleShep playthrough just to romance Jack and pretend it was my femShep instead.

                                See also: Cassandra in DA:I

                                [–]DubTeeDubSave me from this meta-reddit hell 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                I had the same problem with Cassandra

                                [–]Goroman86 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                Cassandra definitely pissed me off more. I figured in ME:2 that Jack was just un-romanceable until I looked up all the options after finishing the game. Cassandra was totally into my female inquisitor but apparently not into ladies. I blame the Chantry.

                                At least it gave me an excuse to do a playthrough as Fenris, which was really fun.

                                Actually the lack of romance options for scout Harding for any gender pissed me off more than anything.

                                [–]B_Rhino 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                It goes somewhere with Harding, a little bit I guess. In the last DLC Vivienne asked me what was going on with that and to shit or get off the pot.

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                                    [–]ncrted 43ポイント44ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Welcome to humanity, where everyone wants to fuck everyone and everything. Enjoy your stay

                                    [–]Hypocritical_OathArmchair Psychologist Specialist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                    Fucking is like one of the main things we do, the others being trying to fuck, supporting yourself so you can fuck, and being content enough with life to fuck.

                                    [–]Felinomancy 162ポイント163ポイント  (62子コメント)

                                    For the sake of argument, what's wrong with having a game where "every second character is a transgender pansexual who will fuck anything"?

                                    [–]Galle_ 150ポイント151ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    I'm sure he could come up with any number of excuses, but I'm pretty sure the real reason is that he thinks it's gross.

                                    [–]Diplocephalus 70ポイント71ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    The only problem I can see is that "fuck everything" can be used unrealistically for fanservicey type sex, but the characters in DA:I absolutely could not fuck everything (i.e. Sera will never romance a male PC) so I'm kinda confused.

                                    [–]Hammer_of_truthiness💩〰🔫😎 firing off shitposts 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Its only really a relevant criticism in DA2, and even then I only really think its Anders, the other three were less pushy about it and the romance options were obvious instead of misleading.

                                    Who knows, maybe they did want to have an awkward situation occur with a character. It certainly reminded me of the time I had to let my friend down easy. oooohhh but is that too harsh? But if I'm not explicit will he get the message?

                                    [–]pariskovalofaYou are a living embodiment of the 'post-fact era'. 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                    My ideal DA party is Zevran, Isabel, and Bull.

                                    We will be known as the Party Rockers.

                                    [–]lolpancakeslol 107ポイント108ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    The ANTI-SJW crowd is triggered when devs try to be all inclusive.

                                    [–]Augmata 72ポイント73ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Which is hilarious. Because I remember just five years ago or so, whenever somebody moaned about there not being enough diversity in games, those people would always respond with "If you SJWs want these types of characters in games, why don't you go ahead and make your own games?? Stop trying to force people to be more inclusive!!"

                                    And now that companies are making their games more inclusive of their own accord and minorities are developing their own games, they cry about it and try to force their will on those people.

                                    Funny how easily those roles reverse.

                                    [–]Emotional_Turbopleb/u/spez edited this comment 79ポイント80ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    The ANTI-SJW crowd is triggered when devs try to be all even remotely inclusive.

                                    FTFY

                                    [–]Hypocritical_OathArmchair Psychologist Specialist [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                    The ANTI-SJW crowd is triggered when devs try to be all even remotely inclusive accurate to history and reality in general.

                                    FTFY

                                    [–]ChainedDog [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                    Wait, are you telling me that not everyone is straight and white?

                                    [–]YesThisIsDrake"Monogamy is a tool of the Jew" 30ポイント31ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                    Honest answer? Easy romances are masturbatory and terrible stories.

                                    Story arises from conflict. If every character sleeps with you (usually the end of the romance) right off the bat, then I mean. That's just kind of it. No drama, no character development, just boom you did anal now you don't really talk anymore.

                                    Just like real life.

                                    [–]Felinomancy 23ポイント24ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                    I would like to be part of your life where you can have anal with someone and not talk to them any more afterwards.

                                    I assume we're not talking about prostitutes here, though. I can get that in my own life.

                                    [–]YesThisIsDrake"Monogamy is a tool of the Jew" 27ポイント28ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                    You still talk but it's all awkward and she sends you a meme pic from one 3 years ago and you can't even bring yourself to send a haha back.

                                    What I ended up realizing over the course of many attempts at dates is that I have no idea what I want. Like I basically just want a female version of me, but it has to be literally me because I'm on this knife-edge of energetic and opinionated that I somehow manage to get away with by being funny. And if any of those things fall out of balance then I'd be terrible to be around.

                                    I tried to do "normal" girlfriend type and oh God I cannot have a conversation with them they are so boring. I tried weird non mainstream girl and she started talking about how much she hated Twilight in 2016 and I was like "man what the fuck am I doing here." she also had really small teeth. That bothers me.

                                    So I'm looking for a girlfriend who is confident and intelligent, but also humble and funny, ambitious but might want kids at some point, likes video games but doesn't sit around on the couch, and has a good sense of humor but doesn't make constant shitty jokes.

                                    I don't know why I'm relating this story to you.

                                    I did just eat a whole thing of olives so I'm feeling a little frisky.

                                    [–]Felinomancy 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    mfw reading all this

                                    [–]leadnpotatoes💩 will probaby just shitpost on fetlife eventually. 💩 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Like I basically just want a female version of me

                                    This is great and all until you realize that neither of you have done the damn dishes for like 8 days and the floor hasn't been swept ever.

                                    [–]YesThisIsDrake"Monogamy is a tool of the Jew" [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                    The real problem is that we'd both be expecting the other person to do the chores, up until we both get sick of it at identical moments. Then we just angrily clean around each other.

                                    [–]KEM10"All for All!" -The Free Marketeers [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                    Welcome to marriage.

                                    [–]SergeantPeprSeize the memes of production! 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Oh thank christ it's not just me feeling like all that. :/

                                    [–]YesThisIsDrake"Monogamy is a tool of the Jew" 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    I actually just think it's pretty funny.

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                                      [–]CasaBlackabutter overdoses 62ポイント63ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                      It makes guys uncomfortable that a small minority of games want their giant cinematic universe to be artistic and deep by including these types of characters to further branch out your options narratively.

                                      It's this kind of drama that will prevent video games from ever being taken seriously as an art form.

                                      [–]knife_missileMy butter is ready. 43ポイント44ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      Which is hilarious to me, because I almost never make use of any romance options. The closest I got was in Dragon Age: Origins because of the charming INSERT GIFTS, GET THE SEX mechanic.

                                      [–]CasaBlackabutter overdoses 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Yeah, honestly with games like Dragon Age or Mass Effect or The Witcher these plotlines that lead to having scenes like this are completely up to the player's device. I don't really see why its worth getting worked up over.

                                      [–]Omen12 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I honestly care less about the sex and more about the romance and relationship stuff.

                                      Except God of War. Those scenes were straight up hilarious.

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                                        [–]lolpancakeslol 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        It makes guys uncomfortable that a small minority of games want their giant cinematic universe to be artistic and deep by including these types of characters to further branch out your options narratively. When games try to have something other than a handsome brown haired male or a super sexy waifu as characters.

                                        [–]leadnpotatoes💩 will probaby just shitpost on fetlife eventually. 💩 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        handsome

                                        You misspelled "generic" there.

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                                          [–]JeanneDOrc 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          He's mad at the option tree he'll never encounter... or more likely sadwanking while he watches a shitty mocap porno.

                                          [–]lord_james 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          ... I mean, let's not pretend that the relationship bullshit is subtle in BioWare games. I had to tell Tali I wasn't into her so many times that I was considering going to HR.

                                          [–]BetterCallViv 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Nothing.

                                          [–]Ardailec 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                          I'll Advocate for the Devil here.

                                          A large amount of Bioware's stuff is generally based on Wish Fulfillment. This isn't bad in and of itself, but it can kind of cause problems and make Characters feel less like their own beings and more like just vessels that the player can influence.

                                          Good example of this is Samara from Mass Effect. One of her defining traits is just how zealously she devotes herself to her Justicar code and how she juxtaposes it with her own set of morals. Even though her code does permit it, she never wants to be in any sort of relationship again because of the guilt from all three of her children being Ardat Yakshi (Blue Space Vampires for those who aren't familiar with it.)

                                          You can't get past this wall, whether Male, Female, Renegade or Paragon. Samara is Samara, and you cannot really manipulate her morals or way of thinking unlike how you can with other characters.

                                          Whether we like it or not, Sexuality is a defining character trait. But if you compromise a character's individuality for the sake of the Player's Wish Fulfillment it can make for characters that feel less like their own people and just toys for you to play with.

                                          [–]cryinginfrench 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Two things, both coming from the perspective of someone who's played ME several times but never Dragon Age:

                                          1. I disagree that Bioware is primarily about/based on wish fulfillment. One of the things I love about Shepard as a protagonist is that she (or he I guess ugh) is a very defined character regardless of which choices you make. She very much isn't generic or defined by what the player wants, nor is the story. If it was, we would've been able to save the damn galaxy perfectly rather than choosing between three very imperfect scenarios that all carried heavy consequences.

                                          2. As far as love interests go: these are characters and not real people. They can be designed from the ground up to be bisexual/pansexual if that is what you want to do with your game. You're not compromising the one true version of these characters because they don't exist anywhere outside the writers' minds.

                                          Further, in Mass Effect, with a few tiny exceptions (and some larger ones in ME3) you're treated exactly the same playing as MShep or FShep. It doesn't change the way characters relate to you at all except in romance-gating. As far as I can remember, beyond a few explicit expressions of preferences, there doesn't seem to be a stigma against same-sex relationships in the ME universe's time period (I think Kaidan may've struggled with his own attraction to Shep but I haven't played that romance so I'm not sure? It seemed like more of a "oh no I thought i was straight" than a "oh no i'm gay and that's bad" though.) So it wouldn't make any difference to most of the characters to remove a few lines and have all romances open to all characters. Sexuality is only a defining character trait if you make it one.

                                          No set sexual orientations isn't remotely the same thing as Samara's choice, either. Samara, despite being able to show attraction for both male and female Shepards of high enough paragon score, rejects romance entirely. If Bioware had made her romanceable for ANYONE it would've been BS, because rejecting romance is a major part of her characterization. That's pretty different from letting the player go through the same romance with the same dialogue with different pronouns and voice actors and character models.

                                          edit: shit that got long I have a lot of feelings about mass effect i'm sorry

                                          [–]Ardailec 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          The Wish Fulfillment thing more comes from Dragon Age then Mass Effect since, like you said Shepard is a relatively defined person where ass The Grey Warden, Hawke and I assume The Inquisitor (I never played Inquisition) lean far more into the blank slot side of things.

                                          Either way, I'm just provide one reasonable side of the argument against running into another situation like in DA:2, where all of the character's preferences centered on the Player instead of themselves.

                                          [–]Goroman86 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Okay but you use Bioware as the bad thing and point to Bioware's character development as an answer. Not sure what is happening here or why you consider that "advocating for the devil."

                                          Bioware has done a great job progressively working in different identities/sexualities into their storylines over the years. Samara was not an oddity nor an Indicator of any change in their writing. There will will always be non-romanceable companions, regardless of your character's race, species, gender, etc.

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                                              [–]BetterCallViv 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I could of swore I was in r/gamingcirclejerk for a second.

                                              [–]JayrassicPark 47ポイント48ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                              Meanwhile, Obsidian has LGBT characters and non-white folk, but it's okay because they're 90s devs.

                                              [–]IceCreamBalloonsEthics are forged in the fires of flamewar 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                              Arcade Gannon, he's my always companion in New Vegas. But that's honestly 90% because he's voiced by Zachary Levi, and I love me some Chuck.

                                              [–]somethingToDoWithMe 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Veronica was/is my homegirl. Literally fuck everyone else, once I find Vernoica, she stays with me. She was/is always my favorite with her cheerful attitude and love of punching things.

                                              [–]LukaColaYOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              He was gay? I shoulda used him more as a companion, but he just wasn't a great fighter...

                                              [–]JayrassicPark 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Iirc, it's only brought up if you ask him about it (I forget the exact way you get him to it - I know he mentions failed relationships in passing) or if you hit on him as a female. It's been a while.

                                              [–]IceCreamBalloonsEthics are forged in the fires of flamewar 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              It's a very minor part of his character, as I recall, you'll only figure it out if you pay attention to pronoun usage.

                                              And combat ability doesn't matter when you're sniping everything in the head for criticals.

                                              [–]icemakeBig Poppa-corn 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Arcade is highly intelligent, personable, and quick-witted. He sports a strong self-deprecating sense of humor, which he frequently uses to deflect questions of a personal nature. However, a Courier with the Confirmed Bachelor perk can flirt with him to discover that he's gay.

                                              i didn't use him because he was so fucking smug

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                                                [–]Mystic8ball¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                Obsidian games are actually well written though. I have absolutely no issues with gay/lesbian/whatever relationships being an option in videogames, but the way Mass Effect handled these elements was very hamfisted.

                                                MINOR SPOILERS FOR ME3 IF ANYONE CARES

                                                Take Kaiden for example, throughout ME 1+2 he showed no romantic interest in (Male) Shepard, but suddenly in ME3 the switch was flipped to HARDO GAY mode and it just comes completely out of the left field. Finding out that Kaiden was gay could have been a great character moment but the way you find out is just him spouting "ARE YOU HITTING ON ME SHEPARD? ;)" when talking to him normally. Then the sexual tension never stops regardless of how you act towards him.

                                                If you're going to turn a character gay why wasn't it Garrus? C'mon Bioware step it up.

                                                [–]JayrassicPark 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                He does the same thing to a Femshep, though, and contrast with the human lesbian, Traynor, who you only find out is gay if you go out of your way to flirt with.

                                                excuse you, the only thing garrus should love is his rifle

                                                [–]Mystic8ball¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                Seems like Kaidens issue is just Shitty writing, but at least with Femshep there was the chance that she and Kaiden may have been romantically involved at one point if you actually went through with his romance route in the first game.

                                                For Maleshep though it's just woefully out of place and comes out of nowhere. I actually burst out laughing when I saw it, it was like reading some sort of fanfic written by a 15 year old girl. I guess Bioware are just better at writing lesbian relationships rather than gay ones. Doesn't help that every game in the series had a different lead writer.

                                                I can't really comment on the Dragon Age series as I never played it, but I hear that Origins was particularly bad with its gay stuff too. Though that's probably just a byproduct of the awful writing that game had in general.

                                                [–]JayrassicPark 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                It's just shitty writing - he hit on my Femshep, despite her showing no romantic interest in him during ME1 and being in a relationship with Liara that continued through all three games. The way it's delivered, too. "I have feelings for you, commander." Congrats, you earned yourself a trip back in time where I rescued Ashley, instead!!

                                                I won't comment on Dragon Age, as I'm not a fan of its combat, but I thought its writing was solid from what I saw.

                                                [–]LukaColaYOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Congrats, you earned yourself a trip back in time where I rescued Ashley, instead!!

                                                Will she get to keep her facelift and boob job that the hospital apparently gave her while she was out?

                                                [–]centennialcraneme -> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)╯╲___卐卐卐卐 <- mods 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Origins didn't really have "gay" stuff per se - two of the romance options were bisexual though. DA2, all the romance options were Hawke-sexual - you could romance them as either gender and nothing much was made of their orientation. DAI was the first one to have a gay (Dorian) and a lesbian (Sera) option. Sera was just a character that happened to like girls. Dorian had a whole side story about Tevinter being homophobic and well, stuff happening, and some people complained that it was cliche, but apparently IIRC it was based on the actual experiences of one of the writers, so I wouldn't say it was bad.

                                                Also, I thought that Kaiden was originally meant to be a romance option for either Shep in ME1 but they had to cut it, so they put it in ME3 because they finally could.

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                                                  [–]boydrice 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                  Because they actually can write ok and don't give a damn about romance options.

                                                  [–]c3534l 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                  If I recall correctly, the only character you could romance in Fallout: New Vegas was Fisto.

                                                  [–]SchrauZero to Kiefer Sutherland really freaking fast 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  ASSUME THE POSITION.

                                                  [–]Tacitus_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  You can hit it off with the lady running the fighting pits if you get her everything she wants.

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                                                    [–]FlyingFailure 64ポイント65ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    Must... Not... Grandstand...

                                                    Must... Not... Grandstand...

                                                    [–]Fala1 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Only off topic grandstanding is forbidden right?

                                                    [–]-Sam-R-Immortan Sam[M] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Correct. If a thread is approved, yes you're allowed to talk about the thread's topic of course.

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                                                      [–]Vault91 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      oh please there weren't even proper gays in Mass Effect until ME3

                                                      [–]RustInHellThatcher 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      I always thought that one of the major reasons why totally not bigoted assholes hate modern Bioware is the fact that the financial success of their games torpedoes their constantly repeated claims that "SJWs" don't buy videogames.

                                                      [–]The_End_of_All 208ポイント209ポイント  (125子コメント)

                                                      Oh-no-bioware-diversified-because-liberals-like-me-have-money. Waaah. So every single game isnt Tits Shootsalot or Neckless Angsty White Guy, better toss my monster cans with rage. Seriously, bioware makes good sales on their games, so they keep making them. Im bored on Geralt fucking every dryad and bar maid with two dialogue hits. I like relationship drama with my bloody fights. Sadly, geralt was the weakest element of the witcher games, the world was amazing.
                                                      Edit: also a world can have dragons but transgender is pushing it? I loved all those historically correct demons in the witcher.

                                                      [–]mightyandpowerful 149ポイント150ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      Don't be ridiculous. The historical documentary Dragon Age: Inquisition is clearly set in the time period before non-white people and gay people and trans people were invented.

                                                      [–]fingerpaintswithpoop 52ポイント53ポイント  (50子コメント)

                                                      Did you even play The Witcher 3? There's lots of drama in Geralt's relationships, especially between him and Yennefer, and Triss to a lesser extent. And how was Geralt the weakest element in the games?

                                                      [–]TheHumdrumOfIniquity 97ポイント98ポイント  (44子コメント)

                                                      He's not, but I understand why people tend to counterjerk against Geralt and Witcher 3; reddit gamers suck CD Project Red's dick hard.

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                                                        [–]Thurgood_Marshalldead inside 23ポイント24ポイント  (42子コメント)

                                                        I think you can have sex with about five women outside of brothels in Witcher III

                                                        [–]FoximusMaximus 11ポイント12ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                        I find these games (both Mass Erect and His Witchiness) way more enjoyable just practically ignoring 75% of the relationship nonsense. They're usually terribly written and hamfisted, taking me out of what is normally a fun story into silly insulting nonsense. I could enjoy the quality gameplay and writing without cringing over the silly cut scenes that catered to 13 year old boys (Witcher 3 was harder though, as it often just happened).

                                                        Baldur's Gate 1/2 were way better about this kind of thing. I don't need to see two textured meshes awkwardly going at it, I've got porn if I really want that. BG gave you way more writing around relationships unburdened by the need for voice acting, and seemed far more believable. Or maybe it's my own 13 year old self talking.

                                                        [–]RicoSavageLAER 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        Eh. I'm the kind of person who is 75% more likely to buy a video game if there are player-dictated romances involved and I'm far from alone in that.

                                                        Are these romances Downton Abbey? No, they're more like Law and Order or True Blood and I'm cool with that because I don't expect a masterclass in romance from a video game. The easygoing wal-mart bookshelf romances are just the sweet, sweet gravy on top. And since characters are otherwise so well defined and likeable, romances are even more popular because players can let their imaginations run wild and fill in the gaps themselves. That's the nature of a role-playing game

                                                        [–]The_End_of_All 17ポイント18ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                        You know which relationship actually got to me, on a deeper level than most games? Anderson in Mass Effect. No spoilers but Mass Effect three left me crying concerning Anderson. No ham fisted romance, no forced emotions. Just the shared relationship between the three games left me crying at 3 am. So they werent all bad!

                                                        [–]Jadis750 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        That final scene with both of them together was so perfect. I want to hate ME 3 so hard, but it truly had great moments.

                                                        [–]The_End_of_All 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        God it was. The great moments really made up for the shoddy ones. When you see Wrex giving his "motivational speech" prior to the attack I could have about died. Now thinking back I keep finding these absolutely perfect moments that somehow outshine the bad. Mordin Solus, that is all I need to say there.

                                                        [–]IceCreamBalloonsEthics are forged in the fires of flamewar 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Mordin for me. Granted, that had little to do with his relationship to Shepard, just his characterization on its own.

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                                                            [–]johnyann 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Im just pissed I didn't get to eiffel tower with my boy Garrus.

                                                            [–]FolkLoki 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            There are people who find Kratos attractive? Like, Geralt I can kiiinda see, but Kratos?

                                                            [–]Unicornmayo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                            When I played it, I did pick it up randomly. I played 30 hours before I realized I was forcing myself to play it just to get my $60 worth. I think I sold it after a week or so to put some money toward my fallout 4 preorder.

                                                            Because that was the bastion of great story and writing. /s

                                                            [–]taterbizkit 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                            The problem with bioware's RPG products is their tedious obsession with phony attempts at alignment.

                                                            [–]ANewMachine615 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                            And that every character has the same steps in their narrative arc. Recruit in act 1, get to know in act 2 with hints at greater depth, and in act 3 do a loyalty mission showing off the act 2 hinted depths.

                                                            [–]pariskovalofaYou are a living embodiment of the 'post-fact era'. 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            I think that's a challenge of game structure. And the last token Bioware really tried to mess with (even slightly) their general game arc/structure, DA2 got dragged all over the place.

                                                            [–]Boltarrow5Shitposter Extraordinaire [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                            Are you trying to tell me that the more time you spend around someone the more you get to know about them? PREPOSTEROUS!!

                                                            [–]Fauler_Lentz 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            I absolutely hate the good / neutral / bad choice system that basically dictates which dialogue options you're going to choose for a type of character. Taking some sort of middle path where you evaluate the choices in each dialogue will make you miss out on the benefits of going to either extreme.

                                                            The Witcher, even the first part, did this a lot better. You can be an asshole or a nice guy if you want, but you're not going to get a better result for consistently selecting those dialogue options. And quite often, you have to choose between two equally bad options like the nazi knights and the terrorist elves.

                                                            [–]Galle_ 52ポイント53ポイント  (58子コメント)

                                                            Honestly, though, why is The Witcher 3 so popular? Am I just the only person who avoids western RPGs with no character customization on principle?

                                                            EDIT: Bonus "I don't know what the word 'transvestite' means":

                                                            There was an actual "transvestite" or cross dresser in the witcher... Dandelion's friend, remember?

                                                            A man in drag is not the same as a woman who claims she's a man.

                                                            It's a man in drag. At no point does the character you're referring to ever insist on being called a woman. He's a man who likes to wear dresses.

                                                            [–]Garethp 42ポイント43ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                            Eh, probably not the only.

                                                            I'd say it's so popular because it's so good at works building. It's got a theme, it's got lore and it often explains the lore subtly, through clues here and there. Yes, there's a bestiary, but you never feel the need to check it to understand what's going on. Every character feels in place and every voice feels like it's adding to the world.

                                                            In short, it does such a good job at building up it's world and characters that playing it feels like stepping in to the world completely. It's engaging in a huge way

                                                            [–]LadnilWhy is everyone on the internet so weird? 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            The advantage The Witcher 3 has in not letting you customize your character that much is that the story is a lot better written and coherent than a game where the writers have to account for you potentially being male, female, a swordsman, an archer, a wizard, good, evil, pretty, grotesque, human, alien, or elf. It's all about the specifics, where you'll meet characters who have a history with Geralt, where people talk about his white hair and scars, where Geralt himself has prejudices, etc. Lots of depth and details in the world that games aren't able to do when they try to build a wide sandbox to let you be whatever you want.

                                                            It makes the places where the game offers you two branching story options a lot more natural since it's not stuck offering you diametrically opposed good or evil options. The game offers you two plausible things that the fully fleshed out character named Geralt of Rivia might do which are both fraught with moral gray area, and both have satisfying conclusions, and that's not just limited to the main story quests either, the game is massive and the detail and craftsmanship runs through all of it.

                                                            I think it's the best single player game since perhaps Half Life 2, and the best game in its genre ever, no contest. But if you want customization and your fantasy you want to live out while gaming doesn't match Geralt's ethos, I can see why you wouldn't be captured by TW3.

                                                            [–]michfreak 19ポイント20ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                            Honestly, though, why is The Witcher 3 so popular? Am I just the only person who avoids western RPGs with no character customization on principle?

                                                            It's something I've been puzzling over increasingly with each game. I can admit that I do find Geralt interesting as a character, someone who is "super-duper hardcore original character do-not-steal" levels of lame high school cool on the surface, but then nuanced and turned on its head at a number of different locations. And the world at least feels fleshed out and fully-realized. There are also a number of attempts to make the choices you make much greater gray areas than many other games do.

                                                            But... apart from that, I really am unsure. Those are more minor bullet points, in my mind. The world of the Witcher 3 has not managed to captivate me, just as the world of TW2 didn't when it came out and was acclaimed, and when TW1 came out and was described as a flawed-but-excellent gem to me.

                                                            I really should stop trying. But I like fantasy and broken tropes so much.

                                                            [–]B_Rhino 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            Also free DLC.

                                                            Cut a beard, short missiong, and new game+ out and let them download it a few weeks later for free and gamers are on your DICK.

                                                            [–]LukaColaYOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                            And the world at least feels fleshed out and fully-realized.

                                                            But does it ever really break past the surface for more than a second before you're whisked away to the next story?

                                                            I feel it did with the Baron, we got to explore a truly troubled individual. But past that, I don't think it really happens, which is a huge shame. Even just the politics could be interesting, but the most I remember about them is Geralt bitching about wearing nice clothes.

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                                                              [–]misanthropdick/r/Trump_Fans_Are_Stupid 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              I loved witcher 3. I loved the story and combat and everything.

                                                              [–]BrQQQ 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              People just find different things important?

                                                              It probably allows creating a better fitting environment (as in your character would fit in well in its environment) and a more detailed story that can use your looks in some way. Although those benefits would be minor probably.

                                                              I just don't care about customization. In a game like dragon age origins or some version of mount and blade, I just use the randomize character option every time. I much more prefer that I'm just given a character to play as

                                                              [–]OIPthe cheese is old and moldy 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              RPGs with no character customization

                                                              i played the nioh beta and it was fucking great but the fact that you have to play as some cliched scar faced moody tough guy was super irritating. lasted about 2 hours in lords of the fallen, and it's the main reason i have avoided the witcher too. just makes me feel like i'm supposed to be 14 years old.

                                                              [–]beanfiddlerfree speech means never having to say you're sorry 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Nah, you're not the only one. If it has no character customization, it has to hook me based on the main character pretty quickly. For example, Assassin's Creed 2 did that great with Ezio. The FF series is generally good at it too. But I tried to get into the Witcher. I actually did. But I could give a shit about Gerald (or whatever the fuck his name is).

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                                                                [–]Dank-Parrotsalty popcorn 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                You can't be gay in Witcher because Geralt is not gay - simple as that. It's funny how people get mad that you can't make homosexual a heterosexual but still wanted CDPR to make Geralt bi.

                                                                this guy doesn't know what "fictional character" means

                                                                [–]B_Rhino 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                You can't make Theon's sister bi in season 6 because she is not bi in the books - simple as that!

                                                                oh wait now she's got a girl's tit halfway down her throat.

                                                                [–]H2shampoo 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                It's that looseness in adaptation that gives me hope for an Arya × Bran ship.

                                                                [–]Galle_ 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                What, did we dig up even more secret Targs now?

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                                                                  [–]TobyTheRobot 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Well -- I mean to be fair, a fictional character can have established attributes. I suppose there's nothing preventing the screen writer of the next Bond flick from having him become a werewolf or become a teetotaler or talk like he's from SoCal or develop psychic powers or whatever else; I mean he's a fictional character and the world's your oyster. Nevertheless, I suspect many reasonable people would probably protest "that's not how James Bond acts!"

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                                                                    [–]Minticus-Maximus 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                    I have thousands of reasons to call Dragon Age Inquisition a bad game.

                                                                    Adding an awesome gay wizard and a interesting transsexual are not some of them. They play such a small part in a far more massive and interesting world, if you have an issue with them, I think you're focusing a little too hard on hating anything close to SJWing, even though it's barely anything to do with social justice.

                                                                    [–]ispariz 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    I think it's a good but flawed gamr. But yeah. The gays have NOTHING to do with it.

                                                                    [–]Boltarrow5Shitposter Extraordinaire [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Dorian was my fuckin g. Didn't fuck but me and him were tight.

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                                                                      [–]Paradoxius 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                      Are there any transgender characters is Mass Effect? Like, any at all?

                                                                      [–]captainersatzCabal of Cock 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Nah, but the last ME game was before DA:I and DA:I was the first time they really broached the topic with any seriousness, and I'd say while they were far from perfect they did far far better than I dared to hope for. Their slipups were mostly regarding how you could interact with the character more than anything else, Krem himself was actually really well done, and there were some interesting insights into how a non-human culture in that world viewed gender. I would not be at all surprised for Andromeda to feature a trans character tho.

                                                                      The Asari are just their bullshit way to make lesbians while giggling and saying that they aren't really lesbians because blah blah blah.

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