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Letters threatening genocide against Muslims and praising Trump sent to multiple California mosques (latimes.com)

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[–]Ohmygorb 301ポイント302ポイント  (55子コメント)

Whoever sent these must be very anxious about the economy.

[–]Viol33 148ポイント149ポイント  (45子コメント)

That or a bad case of hurt feelings after being unfairly called "racist."

[–]falynw 38ポイント39ポイント  (35子コメント)

That just doesn't make sense to me. If their feelings are hurt over being called racists, why would they do things that are objectively racist (unless they were racist to begin with)? What endgoal could that serve?

[–]habitant86 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're not hurt over being labelled racists because they don't see it as wrong. They think it's perfectly normal.

To them, being accused of racism hurts because the accuser is basically saying "I know better than you" or "I am smarter/more educated than you".

IMO

[–]BaronVonPwny 46ポイント47ポイント  (3子コメント)

You see, they don't actually care if they are racist or not, they just don't want to be called out on it. They don't think "Oh man, they found out I'm racist, I feel bad", they think "Fuck those guys for calling me racist, I'll show them, I'm not gonna listen to them or help them ever again". Its like how many, many lower-class people think they are middle class and won't ever admit otherwise. "Temporarily embarrassed millionaire" and all that.

[–]imbonesjim 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

When I get called racist: "Oh, shit. I'm sorry." Continue to ponder internally for far too long about why I said what I said and where it came from. Overanalyze the whole situation, and then vow to do better.

When a Trumper gets called racist: Stop pulling the race card you PC pussy! Fuck you. Maybe if you libruls wouldn't call me racist all the time, I'd stop fucking you over! Rabble rabble rabble!

Honestly, people need to get over it when people call out racism. As the song goes, everyone is a little bit racist. We live in a country with an odd culture that bases everything on race (which isn't based on biology or science at all - it's a colonial concept). It's pervasive, a cancer. If we want to change racism in this country, we have to accept that it is pervasive and the only way to try and alleviate the damage is to cognitively check ourselves.

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    [–]-14k- 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Meanwhile, I sit here wondering why everyone is convinced that the people anxious about the economy are exactly the same people who are racist.

    We need some more Venn diagrams, I think!

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        [–]Blackbeard_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Or got lost while looking for /r/worldnews

        [–]KingBananaDong 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I wish the government would treat each of these threats as a potential terrorist attack.

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          [–]ResistTrumpAlways 223ポイント224ポイント  (123子コメント)

          Time to start beating Nazi ass. Fortunately for them they hide behind usernames and anonymous letters like the cowardly racist worms they are.

          [–]bobbobbobbob12 103ポイント104ポイント  (14子コメント)

          They're such hypocrites and get triggered so easily. I just got banned from an anti sjw sub for calling them out on this in the comments. they banned me pretty quick. Bunch of babies.

          [–]Whiteness88 68ポイント69ポイント  (3子コメント)

          To extend that hypocrisy, they banned you despite constantly talking shit about censorship, freedom of expression and 1st amendment nonsense (despite the fact that people are ignoring about what it really means).

          [–]GibsonLP86 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

          The only amendment the fascists care about is the second.

          [–]ScribbleBliss 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          They care about the First Amendment also, but only inasmuch as they think it defends their making death threats and disseminating hate speech on privately owned websites like Twitter and Reddit.

          [–]The_cuckmaker 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The only amendments that real fascists care about are the ones they get to have.

          [–]introversed 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

          No group is a legitimate group if they can't engage legitimate debate. This group is a fragile echo chamber - just a feelings club - with no heft.

          [–]YoureGonnaHateMeALot 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Enough heft to win elections all throughout NATO

          [–]larry_appleton420 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Not out of popular support, but using tricks that won't work twice. Nobody's going to save you when you're getting your teeth knocked out.

          [–]ChrisTosi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          but using tricks that won't work twice.

          They know that, which is why we should all be very afraid when one of them takes power. They'll take it and then grab on with everything they've got to stay in power.

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            [–]tmc_throwaway 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            They're really bad for indulging in their own twisted political correctness, while bemoaning SJWs and suchlike.

            [–]infininme 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            They want to live in a bubble where they can have support for their outrage. They want to think they are better than other people, they want a place to land their rage, and they probably don't care that their news is fake; as long as it continues to justify their anger, they will spread it and support it. They don't want to deal with the messy emotional complications that the truth brings.

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              [–]shadowlightfox 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You'll find a lot of them in /r/worldnews.

              [–]cake_by_the_lake 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's time... time for Trolltrace.com

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                [–]AlfredoJQuackus 666ポイント667ポイント  (307子コメント)

                Doesn't matter what he does or says now, Neo Nazis have seen a complete legitimization of their ideology, one which should have died 70 years ago.

                This is Trump's America.

                [–]theTruus 234ポイント235ポイント  (142子コメント)

                Trump owns this.

                [–]spotted_dick 144ポイント145ポイント  (50子コメント)

                I don't think he gives a fuck.

                [–]TechyDad 124ポイント125ポイント  (16子コメント)

                Hey, he turned to the camera and said "stop it." What more can he do? Wag his finger at them vigorously? /s

                [–]BlackSpidy 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                "It makes me very sad to hear that this is happening, and I say to that... stop it. I'll even look into the camera stop it "

                [–]gorgewall 23ポイント24ポイント  (11子コメント)

                I'm not even sure he did that much.

                [–]TechyDad 90ポイント91ポイント  (5子コメント)

                He did say "stop it" on one TV interview, but he was prompted to do it by the interviewer. It almost seemed like a teen being told to pick up his dirty laundry instead of playing video games. (Something I have personal experience with.) They do it, but it's under protest and only done half-heartedly.

                [–]CannabinoidAndroid 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Maybe you're just like, not tapping into his feelings, man. Like do you know how much effort it takes to BE somebody, man? Like god, did you just totally time-warp into someone uncool and forget like laundry is the way society gets us to compress ourselves under an orwellian mix of cottons and silks??!

                /s Yeah, laundry, the toilet training of the teenager. I can't speak for everyone but if the person who is in charge of laundry is willing to leave the clothes he likes in their own unwashed pile and make him responsible for his own shit it can help with the problem.

                And yes Trump is a fucking 70 year old teenage boy. He's putting all his friends in charge of stuff because they're cool and they have fake IDs so they can totally buy beer.

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                    [–]hipcatjazzalot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Staaahp it. I mean it.

                    [–]Ruval 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    He can't wag too vigorously or his chins will wag too. We know he hates that.

                    [–]ChrisTosi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Said it and then in the same interview defended Breitbart and Steve Bannon. I don't know if Trump even sees ideology - I think he only sees people as loyal or disloyal.

                    [–]theTruus 5ポイント6ポイント  (31子コメント)

                    That's his problem not mine.

                    [–]Folsomdsf 88ポイント89ポイント  (28子コメント)

                    he's 70 years old and has money, it's not his problem, it's your problem. He'll be dead long before it's his problem, age does that.

                    [–]fog_rolls_in 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Tangential question, but related to his aloofness: Has DT ever set foot in a middle-class home (let alone a poor family or person's home)? As I celebrated Thanksgiving in a rural area of a swing state with a lot of T signs still up I couldn't help but imagine him visiting their homes, and what that would be like for him and his voters. No camera's around to perform to, just T and these people meeting each other.

                    [–]Folsomdsf 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Would it surprise you if I said... yes.

                    I am 100% sure he has been inside a middle class home just based on past business partners he has had who were at the time middle class when they would have met him. I am quite certain that at some point he has been inside a middle class home.

                    [–]fog_rolls_in 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Thanks. I wouldn't be surprised - I think your example is likely. But your example is also in the context of a business deal or goings-on and would necessitate a performance out of DT. I guess I'm going into some fiction story territory and just trying imagine him meeting "regular folks" because they are citizens and not part of some money deal or publicity.

                    [–]Political_talk_Acc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Well it's possible he hasn't, but then again besides friends and families, If you aren't doing it because of publicity or for a monetary gain, who's homes would you be entiring and why? I mean it just seems odd to be going into other people's home for the reason being, "to get in touch"

                    [–]eviemcstevie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Wouldn't his business partners, especially those with less money than him, come to see him at his home?

                    [–]ademnus 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    No, what he means is whenever someone tries to blame Trump's upcoming debacles on someone else, we won't let them. I don't care if Trump become a zillionaire, he's not going to see a second term and he may go down in history as the biggest mistake / worst president we've ever had.

                    [–]Folsomdsf 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

                    he may go down in history as the biggest mistake / worst president we've ever had.

                    He's got one fucking hill to climb. That'd be a bigger feat than actually being a success. We've had some real.. shitty presidents in the past. We have had presidents so bad liberals and conservatives agree they were shit like Ulysses S. Grant and the complete dumpster fire of Harding.

                    We've had presidents so bad that even with conservatives so pissy Obama doesn't even hit the below average mark. Not surprised when you have people like Grant, Harding, and Buchanan as past presidents, holy crap.

                    But seriously, when liberals AND conservatives for decades both count you as the worst president of all time.. you had to fuck up pretty hard Harding..

                    [–]pepedelafrogg 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Right off the bat he's already giving Harding a run for "most corrupt" and Andrew "Just Barely Not Impeached" Johnson a run for "least qualified".

                    [–]thelaststormcrow 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    And Andrew "Fuck the Supreme Court and the Cherokees" for least respect for the legal system.

                    [–]YayDiziet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Give it half a century. American citizens will be telling stories about how badass Trump was and "Oh the Trail of Tears? That's just something that happened at the same time. Those nasty rural Georgians, let me tell ya what. They's the ones that killed all them brown folks"

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                      [–]ademnus 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I would pit undead Ulysses Grant against Crazy-Train Trump any day.

                      [–]cowtow 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I could see Trump being bottom 10, though. He's got his work cut out for him to become as universally reviled as Andrew Johnson, but I think that he can do it if he tries hard enough.

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                          [–]spotted_dick 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Well, it's not really his problem is it? Like I said, he doesn't give a fuck. It's the rest of the country that might suffer under his administration.

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                              [–]aharvesterpromstrut 30ポイント31ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              White rural America owns this. Trump spewed it but white uneducated folks gave him power

                              [–]lillylenore 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              As do his supporters.

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                                [–]TooMuchToSayMan 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                CNN gave them airtime. They even put "so-and-so says "if Jews are people." you are a piece of shit organization if you think it is okay to give them a voice.

                                [–]therearesomewhocallm 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                These people exist. They'll soon be running the US government.
                                Should we pretend this is not happening?

                                [–]TooMuchToSayMan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                No, but by putting there bullshit on the air without clear cut opposition from all parties from the organization, and the interviewers were just pandering.

                                [–]howitzer86 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                This is the right answer. Right here. And who now is talking about the hate mail? It's not just CNN, or the LA Times, it's the whole establishment. Hate mail is nothing newsworthy.

                                They want you to react. They want people to beat each other up in the streets.

                                They want more news, and they'll burn the country down to get it.

                                [–]duggabboo 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                The only person burning the country for views was Trump.

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                                  [–]__kn0thing__ 51ポイント52ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                  This is Trump's America.

                                  i think it's fair comeuppance for all those people who took every single black crime report and pinned it on obama being 'the great divider.' unfortunately what this election has taught me is that the GOPs dirty games work, and they get results, and the sooner the dems start playing similar games, the sooner political discourse between the left and the right get on a more level playing field and hopefully about policies, albeit in a circuitous way.

                                  [–]fog_rolls_in 29ポイント30ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                  So when they go low we go lower? I don't think "dirty games" like lying to your constituents, manipulating their beliefs and morals, scapegoating, spreading fake news and gerrymandering is the answer. I mean, tired and cynical me gets this but I won't give up on the idea of perfecting democracy rather than gaming it.

                                  [–]__kn0thing__ 40ポイント41ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                  i wish i shared your optimism. this election beat out the recovering cynic in me.

                                  [–]fog_rolls_in 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  I hear you. My cynical self thought Hillary had this one in the bag because she would be far better at the background micro manipulations of rules and bending rules that would tilt voting in her favor even if she couldn't out emote DT in front of a crowd. But the GOP voter suppression worked...which is so depressing. But in that I see a grain of optimism, that part of winning the next election can be simply about getting more people registered to vote and get them to vote when the time comes. Easy, no, but simpler than gaming the system.

                                  [–]__kn0thing__ 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  and learn to harness narratives. even if it is nuanced, fuck nuance. going forward, increases in civil unrest are on the president's head. if he's not actively taking steps to reach out across the aisle and either condemn despicable acts as they gain courage or placate worried constituents, then he is partly responsible. and so is the GOP. and the senate majority leader. and the house speaker. mcconnell is willfully derelict of so many duties -- votes on the SCOTUS nominee, a check on donald trump's appointees, bipartisan healing of the country, etc. etc.

                                  [–]fog_rolls_in 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Yeah, there's going to be a lot of people in the streets for the next four years.

                                  [–]TheRealCJ 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  I'm already shuddering, thinking about what's going to happen when the federal government gives police carte blanche to deal with protesters they way they see fit...

                                  [–]eviemcstevie 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  My mom said to me: "Protest as much as you want now, because after his inauguration you'll have to stop for your own safety."

                                  [–]toastymow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  What will happen? People will die and it will be recorded on camera. Let's hope that motivates people to do something.

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                                    [–]Public_Fucking_Media 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                    There are ways to go low without resorting to that.

                                    I don't know what fucking idiot strategist told Hillary Clinton she could pull off the Michelle Obama "we go high", but that person should be shot.

                                    [–]fog_rolls_in 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    How? I think Hillary was laying out the negative adds pretty thick and taking the high road over DT is not a very high road....she could basically be herself and maintain the high road. It's just not in her ability to be anything other than lawyerly in public and that's the fault of central casting at the DNC, not her acting coaches as it were.

                                    [–]TheRealCJ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    The problem at this point is that the low road is so far below the high road that people can't actually see the high road... so they just believe the people who claim they have binoculars.

                                    [–]Public_Fucking_Media 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Not just sitting there and saying nothing while Trump paraded around her husband's mistresses, for a start.

                                    Gutter politics doesn't require lying to people and it can be very effective, there was no need to cede the entire low road to Trump.

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                                      [–]44OzStyrofoamCup 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Reminder, Trump was a Democrat before he became a Republican. Second reminder, the GOP fought against him as fiercely as the democrats did.

                                      [–]clone822 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      The GOP made my uncles think she had 4 people executed in Benghazi and committed email treason.

                                      [–]__kn0thing__ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      do you mean the GOP with paul 'that's textbook racism but i still support my candidate' ryan at the helm? is it that GOP that fought fiercely against trump? or how about mitch 'worst mannequin challenge ever' mcconnell?

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                                        [–]Maverick721 55ポイント56ポイント  (41子コメント)

                                        This one is on you too Trump voters, you vote is telling people that this is okay

                                        [–]nairibee 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        But he said "stop it." Isn't that enough?

                                        /s

                                        [–]centurion_celery 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        but economic anxiety and emails!!1111

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                                          [–]yes_a_new_account 374ポイント375ポイント  (115子コメント)

                                          What? What's the big deal? This is just like any other election. You liberals are just sore losers whining about losing. /s

                                          [–]2totwo 186ポイント187ポイント  (63子コメント)

                                          Really the sad thing is how this is such a betrayal of what we even stand for. America doesn't just means right to bear arms, it means freedom of religion too. Why do people thrill in betraying one of our most important tenets. I don't want to wear rose-coloreds but we are great because we accept all. Our success, going forward, will be based on how well we come together not how far we fall apart. I accept guns, anti-abortion stances, and wanting to devestate the environment, but any pilloring of a community like this is completely unacceptable and unamerican. If you're so damn proud to be an American start fucking acting like one.

                                          To any muslim out there who has felt afraid since this election, please know that many of us love you, and stand by you. We know how much you contribute to our greatness, and we are made greater by your inclusion. You're not muslim-American, you're just American. And I will always see you as just only that: American.

                                          [–]blackcain 35ポイント36ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                          All of us should be focusing on the down races in the midterm, we need to take over all the state legislature so that we are ready for the 2020 consensus.. the republicans are going to be working on that so that htey can consolidate. We need to boot Democratic politicians who do not understand or willing to understand the situation and take the right steps.

                                          [–]ademnus 25ポイント26ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                          I'd like to know why we didn't focus downticket now. All I hear from people is they just couldn't trust that mean old hillary but that were otherwise so progressive it hurt. They wanted a socialist, that's how far left they were. And then they let the GOP secure the entire government. What a load.

                                          [–]pepedelafrogg 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          A lot of people jumped on the Bernie train just because he was going to shake up the established order. They aren't actually socialists and probably are swallowing wholesale the Fidel Castro was le worst dictator ever and killed millions of people for no reason story right about now.

                                          [–]EnanoMaldito 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          he was a dictator, and he did kill thousands upon thousands of people. Those are facts, not opinions. And I'm not even american, my country has ahd a long standing relationship with Cuba, we were one of the few to stand against the diplomatic isolation Cuba suffered.

                                          But that doesn't mean that Castro wasn't a cruel dictator.

                                          [–]--o 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          The point was that (or so I believe, I'm a different poster) was that Fidel Castro has been greatly exaggerated. Compare Mao and Castro, now compare how the US deals with Cuba and how it deals with China.

                                          Something being based on facts isn't the same as it being factual, which is why you had to change what was said to make the claim that "those are facts". Sure, what you had were facts, but it's not what /u/pepedelafrogg actually said and that's the issue.

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                                              [–]robodrew 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              census*

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                                                [–]ademnus 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Well, the real surprise in store for them is that once you tear down religious freedom, it tears down for them as well. If they think activist Atheists are troublesome now, just wait until there's no freedom of religion anymore. The constitution that defends liberalism also defends conservatism; knock it down and watch it all fall down. So stupid.

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                                                  [–]sillybammy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Well actually it's not just liberals who want to see a recount. For example, Bush's lawyers also came forth and mentioned that there's enough to warrant doing one. I don't expect a change in the outcome but I do think it's good for democracy in this case.

                                                  Also let's not forget that Trump was going to refuse the election results if he won, too.

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                                                    [–]ademnus 51ポイント52ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                    But Obama is the most divisive president ever!!!

                                                    eyeroll

                                                    [–]takeashill_pill 192ポイント193ポイント  (60子コメント)

                                                    This is why abandoning so-called "identity politics" is pointless. Trump ran a campaign based on identity politics and little else. Everything was about race to some degree or another. Perennial conservative issues like abortion and LGBT rights (or the curtailing thereof) were completely ignored because they didn't play into the persecuted white man narrative. All politics are now identity politics, whether Sanders-progressives like it or not.

                                                    [–]ThiefOfDens 100ポイント101ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                                    Exactly. People complaining about identity politics often don't stop and think about how much the Right has contributed to that. When you have one side that is mostly white dudes who are always trying to legislate their discriminatory Bronze Age morality, identity politics are practically self-defense on the Left.

                                                    [–]Valarauth 64ポイント65ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                    Disparaging political correctness is often used as a way to make racism socially acceptable.

                                                    "There's a lot of political correctness in this country" - David Duke

                                                    He was polling at 13% in the state with more opposition from older voters because they knew who he was and didn't fall for it from him. Oddly enough he had 14% support among black voters.

                                                    [–]blackcain 5ポイント6ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                    If it wasn't for racism, black voters would be conservative voters.

                                                    [–]bmwill1983 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                    Err, not entirely sure that's true. I believe that public opinion research indicates African-Americans are broadly more supportive of the federal government and social safety net spending, while being opposed to excessively punitive criminal judgement. Black voters do tend to be more socially conservative on LGBT rights and abortion and less secular, so they're not a perfect fit on the liberal side of American politics, either. I'm trying to find research articles or books to back this up from my grad school days, will update if I can find them.

                                                    Edit: Best I have on hand at the moment is in Paul Frymer's Uneasy Alliances: Race and Party Competition in America, but it's quoting earlier research (Michael Dawson's Behind the Mule: Race and Class in African-American Politics and Katherine Tate's From Protest to Politics, from 1994 and 1993 respectively).

                                                    As both Dawson and Katherine Tate have found, African Americans regardless of class and education remain strikingly more liberal than whites on many national policy issues, particularly those germane to race politics. Two to five times as many blacks as whites provide the liberal response to questions regarding their support for federal aid to minorities, jobs programs, social services, and food stamps, as well as for spending on public schools and health care. (p. 147)

                                                    [–]blackcain 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                    Thank you for bringing in some data to my relative conjecture about the conservatism of black americans. Much appreciate the time and effort.

                                                    Let's assume that if there was financial equality, would black americans trend more socially conservative or not and would they vote republican?

                                                    [–]CowardiceNSandwiches 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    I suspect that if race and economic/class issues (and the attendant social ills) were equalized between black & white folks, you'd see black folks vote in broadly similar patterns to whites; based upon personal politics and morality.

                                                    That is a purely academic exercise, of course, given the deep, ab initio intertwining of race, class and politics in this country.

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                                                        [–]nlyles1 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        I wouldn't say that's true. A lot of blacks still rely on social programs and a lot of democratic policies over the past 50 years have sought to help the black community. I'd say if their wasn't such an issue with social conservatism you'd see a lot more black voters. However, even though we don't feel entirely understood by the left, we feel completely misunderstood and at points willfully misinterpreted by the right.

                                                        The fact that conservatives feel right to sit on their high horse and call black protesters "thugs" and look for any act of violence to call an entire protest a "riot" is sickening beyond disbelief. They look for 1 bad egg and call the entire bunch rotten because it fits their narrative, and appeals to their confirmation bias. The whole thing is wrong, and blacks don't want to be apart of their own persecution.

                                                        [–]wonderingwhether54 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        true

                                                        [–]midgetman433 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                        depends how you define conservatism, social or economic?

                                                        [–]mauxly 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        It's gasslighting.

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                                                            [–]imkillingmyselfnextm 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            LGBT rights (or the curtailing thereof) were completely ignored

                                                            He fucking picked Pence as his VP...Isn't that a statement in of its own self?

                                                            [–]lalilulelo09 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Identity politics are cancer

                                                            but I swear I'm actually not a nazi I prefer the term "Alt-Right", please respect my political affiliations.

                                                            Anyone on the right that things "identity politics" is a leftist issue should go back and see GG's reaction the the "Gamers Are Dead" article.

                                                            [–]imnotoriginal12345 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            whether Sanders-progressives like it or not.

                                                            rolls eyes

                                                            Was with you up until that....

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                                                              [–]13JH 53ポイント54ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              All that economic anxiety, eh? /s

                                                              [–]ThiefOfDens 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              http://imgur.com/a/xJy3B

                                                              [–]thezenithpoint 56ポイント57ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                              Spread American Hate Again

                                                              [–]dose_response 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Make America White Again.

                                                              Trump is dreaming of a white, white Christmas.

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                                                                [–]AisbeforeB 38ポイント39ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                Disgusting and cowardly acts. I hope people will continue to stand with their Muslim neighbors and condemn this evil and xenophobia.

                                                                [–]quaerex 103ポイント104ポイント  (38子コメント)

                                                                First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.

                                                                Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

                                                                Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

                                                                Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

                                                                (Pastor Martin Niemöller)

                                                                [–]zoinks690 22ポイント23ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                Thank goodness American education sucks, so most have never heard or seen this (much less understand it).

                                                                I'm just hoping to still be around when they get around to rounding up the Catholics because I want to see the looks on the faces of the folks who deluded themselves into believing they were "safe".

                                                                [–]howitzer86 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                In 1933, Hitler was just a Chancellor and had no real power. But he already had thugs on the street and motivated followers beating and killing Jews and foreigners left and right.

                                                                This is nothing like those times. Some fools are getting airtime, and some bigger fool got elected. But he's not going to be the real leader, he doesn't want to lead. Instead a committee of establishment Republicans will be at the controls. Look at who he's surrounding himself with.

                                                                That's why you're hearing all this backtrack from Trump now on healthcare, global warming, and soon I imagine the TTP will be back with a Republican stamp of approval and be worse than ever.

                                                                It's going to be bad, but no one is going to fucking round you up.

                                                                [–]Axxept 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                But he's not going to be the real leader, he doesn't want to lead.

                                                                Doesn't matter when all his advisers and his VP are willing to go down this path.

                                                                I think there is a underdog chance that Mexicans and Blacks are rounded up. But who cares, we're white, right? /s (See quote in OP...)

                                                                [–]Alienm00se 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                Mexican Americans could definitely start getting harassed ("papers please", "catch-and-release") and could have their families deported if they're found to be undocumented.

                                                                African Americans will certainly be the primary targets if his "nationwide stop-and-frisk" program becomes a reality.

                                                                Muslim Americans have the registry and possibility of internment to fear, ESPECIALLY if theres a major terror attack.

                                                                [–]Axxept 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Yup, I forgot the muslims, sorry.

                                                                Basically everyone who isn't a straight white man.

                                                                [–]Half_Gal_Al 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Its looking like he wants to be bush x 2. Crony capatalism to the next level.

                                                                [–]wonkmeharder 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Boy, is that what you're telling yourself so you'll sleep at night?

                                                                Bannon and Flynn are not "establishment Republicans" not by a long shot. Neither is Pence, really. And it's going to be those three running the show primarily. They don't have to kowtow to establishment Republicans, they BEAT them and they are well aware of it.

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                                                                  [–]FutureofPatriotism 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                  ...have never seen what? this excerpt? I learned this in every history class I have ever taken, maybe it was just your education that sucked

                                                                  [–]2016iscurrentyear 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Or maybe yours was just a good one. I had it in every history class as well, and I know I had a good education.

                                                                  [–]Neato 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  Our history classes usually didn't make it to WW2. World and US history starts at the beginning and rarely makes it to 1900.

                                                                  [–]Half_Gal_Al 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Speak for your school district. We learned all the way through the clinton administration at my school. Im high school class of 2011 for reference.

                                                                  [–]angry-mustache 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  Depends on which state you go to school in.

                                                                  Texas doesn't learn this for example.

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                                                                      [–]Supreme_panda_god[🍰] 36ポイント37ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      We have the best fascists.

                                                                      [–]ChildOfComplexity 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      Do you have the best pavement?

                                                                      [–]YoureGonnaHateMeALot 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      No not really. Infrastructure improvements would mean higher taxes

                                                                      [–]phildaheat 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      It was their economic anxiety!!!

                                                                      [–]ADoctorOfThuganomics 16ポイント17ポイント  (42子コメント)

                                                                      California? I expect this shit in the Deep South, not left-land

                                                                      [–]hohosaregood 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      California's very diverse, in every way. You're very likely to find an example of every stereotype in America in California.

                                                                      [–]HexOmega2319 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      If GTA taught me anything its that if you drive out of LA for 20 minutes there are people driving tractors and 4 wheelers on the street. It must be a diverse state.

                                                                      [–]wonkmeharder 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      This is actually true. There are parts of California that are indistinguishable from Texas.

                                                                      [–]KILLSBITCHES 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                      California is huge in regards to population and landmass. It's like multiple states into one. While the more populous areas are liberal there are a lot of conservative areas.

                                                                      [–]bobbobbobbob12 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                      People think the same thing about Oregon. They think that the whole state is like Portland.

                                                                      [–]JustThall 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      Oregon was found as a "white" state. Rural Cali is all red, most of the time OC is red too

                                                                      [–]pepedelafrogg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Case in point: domestic terrorists seizing a wildlife preserve and demanding snacks be sent to them. They ended up not getting charged with a crime, even though we have video evidence they did it.

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                                                                        [–]Arcane_Animosity 30ポイント31ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                                        Racists are pervasive unfortunately. Despite California being progressive we still have our rural areas and plenty of hateful people spread throughout the state :(

                                                                        [–]lackofcommitme 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        My grandmother likes to discribe the areas around Bakersfield as "a bunch of stupid hateful rednecks". And my father is from that area and well she's on to something

                                                                        [–]freevantage 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Can confirm. Everyone who I know from Bakersfield describes it just like that. All you can do there is get high and drink.

                                                                        [–]DemosthenesKey 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        I'm from Bakersfield. She's about 70% right. 90% if we're talking Oildale.

                                                                        [–]purplearmored 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Bakersfield is the worst. Also some of the worst House Republicans come from that area.

                                                                        [–]__kn0thing__ 2ポイント3ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                        do you know the top three states by trump votes?

                                                                        1. TX

                                                                        2. FL

                                                                        3. CA

                                                                        [–]Breaking-Good 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        Also three of the four most populous states, imagine that.

                                                                        [–]__kn0thing__ 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        actually three of the top three populous states.

                                                                        [–]Breaking-Good 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        I was referencing 2010 census. I see that in the mid cycle for 2015 Florida has surpassed New York.

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                                                                          [–]Citizen_Sn1ps 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          90% of the people live on 5% of the land. That means you got 10% of the population lookin real rural.

                                                                          [–]tacobell101 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          Right wingers in California feel like their voice is being more drowned out in super left wing places like California as compared to places like Alabama where everyone else is similar to them; therefore, they feel that they need to make more noise.

                                                                          [–]TonyStarkEsq 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          CA got a little of everyone moving there during the great western migration the US had, in fact southern California had its own "sundown towns" where black Californians knew not to go after sunset.

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                                                                            [–]xumun 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                            Trump supporters are so perfectly conditioned to accept that anything The Donald says is correct - even though it usually isn't - and everything that is said about The Donald is false - even though it rarely is - that they require no evidence whatsoever to know that this must be a false flag. It just has to be. It's gotta be. What else could it possibly be. [no question mark - questions are not allowed]

                                                                            Trump supporters are religious fanatics.

                                                                            [–]JohrDinh 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            I feel like if Obama acted like Trump, got elected and people were sending stuff like this to white churches people would be losing their shit...no?

                                                                            [–]Evil_ivan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Reminder that this happened a few days ago : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

                                                                            Get used to shit like this happening for the four next years.

                                                                            [–]DrDima 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Sending a notice of genocidal intent?

                                                                            How very civilized of them. No one will ever be able to say Trump supporters aren't polite.

                                                                            [–]Harvickfan4Life 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            No matter who sent them, it is a horrible things to do

                                                                            [–]dagst3r 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                            Welcome to Trump's America everyone! This is just an appetizer of what's to come in the next four years.

                                                                            [–]msbau764 15ポイント16ポイント  (60子コメント)

                                                                            If any Trump supporters try to attack anyone in my community they are going to get a stomach full of lead.

                                                                            [–]JesseTrue3 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                            You talk strongly behind that computer screen.

                                                                            [–]iemploreyou 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            It wasn't a threat they just have a lot of lead in the water there.

                                                                            [–]ChildOfComplexity 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            You talk strongly behind that computer screen.

                                                                            There you have it.

                                                                            "veiled" threats.

                                                                            Don't expect meekness to save you.

                                                                            Get organized. Get armed.

                                                                            Expect no mercy from fascists.

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                                                                                [–]ChildOfComplexity 7ポイント8ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                Trump lost the popular vote by millions. He has the highest disapproval ratings of any President to enter the office. He lost in the cities.

                                                                                The protests have rattled him. The potential is there for the cities to staunchly oppose any policy he attempts to impose upon them.

                                                                                Talk with your friends about what you will do if the worst happens. What you will do if right wing paramilitaries start targeting Muslims, or Mexicans, or Jews. Don't expect this government to stop them. The first step is organizing offline with people you trust.

                                                                                Get organized. Get armed.

                                                                                [–]TomatoNest 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                Oh my god why is everyone so fucking delusional. "Don't expect this government to stop them" give me a fucking break. You really think the government's gonna just let paramilitaries mow down minorities in the street?

                                                                                The country is the same country that voted for Obama in 2008. You're fighting an invisible enemy created for you by fearmongerers. All this talk of getting armed (on both sides, mind you) is accomplishing nothing but to further divide America until we have a real problem on our hands.

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                                                                                  [–]seekthetruthnotlies 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  so what is the narrative here? I thought everyone had accepted that every group has a few crazy people in it. Isn't that the whole narrative about radical islam? and the BLM rioters ? Its funny that this sub will rally around one crazy person that sends anti islam letters in the name of trump, so desperate for things to blame trump for

                                                                                  [–]eviemcstevie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Don't worry guys. He'll say "stop it" in a half-assed way (after being prompted) then act like he did us a huge favor.

                                                                                  [–]LogicChick 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  The only one who "owns" this is the idiot who wrote the letter, who is probably not political at all and just wants to stir the pot.

                                                                                  [–]NotUrAvrageFish 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  $20 says they're fake

                                                                                  [–]Goaheadownvoteme 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Guess this is the new America that people want. Disgusting

                                                                                  [–]sjwsrs 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Wew! This is a salty thread, lel

                                                                                  [–]Bernie_Bro666 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  sigh I guess Trump is somehow responsible for this.

                                                                                  [–]weightloss89 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  No, you guessed incorrectly. Trump supporters are responsible for this.

                                                                                  [–]barkos 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  The person who wrote this is responsible for this.

                                                                                  [–]OlimarsOnion 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                  The Muslim registry should make this better.

                                                                                  [–]MajorPrune 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  I know that's how we win the 2nd gen kids over. Tease them, chase them, beat them. They will start to respect western ways[rule of law vs. rule of deity) that took in their parents for sure.

                                                                                  [–]ertri 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  Here, we can actually learn from the French!

                                                                                  They treated the kids of Algerian refugees (who were kicked out of Algeria for helping the French, to boot) like shit. Now they have serious crime problems and problems with radicalization. I wonder why.

                                                                                  [–]mischiefpenguin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Forget the title, read what was actually said for once. "Look I'm not going to rule out anything," Priebus said. "We're not going to have a registry based on a religion. But what I think what we're trying to do is say that there are some people, certainly not all people... there are some people that are radicalized. And there are some people that have to be prevented from coming into this country."

                                                                                  Fox news source showing how easily things are misinterpreted.http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/11/20/nbc-news-twitter-account-cut-full-priebus-quote-muslim-registry

                                                                                  Edit: damn you out of place comma

                                                                                  [–]86hawkeye 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Can we all just acknowledge that literally anyone can write anything? If I want you to HATE the color blue i can write a bunch of shit about blue and throw in a subtle hail red reference. Then everyone thinks, oh fuck that red guy... he's a colorist asshole.

                                                                                  Then I retreat to my blue house and watch everyone lose their shit.

                                                                                  [–]shadowrun456 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Would your reaction be the same if the letter said:

                                                                                  “Your day of reckoning has arrived. There’s a new sheriff in town — Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. He’s going to cleanse America and make it shine again. And, he’s going to start with you Christians.” The letter, signed only by “Islam for a Better Way,” said al-Baghdadi was “going to do to you Christians what Hitler did to the jews [sic].”

                                                                                  Be honest when you answer.

                                                                                  [–]tacobell101 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  "We hate Muslims because they're extremely violent. Let's kill all the Muslims!"

                                                                                  [–]DarwinOnToast 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Some of these hate crimes have been proven false, like this one and this one and another. and another

                                                                                  Now I know it might not be the case this time, but this one sounds fake. It was signed only by “Americans for a Better Way,” and said that Trump was “going to do to you Muslims what Hitler did to the jews".

                                                                                  It sounds over the top and ridiculous, its anonymous and its an obvious political smear just after a savage election and a unexpected hard loss for Trump's opponent. My money is on that this was an individual disgruntled with the election results who truly believes Trump is a fascist (he's not btw).

                                                                                  [–]Lucidmike78 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Probably feminists or misguided HRC supporters sent it. Why would the people who would do such a thing write these letters? To terrorize people about something they would not actually do and put their names on it? It stinks of shenanigans.

                                                                                  [–]Altzul 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  What if I told you this was definitely salty H-Dog supporters? Like the fake hate crimes reported by muslims as of late.

                                                                                  [–]nametheoccupation 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Sometimes people ask why protests are happening in California, which overwhelmingly voted for Hillary. Why bother protesting, when so many people here agree with you? This is why.

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