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Is Herrera the problem? (self.reddevils)

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Herrera's level of performance has certainly improved but is it hurting the team?

Without Herrera starting:

7 wins from 8, 1 loss to City

With Herrera Starting

4 wins 4 lost 4 drew

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[–]tammodi 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

Jesus fucking christ

[–]PunyHumanoidHerrera 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Internet overreaction is the fucking problem.

[–]Crusty_Gammon_FlapsBailly 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Herrera has been one of our best players this season.

[–]Seanige 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No doubt his workrate is usually phenomenal, but his performance yesterday was pretty poor. I'd say him and Darmian were the worst two players on the pitch.

[–]BarbadosDMLord Scholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would say Darmian is noticeably a level lower than most of our team nearly every time he plays

Valencia on the other side is better in every area and by some distance in my opinion.

[–]DailyBlindOur God and Savior Daley 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Don't want to call out specific players coz I'll look like this cunt but Lingard and to an extent Rashford didn't do a whole lot last game.

[–]Seanige 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Darmian also looked suspect defensively. Pogba covered for him a number of times, but I think he'd have been exposed without that support.

[–]DailyBlindOur God and Savior Daley 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Darmian was always going to look out of sorts. He was up against a wingback which meant Lanzini and Antonio would outnumber him. People need to take into account the formation and what is actually happening. No one defender can take on two attackers.

[–]mrpiggywinkles52Rooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

They're young, we shouldn't have to rely on them but with Martial out of form (who last season more than proved he could be relied upon) and Miki not fully fit we have to.

[–]DailyBlindOur God and Savior Daley 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but if they're played and trusted we have a right to be critical. I'm only criticizing, taking nothing away from their quality.

[–]House_Of_LannisterAnd who are you...? 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lol he is part of the solution. IF only players on our team gave half as much a shit every week like he did... fuck the stats, they're meaningless for this debate.

[–]black_squireMartial -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Giving a shit doesn't actually mean being any good. Does he control Tempo like Carrick or assist defensively like Fellaini or provide attacking threats like Pogba?

[–]House_Of_LannisterAnd who are you...? 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think he breaks down play well enough.

I have seen him take one for the team and that's definitely passion.

I do think he provides a better defensive aspect than Fellaini. He's a better tackler, has better stamina, he's willing to pass the ball forward and not mess around with it - get caught out.

I think given time, he will adapt better and start controlling the tempo more - one step at a time.

[–]_ninjaslayer 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would have to disagree with this. Personally, our wing play has been poor to me. Rashford has been poor in the past few games and I think needs some rest. On the right side, countless times yesterday Valencia would run on the right, see no one ahead of him, fake a cross and then pass back.

[–]Seanige 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Towards the end of the game there was so much space on the right side that Pogba went over there. Our front players need to be more ambitious and have to try and stretch defenders.

[–]craigybachaManchester United 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's not the problem, but I do think we play better with Carrick.

[–]FrenchMancPogba 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

He's a consistently good player, with awesome workrate and thats what we need alongside Pogba's magic but sometimes lack of defensive discipline. Also has an eye for a pass and has 3 lungs.

[–]FrenchMancPogba 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

If i can add something i'll say our wingers have been disapointing recently, and the emergence of mkhitaryan in our team will be the turning point of the season I feel.

[–]_ninjaslayer 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I agree with this. Probably not going to be a popular opinion but if we do end up having to play Darmian on the left at times, I would rather have a Young type of winger over a Martial/ Rashford because otherwise the game gets too narrow and we get crowded out (or fuck up the chances we do end up making)

[–]House_Of_LannisterAnd who are you...? -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nah mate... I don't think Darmien is a solid starter - I DO think our LB has a major influence on our game and therefore think we don't have someone who is tied into that position. Not like when we had Irwin for example or Evra.

We have 3 maybe 4 potential players in LB being Darmien, Shaw, Blind and Rojo... in which 2 are slowly converting to CB.

Out of Shaw and Darmien - because their qualities are so distinct, they should be used according to the opponent. I.e - changes on a match by match basis.

I also think Shaw is good enough to grow into that position and at some point (hopefully in near future) he will be THE solidified LB for us.

[–]_ninjaslayer 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hey, Yes I agree with you on Shaw. I was merely commenting on Darmian. WHEN we end up playing him, there were no attacks coming in from the left yesterday..although ofcourse thats not entirely his fault. Hence why I said I would rather play Young type of players in those cases. Would you agree? A team which has Shaw in it (who in my opinion also needs to work on his crossing), can flourish with Rashford/ Martial ahead of him. My dream team would probably have Mata as 10, Mkhi as a RW with Valencia behind him( granted that Mkhi does tend to drift in as well), and Martial on the left (Provided he doesnt keep asking for the ball to his feet and instead make runs into spaces behind the defenders) with Shaw behind him. For me the big revelation of the season has been the herrera + pogba partnership.

[–]House_Of_LannisterAnd who are you...? -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Shaw lacks experience. Darmian lacks the modern day qualities of a LB in pace and delivery.

I also struggle to see passion from the two... a part of the pitch which is majorly important for someone to have that drive and determination to go back and forth.

I DO see that in Young - he does put in a shift and can do some good work but he just isn't a defender. He could have the most passion and I'd still feel vulnerable to a player like Hazard.

We need someone like Moses? On that wing - then we have balance on both wings (Tony V on the other side). Then we are really tough to beat... We've seen this on teams like Spurs? With Walker and Rose - determination and willingness is unquestionable.

[–]_ninjaslayer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am hoping in the long term Shaw can be our answer to what you just mentioned. I think once he gets over his injury, is properly integrated into the team and playing games continuously..Shaw will be key. Well I am keeping my fingers crossed for it anyways. haha

[–]Seanige 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He looked like a really bright spark at the beginning of the season as he did last year. My concern is his massive drop off in work rate. He has a lot of pressure on his shoulders, but he needs to realise that the expectation of this club, the fans and the players around him are high and he needs to perform consistently.

[–]House_Of_LannisterAnd who are you...? -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

On the note of his workrate, and a potential relation to OP stats:

His workrate is that good, and he is that passionate, that players may feel they can "relax" a little when he plays which ofc... turns out to be counter-productive. If they all followed his workrate, we'd be in a much different position.

[–]yobayPogba 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

is where my dog shits on his walk the problem?

5 wins when dog shits in first 10 mins 6 draws when dog shits in last 10 mins.

cant deny the facts

[–]NyeasB0s 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

definitely not I'm sorry but Herrera has been exceeding expectations this season

[–]redwolfCR7 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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[–]Football_romantic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you serious kid? Ibra fucks up on defensive duty and you blame Herrera?

[–]MrD3athGiggsy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Either OP is a genius and is basically having a laugh about how meaningless stats are, or just a massive troll

[–]jorgelucas7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

By that logic, it's all De Gea's fault. He's the one conceding the goals.

[–]PrisonBig 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would say the ball not going in the goal more than the other team is currently the problem.

[–]stats193Martial 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Was it his fault for the amount of clear cut chances missed?

Or the defence not paying attention to simple crosses and set pieces?

We can argue football is a team game but both areas of the pitch where it is going wrong he isn't causing the problems.

[–]Seanige 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He could have contributed more in the build up. Pogba covered an immense amount of ground and offered something at both ends. When he did receive the ball, he tended to slow down play and his passing was poor.

[–]Moriarty_LogicOle Gunnar Solskjær 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

You cannot be serious man..

[–]Magnehtic 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know it's easy to want to find one single scapegoat but the fact of the matter is, our troubles are more than onefold. There's the injuries (almost our entire defence is on the brink of death), some inexcusably terrible referee decisions, Jose finding his best starting XI and then changing it, some players in bad form (Ibra's record goal drought, Rooney went missing early in the season) and so on. Stop trying to find one specific reason why we have underperformed, it's more complex than that.

[–]House_Of_LannisterAnd who are you...? -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds to me like you're just reeling off excuses though...

We don't have a major injury crisis this year. Our defense is just a shambles tactically.

We do have a problem with the starting XI - commitment issues maybe.

Bad form? Or just not good enough? Not good enough to live up to the hype... Sorry Zlatan but you've been underwhelming - Love the link up play and things but disappointing otherwise.

Rooney? in bad form? When was he in good form? Good form meaning longer than a month...

[–]1wordcommmentValencia -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Memphis Depay and Schneiderlin are the problem. We are struggling this season because they have not started.