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Is it ethical to punch a neo-Nazi? (mic.com)

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[–]Faolinbeankilljoy 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes.

[–]Comrade_RedArmy 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

I stopped reading the article when they said it wasn't ethical or moral to punch a neo-Nazi. When they stop denying the Holocaust then MAYBE we'll hold back on the fash bashing. Other than that if you're antifa then maybe think about going on budk get some brass knucks they're real cheap and figure out what you want to do with them.

[–]bashes_fash 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

The clickbait title was "Is it ethical to punch a neo-Nazi?" and you went in with a preconcieved answer, "yes." Its too bad you stopped reading as soon as you read something that challenged that notion. Spoiler alert, the actual answer given in the article is "yes, under certain conditions."

[–]Comrade_RedArmy 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

oops my bad, sorry about that. They should of just said yes it is ethical and moral in certain conditions. In this day in age if you're going to write an article on the internet you can't try to swerve people; the readers will immediately turn away. That's just the unfortunate truth.

[–]12yearsaWageSlave 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really don't think that's true, I've had my opinion on issues changed by articles before

[–]Comrade_RedArmy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with you. My point is don't mislead your reader. In the middle of the article it says punching a neo-nazi is unethical and immoral. Then op says the article concludes that it is ethical to punch in certain situations. If you're going to write an article pick a position and stick to it. Don't beat around the bush. People will be turned off by that.

[–]Firedup2015 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Their version of "only in self defence" is the worst kind of liberal drivel though - these people want to violently destroy us, if they're left unchecked they will do so thoroughly and without restraint. "Self defence" under such circumstances = as early as possible, and don't let them get to the point where the fight is a rearguard one.

[–]toomanymidichlorians 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's unethical NOT to

[–]pining-for-fnords 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: yeeeeeeeeessssssssssss.

[–]Stanley83 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Years ago some skinheads jumped a friend of mine in our crew (hardcore/punk scene shit) at a show.

We proceeded to beat the shit out of the two, they took off to a get away car that their respective girlfriends' had running in the parking lot.

Never saw them again after that, brass knuckles are fantastic against car windows, so is a neo-nazi's head being slammed against it until it breaks.

True story. I'd love to provide more details, but we know that's a terrible idea. Happened a decade ago now.

The reason this incident happened stemmed from a huge street battle that happened after they were yelling the N word and threats at a friend of mine outside a venue months beforehand.

[–]tupadre97 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

of course. now is it always the best decision tactically? not always. you have to be able to read the situation for yourself.

[–]Vozella| buddhist 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not gonna punch a nazi because I can't and don't fight, but if anyone else who can and wants to fight, go ahead.

[–]bashes_fash 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if neo-nazi's deserved to be punched in the face, but antifas reserved the violence to win the propaganda war with the blood-adverse moderates? Win the battle, lose the war type situation

[–]sothatsa 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is a whole bunch of anarchists opinions :

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAnarchism/comments/59l0u1/is_violence_against_fascists_an_appropriate_way/

[–]whygodwhykillmenow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ethics aren't really relevant in this case. neo-nazi's are intensely dangerous, and asking people to control their violent impulses towards the ratfuckers is simply asking too much.

[–]copdadthrowaway 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Repugnant liberal coward here. I'm not going to stop anyone from beating up Nazis, but the thought of physically harming other people doesn't excite me or make me happy, and I don't think I'd be capable of doing it myself, although I can see how it would be justified. I'm a cishet white male who barely leaves the house, if you didn't already guess. Can I be a good person without getting this pumped up about brutal violence, or is this something I'll have to inure myself to over time, or does the fact that I have doubts over this in the first place mean I'm an irredeemable piece of shit who needs to get curbstomped? I'd form my own opinion, but I'm really fucking stupid. Cheers (well)!

[–]Occupier_9000 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

The conflict between the camps of people who support non-violence/pacifism and those who support diversity of tactics isn't really over whether individual people should engage in violence. There are many people who (for various reasons) are better off abstaining from violence altogether. No one expects that you personally have to be violent. The great majority of things that anarchists do are non-violent (education, organizing, labor strikes etc).

The disagreement comes from extreme non-violence advocates who insist that no one ever engage in violence of any kind. This is simply bonkers. Militant self-defense is an inevitable precondition for the success of any revolutionary social movement. The mythology of peaceful revolution (e.g. Gandhi) is white washed liberal fantasy.

[–]CheerwellI want to give a shit again 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The disagreement comes from extreme non-violence advocates who insist that no one ever engage in violence of any kind.

There's the big conflict. There are a lot of pacifists (or simply cowards) who proclaim that violence should never be used, even when faced with a literal neo nazi covered in swastika tattoos aiming to do them harm. Non-violence is a powerful tactic, but you have to be strategic in its use, much like using violence. Each has their place and you must know when the properly deploy them, and when not to.

[–]interestingtofu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's also the disagreement that comes when extreme violence advocates attempt to shame others who don't want to be a part of it as "liberal" or whatever the buzzword of the week is.

[–]utterlygodless 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Repugnant liberal coward here. I'm not going to stop anyone from beating up Nazis, but the thought of physically harming other people doesn't excite me or make me happy, and I don't think I'd be capable of doing it myself, although I can see how it would be justified.

This is the proper attitude to those who don't want to involve themselves in direct confrontation

[–]Topyka2| Burn Disneyland Down 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

we gathered the experts

When an article says they've gathered a group of professional philosphers to definitively answer a question, you know that thing is FUBAR.

[–]PainusMania2018U WOT M8 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you kidding? It's ethical to kill them, why wouldn't it be ethical to punch them?

[–]situationist_prankArmy of National Liberation 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes

[–]Occupier_9000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to write a related article investigating the question of whether water is splashy and wet.

[–]somedudeorwhatevs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Guys I found the exception to the rule

[–]VegAnarchistCommieInsurrectionary Post-Civ Commie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not ethical to punch a neo-Nazi! We need to do way more the punching Nazis!

[–]yourmatchmyfire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not one for violence. But if I saw someone punch a neo-Nazi who was harassing someone, I'd look the other way and probably smile a bit. Down with fascism!

[–]GenericThrowaway187 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. This "man" is clearly just a coward.

[–]AvaelStormrage| LGBT | Feminist | Pacifist | -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not replying to the article, but the question.

I wouldn't punch a nazi, but that doesn't mean I think they're even remotely decent people.

I really do not think violence is the answer to even some of the most heinous crimes. If they're attacking you, I can understand it, as self defence is very understandable. But, if they're 'nonviolently' spreading a message of hate, then you can fight back with spreading a message of love.

[–]yourmatchmyfire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand what you're trying to say with this, but you have to know that they will not respond to you with a "message of love", only hate and violence. They want the masses that they don't like to either be subjugated or dead. Imperialist action by Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan weren't deterred much by "oh, please don't do that".

[–]MaievSekashiTrans -4ポイント-3ポイント  (49子コメント)

It's unethical to do it out of nowhere. If they've done something else to give you good reason to punch them, them being a nazi is a small moral + for you.

[–]CheerwellI want to give a shit again 7ポイント8ポイント  (48子コメント)

Existing is justification enough.

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    [–]CheerwellI want to give a shit again 11ポイント12ポイント  (46子コメント)

    lol. So, you're saying violence against fascists makes you the real fascist?