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[–]max_vette[M] [score hidden] - stickied comment (0 children)
How can you judge another culture's approach to domestic violence when this thread had to be locked due to overwhelming joking about domestic violence?
[–]Desert_Unicorn 714 points715 points716 points  (7 children)
We hope these beauty tips will help you carry on with your daily life
If I'm trying to hide bruises on my face something tells me I wouldn't want to carry on with this kind of daily life.
[–]shoopdawoopzxc 247 points248 points249 points  (6 children)
Sometimes you can't get out, or don't know how to get out. and there might be some solace in looking normal and being treated normally by others. Abuse should be stopped, but even just having a normal interaction with someone else can be healing in itself. Sometimes with visible bruises people might pity you or stare, which is maybe not what you want. idk, every situation is different, but honestly I know it's terrible that this even had to be on tv but I don't think it in itself is the worst thing ever. Ideally there would be an abuse hotline or something like that to help stop the abuse, with this information. (sorry if this doesn't read well)
[–]ItsABlueOne 144 points145 points146 points  (1 child)
I think it's an issue of how it's presented, rather than the content. For what it's worth, the abusive relationships I've seen involved a lot of emotional abuse. And a lot of it relied on telling the victims, "YOU have done something wrong, YOU need to hide the results of my anger from others, and YOU need to avoid angering me in the future" Basically, the way this came off kind of feels like it feeds into the alternate universe a lot of abusers try to make for their targets.
[–]ifallwhenrunning 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)
Yea I agree the issue is how it's presented. When I first read the headline and the first few paragraphs I thought it was completely misogynistic, but when they said it was to help women carry on with their daily lives, I guess I understand the good intent but just bad delivery, which overall feeds into that idea that victims have done something wrong that they need to cover for.
Leaving visible bruises can be a way to control someone to keep them in the house/away from work/out of sight because the victim doesn't want the bruises to be noticed. So I guess the good intent is that it can give victims of abuse a bit more control.
I don't know what else happened in the segment beside the short clip that was described, but assuming they did not include a lot more info on domestic violence and ways to get out /report it, it would have been better to focus way more on that aspect rather than a makeup tutorial, and include a tip about makeup for women who are afraid to go out because of stares/judgement from bruises.
[–]AshaGray 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
No, it doesn't read well.
If you want a make up tutorial, you can look up make up tutorials. But make up tutorials shouldn't be the only information that women who are being beaten up have access to.
[–]Kalikaet 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
Thank you Shoop. Many people are lucky enough to never know what it feels like living in a place where even if people know that you are abused, there is nothing they can do even if they sympathized with you. They think that abused = go to shelter + call police, problem solved. In some places, there is just no agency for that. The make up would have helped these women to at least forget the abuse for a moment, and those moments were nice enough.
[–]Harrypalmes 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
Yeah it probably has nothing to do with the population of morocco, which is predominantly of one religion that has very lax womens values.
[–]chapterpt 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Any dignity we can offer the victim of domestic abuse is worth it, no matter how ridiculous the context for those means may be.
[–]podPHD 111 points112 points113 points  (0 children)
...so that when he eventually kills you everyone can say with a straight face "I had no idea he abused her, we never saw ANY signs!" Or everyone who see's you won't feel uncomfortable and perhaps alert authorities?
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      [–]Raudskeggr 45 points46 points47 points  (0 children)
      The response was immediate, and outraged.
      No way.
      [–]Pappylander 323 points324 points325 points  (71 children)
      At least they're honest about their misogyny.
      [–]grmrulez 13 points14 points15 points  (7 children)
      Isn't this sexism rather than misogyny?
      Edit: according to Wikipedia:
      Sexism or gender discrimination is prejudice against or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender.
      Misogyny is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls.
      Edit 2 (comments locked):
      @/u/PMmeabouturday: Unfortunately there seems to be much overlap, so I guess there isn't much of a point
      [–]zkid10 13 points14 points15 points  (5 children)
      Well, misogyny would be a form of sexism where men are viewed as better than women.
      [–]ii_misfit_o -28 points-27 points-26 points  (2 children)
      because they are?
      [–]CRINGE_COMMANDER -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
      Reddit Enhancement Suite 15:44:53 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
      [–]PMmeabouturday 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      Is this not prejudice against girls.
      And what is the point of this distinction right now
      [–]arrowheadflask 91 points92 points93 points  (60 children)
      It's so much better than here where people want to say/do misogynistic things but bend over backwards trying to explain away the misogyny. Just be honest with yourself!
      [–]parkourhobo 54 points55 points56 points  (4 children)
      So...People are afraid of looking like a misogynist, and that's supposed to be a bad thing?
      [–]ntn2 44 points45 points46 points  (3 children)
      Yes, because it isn't stopping them from acting like misogynists, it's just stopping them from admitting it.
      [–]Just_a_lurker12 21 points22 points23 points  (1 child)
      So.. people should stop being afraid of looking like misogynists? Because that is the alternative
      [–]Deichkind 24 points25 points26 points  (0 children)
      Okay, we're now at a point where I'm not really sure what misogynist means.
      [–]Just_a_lurker12 comment score below threshold-15 points-14 points-13 points  (0 children)
      So.. people should stop being afraid of looking like misogynists? Because that is the alternative
      [–]sudojay1 24 points25 points26 points  (0 children)
      Explain in what way it's so much better. There's lots of misogyny here but no, women are not beaten as a matter of course to the point that there would ever be the thought that you'd have a TV show telling women how to hide that they've been beaten.
      [–]ScabbyCrevasse 30 points31 points32 points  (26 children)
      Want to say/do misogynistic things but bend over backwards trying to explain away the misogyny
      I don't understand this line
      [–]LittleWhiteGirl 67 points68 points69 points  (25 children)
      A lot of people like the idea of progressing on women's rights but when actually faced with implementing the changes realize it's inconvenient.
      [–]ScabbyCrevasse 17 points18 points19 points  (20 children)
      At this point a woman should have the exact same legal rights I, as a man, does. I honestly thought women did already. Crazy world.
      [–]LittleWhiteGirl 53 points54 points55 points  (11 children)
      While legal rights are lacking, a lot of the changes needed are social. There's a general attitude of women being inferior on many fronts and no law can make people think differently, only discussion and time.
      [–]maowsers93 48 points49 points50 points  (0 children)
      This is true and I think people who don't see a lot of really small small town America fail to realize it. My sister goes to a conservative college with a lot of people from really small towns in east Texas. All of the girls from the tiny towns are on their way to getting married at 22. One of them isn't and plans to have a career. Her family is livid and constantly questions her if she is a lesbian. To them your job as a woman is to find a husband any anything else is an insult to their way of life.
      [–]ScabbyCrevasse 18 points19 points20 points  (0 children)
      True. My dad is a huge misogynist, I was raised by mom so it never stuck. At this point there is no changing his mind.
      [–]chapterpt comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (1 child)
      Just like there is a general attitude that father's are inferior to mothers when it comes to rearing children, resulting in custody going to the woman more often. While at the same time assuming the inferiority of women reinforces the position a woman should be receiving the support a man ought to be paying for.
      While men may have the most advantages, equality ought to be a two way street. The laws are there, now society needs to catch up - and also quit this anti-male backlash disguised as pro feminism.
      [–]Moerty comment score below threshold-24 points-23 points-22 points  (3 children)
      when it comes to feats of strength or dexterity you damn right women aren't going to make the cut in comparison to men, it's just undeniable biology and trying to say it's not so doesn't change reality.
      [–]BJPenwhistle 24 points25 points26 points  (2 children)
      No one was even talking about "strength and dexterity" but you bring it up out of nowhere and imply that men are superior because of it. It might surprise you to know that there are certain ways women are superior. The important thing to remember here is that "different" doesn't necessarily equate to "superior/inferior."
      [–]Moerty comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points  (1 child)
      eh? i'm not bringing anything out of context here, you said there is a general attitude of women being inferior to men on many fronts, as if it's absolutely unfounded, and i countered that by demonstrating that it's not unfounded. on the other hand women are better at many things that i wouldn't trust a man to do. they have more patience and are willing to work to a consensus that works towards helping more people. socially they're leaps above men, who like to solve most problems by leg humping and establishing dominance and then calling it a day.
      bottom line is both genders have strengths and weaknesses and we're stronger together by acknowledging them and working with them, rather than delusionaly trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.
      [–]BJPenwhistle 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      I think you may be confusing me with someone else. I never said any of that. Also, for the record, I agree with what you're saying here. I think perhaps you might consider trying to make a better case for how A leads to B because it kinda seems like you just brought that in out of nowhere.
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        [–]Cosmologicon 18 points19 points20 points  (2 children)
        How's that line go? "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges." If it's equally hard for men and women to get birth control pills, we've achieved such majestic equality, right?
        [–]Recursive_Descent 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
        FWIW, I think many men would love if there were male birth control pills.
        [–]CoeusLoki 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
        Aside from those idiots who count it as some kind of tally of how many random women they can knock up I can't think of a guy who wouldn't.
        [–]ntn2 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
        There's a pretty big difference between "legal rights" in theory and legal rights in practice.
        [–]BJPenwhistle 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
        In the first world, women are much better off but there are still some pretty big issues that need dealing with.
        [–]chapterpt comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points  (0 children)
        Every woman should also have the exact same rights as a man, but there are places they are favoured (family/divorce court for example). That is the product of societal views on gender roles. Equality is a goal just as long as I don't have to give anything up to get there. I think this is the shared issue for men and women in our own unique way.
        [–]ii_misfit_o -23 points-22 points-21 points  (1 child)
        they do, and more rights than a man does, and they still want more
        [–]100thUsernameAttempt 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
        [citation needed]
        [–]DemomanTakesSkill comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points  (2 children)
        [Citation needed]
        [–]LittleWhiteGirl 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
        I'm not even sure where to start really. Do you want examples of politics or social attitudes or legislation or what?
        [–]DemomanTakesSkill -10 points-9 points-8 points  (0 children)
        Recent stuff would be great thanks :)
        [–]Firecracker048 comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (2 children)
        Over here it is a completely difference situation, as for example when police are called to a DV incident, the have to arrest the male party involved unless show evidence on the spot that the man did no abuse/or was the one abused. Misandry is starting to become extremely prevalent here in the states, and niether extreme is good.
        [–]benice2nice 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
        this isn't true, police don't have to arrest anyone unless the victim wants to press charges. i've seen it in person.
        [–]AnalOgre 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
        Not in all states. Many states don't have the victims "press charges", the state does, so even if the person didn't want tot pursue charges the state can.
        [–]mjk05d comment score below threshold-14 points-13 points-12 points  (20 children)
        Yes, being beaten by your husband, and spousal beatings being so common and accepted that the state TV has a special on teaching women how to cover it up, is not as bad as American women being told that they aren't as good at video games.
        [–]arrowheadflask comment score below threshold-19 points-18 points-17 points  (19 children)
        It's funny, you see this all the time when people justify misogyny, they put words in your mouth and of course the favorite comparison to third world countries. But it makes sense I guess, in many ways the attitudes of white men in America are comparable to those of the third world. I just wish you'd admit to it so we can all move on.
        [–]orbitsjupiter 18 points19 points20 points  (1 child)
        Using sweeping generalizations is not a good way to prove a point. Some white men are misogynists but a lot of them are not. You're literally doing exactly what you are complaining about by assuming that a certain gender and race combination makes you misogynistic or racist or any number of stereotypes/traits/beliefs.
        Step back and try to gain a little perspective.
        [–]arrowheadflask comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (0 children)
        You're literally doing exactly what you are complaining
        Exactly. It's unpleasant, isn't it? Wow, I wish people would really stop doing that.
        [–]Skillster 12 points13 points14 points  (4 children)
        Generalizing an entire community of people is not helping your case. Saying all white males are misogynistic is ridiculous.
        [–]arrowheadflask comment score below threshold-13 points-12 points-11 points  (3 children)
        I'm not here to win hearts and minds, I just come here to express my opinion in the most objectionable and antagonistic way possible. And nothing works better on Reddit than mentioning white men. I don't want you on my side. Pleeeaaase vote for Trump.
        [–]Skillster 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
        That's actually amazing, I didn't know people like you really existed. I want to know how you could possibly think the way you do.
        [–]benice2nice 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
        you sound very sheltered
        [–]Skillster 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
        I thought they were just a meme
        [–]StickPit 12 points13 points14 points  (3 children)
        Excuse me but what the fuck
        [–]Firecracker048 comment score below threshold-17 points-16 points-15 points  (2 children)
        Being a white male automatically means you are worthless in 2016
        [–]arrowheadflask comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (1 child)
        truu
        [–]StickPit 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
        I'm sorry? Are you joking?
        [–]mjk05d 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        they put words in your mouth
        No, you literally said this:
        It's so much better than here
        [–]mjk05d 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
        Problem is, when people think like you do- that the Middle East is no worse than the west- they end up like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pippa_Bacca
        [–]alwaysbeniceplz comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (2 children)
        Hahahaha Trump is your president now. Enjoy that while you're demonizing white men.
        [–]arrowheadflask 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
        It's actually become easier (and more enjoyable) to demonize white men after Trump's win, so thank you I am enjoying it quite a bit.
        [–]mjk05d -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
        You're not really insulting white men though- you're insulting women who are suffering true oppression in Africa and the Middle East. You and your fellow Trump supporters are disgusting and should be ashamed of yourselves.
        [–]Firecracker048 comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (1 child)
        Well, there is still that whole wage-gap myth over here. And that attitude your showing here is part of the reason trump won
        [–]arrowheadflask -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        After Trump won, I decided I would double down on the smugness and superiority. Even if conservatives win every election for the next 100 years, I almost see that as a good thing.
        [–]vaicapinarumlote -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
        I don't know, you can be honest trying to improve yourself or you can be the kind of honest person like this guy, which I think is pretty worse than the person that keeps the bigotry to him/herself.
        [–]MarlinMr 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
        Why is fuck being censored?
        [–]vaicapinarumlote 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        Dunno, media puritanism I guess.
        [–]vaicapinarumlote 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        Can't decide if they are stupid or even more stupid.
        [–]ashara_zavros 77 points78 points79 points  (0 children)
        The Guardian will definitely disable comments on this one.
        [–]AshaGray 31 points32 points33 points  (1 child)
        Now, dear women: you don't want to upset your husbands by looking ugly with those bruises, do you? Be good wifeys and look decent for when they come back to beat you some more.
        [–]bayern_16 32 points33 points34 points  (3 children)
        Isn't Morocco the country where the women get punished or disowned for marrying outside of their religion?
        [–]SyrianSimba 48 points49 points50 points  (2 children)
        I don't know much about Morocco's laws, so I won't say anything because I don't want to spread false information. Morocco is predominately Muslim and in Islam, it is permissible for Muslim men to marry non-Muslim women, but Muslim women aren't allowed to. But of course you have Muslims who will pick and choose certain parts of their religion that they will practice and ignore. I have a Lebanese friend who drinks alcohol, but he would NEVER eat pork. I also know some Iranian and Palestinian women who come from pretty liberal families and they're married to non-Muslims.
        [–]raltodd 17 points18 points19 points  (1 child)
        For someone who won't say anything you sure said a lot.
        [–]SyrianSimba 28 points29 points30 points  (0 children)
        I grew up in a Sunni Muslim family, but I'm not from Morocco and I don't know anyone from Morocco.
        [–]femalebot 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
        Can anyone who speaks this language translate it if they're feeling generous?
        [–]Shogger1 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
        Morocco has had ads run against domestic violence as well. And as many of the people in this thread has said, you can't always get out, so having this knowledge could be useful.
        [–]theflakybiscuit 23 points24 points25 points  (2 children)
        If the TV Show aired this with help for domestic abuse victims it would have been better. A family friend was a domestic abuse victim and she would cover up the bruises when she went to the store or work because then people don't stare or ask question. She was on her way out of the relationship, she just needed time.
        [–]Foolski 22 points23 points24 points  (0 children)
        She was on her way out of the relationship, she just needed time.
        That type of reasoning is very hard to interpret as justification for airing it.
        "If you're being beaten on, and are on your way out of the relationship but just need time, here's some makeup tips to hide your knackered face."
        Is the exact same as:
        "Here's some makeup tips to hide your knackered face."
        If this was some some random person's tutorial on YouTube, whatever, but no official state TV channel should be demonstrating how to submit to and hid the fact you're being beaten.
        Imagine if some kids TV channel showed how to hide bruise marks when they went to school. It's insane this ever left the table.
        [–]Steampunk_Moustache -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
        I agree.
        [–]kaizervonmaanen 33 points34 points35 points  (23 children)
        Even the strictest and most fundamentalist interpretations of islam considers it absolutely haram to hit the wife or children on the face or head.
        The husband would be seen as a completely depraved degenerate by the religious lot. And now when people are becoming less and less secular it might ruin her husband's reputation if she walks around with bruises on her face. So it makes sense to cover it up, the religious people destroys the traditions of the country.
        [–]notacahp 23 points24 points25 points  (0 children)
        So... The rest of the body is fair game?
        [–]lemonsquee 106 points107 points108 points  (0 children)
        Look, I get where you're coming from, but as a woman living in a muslim country this is honestly delusional. Men who hit their wives aren't even remotely seen as depraved degenerates, not by a long shot. This kind of attitude is extremely dismissive and so naive.
        [–]shoopdawoopzxc 33 points34 points35 points  (0 children)
        I've been in an abusive situation before, and it's also that you don't want someone stopping you asking what's wrong. and you don't want others pity. Obviously the problem is that the abuse should not have happened in the first place and I'm not really condoning this television thing, but I see where they're coming from. If you have no way out (at the time), living a normal life outside of the abuse could help with your sanity. Being pitied in public and being beat at home sounds like a worse combination almost. The ideal is that the beating doesn't happen... but idk there is some solace to be found in 'normalcy' and not sticking out. Sorry if this was hard to read, just sharing my thoughts. I'm open to discussion
        [–]lolaTJ 43 points44 points45 points  (0 children)
        Have you read the Quran? Surah An-Nisa 4:34 Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
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          [–]OmarGharb 37 points38 points39 points  (3 children)
          Everything in the Qu'ran is open to interpretation, and translations into English are often not a good source for understanding it.
          The word used for "beat" here is "idriboo." That is certainly a common interpretation of the word, but it is contested for the following reasons:
          • The derivative idriboo is formed from one of the most diversely used words (DaRaBa) in the Arabic language, and is used in several ways in The Quran itself.
          • When The Quran uses this word to mean a literal/physical strike/hit, the preposition "bi" (with/by) is always used, but there is no such use in 4:34.
          • If "beat/strike" is chosen, it would cause inconsistencies amongst Traditional Hadith (narrations) and Classical Arabic dictionaries, which show a variance in view.
          • It contradicts the alleged reaction of prophet Muhammad to wife beating, in which he is reported to have found it unjust and said woman have the right to retaliate.
          • There is not one clear occurrence of this word meaning "beat" anywhere else in The Quran, and in almost all cases, this meaning is problematic or would not make sense.
          • No Classical Arabic (the language The Quran is written in) dictionary gives the meaning of "beat" in a comparable example and none reference 4:34 at all.
          Thus, "the evidence from The Quran suggests the correct meaning of the word in this case would be "cite" or "indicate" them to the authority, hence authority involvement in 4:35. This also fits in with its usage elsewhere with direct objects."
          Additionally, there are MULTIPLE verses in the Qu'ran which explicitly contradict this interpretation of the verse (and this verse is the only one that could possibly be cited as a justification.) That is probably why no commentator, past or present, uses the Quran itself to justify this view. For example:
          • "...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them...(2:231)"
          • "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower . . . on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (4:19)"
          Of course, how one treats the passage is subject to individual discretion. But that's precisely my point.
          [–]maowsers93 12 points13 points14 points  (2 children)
          This is one of the reasons I hate people using religious texts to prove points unless it is done in the original writings with the original language. There are so many examples of religious texts being translated incorrectly that it makes the English version of damn near anything obsolete.
          I'm not religious but my family are fundamentalist Christians. They take everything literally they read in their bibles. I've tried to show my sister examples of the miss translations of the original language in the bible and she won't accept any of it. Religious texts are open to a lot of interpretation, and the translated ones..... you might as well just forget about it.
          [–]Matrix_V 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
          This is why a lot of churches and church organizations have some variant of "in the original writings" as a qualifier in their statement of faith. There's no guarantee that human translators are without error.
          A few website excerpts I pulled from Google:
          "The Old and New Testaments are inerrant in the original writings ... "
          "We believe the Scriptures of the Old Testament and New Testament are verbally inspired by God and inerrant in their original writings."
          "We believe that the Bible is inspired by God and that it is without error in the original manuscripts."
          I think most reasonable people would agree that a modern translation of a work can and should be open to evaluation against the oldest and highest quality versions of the work that we have.
          [–]maowsers93 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Certainly reasonable people would agree, but many people are not reasonable when it comes to their religious texts and there is nothing binding them to the reality of translation error. Not one person in my family or their community will recognize this issue.
          [–]kaizervonmaanen comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (10 children)
          And what did Muhammed say about that verse? As little as possible and never hit anyone on the head
          [–]JosephSarkis47 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
          Yeah, but hitting is hitting. Doesn't matter where, it is not acceptable.
          [–]kaizervonmaanen -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
          not to fundamentalist muslims where hitting in the face or head is similar to jerking off to people dressed up as animals. It will disgust them and it's viewed as completely degenerate. They also view it as degenerate to leave a mark, but otherwise they see it as acceptable.
          [–]SgtCheeseNOLS 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          What is defined as "as little as possible?" It is okay to hit her in the kidney 5 times instead of 10?
          [–]plsnsbra 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          But Muhammed made that verse up...
          [–]Mycomian 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
          He made the verse, how is "what he has to say about it" relevant?
          [–]kaizervonmaanen 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
          Because any text is meaningless without the context and meaning behind it.
          [–]Mycomian 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          What context would justify this text?
          [–]Niggardlyy -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
          Muhammed made that verse up himself. I don't see any clarification to not hit the head (not that it matters where exactly on the body Muhammad said you could beat your wife/slave)
          [–]kaizervonmaanen 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
          The clarificication to not hit on the head is in the hadith in the hadiths where he talked about this specific verse
          [–]Niggardlyy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          not that it matters where exactly on the body Muhammad said you could beat your wife/slave
          [–]SgtCheeseNOLS 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
          But does the Quran say this?
          Quran (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
          It seems as though there are a few different interpretations of it, but most point to the "beat them" aspect.
          [–]WouldYouStahp 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
          Lol no
          [–]sum_force 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
          Maybe they mean well? The could be trying to help the victims. Might even be a big step admitting that there's a problem, rather than just pretending it doesn't exist.
          [–]Mercedene_Morghon 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
          Covering evidence of it seems like the epitome of pretending it doesn't exist.
          [–]sum_force 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
          Point taken, but I meant that covering evidence in itself is an acknowledgement that there is evidence from a real problem. More so than if they had done a segment on something else entirely, at least.
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            [–]AframesStatuette 32 points33 points34 points  (5 children)
            Hyuck hyuck this joke is fucking old and sucks.
            [–]I_hate_ms comment score below threshold-26 points-25 points-24 points  (3 children)
            You must be a real hoot at parties.
            [–]mjk05d 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
            Another comment occupying the bleeding edge of originality.
            [–]fags4islam 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
            Sounds like you're not funny at parties either if you tell jokes like that.
            You know who tells "jokes" like that? Closet wife beaters, that's who. If people laugh, they feel reassured that their behaviour isn't actually that bad. If no one laughs, they say "relax, it was just a joke".
            Remember, if you hear a joke like that, don't laugh out of politeness. You have to say "dude, that's not funny". You can change the topic afterward if you need, but make sure you say it.
            [–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
            Thanks for your perspective, /u/fags4islam
            [–]ashara_zavros comment score below threshold-19 points-18 points-17 points  (0 children)
            You suck.
            [–]SecTrono 76 points77 points78 points  (61 children)
            what you have to understand is that there are people who will mistake these kinds of jokes as acceptance that hitting other people is alright. its why i don't make these sorts of jokes anymore. it just helps things to stay the way they are.
            [–]elrugmunchero 59 points60 points61 points  (26 children)
            Anyone who sees that joke as a licence to hit women, was hitting women anyway.
            [–]kaizervonmaanen 29 points30 points31 points  (4 children)
            It might make it seem socially acceptable and normal. People are heavily influenced by other people and if it seems normal and they see other people reacting by laughing then it might convince someone that it is a normal way to deal with disagreements.
            Jokes might make people start
            [–]elrugmunchero -5 points-4 points-3 points  (3 children)
            Does it though, that joke is older than me, awareness of domestic violence being wrong has increased since it's inception. Noone who isn't just looking for an excuse will beat their wives because someone made a joke about it. Noone hears a dead baby joke and goes home and throws a baby in a blender.
            [–]kaizervonmaanen 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
            Noone hears a dead baby joke and goes home and throws a baby in a blender.
            Well, the serbs did that in the Bosnian war and it correlated with jokes about doing exactly that.
            [–]ynocfyinco 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
            This is interesting...do you have any other info/articles about it?
            [–]elrugmunchero 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
            That's the exact opposite, that's throwing a baby in a blender, then telling a joke about it. Correlation is one thing, causation another.
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              [–]Octodactyl 54 points55 points56 points  (16 children)
              Of course not. But when everyone is making those jokes, it normalizes that behavior, and creates a culture in which violence against women isn't really that serious, or is no longer considered taboo. It makes it easier to brush off such behavior whenever it actually does occur, and can make victims feel like they'll just get made fun of or brushed off if they speak up about their abuse. It relates back to the idea of creating a rape culture. It doesn't mean the joker is a straight up misogynist or abuser, nor that they are directly encouraging abuse with their joke....but on a large scale it makes it easier for us to look the other way when that behavior occurs.
              [–]GambitHollow -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
              Actully studies shows that black humor, makes it easier for people to comprehend fucked up shit in the world, they see,
              so... "it normalises the behavior", is a bit of a strawman argument.
              And tell that to alot of firemen, doctors, "you name it" etc. who end up seeing fucked up shit as part of their job, they usualy has a tendency to have a black humor, because it relieves stressfull situations, than sitting in a cornor keeping ya shit for yourself.
              Actully it's going to hurt you more in the long end.
              Thing is, you can joke about everything. it's not gonna stop mentally ill people from doing fucked up shit in the world and chances are, they should be locked up, but aren't, so it's really the government that is failing.
              ps. i would rather stay sane in a insane world.
              [–]shoopdawoopzxc 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
              You mean dark humour?? lol And yes, humour is a wonderful coping mechanism. I think you have a good point somewhere in there, but the rest of your argument doesn't really hold up.
              Also the only times I've ever heard jokes like this were, they're never funny to me, just kind of icky. There's also if you try and point out that this actually isn't okay, they say something like 'wow, you're no fun' (which can also be seen throughout this thread lol)
              [–]WhateverThisWasAgain -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
              Are you going to point to cultivation theory here? Have you taken the time to read up on these theories by any chance?
              [–]lvcons -4 points-3 points-2 points  (1 child)
              You know why those jokes are funny? Because they're absurd. No one would hit their wife - hence why it's funny. If you actually hit your wife - go and die.
              [–]ntn2 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
              ou know why those jokes are funny? Because they're absurd. No one would hit their wife - hence why it's funny.
              I think you would find that most of these jokes were created in a time where it would have been pretty acceptable to hit your wife.
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                [–]PurpleAntifreeze 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
                Yes, yes it does. Methinks the abuser doth protest too much.
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                  [–]shoopdawoopzxc 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                  So if we're aware that our jokes can influence someone to beat up women, why would we continue spreading them?? Just gotta be conscious about it man.
                  [–]nsa_shill -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                  That's cute, but you should have stuck with your original argument. Now you've discredited yourself in the eyes of many who might have been swayed by your (good) argument but who you've just accused of physically abusing women because they're sceptical about the link between humor and action.
                  [–]nonsensepoem -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                  Methinks the abuser doth protest too much.
                  That's where you lost the debate, giving up whatever solid ground you had.
                  Although to be fair, "No it doesn't" isn't much of a rejoinder either.
                  [–]EternalArchon 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  "I went to the store and bought some milk"
                  The only way that could possibly be a joke is in a culture where such a behavior is NOT NORMALIZED.
                  [–]MyriadMuse comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (0 children)
                  Actually rape culture doesn't exist. This is like saying videogames normalize killing people and terrorist jokes normalize terrorism. The reason why people make such jokes is because they know it's wrong. That's what makes it funny. You can find something to be wrong but still make a joke about it.
                  I've heard even some people who were raped will make jokes about it to ease the pain.
                  [–]elrugmunchero -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                  Frankie Boyle's audience go home and do some frightful things.
                  [–]r_e_k_r_u_l -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                  What a coincidence, I watched a bit of a bill burr special yesterday and he used almost exactly your words to make that point
                  [–]SecTrono 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  you are right, but these sorts of jokes would help them rationalize what they do so that they will continue to do it.
                  [–]no_4 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
                  By that reasoning, one shouldn't make any joke about doing anything negative. Seems a bit repressive.
                  [–]elblues 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
                  Not necessarily.
                  If you make fun of the victims, then it is normalization by making light of the situation.
                  If you make fun of the perpetrators, then the jokes are sending a message that these things are not okay.
                  Just because the subjects are touchy doesn't mean humor cannot be found. Perspective is really important here.
                  [–]kaizervonmaanen 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
                  You can if you want to promote and normalise domestic violence. That is what those jokes are there for, the more common they are the more it is viewed as a laughing matter like it was in the 1800s when it was common to joke about it. Or even 1950 when hitting the wife was a staple of sitcoms and the harder they hit the funnier it was.
                  [–]WhateverThisWasAgain comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (0 children)
                  Good thing that's not how that works. You just basically regurgitated some pop Sci bs on how things like this become "normalized".
                  [–]SecTrono 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                  its all about the tone and perspective. i firmly believe we should be able to joke about anything and everything you just have to do it properly. in this case the joke is glorifying a man beating a woman like its funny and acceptable.
                  [–]Skillster -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                  There's no reasoning here, honestly.
                  [–]obliviious 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
                  Like someone else said, it wouldn't even be considered a joke if it wasn't abhorrent behaviour. People like you need to stop blaming innocent peoples words for other peoples crimes.
                  [–]SecTrono 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                  these sorts of jokes make people who beat women feel like that its alright to do these sorts of thing.
                  [–]ntn2 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                  Like someone else said, it wouldn't even be considered a joke if it wasn't abhorrent behaviour.
                  This joke has been around since before this would have been considered truly abhorrent behavior.
                  [–]I_hate_ms 2 points3 points4 points  (14 children)
                  Settle down there, Buzz Killington. I'm pretty certain some douchebag smacking a woman around isn't doing it because of a joke he heard on fucking Reddit.
                  [–]Octodactyl 15 points16 points17 points  (3 children)
                  Of course not. But when everyone is making those jokes, it normalizes that behavior, and creates a culture in which violence against women isn't really that serious, or is no longer considered taboo. It makes it easier to brush off such behavior whenever it actually does occur, and can make victims feel like they'll just get made fun of or brushed off if they speak up about their abuse. It relates back to the idea of creating a rape culture. It doesn't mean the joker is a straight up misogynist or abuser, nor that they are directly encouraging abuse with their joke....but on a large scale it makes it easier for us to look the other way when that behavior occurs.
                  [–]trbern -3 points-2 points-1 points  (2 children)
                  Ok and is this one guy on Reddit really creating this "large scale" your talking about or maybe trying to bring comic relief to a very shitty a surreal thing that we all just found out. So can we stop arguing about if some joke is wrong and get back to what the fuck is going on in Morocco?
                  [–]Iwokeupwithoutapillo 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
                  The one guy isn't the large scale, he's part of it. Can't say who's in the right on this one, though I'm not a fan of those sorts of jokes, but yeah, the "large scale" is everyone else making these sorts of jokes, not this one dude alone.
                  [–]trbern -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
                  I'm not a huge fan either but my point is if you want to have a productive conversation ignore the stupid joke instead of validating it and talk about Morocco because this entire thread has now become a waste of everyone's time and detracts from the real issue.
                  [–]SecTrono 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  no, but these sorts of jokes would help him rationalize what he does so that he will continue to do it.
                  [–]AframesStatuette comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (8 children)
                  Ah, the old fuck personal responsibility shtick. Classic.
                  [–]ardranor 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
                  So the person posting a joke has to take personal responsibility for telling ppl it's ok to hot women, but the douche nozzle hitting women can just say that a joke told them it was ok...
                  [–]PurpleAntifreeze comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (1 child)
                  No asshole. But nice try avoiding the actual subject. So who do you abuse that you feel the need to put up this kind of defense?
                  [–]ardranor 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  Apparently your poor defenseless feelings
                  [–]fairly_bookish -2 points-1 points0 points  (3 children)
                  If a guy hits his wife, aren't you trying to help that guy avoid the responsibility for his violent act by saying it was a joke that made him do it?
                  [–]Joe_on_the_Internet 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                  It's not a joke that does it, it's all the jokes. How can people here not see that distinction. It's not like people will even necessarily be conscious of the fact that their environment has changed their thinking that much, until a woman pisses them off or until they see a gay couple walking down the street or until they see an uppity black person minding his own business. That shit becomes entrenched. Sorry you can't see it, I'm sure you're an alright person, but you can't deny that seeing a thing normalized can definitely change the way you act in subtle ways that build up over time. It's evolution, baby.
                  [–]fairly_bookish 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  That's the same kind of logic that people use when they claim violent video games make people more violent.
                  [–]Skillster -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                  You're so set in your ways, and convinced you're correct based on nothing. Not facts, research or study. I really don't understand it.
                  [–]MyriadMuse 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                  This is bullshit. No one who is sane will see these jokes and be like: lol is okay to hit women.
                  [–]SecTrono 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
                  Correct, no sane person, but there are plenty of insane people out there. there are still people who think its ok to hit others and when jokes like these are made it helps them continue to believe that what they are doing is alright.
                  [–]MyriadMuse 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  They will continue no matter if people made jokes or not. same with people who kill in the fashion of a horror movie they saw. They woulda killed someone even if they hadn't seen the horror movie. They were always on the brink of doing so.
                  [–]mjk05d 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Well there's that, and the fact that it's been said so many times that it just makes the person saying it look stupid at this point.
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                    [–]jilliusceasar 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                    lol, being fun at parties isn't the ultimate goal here. it's more so not letting abuse patterns continue
                    [–]PurpleAntifreeze -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
                    And you're a rancid piece of shit but people still hear you out.
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                      [–]ynocfyinco 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                      I thought you said, "Here are some tips to cover those up!"
                      [–]OatsRock 5 points6 points7 points  (11 children)
                      dude. what the fuck?
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                        [–]I_hate_ms 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                        Dude.
                        [–]ATN-Antronach 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                        That's not even the worst.
                        [–]OatsRock -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
                        Just as an fyi, I'm not offended everybody. Just wasn't expecting that joke.
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                          [–]LameBond 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
                          wow how edgy and hardcore
                          [–]OatsRock 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                          Yes, please send me a puppy and coloring book, pronto. Chocolate too.
                          [–]trekie88 -4 points-3 points-2 points  (1 child)
                          Some people don't understand satire
                          [–]IorekHenderson 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
                          Maybe he's tired of seeing that joke posted on reddit every week.
                          [–]OhHiGCHQ 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                          The fact they tell them to hide them is a tacit admission it's wrong.
                          Religion, not even once.
                          [–]nosoyhomeless -4 points-3 points-2 points  (1 child)
                          Did you all ever stop and think the model might have hit herself on a counter?
                          [–]femalebot 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                          It was theatrical make up, they mention it in the video.
                          [–]casperwebb -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
                          I really wanted to make a jumper cables comment, but no...
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                            [–]sum_force 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
                            For perspective, about 1/3 of American women have been physically assaulted by an intimate partner. "Top blokes" exist in every culture.
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                              [–]femalebot 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                              In America both women and men get beaten. In Morocco I'm sure it's the same.
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