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Can we not turn this sub into /r/theredpill? (self.short)

bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm が 投稿

It's kind of surreal seeing grown men on here talk about how literally no woman will look at you if you're under 5'10 unless you're rich and/or muscular.

I guarantee you that women have a hugely diverse range of tastes, just like men. I see other people here calling out this bullshit, and all the man-children here have to jump to quickly defend their worldview before someone tears it down.

"I'm 5'5."

"Oh so you don't date?"

"Actually I've had several healthy relationships before."

"So...you're gay?"

"Nope, straight as hell."

"Fat girlfriend?"

"No she's actually in shape. Only two inches shorter than me. And she's actually my wife."

"So...you're drowning in money right?"

"No we actually live kinda paycheck to paycheck."

"You are definitely ripped as hell."

"Nah, on the slimmer side of lean. I'm in shape but not super muscular."

"Well shit, it can't be your personality. That's just stupid."

I swear the people here are delusional. Currently one of the top posts is about how being short isn't the problem; being thin is! We've cracked the code guys!

No, you haven't. As someone who vacillates between 5'8-5'7 and weighs ~125, I can tell you that it's pretty much 70-80% personality and confidence. I'm on the skinny side of lean and I've never been treated negatively before by guys or girls. Why? Because I give zero fucks and I'm confident as hell. These RedPill-esque type posts are seriously getting old. Heightism doesn't exist. Height wage gap doesn't exist. Some women do dig skinny guys. Some women do dig short guys. Most women don't care about height as long as you're a couple inches taller. There are plenty of short women. There is nothing to complain about unless you are literally a dwarf.

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[–]ShortyShuvnstuff5'4" 20ポイント21ポイント  (7子コメント)

On the bright side, I think I'm in the middle of a late, slow growth spurt.

If height doesn't matter and you get by solely with confidence in yourself, can you explain why you want to be taller?

[–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ah you're right. Got me good.

No lol just kidding. It's a bonus to me. I'm fine even if the spurt ended now.

Oh and how is this relevant again?

[–]ShortyShuvnstuff5'4" 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

What's the bonus?

[–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

You are literally grasping at straws in this convo dude.

The "bonus" doesn't entail anything. It's just that: a "bonus".

"I'm 5'5."

"No, you're actually around 5'8."

"Huh, neat. I didn't know that."

[–]ShortyShuvnstuff5'4" 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just asking questions. Congratulations on your bonus.

[–]AARancor22~5'7" | 171 cm | 0.00092 Nautical Miles 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

If society isn't heightist and doesn't give tall people privilege, why is being taller a bonus?

[–]EnterAdman5'10 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many different reasons. Perhaps he's interested in playing a sport like basketball where height is necessary, or he's dating a taller girl and wants to be the same height.

[–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Read my comment again.

[–]BeachHouse4lyf5'5" | 164.5 cm 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

So, I agree with some of what you say but not with everything.

Do I think redpill is asinine? Yes. Do I think "most women don't care about height as long as you're a couple inches taller"? Yes.

But I see in the comments you denying heightism, and that's where I wholeheartedly disagree with you.

Since women tend to be shorter than men we, culturally, associate shortness with femininity. Since we, culturally, elevate things we associate with masculinity and denigrate things we associate with femininity, shortness is seen as inferior to tallness. This phenomenon is exacerbated in men due to gender norms, which assert that properly masculine men are physically large. By being short, we are both exhibiting a feminine (and therefore culturally inferior) characteristic and breaking a rigidly held gender norm that men occupy a great amount of space. This has measurably deleterious outcomes for short men (and short women face similar issues in any scenario where traditional femininity is disfavored; i.e. basically all of society outside of dating).

So, when you say "There is nothing to complain about unless you are literally a dwarf." I mean, that's taking it too far. Guys here absolutely overplay how much more difficult dating is for short men. It is harder, but not impossibly so. Some taller women will date you and many women shorter than you will, too; you just have to look a bit harder to find willing partners, but such is life for men with a host of traits deemed culturally unattractive. Being thin probably does also make things more difficult in romance for short men, because, remember properly masculine men according to patriarchal gender norms are big. Being short and thin makes us small and therefore leads to a further cultural devaluation of our masculinity.

But more difficult is not the same as impossible, or even really hard. If you can't date and you are anywhere near the average height of women where you live, it isn't because you're short (and even if you're short and thin). It's because you're short and boring, or short and self-loathing, or short and very out-of-shape, and so on.

Still, the fact that shortness in men causes perceptions of our masculinity to be diminished, on top of the overall social stigma in place against the feminine (and therefore, shortness in men or women), does make life more challenging for short people. By wholesale denying that, you're not really any better than the RedPill acolytes that you correctly point out occasionally fill this community.

[–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Okay I can agree with that. But the reason I say heightism doesn't exist is because people here use the word in the same way one would use "racism". The way you explain it, I see height being an issue just like I see tiny breasts on a woman being an issue (essentially, a very small issue). Not in any way like the effect skin color may have on a black guy.

[–]ghiscari_4'| the dwarf formerly known as hullmarch 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

So it's an emotional argument you have? You deny a discrimination exists because you don't like "how people here use the word." What does that have to do with the existence of a discrimination? You scoff at people not immediately posting citations yet your own argument is extremely flawed. You realise your position is not a logical position, right?

[–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You deny a discrimination exists because you don't like "how people here use the word."

Let's be honest dude. It isn't really a discrimination if it's being used the way the above guy described it.

When I see the word "heightism", my mind jumps to "racism, but with height instead." Not "some women are more attracted to tall guys and some short people may get bullied on the playground".

You scoff at people not immediately posting citations yet your own argument is extremely flawed. You realise your position is not a logical position, right?

Then let me rectify it: heightism doesn't exist in the way people here think it does. It does exist, but to such a small degree that it should probably be renamed to something with less of a negative connotation.

Now that I've cleared up the semantics, do you understand me? Are the word games over?

[–]GeoffreyArnold 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Heightism can be framed as an institutional form of oppression, similar to racism, sexism, etc. But we need examples for the critics who claim that heightism is a private prejudice instead of a systemic one. So, by "institutional" or "systemic" I am talking about examples of discrimination or disparate treatment carried out by organized groups (governments, companies, government entities, clubs, Universities, media outlets, etc.)

Here are a few I came up with earlier, but I'm sure we can come up with a fuller list.

  • [Government] Only 1 out of 50 states guarantees equal rights to short people in terms of employment and government contracts (Michigan).

  • [University System] Up until the 1960s Ivy League Schools had policies excluding short men from admission (Gladwell talks about this at Harvard and Yale when they started an in person interview process to weed out short men - you even had to list your height on the old applications).

  • [Government] As of 2000, the United States Government (through the FDA) has designated healthy male children who are projected to have an adult height shorter than 5'3" to be diseased and a candidate for treatment, even if they are producing healthy and normal growth hormone. The reason for this is that the government determine that the child's adult quality of life will be so low that it should be a disease unto itself.

  • [Government - public schools] Short boys are bullied in public schools with very little legal recourse to protect them. At least three short boys (that I know of) have killed themselves this year because they were bullied because of heightism.

  • [corporate/industry] The wage gap in the job market based on height is comparable (or greater) than the gender wage gap (depending on how it's calculated).

  • [corporate/industry] Shorter candidates are less likely to be hired and less likely to be promoted than taller candidates.

  • [Government - Civics] Short people are less likely to win elections and heightism related issues are not addressed through the political process.

[–]ghiscari_4'| the dwarf formerly known as hullmarch 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're the one getting hung up on words here.

Again, you're denying the other reaches of the discrimination. Personally, I don't give a shit about dating 'discrimination'. I do think the height preference in dating is exacerbated by social stigma (and that's a whole other issue) but women can still prefer whoever they want. That doesn't make them bigoted.

Short men are assumed to have less competence, assumed to have less leadership skills, assumed to be insecure, and assumed to be more temperamental. These irrational prejudices have damaging results. That's a problem.

Heightism's quicker to say than Height discrimination. Racism does not have a monopoly on 'ism' and using it to refer to a discrimination does not equate that discrimination to racism (familiar with sexism, ageism, ableism, sizeism and lookism?) Stop getting hung up on a suffix.

[–]reddittah5'5½" | 166.5 cm 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

OP is 19 years old

[–]Mustang80 19ポイント20ポイント  (37子コメント)

A lot of wrong in your post, OP, and I don't see this going the way you hope it does. Heightism doesn't exist? Lol. Is this a troll post? So a 6'0 guy and a 5'3 guy will live the same life if they had the same personality? That's before even delving into the fact that some of the other things you say don't exist are verifiably proven to exist.

[–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (36子コメント)

So a 6'0 guy and a 5'3 guy will live the same life if they had the same personality?

Assuming the 5'3 guy isn't super insecure, yes. Otherwise no, the 5'3 guy will delude himself into believing that he is an oppressed minority and therefore live a miserable existence. But only due to his own way of thinking.

[–]Mustang80 13ポイント14ポイント  (34子コメント)

Cool. So can you help explain why men 6 feet and over only make up 14% of the American population but 58% of CEOs are that same height? More than half, when they're such a minority in the grand scheme of things?

Or explain the pay disparity between taller men and even average height men? http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/2002/03/short_changed.html

[–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (16子コメント)

Ah, the classic "multiple studies", followed by literally zero citations. Got me good.

No but for real - I'll pretend you didn't even link me that.

Cool. So can you help explain why men 6 feet and over only make up 14% of the American population but 58% of CEOs are that same height? More than half, when they're such a minority in the grand scheme of things?

I can give it a go if you cite some shit saying that. But in the absence of citations: correlation doesn't equal causation. There are a ton of other factors to account for.

[–]ghiscari_4'| the dwarf formerly known as hullmarch 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

Link

Link

[–]IAMGODDESSOFCATSAMA5'6" | 167.64 cm 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

No response to this comment, that's weird /u/bleak-outlook

[–]EnterAdman5'10 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Those posts kinda illustrate his point. They focus on how the height of the person effects their outlook and attitude. The more confident people were usually taller, so they ended up in the higher level positions. It's about your mentality.

[–]ikkleste5' 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay...but why were taller folks more confident? Could it be because teller folks have had a lifetime of reinforcement of their confidence where as shorter folks have had a lifetime of having that broken down?

You've asserted a trend here, tall = more confident = more success. The more confident = more success makes sense. But why do we see the taller = more confident part? Would anyone assert that it was innate, like genetic or something? Or is it something societal that we can challenge?

[–]ghiscari_4'| the dwarf formerly known as hullmarch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, but does that disprove heightism? The fact that height even has that great of an effect on self perception is noteworthy in itself. Why is that, if heightism isn't real? I don't think OP even disagrees with me, really. Further down he admits that heightism is real, he just doesn't like the name.

[–]bombtrack 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

What are the other factors? Can you list them? Or at least some possibilities in your mind?

[–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

What class you were born into, level of confidence, self-esteem, sociability.

[–]Mustang80 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ahh. Looking like this was a troll post as I intially thought. Dude it's Saturday lol. Is this how you planned to spend it? There's a whole world out there.

[–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Still no sources

But I'm the troll.

Dude it's Saturday lol. Is this how you planned to spend it? There's a whole world out there.

And yet, people like you bitch and moan about imaginary discriminations because you need to point the finger at something else other than your terrible personality. Take your own advice.

But yeah, I pretty much planned to spend it doing nothing. A perfect day for me.

[–]Mustang80 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I provided two counters to your OP. I asked you why CEOs are much taller on average than the US population where it should be more reflective of the actual population. Also sent an article asking to explain the huge pay gap between taller men and everyone else.

I'm not doing your homework for you. If you weren't trolling, and wanted to have an actual dialogue (1) You wouldn't have snarky responses for everyone who posted in here (2) You would have done at least a modicum of actual research that confirms or denies the premise of your OP before writing it and insulting people. Instead you came in here, made baseless claims that are easily discredited with a simple google search, and did the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la la when confronted with facts.

If that's not trolling I don't know what is. You voted for Trump I assume?

[–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I provided two counters to your OP. I asked you why CEOs are much taller on average than the US population where it should be more reflective of the actual population. Also sent an article asking to explain the huge pay gap between taller men and everyone else.

You cited no sources for you first claim and then sent me an article which cited no sources for it's claim.

I'm not doing your homework for you.

Clearly not. You would have cited actual sources.

Joking aside, the burden of proof is on you. I'm not going to take your word for it that CEOs are much taller than average. I can literally just reply saying that actually, CEOs are much shorter than average. But, like you, I didn't cite a source for that statement. So I don't expect you to take it seriously.

If you weren't trolling, and wanted to have an actual dialogue (1) You wouldn't have snarky responses for everyone who posted in here

I'm not interested in "dialogue". I'm interested in calling out bullshit. Just like I wouldn't go to /r/theredpill and try to have "dialogue".

You would have done at least a modicum of actual research that confirms or denies the premise of your OP before writing it and insulting people. Instead you came in here, made baseless claims that are easily discredited with a simple google search, and did the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la la when confronted with facts.

Literally only one person here has posted any sources whatsoever. Don't know much about those "facts".

You voted for Trump I assume?

Nope! Try again!

[–]nontrollingaccount 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

You are so low iq

[–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

frequent poster in /r/incels

[–]nontrollingaccount 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nothing to add.

[–]IAMGODDESSOFCATSAMA5'6" | 167.64 cm 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great argument bro! You're the best at argument!

[–]kevinnetter6'3" | 190 cm -1ポイント0ポイント  (15子コメント)

Because too many short guys are like the guys OP is complaining about instead of being like OP?

[–]imakefarts5'4" 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

Don't you think it might be because of people like you with negative attitudes towards short men?

If you believe that short men are inherently predisposed to not act like CEO's, you are part of the problem.

Its like when people say "short men are fine but insecure short men are pathetic". At 5'4" most people have assumed I am insecure before I open my mouth, just like at 5'4" you have assumed I wouldn't have the strength to become a CEO instead of sitting around complaining.

But you don't care right? You'd rather come to a community of short men and put them down, just like many tall men before you. You don't have any obstacles in your life, why do you need to put obstacles in ours?

[–]kevinnetter6'3" | 190 cm 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm just saying lots of people paint themselves into corners and don't live up their potential because "the whole world is stacked against them". They have a hill to climb, but start by putting on extra ankle weights.

I totally see heightism as an issue, but it's not going to be dealt with without people standing up for themselves.

[–]imakefarts5'4" 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

standig up for themselves

This leads directly to being accused of being an angry little man with short man syndrome. This is why short men can't do this alone, we can't change the minds of those who benefit from the fetishization of height because to most of them our opinions don't matter, and a good amount outright hate us and would rather we be miserable anyway.

[–]kevinnetter6'3" | 190 cm -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I didn't mean yelling at people...

I think it's about making these issue real to people and having people who agree with you help out by speaking up and being supportive.

[–]imakefarts5'4" 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me neither, I mean that in an ironic way a short man working extra hard won't get promoted, he'll just be seen as compensating.

Anyway, it seems like you mostly get it, keep on being a bro for the little guys.

[–]Mustang80 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You yourself said heightism is real a few posts above. You don't tackle problems by digging your head in the sand and pretending they don't exist.

There is factual evidence that shows shorter men have a harder time moving up in their professional life and making as much money as a taller man. That's not up for debate. Facts never are. So then the question becomes "well how should someone address it?"

I don't believe in ignoring facts. You don't have to let them rule your life, but you have to be cognizant of them. If we all walked around believing that we had the same opportunities as taller men, living in a fantasy world, we'd be worse off, in my opinion. The best course of action is to talk possible solutions to fixing the problem, not ignoring it.

[–]Rotau5'7" | Z cm 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh shut up and let people who actually have perspective on the issue to talk. Your opinion is completely irrelevant.

[–]kevinnetter6'3" | 190 cm -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sounds like someone who is never going to be a CEO.

[–]Rotau5'7" | Z cm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol the fuck does that mean?

[–]IAMGODDESSOFCATSAMA5'6" | 167.64 cm 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Heightism doesn't exist" - 5'7 and up people

[–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly what I suspect, and what's admitted in one of the studies I've had linked to me.

[–]kevinnetter6'3" | 190 cm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why are most principals men?

Because most women have no interest in being principals.

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    [–]Zelotic6'6" [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Because we aren't consistently bitching about things as trivial as height. Literally no one gives a shit bro.

    [–]manletttime 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

    No, you haven't. As someone who vacillates between 5'8-5'7 and weighs ~125, I can tell you that it's pretty much 70-80% personality and confidence.

    Blah blah blah blah. Personal anecdote in place of data? Check. Arbitrary statistic pulled out of butt? Check. Vague woo-woo attribute credited with success? Double check.

    Of course, you admit that there are other traits at play here: "on the slimmer side of lean. I'm in shape but not super muscular"

    better than at least 66% of men --- cool bro!

    Heightism doesn't exist.

    Strong reality denial here.

    Ignore OP's "KUNFIDENCE BRO" silliness. It essentially amounts to a long shit post disguised as a shame post itself disguised as a motivation post.

    Replace all the references to short men with "non-white" men and the type of "reasoning" at play will become even more obvious.

    [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You literally grasp at straws to validate your worldview.

    Of course, you admit that there are other traits at play here: "on the slimmer side of lean. I'm in shape but not super muscular"

    better than at least 66% of men --- cool bro!

    No no no friend. You need to put this in context.

    What did I say before that?

    Replace all the references to short men with "non-white" men and the type of "reasoning" at play will become even more obvious.

    Jeeeeesus how does your colon smell?

    [–]manletttime 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're a fucking idiot. If you are lean or on the slimmer side of lean, you are more in shape than at least 66% of men, and seeing as how being lean is more important for overall attractiveness than being tall, that's something going for you right there.

    Anyway it's obvious you're just a troll. Eat shit since you're already trying to sniff my colon. Later.

    [–]ghiscari_4'| the dwarf formerly known as hullmarch 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The height wage gap doesn't exist? Cool! Are we just ignoring facts we don't like now?

    [–]Mustang80 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Looks like that's what we're doing, yes.

    [–]imakefarts5'4" 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yes, because admitting that height is the number one component of female attraction totally means you're a woman hating redpiller.

    Can we not concern troll?

    [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Yes, because admitting that height is the number one component of female attraction

    Lol

    [–]imakefarts5'4" 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Wow you totally changed my mind

    [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wasn't trying to honestly.

    [–]bombtrack 22ポイント23ポイント  (5子コメント)

    You're 5'8" dude, you have no idea.

    [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I hit a late growth spurt. I used to be 5'5.

    [–]bombtrack 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Oh yea, when was this growth spurt?

    [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

    College.

    Your attitude is exactly what I'm describing by the way. So thank you for making my point.

    [–]bombtrack 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Lol, yes, I brought all of the hatred about my body that society has onto myself. I was asking for it. You make a good point.

    [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's not what I said.

    [–]lawr115'3"/160 cm - Tinder Experiment: https://redd.it/4q6h7g 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Heightism doesn't exist.

    Height wage gap doesn't exist.

    Most women don't care about height as long as you're a couple inches taller. There are plenty of short women.

    Honestly shut, the, fuck, up.

    [–]IAMGODDESSOFCATSAMA5'6" | 167.64 cm 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The wikipedia page's talk page is 90% tall guys whining lmao

    [–]lawr115'3"/160 cm - Tinder Experiment: https://redd.it/4q6h7g 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So just like Reddit?

    [–]kevinnetter6'3" | 190 cm 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Jeepers. I should get out of teaching. I only make as much as my short peers.

    [–]lawr115'3"/160 cm - Tinder Experiment: https://redd.it/4q6h7g 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

    No matter what you or I or the OP says, our anecdotes/lives will never be as big of a sample size as any actual research.

    My experiment with the law of averages wasn't making any claims it was only to test a theory.

    [–]kevinnetter6'3" | 190 cm 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It is actually really interesting research. It is very similar to findings about women and wages as well.

    I'd be curious on how to best limit it in the future? Confidence training for short folks or sensitivity training for those in power? Or both?

    It definitely doesn't make sense to me. I'm just glad I don't have to argue for my wage.

    [–]lawr115'3"/160 cm - Tinder Experiment: https://redd.it/4q6h7g 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I learned the hard way on what works and what doesn't when I'm an entire foot shorter than people like you. I can take care of myself mostly, but how to tackle the overall issue or change society? I don't have a clue.

    Anything is better than what the OP is doing here, which would be: denying it outright, and not even trying to be objective at all but still demanding people post sources, and then uses his dad and himself as literally the only examples lmao.

    [–]kevinnetter6'3" | 190 cm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Agreed. It definitely an issue. I see it in schools every day where kids aren't so shy about speaking their mind.

    I think OP is just trying to hit the problem with a positivity stick, which will help, but isn't going to solve the problem outright.

    I personally find the person stories of the little issues that come with being short the most compelling. I think it makes a difference. It just needs to get more out there.

    [–]stressed_mess 9ポイント10ポイント  (14子コメント)

    I agree. To be fair though, there are only three or four posters who do that, but they comment five times on each post and make it look much worse than it is.

    [–]AlekRivard5'4.75" | 164.5 cm | 21 yo 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Which is what I have said before. We have a very vocal minority who voices those opinions, but it's just that: a minority

    [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (12子コメント)

    They are the problem. I've only been on this sub for a few weeks and I recognize their names.

    [–]lawr115'3"/160 cm - Tinder Experiment: https://redd.it/4q6h7g 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

    I've only been on this sub for a few weeks

    lmao!

    [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

    I know right?! Lmao!!!!

    Won't be coming back. Toxicity isn't healthy.

    [–]imakefarts5'4" 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good riddance.

    We need as few heightist trolls as possible before this sub can be positive.

    [–]lawr115'3"/160 cm - Tinder Experiment: https://redd.it/4q6h7g 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I'm mocking you though. You sound like a typical college freshman.

    [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

    And you sound like a bitter, toxic man-child living in an echo chamber.

    [–]closeraway165'5" 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I think what he means is there are men here who have known the dating scene longer than you've been alive. At least get out of college first before claiming to know what women want. At least google "short men dating" and spend some time reading.

    [–]lawr115'3"/160 cm - Tinder Experiment: https://redd.it/4q6h7g 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Now why would he do that when he can post a meta thread bashing the sub and gain all of those precious lurker upvotes?

    [–]parallux [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    It is frightening that so many people without arguments feel they know anything, while supporting the cognitive dissonance ideologically that there can be no truth only moral relativism, social Darwinism, and service to self / material heirarchicalism.

    [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    there are men here who have known the dating scene longer than you've been alive.

    If that's the case then who is he to talk?

    [–]lawr115'3"/160 cm - Tinder Experiment: https://redd.it/4q6h7g [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Ad hominem seems to be your favorite thing to do. I've learned how to play the 5'3" game, but you're denying something you haven't experienced as ever happening because you've got a sample size of 2. You sound like the 19 year old white girl that went to an all white school in my med program that spouts #AllLivesMatter every chance she gets. You think life at 5'3" and 6'3" are exactly the same but you said growing taller yourself is a bonus, which is already a contradiction. I bet if someone had the power to make you grow shorter by a foot you would absolutely refuse.

    And so I take it you think that Wikipedia article is just a bunch of people lying about height discrimination? At what benefit would there be?

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      [–]al9105'7" | 174cm 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You're delusional if you think looks aren't the most important part of dating.

      [–]parallux 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance.

      Height-ism exists, just as the height wage gap exists. That this has been ignored by the acadame because of how peculiarly inconvenient height bigotry is to name itself is mind numbing. Condemning the Semetic heritage of scientific mind control (advertising) takes less courage than to stand up to very visible height bigotry.

      If 5'10 guys are short, that makes 5'4'' guys subhuman. A privilege for which reflected in the aggregated life-outcomes is bereft of any material benefit, deserving a statistically significant deficit.

      Start confronting ideological feminists for never considering that they should want to be equal to so-and-so (not) men if they want to ever be equal to the men they -imagine- or ideate and materially/hierarchically feel they all unanimously deserve, if you want to be Big Guy (trademark).

      Hypergamy is a rather simple demographic trend to watch, and demographics are destiny. For worse or for better. Such a trendline leads to the destruction of recognizable cult-ure.

      The just world normalization, "Oh there are some women who will break the cardinal rule of dating for (so-and-so) short men!" is an insidious accusation, Satan! There are plenty of short women, who are tired of being grovelled at by short men who feel they deserve a short woman, who everyone else 'naturally' wants to dominate. Like, ew. Totally missogyny to say some short women have to be dating lesser men.

      Humanity is meat market brah!

      Like, institutional human trafficking was ended by the evil christian white males a hundred years ago, right?

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Height-ism exists, just as the height wage gap exists. That this has been ignored by the acadame because of how peculiarly inconvenient height bigotry is to name itself is mind numbing. Condemning the Semetic heritage of scientific mind control (advertising) takes less courage than to stand up to very visible height bigotry.

      I'm sorry but it doesn't. Just straight up. It doesn't.

      If 5'10 guys are short, that makes 5'4'' guys subhuman. A privilege for which reflected in the aggregated life-outcomes is bereft of any material benefit.

      So you're saying that my 5'4 father who managed to get married and land a super solid job without ever having anyone give him shit for his height is actually subhuman? Nice try.

      Start confronting ideological feminists for never considering that they should want to be equal to so-and-so (not) men if they want to ever be equal to the men they -imagine- or ideate and materially/hierarchically feel they all unanimously deserve, if you want to be Big Guy (trademark).

      What the fuck did you just say?

      Hypergamy is a rather simple demographic trend to watch, and demographics are destiny. For worse or for better. One trendline leads to the destruction of recognizable cult-ure.

      The just world normalization, "Oh there are some women who will break the cardinal rule of dating for (so-and-so) short men!" is an insidious accusation, Satan! There are plenty of short women, who are tired of being grovelled at by short men who feel they deserve a short women, who everyone else 'naturally' wants to dominate. Like, ew. Totally missogyny to say some short women have to be dating lesser men.

      What the fuck did you just say?

      Humanity is meat market brah!

      Like, institutional human trafficking was ended by the evil christian white males a hundred years ago, right?

      I honestly don't even know what the fuck you're saying dude. But you kinda proved my point by typing all this shit out.

      [–]parallux 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Thanks, I'll be sure to look out for those arguments that you aren't going to make.

      But I respect your will to dominate others.

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I can't really make a reply when you aren't forming coherent sentences.

      But I respect your will to dominate others.

      Yeah see this is what I'm talking about ^

      What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

      [–]parallux 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

      You should be reading, not shit-posting.

      If you don't know what the Hegelian dialectic is you have more reading to do before writing a blog about power, all due respect to your will to dominate others.

      I love you.

      -Fuck I have no idea what that means either!?!

      Let's all act like reductio ad abursdum isn't a fallacy but an argument like u/bondage-future

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Is English your second language?

      [–]parallux 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      are you in high school?

      [–]ShortyShuvnstuff5'4" 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

      And you sincerely believe life is the same for a man half a foot shorter than you?

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Seeing as I actually hit a late growth spurt and know how it is to be 5'5: yes. Yes I absolutely do.

      Also my father is 5'4 and never got shit for it.

      [–]ghiscari_4'| the dwarf formerly known as hullmarch 16ポイント17ポイント  (7子コメント)

      A sample size of 2.

      There have been numerous studies on this subject which have proven that a wage gap exists and that heightist discrimination exists.

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Is that why I hear about it all the time?

      Oh wait, I don't. I didn't know what that term meant until three weeks ago.

      There have been numerous studies on this subject

      Like the ones you cite in your comment?

      [–]ghiscari_4'| the dwarf formerly known as hullmarch 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Is you not hearing about it supposed to be a counter argument? Yes, it's not trendy news. Nobody cares. That doesn't make it not true.

      I already cited them to you further down but I will post them here too (also paging /u/geoffreyarnold since he always has others at hand)

      Link

      Link

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Will begin reading them. Already through one of them and they state a large part of it may be the way that a short person perceives themselves (self-esteem), so doesn't really do anything for me because self-esteem is essentially what I'm addressing in my post.

      Only controlling for age, weight, and sex doesn't seem too promising either, because I can already think of a ton of other factors, but we'll see.

      [–]ghiscari_4'| the dwarf formerly known as hullmarch 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Good. If you come to the conclusion that it must be self-esteem I would also ask you to reflect on why short men would have lower self esteem on a whole - if, as you say, heightism does not exist and there are not negative associations with being short (making it akin to having different coloured eyes).

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Probably the same reason people are insecure about other things that don't matter. Naturally insecure personalities, toxic environments, exposure to toxic environments (like this sub), bullies at school.

      [–]ghiscari_4'| the dwarf formerly known as hullmarch 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So it just so happens there's a very high prevalence of 'naturally insecure personalities' in short men that it creates a sizeable wage gap comparable to gender and race wage gaps? Don't tall people have things to get insecure about?

      [–]IAMGODDESSOFCATSAMA5'6" | 167.64 cm 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So you're saying it's just KUNFIDINSE?

      [–]IAMGODDESSOFCATSAMA5'6" | 167.64 cm 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "As an attractive person of average height I can tell you that my height has never been a problem"

      [–]Soraiah 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I'm a 5'2 woman who only dates short guys my height or a few inches taller. I actually really hate being short and I don't like how tall guys treat me. They usually patronize me "all in fun and jokes" or end up having some wierd fetishes or treat me in different ways than a normal person because they enjoy being so much bigger than me. It's gross and dehumanizing. I'm generalizing Ofcourse, but people can't help but treat short women a certain way either, even if they arn't bad people. Anyways, I'm attracted to and respect short men, I like having someone near my eye level, i'm too lazy to have to look up.

      [–]parallux [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Thank you. But please stop sharing "the people and things" aspect and just talk about the concept of how patronizingly dehumanizing tall men love to act, because coercion is the core principle of society. Not how you feel about materialism (idolatry).

      [–]5pecial5'5" 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

      How about we let it turn into whatever the majority of users want it to turn into, you fuck

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Not really a majority buddy

      [–]munkethXXX 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Then this thread is literally pointless? Good job.

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Vocal minority makes it seem like a majority. Either way, it isn't a good look for the sub.

      [–]IAMGODDESSOFCATSAMA5'6" | 167.64 cm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      No one gives a fuck about the sub's "look"

      [–]parallux [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      it's for the children is the totalitarian argument, Satan.

      [–]closeraway165'5" 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Watch as very few (if any) women will come forward to agree with this post. But women aren't here, you say? Well, as soon as there's a picture thread, holy shit they come out from the shadaws to display their selfies! They're here, but they just can't argue with how much women dislike short men, so they stay silent.

      Women gravitate towards tall men, everybody knows this. They are raised to admire tall men their whole lives. In dating, if there are no available tall men, they'll seek other options, otherwise tall men will control any local dating pool. However, when women DO give short men a chance, they realize that ITS NOT BAD, and tall is not actually required for a successful relationship. The challenge is getting women to that realization in the face of short male bashing coming from everywhere in society.

      When you see women dating short men, its not discounting the affects of heightism, its in spite of heightism. Women have made a decision on their own not to care.

      Its like naming an ice cream flavor "rancid rat gut" on social media. Nobody is going to eat "rat gut" ice cream, but once someone tries it and tells people that its actually a delicious cherry flavor and not "rat gut flavored", people will ignore the widespread false label and just eat the ice cream.

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Your post is a perfect example of the shit I'm talking about. You are literally generalizing half the population.

      [–]parallux [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      small minds cannot handle generalizations

      [–]macafeebiatchX'Y" | Z cm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      But you created a post where you bragged that you grew 3 inches. If height isn't important, why are you so proud of your average height?

      [–]froggym 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Or we are here but don't often comment because we get swamped with guys who claim that being a short woman has no downsides because people want to have sex with us.

      [–]closeraway165'5" 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Depends on the thread. Short women have every right to complain about the lack of respect that comes from being a short person, but dating is completely different. Being short is a feminine trait and helps women (to some extent) in the dating scene. What I'm saying is that very few women will come forward in this sub to disagree that short men are less attractive than tall men and that physical trait makes dating difficult for us.

      [–]parallux [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      No downsides at all. The only complaints are for materialist or hierarchical (power/authority) concerns, both of which are ideologically antihuman, and begot by women's support for such war specifically. You want to have you cake and eat it too, which is not a unique problem. Pondering it means you are too privileged to know the truth of the matter.

      [–]parallux 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      People reading a couple pages here and not coming up with any arguments to be a heroic troll for clearly insane society are making war on YOU.

      [–]Ser_devon_blackJust a pink banner 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      grabs popcorn

      [–]empathetix5'1" | 155 cm 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Tbh it's a bit much to handle at times. I totally recognize short guys deal with a lot of unfair treatment from others at times, but I feel like all I hear about is how NO women ever like short guys.

      I'm fine with short guys and I know plenty of other girls who are, too!

      It wanders a little too close to "Nice Guy" territory for me. I think if a short guy has got confidence and isn't insecure about his height, girls will definitely be interested.

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Thank you for supporting my point, but honestly no one here is going to listen to you.

      [–]parallux [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      How tall are your imagined short guys, 5'10"?

      [–]empathetix5'1" | 155 cm [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Honestly at my height 5'8" is somewhat tall. I'd date anyone who's at least 5 feet. Look, I get a lot of girls are really rude about height and that's fucked up. But not every girl thinks that way.

      [–]parallux [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      "not every girl thinks like her coven" is a red herring, and just mean when it is fewer than one in a thousand.

      [–]ikkleste5' 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Do you know what will really help build their confidence? Dismissing all their concerns...

      [–]mike5f45'4" | 162 cm /r/shortandmale 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I agree. But there are always a few exaggerators and/or trolls lurking here for validation and/or drama.

      [–]AllahWilling5'11 and 1/4" | 180+ cm 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Lol 125 at 5'7... Do you even lift...? Little guy

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Nope. And just a quick post history check confirms I'm way more confident than you are.

      5'11 but can't get women? Ah well, better put me down instead. Hope the short-lived ego boost is enough for a one-night stand ;)

      [–]munkethXXX 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Mate at 125lbs 5'7 you aren't getting laid.

      [–]empathetix5'1" | 155 cm 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There's plenty of lean men who are attractive.

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Kinda odd because I have...nah. You know my life better than I do.

      [–]munkethXXX 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Once maybe.

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Try again friend.

      [–]AllahWilling5'11 and 1/4" | 180+ cm 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Sure is little guy

      [–]MTMzNw__ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's like /r/Asianmasculinity

      [–]Rotau5'7" | Z cm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Why was this removed?

      [–]anderswarbear5'5" | 166 cm 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Is it just me who finds it really weird someone would grow 2 inches after high school? Is that a common thing at all?

      [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      I think it's a genetic thing. Like I've said before, my uncle was 5'7 upon high school graduation and shot up to over 6'0 his senior year of college.

      [–]anderswarbear5'5" | 166 cm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Could you tell me if both happened before or after turning 21?

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        [–]right001 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

        Heh, you've acknowledged its the same people that are posting this mindset, yet you're making it out as the whole subreddit. Good stuff. Just cause YOU havent experienced it, you cant just write it off. Height discrimination does exist. Oh and thats reassuring. Most women dont care about height AS LONG AS you're a couple of inches taller. If confidence were all thats necessary, I would see no posts ever on relationship or other subreddits (there was on just a few days ago on tall), asking for advice on a date with a short/er guy

        [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        Heh, you've acknowledged its the same people that are posting this mindset, yet you're making it out as the whole subreddit.

        When the same posters leave 3-4 comments on every thread about it, it seems like the whole subreddit. But then again, I never said it's the whole subreddit.

        Most women dont care about height AS LONG AS you're a couple of inches taller.

        "Short women don't exist."

        If confidence were all thats necessary, I would see no posts ever on relationship or other subreddits (there was on just a few days ago on tall), asking for advice on a date with a short/er guy

        You don't even know the guy in question dude. Maybe his confidence is shit. Or maybe the woman is afraid of offending the guy by bringing attention to his height. There are a dozen possibilities.

        [–]right001 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Don't even slightly suggest that this subreddit is turning into that redpill shit then. Its a couple of users, thats it. These users typically go over to tall and spurt similar shit. Is it becoming redpill over there? Oh no? Even with the same users doing it? Huh... You also go on to say The people here are delusional. Be more specific.

        "You dont even know the guy in question dude" DING DING DING. There we have it, the hypocrisy. Can say the same for you, with your I havent experienced it therefore it doesnt exist bullshit. You havent experienced what people here have, so dont say height discrimination doesnt exist. Also, that r/tall I mentioned, he asked a girl out whos 3 inches taller than himself. Is it alright if I assume that he's got to be quite confident to do that, in a world where alot of people feel weird about a shorter guy/taller girl relationship?

        [–]ShortyShuvnstuff5'4" [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        So which is it? Being confident or being a few inches taller than women? Are you able to form an argument without contradicting yourself?

        [–]right001 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        All those studies showing how people think the taller a person is, the smarter, stronger and more of a leader they are, are false. OP said so.

        [–]yayeey15 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        confidence confidence confidence.

        As a short man you are perceived as inferior and unconfident before you even get the chance to open your mouth.

        Some women do dig short guys

        if by "some" you mean less than 1% ?

        Most women don't care about height as long as you're a couple inches taller.

        thats actually most women, ergo you are fucked if you are shorter than 50-70% of most girls or more. Yes you can get a GF as a short man, yes you can get pussy, but its going to be way more challenging.

        [–]SugarStud [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        OP, you made a noble effort, but let me be the first person to tell you that there is a serious "crabs in a bucket" mentality on this sub.

        [–]Tall_for_a_Jockey5'2" | 157.5 cm | Happily married. If I can do it, so can you! [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        The idea that you can attract a partner through your behavior is the sine qua non of redpill thought. Um, it's in your argument against redpill philosophy. What I am trying to say is that your anti-redpill screed doesn't understand or respect that philosophy. Your complaint is about the arguments that people use to explain why they can't find a mate. The redpill has exactly one answer for this dilemma: it's because of you and what you are doing. You may not agree with their prescriptions for how you should behave (although "confidence" and "personality" are, more likely than not, two things that "alphas" have in spades).
        What you are trying to say is, "I do not like the number of posts here that focus on men complaining about women." Guess what? I agree with you. But I think a better way to solve this problem would be to create content here that doesn't even mention the issue, instead of your poke-poke-poke "let me explain the way the world works" approach. Sorry if that comes across as abrasive. I get tired of people who have little compassion for other people, as you seem not to have, whether they agree with what they chose to believe or not.
        Edit: OK, I read some of your responses, and now I get it. This is exactly what you wanted. I would call you a "troll," but I'm an even bigger troll, for reasons that I don't quite understand myself. Instead, I want to borrow this image from that wonderful webforum 4Chan: this should be the standard reponse to post like yours in the future.

        [–]SugarStud 0ポイント1ポイント  (19子コメント)

        As a 6'8 guy, I wish I could just give all you shorties a hug and tell you to stop flaming each other over something that doesn't matter. Everything is a trade off, short, tall, whatever. I've got knee problems and will probably die at a younger age. I cannot squat much weight at all, have pretty much no ass, and tend to slouch uncomfortably in classroom chairs because I'm sitting on my bony ass. It's time to give a little bit less of a fuck, people, seriously.

        [–]ShortyShuvnstuff5'4" 3ポイント4ポイント  (18子コメント)

        Why are you here lecturing short people about getting over their problems on the basis that you've gotten over your tall problems when there is a sub 3 times the size of this one complaining about problems that you have personally gotten over?

        [–]SugarStud -2ポイント-1ポイント  (17子コメント)

        Why? Because this drama came up on the front page. Anyway, short or tall, we are all men (most of us, anyway) and should learn to play the hands we are dealt in life. I'm sure if you want to be unhappy, you will find a way to explain why being short is the worst possible thing in the world, never mind people who are paralyzed, or who are blind, or who have serious medical conditions. Doesn't it seem silly to worry about how x amount of CEOs are over six foot? How many people here are going to go on to be CEOs? Or how people complain that women won't get with them because they are under 5'8. Maybe get off of tinder and seek out someone with whom you can share an actual connection. Its just a bunch of whining and circle jerking.

        [–]ShortyShuvnstuff5'4" 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

        So if we must all, tall or short, play the hands we are dealt and stop complaining, then why do you choose only to lecture the short people about it? There are several times more tall people complaining about shower heads than there are short people complaining about being socially, economically, and romantically disadvantaged. Why do you feel that the latter group is more deserving of criticism than the former?

        [–]SugarStud 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Well bud, because the conversation we are having right here is based in the context of the SHORT subreddit. That is why I am "only lecturing the short people" as you say.

        [–]ShortyShuvnstuff5'4" 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        But you could easily lecture the tall subreddit too. Why not? You seem to have a grasp on not caring about tall problems. Why no advice for tall people?

        [–]SugarStud 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        not worth my time. if you want to be upset, that's all you.

        [–]SugarStud 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Shower heads are also ridiculous thing to be upset about, but generally it seems that less tall people are as bitter.

        [–]ShortyShuvnstuff5'4" 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        but generally it seems that less tall people are as bitter.

        But the tall subreddit is three times larger?

        [–]SugarStud 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        um, why do you even know this? you seem pretty bitter m8.

        [–]ghiscari_4'| the dwarf formerly known as hullmarch 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

        Man, it's so, so easy to be dismissive of a discrimination you benefit from, isn't it?

        [–]SugarStud [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

        compared to REAL cases of discrimination ( racism, sexism) I have a hard time taking your complaint seriously just because you wear pants with a shorter inseam.

        [–]ghiscari_4'| the dwarf formerly known as hullmarch [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

        Why do people keep bringing up sexism and racism? No-one in this thread is saying they are on a par. You're not disputing any argument by saying they are worse - of course they are. but something being worse does not make it okay whatsoever. People are still being payed less and assumed to be less competent due to a completely irrational prejudice. That is a real discrimination. It's not a competition.

        [–]SugarStud [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

        well, imo it seems like a comparatively weird thing to be so upset about when you have people who are discriminated against over such things as sex and race. I drop into this sub and the amount of hatemail in my inbox for just sharing my opinion (try to be positive) is honestly disgusting.

        [–]ghiscari_4'| the dwarf formerly known as hullmarch [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

        It's weird to be upset about being paid less for your height? How is that weird?

        [–]SugarStud [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        I feel like that doesn't happen.

        [–]ghiscari_4'| the dwarf formerly known as hullmarch [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        You feel it doesn't? Well there have been studies which have proven it does.

        [–]Diogenes-- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Redpill isn't what most people make it out to be. Like any group it has some bad apples, but cherrypicking the worst quotes and judging the whole movement based on that is no different from judging Islam on 9/11, or feminists on their radicals like Valerie Solanas.

        The gist of redpill is "Hey, you. Fatass with the Cheeto-stained Pokemon shirt. Wanna get laid? Put down the video games, pick up a barbell, dress better, don't lick womens' feet." It's the basic advice dads used to give out, before feminism won no-fault divorce, resulting in a divorce rate over 50% with 80% of divorces being filed for by the woman, thus depriving kids of their dad.

        [–]IAMGODDESSOFCATSAMA5'6" | 167.64 cm 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        News flash dude: There are things between being a TERPer and being a complete dick who denies that anything could be wrong with the world.

        [–]MyPusyTasteLikePepsi -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

        It's just about a hopeless battle you're fighting in here. I agree with you 100%. Those who are against your post have been just immersing themselves in this negative cognition and let it hijack their day to day engagements with the outside world. I think and hope is true that most of these people eventually grow exhausted from constantly forcing themselves to compare their height to every single aspect of their day and eventually move on, regaining control of their lives. How ever I won't disagree that those who are around 5'5" and below endure a substantial increase in discrimination comparatively so to those who's are 5'6" to 5'11". Apologies for the poor grammar

        [–]bleak-outlook5'8" | 172.72 cm[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        Those who are against your post have been just immersing themselves in this negative cognition and let it hijack their day to day engagements with the outside world

        Hit the nail right on the fucking head dude. Even I find it hard to not get depressed after reading the shit here. I can't imagine being a part of this environment for months and soaking up all the negative emotions.

        [–]parallux [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        How you feel is not the truth.

        Ignorance is strength! War is peace! Freedom is slavery!

        [–]Qalb2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I agree with OP. This sub is just ridiculous. I mean, I am not tall (5.7), of medium frame, living in a country where people tend to be quite tall, and I don't remember being treated differently even once. Oh, and I also have a severe limp due to trauma. That hasn't affected to any extent my ability to gain respect. Are American people really that superficial ? I mean, it seems that the objectification of humans by each other has reached unprecedented peak there. I have always been taught that being a male is about mental toughness and fortitude, being able to keep calm, to take charge of the situation. This is what's valued in males in my circles. And here? I see a bunch of grown up men with little boy's mindset, whining that they are not pretty enough. Aww...just gross.

        [–]TinyKing875 Foot. [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        I tend to agree. I mean there is some issues being a short person, but it's not the end of the world. I'm 5"0', 29 years old, 152 lbs, and married to a 5"6' woman.

        Believe me when I say I get made fun of for being short. I have short people make fun of me for my height. But it's not the end all be all. I know my situation doesn't apply to everyone's, that's not how life works. Just don't get discouraged.

        [–]parallux [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        You are obese too, but that's taboo and unhealthy. Being short is just a magic inconvenience for everyone else.