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Why /r/The_Donald is making reddit worse, and why it needs to go. (self.self)

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Disclaimer - The following is my view and my view only, and does not represent any of the other default moderators.

Hi all. I am a default mod, posting under an alt, because sadly that's what reddit has become.

I'm here to talk about The_Donald (or T_D as I might refer to it in the post) and why it's making reddit worse, and especially so for us default mods.

Before I begin, let me be clear - I am all for free speech. I think that it is one of the basic human rights. However, free speech does not mean hate speech is okay, which is what I will be getting into.

Also, I don't think that what spez did is good. I think it's very unprofessional and the type of thing I would expect from a middle schooler. However, that is not the point of this post.

T_D used to be a quiet subreddit supporting Donald Trump. I was fine with it then. After all, this is reddit, and candidate subreddits are good. However, over the past few months, it has grown into a hateful, sexist, racist subreddit that frequently reaches /r/all.

I am going to provide reasons how it is making life difficult for default moderators (note the disclaimer).

/r/politics this election has been very controversial. Shouts of "CTR HAS INFILTRATED THE MOD TEAM" have been going around since the early days of the election. However, it's gotten way worse then baseless accusations.

/r/politics mods have been sent death threats, gifs of dead animals, and have been the targets of brigades that originate on T_D. And the T_D mods don't really care. Here is an example of T_D mods not caring about harassment. Here is another one. The thread in question is here, where T_D is literally making fun of harassment and death threats towards a moderators dog (and calling them "a little bitch"). On any other subreddit, the comments would be removed and the people behind them would be banned. Not on T_D, where the mods don't really care about any of it. T_D members even go so far as to attack the /r/politics mod in question over at /r/RandomActsOfChristmas (see here and here). During the leaks, different default mods were mentioned in T_D by users calling them horrible things (like this). Did the T_D mods care? Nope. They left those comments (and many more like them) up. For example, look here.

Yes, some of you T_D people might say that I'm a special little snowflake and that I need to get off reddit because this is all it took for my fee fees to get hurt. Consider this - other DM's have been sent horrendous stuff for the past year, and you guys didn't care. But when a few comments were changed by /u/spez because you guys were calling him a pedophile (with no evidence) you guys flipped out and acted like it was the next Watergate.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post. I am making this post because I believe /r/The_Donald is making this website worse for moderators and users, and I believe it needs to be banned.

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[–]I_Am_Batgirl 227ポイント228ポイント  (27子コメント)

Harassment spilling over to other subs, and to users in their life outside of reddit, is completely unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated.

[–]TaraTLC 63ポイント64ポイント  (3子コメント)

Isn't this exactly why /r/fatpeoplehate was banned? How is T_D any better or worse?

[–]scuczu 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

If we change the name to brownpeoplehate maybe they'll be banned

[–]thirdegree 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not that that would actually change anything.

[–]coco-o 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

The failure of trying to appear 'neutral', where they try so hard to look neutral that they let them get away with all sorts of unacceptable shit. Ironically its the exact same situation with Trump and the media.

[–]Spacyy 15ポイント16ポイント  (15子コメント)

Thing is that's a user related issue. T_D is not responsible for every asshole on reddit

[–]I_Am_Batgirl 41ポイント42ポイント  (9子コメント)

While 99% of the time I fully agree, it's not a handful of users here and there it's literally hundreds and thousands of them we're dealing with daily. Regardless of what sub they're coming from it's an indicator that something is wrong when they all seem to be coming from the same place.

[–]allisondojean 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

No but reddit has no obligation to host a forum for them to actively encourage and revel in that sort of behavior either.

[–]Niet_de_AIVD 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

T_D is not responsible for every asshole on reddit

But they are responsible for the majority of them.

[–]zedoktar -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Same logic could have been applied to fatpeoplehate and it still got banned for attacking people and spreading hate.

[–]Spacyy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The finger was on the trigger for a long time but they waited to have personal attacks in the sidebar of the sub to pull it. The mods fucked up.

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      [–]Hans_Klopeks_Beard 138ポイント139ポイント  (26子コメント)

      I'm not a fan of T_D. I don't use it and I have it filtered from my front page. I have no dog in this hunt. That being said, the behavior of the default mods revealed in that private chat was revolting. The lot of you should be shit canned.

      [–]ziel 66ポイント67ポイント  (13子コメント)

      To add to that: nobody is forcing you to be a mod, you could just stop powertripping and get on with your life if you really cared that much.

      [–]Thizzlebot 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah it's really weird mods act like they are some savior of humanity. I'm a mod on one small subreddit and if i don't feel like modding shit I won't it's not the end of the world this is a fucking dumb internet forum not real life lol

      [–]Trumpirium 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

      The arrogance of these "powermods" is disgusting. People like OP and davidwhatever think they own the entire fucking site and steer the discussion on the defaults they control to reflect their own narrow opinions. Their comments on this thread demonstrate just how little regard they have for everyone outside their little elite club.

      There's nothing they hate more than a popular subreddit they don't control, and they'll go to any length to stifle and shut them down as they've repeatedly demonstrated over the years. Whatever amount of "harassment" that they've faced, we've received a hundred times more. At least we don't pretend to be impartial.

      [–]MeghanAM -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

      An important difference is that the mod teams of other subreddits enforce not letting their users gather to harass you. Not that I have a lot of love lost for FatPeopleHate, but they got banned for way less, and fatlogic pretty much got read the riot act. I would be shocked to see fatlogic ever allowing any personal harassment and being allowed to stay, no matter how mild.

      [–]Trumpirium 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

      The_donald enforces whatever is brought to their attention that runs afoul of the rules.

      You know that exactly as well as I do.

      [–]MeghanAM -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Check out the comment thread in the OP (sorry, it's hard to refer back on mobile). I was told essentially "that's not necessarily about you" or something like that (it is objectively, obviously about me).

      My opinion is that you guys need to stamp that shit out, because I know and agree that you have a whole great community that doesn't follow people around (and off...) the site harassing them. By letting these conversations take place on TD, though, you made a home for some particularly vile crazies.

      Also, this isn't your fault, but you guys (current mods) inherited a toxic ass subculture that was fanned by prior mods. Viking literally distinguished a comment saying we were paid by CTR, without evidence.

      [–]Werner__Herzog 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      the behavior of the default mods revealed in that private chat was revolting

      I'm curious, what exactly did you find bad? I'm willing to admit that things probably look different from the outside than they look on the inside, but I'd like to understand.

      [–]Arenten 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Can I get a link to this "chat"? Been hearing about it and I'm curious. PM it to me too tho incase it gets removed

      [–]Skuwee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      What private chat? Am I out of the loop?

      [–]user_82650 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      and I have it filtered from my front page

      That's the thing. The default reddit website does NOT allow filtering from /r/all without gold. It's a very needed feature that reddit has refused to implement for years.

      [–]Spacyy 67ポイント68ポイント  (4子コメント)

      when a few comments were changed by /u/spez [+9] because you guys were calling him a pedophile (with no evidence) you guys flipped out and acted like it was the next Watergate.

      The implication of what he has done goes further than hurt feelings.

      T_D wasn't the only one to flip. r/technology and r/KotakuInAction reached the front page too.

      [–]seb_fisher 45ポイント46ポイント  (2子コメント)

      r/politics is much more cancerous IMO

      And I say this as someone banned from TD.

      Banning a subreddit is a really bad idea, there are tons of cancerous subs that post weird and controversial things.

      You can moderate and ban users who brigade or send death threats but shutting down a subreddit is just insanity. Like smashing open a bee hive cause you don't like the bees.

      [–]Broodd 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This right here. Even putting the moral implications aside, it's simply not practical to come out and ban T_D. Whatever issues you have with T_D will be made a million times worse if you ban the subreddit. This isn't something like /r/coontown. This is a huge subreddit with over 300,000 people on it.

      Anyone who actually violates the Reddit TOS should be banned. Regardless of what subreddit they claim to be from.

      [–]english06 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I like open discussion. Genuinely: how is /r/politics worse?

      [–]echolog 65ポイント66ポイント  (9子コメント)

      I'm a bit curious about this part:

      However, over the past few months, it has grown into a hateful, sexist, racist subreddit that frequently reaches /r/all.

      I see T_D on the front page all the time, but usually it is just them bragging about something or calling somebody out. I don't think I have ever seen any of that hateful/sexist/racist content at the top. I'm sure it exists somewhere in there, but not at the top. I agree that a lot of users over there are really bad, but that has to be a vocal minority, right? Banning the subreddit isn't going to solve anything except scattering these users to another sub where they will be even more vocal than before.

      As I see it, the subreddit itself isn't the problem. It's a subset of users. Don't ban the community, ban the ones causing the problem.

      [–]Graphitetshirt 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

      I see T_D on the front page all the time, but usually it is just them bragging about something or calling somebody out. I don't think I have ever seen any of that hateful/sexist/racist content at the top.

      Check the comments of those threads

      As I see it, the subreddit itself isn't the problem. It's a subset of users. Don't ban the community, ban the ones causing the problem.

      Unfortunately that subset is the main core group of their users including their mods

      [–]TheyGoLow_WeGoLie 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Unfortunately that subset is the main core group of their users including their mods

      Proof? Besides "well they voted for a racist so they are racist"

      [–]facetheglue 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Check the comments of those threads

      It's usually just shitposting and memes from what I've read.

      [–]PM_ME_UR_SMARTS 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's racist, sexist, etc because it's in support of Trump, and we all know Trump is racist, sexist, etc /s

      I love r/the_donald. I only see love and support there for and from minorities, women, etc. I would hate to see it go because of a couple bad fruit, and I don't think it would be good either. Where are all the 300k+ high energy users going to go when it's deleted?

      [–]thirdegree -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's a subset of users.

      This is true, in that a set is a subset of itself.

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        [–]N8theGr8 45ポイント46ポイント  (13子コメント)

        This isn't an issue of free speech. I don't think you'll find anyone who objects solely to the existence of a subreddit for any particular candidate.

        The issue is that when The_Donald goes into other subreddits, they're not sending their best. They're sending death threats, doxxing, and harassment.

        They're sending discourse on par with a drunken frat bro:

        WOOOOOOO!

        The admins have tip toed around the issue to the point of tacit support.

        I stood on the sidelines and watched while they launched an attack against r/news. I stood by and watched while they launched multiple attacks against r/politics.

        /r/the_donald had plenty of chances to be taken seriously by the rest of us, but I am not convinced that they want anything but to be purely disruptive, and they seem to have been allowed nearly free reign at every turn.

        Now I'll admit that the admins have reached out to T_D on multiple occasions, but were clearly met with derision by T_D mods and users.

        To anyone who thinks this is about free speech, please keep in mind that no one is calling to shut down r/republicans or r/4chan or any of the other myriad subs that we may disagree with at a political level. We're calling to shut down a toxic subreddit that routinely attacks, harasses, brigades, and drags down the quality of this website for everyone else.

        There isn't a toilet in the middle of the town hall council room, and there shouldn't be one in the middle of Reddit.

        [–]Spacyy 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The issue is that when The_Donald goes into other subreddits, they're not sending their best. They're sending death threats, doxxing, and harassment.

        Reddit has sitewide rules. Anyone with that kind of behavior should be banned.

        We're calling to shut down a toxic subreddit that routinely attacks, harasses, brigades, and drags down the quality of this website for everyone else.

        fph was banned at the second there was any proof of that. T_D mods are nearing the line but , as far as i know , didn't cross it.

        [–]igetbooored 34ポイント35ポイント  (8子コメント)

        Has the T_D sub done anything that SRS doesn't do daily? They link posts, have discussions, and if individual users decide to act on their own that isn't the subs doing. That's the banner SRS has been using so they don't get pinged with brigading I thought?

        [–]Werner__Herzog -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

        The issue is that when The_Donald goes into other subreddits, they're not sending their best. They're sending death threats, doxxing, and harassment.

        ...and some, I assume, are good people. (damn, someone in this thread already made this joke, I always come up too late with these)

        [–]Niet_de_AIVD -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        On the topic of quoting politicians

        Mr /u/spez, tear down /r/the_donald!

        [–]Steel_Wool_Sponge 45ポイント46ポイント  (18子コメント)

        CTR brigading /r/politics was not a baseless accusation; it's a well-documented fact that they bragged about themselves. The fact that we knew it was happening on a macro level but had no way to filter it on a micro level was a furious problem that was 100% caused by them.

        [–]ubuntufrog -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        That's true, but that isn't really the point here. Yes, T_D was right about CTR on r/politics. Yes, they've been right about a few other things, too. No, they aren't right about even the majority of the conspiracy theories they spew. There is zero evidence that anyone on the r/politics mod team is a shill, and there is also zero evidence that they have been actively trying to assist shills. I don't want to make blanket statements, but there are a lot of people on T_D who are just on there because it's so anti-PC, and because they spend a lot of time bashing other people. The mods clearly (at the very least) don't discourage this, even in the case of default mods being harassed without evidence, and then they get pissed off when it becomes clear how many default mods don't want T_D to continue it's existence?

        [–]Alame 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Let's be real here.

        The control of /r/politics by CTR was not subtle. There were numerous occasions of copy-pasted comments by multiple users with formulaic usernames, botched lines of script showing up in posts, a marked and blatant swing of opinion immediately following their budget increase, and immediate swings back whenever Clinton's campaign took a hit and CTR disappeared for a while to formulate their response.

        The continued insistance that CTR wasn't controlling /r/politics by the mods of that subreddit means they are either complicit or completely and utterly incompetent. Either way those mods destroyed the credibility of their subreddit.

        [–]finalaccountdown 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

        the last few months isnt really accurate, they have dominated the front page for..half a year? more?

        anyway, everything's fair game under the original set of rules. that's how I like my games played. if they make it to the front then they make it to the front.

        [–]mullonym 73ポイント74ポイント  (15子コメント)

        Im with you 100%. I find come to reddit for entertainment and morning headlines, not for bigotry and harassment.

        As a side note, i almost never recommend this site to non users because if you dont know how to avoid the trash this site is awful.

        [–]its4-20somewhere 42ポイント43ポイント  (12子コメント)

        Hope you're not using r/politics for headlines. Well actually, they have great attention-grabbing headlines, they're usually all just bullshit.

        [–]PM_ME_YOUR__TOES_ 35ポイント36ポイント  (8子コメント)

        I can't stand that sub. It might as well be called r/wehatetrump or r/liberals.

        I don't have anything against liberals, but a sub about politics should not only present one side of politics.

        [–]mullonym 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

        It would probably be different if the republican demographic of reddit were less interested in trolling and more interested in engaging in meaningful discussion. Not that users of r/politics are great or anything but theyre not posting pepe memes about their beliefs or allowing blatantly racist, bigoted or harassing statements to flourish...

        [–]Trumpirium 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It would help even more if the mods of that subreddit (many of whom are in this comment thread) didn't make every effort to suppress different opinions and remove posts they didn't like. the_donald doesn't pretend to be impartial but politics certainly does.

        [–]thr0wawaynsfw 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You're right, but by definition /r/politics should be neutral and about political discussion while T_D is for whatever they want.

        [–]sg7791 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        A balanced representation in a single subreddit is untenable. I'm not saying brigading didn't happen in /r/politics, but brigading isn't necessary for a majority opinion to wash everything else out. So maybe /r/politics should be called /r/liberal and if you want a balanced representation, https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative+Liberal/

        [–]ElectricBlumpkin -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I don't know what you're expecting. Almost no one in the younger, internet-savvy generation is conservative. You make it sound like a single-party dictatorship, but really the right wing is represented in exactly the correct proportion.

        [–]TheyGoLow_WeGoLie 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        37% isn't almost no one, it's close to 9 million people. 0% conservative posts in /politics is far from exactly the correct proportion. People who think elderly folks are the only conservatives are the people who were surprised by the outcome of this election.

        [–]BeowulfChauffeur 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        While people "shouldn't" use reddit this way, it seems that the majority of users downvote content they disagree with. Assuming reddit's userbase is anywhere near proportional to the population, that means that conservative content simply can't get enough upvotes to be visible. That's not a problem with r/politics like everyone likes to claim, that's a problem with reddit's voting system and how people use it.

        [–]piper06w 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I went there recently to see if I could find info on the presidential medal of freedom ceremony. Nope all anti trump huffpo articles.

        [–]mullonym 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I said headlines not articles, i read the news for that.

        Example, today i learned fidel died. Or is that just Clinton shill liberal propaganda?..

        [–]XfceisBae 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Headlines arent the best to go by... Its all clickbait

        [–]its4-20somewhere 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Well if you read anything written by CNN then yeah just Clinton-drones.

        [–]EinWindir 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        The problem is T_D has made it impossible for "vets" who understand how the site works to avoid the harassment.

        [–]mullonym 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        For sure. I mean Im not an original redditer but Ive been here for 10 years maybe. Less and less every year.

        [–]MagicSkullBus 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

        I'm neutral when it comes to politics and I agree T_D is over the top and crosses many boundaries, but why doesn't anyone address how /r/politics was a default sub that doesn't allow any conservative opinions? Does that sound fair to you? This is partly why T_D was so aggressive from it's beginnings, by censoring them for so long. I think we should've had half conservative mods and half liberal mods on /r/politics. These mods and reddit admins are partially responsible for creating the monster known as The_Donald.

        [–]ttstte 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I only make annoyingly controversial comments and I've never been banned from politics

        [–]XfceisBae 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I understand why you dont like td, but td is donald supporters safe space if you will. You post anything pro trump outside of the subreddits. Doom downvoted rascist sexist etc. We cant post news in politics that favour trump because its gets downvoted.

        Also i dont understand the spilling of td? We were redditors before td and jave been here for years.....

        [–]TheyGoLow_WeGoLie -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I agree with you 100%. Liberals on reddit act like td members are not just regular redditors. We are we just have a different opinion..

        [–]Trumpshaker 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Hey. r/The_Donald mod here.

        I located the original modmail and OP is leaving out a lot.

        Immediately after this user messaged our modmail, the first reply was from a newer r/The_Donald mod. It said,

        "Imagine that. You contact us about someone harassing you and we react by banning them. Now, can you stop plotting to destroy our subreddit because you disagree with us?"

        So immediately we banned the person in the screenshot provided.

        Some other mods replied (I think OP already included these responses in the screenshot) then ...

        A senior mod later replied,

        "Let's start this over. I'm just now seeing your message, (OP user name removed). Please give me a moment to read through your screen shot. The rest of this conversation will be between you and me."

        and another senior mod replied as well,

        "(OP user name removed),

        I truly am sorry that you are going through something so terrible. Believe me when I say that we, as a team, absolutely do no tolerate such harassment. We are on the receiving end of more than enough of it to know that even if it is just words from a lonely, sad individual - it can still cause a lot of stress. Because we have zero tolerance for this, we banned the user in question.

        Despite what you seem to believe - we make it a point to remove any content directly naming anyone who is not a public figure. Do we get all of it? No, and I think you can understand that capturing all of that is an impossible task. We do our best, and we do truly want to keep the peace and make sure there are no agitators (from either side) attacking people. As of this time, the only suggestion seeming to come from "the other side of the aisle," is that our sub gets shut down. We aren't going anywhere, so if you are willing to present us with some requests or feedback on how we can make this a happier situation for everyone, we are always open to speaking with you respectfully.

        This message is from both myself and (other senior the_donald mod - name removed) so if you would like to talk about this respectfully and help us figure out what it is we can do to show we are taking steps, please send either of us a PM. Otherwise, I hope you enjoy your Thanksgiving! :)"

        I can provide screenshots of the entire exchange with names removed if needed and admins can verify that what I am saying is true.

        [–]MeghanAM 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That pleasant mod at the end ultimately denied my request (which was for removal of the comment linked in the OP). I do definitely agree that mod was pleasant and kind, but that thread being left up caused me significant problems. Which, whatever in a way, I can't make you remove it - the reason I modmailed you guys in the first place is because more than one of you publicly said I was essentially making it up. Delightful Thanksgiving I had.

        [–]WarOfTheFanboys 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

        As always, The_Donald continues to be target of of endless harassment here on Reddit. It's a shame we can't use a website without constant, unending bullying. Reddit needs to ensure that users can feel SAFE on their platform.

        [–]wabeka 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        There's an entire subreddit dedicated to harassing 'The_Donald' for fuck's sakes. I wasn't on either side of this election, but the people complaining about this subreddit for the specified reasons are completely delusional.

        [–]Qu1nlan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I like how the other mods were so forcefully impolite that the top mod had to step into the modmail chain and shut them up.

        [–]leland73 19ポイント20ポイント  (12子コメント)

        "Shouts of "CTR HAS INFILTRATED THE MOD TEAM" have been going around since the early days of the election. However, it's gotten way worse then baseless accusations" -except in the leaked Slack chats a mod claimed to miss his CTR checks.

        The issue that he changed comments is significantly greater than feelings being hurt. He changed a legal document. He potentially altered the outcome of an investigation into Brian Pagliano's management of HRC's email deletions.

        He broke reddit Terms of Service. When someone that is charged with ultimately enforcing the rules can violate the rules at will and without any consequences, the integrity of the entire system is called into question.

        I think that moderators clear discrimination against a particular sub via altering the algorithm to mange what makes it to r/all is making the website worse for moderators. Far be it from me to make my voice the voice of all other users, but i know 300K+ that want to see T_D around.

        [–]MeghanAM 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

        That "claimed to miss his CTR checks" thing was completely a joke, and there wasn't a person in the conversation who didn't know that. Moderation teams have been being accused (primarily by TD and former SFP members) of being CTR for months. It's a running joke in the mod chat.

        [–]HollowFangs 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        >still trying to act like Correct The Record is a vast right wing conspiracy

        Sick damage control lmao

        [–]MeghanAM 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        No, Correct The Record obviously, probably exists. What's ridiculous is saying that every Clinton supporter, and every mod of a sub that leans left (which, because of the demographics of Reddit, is many subs), is CTR paid. That's what made it a joke.

        [–]orochi 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

        -except in the leaked Slack chats a mod claimed to miss his CTR checks.

        Wow, CTR did a great job of infiltrating reddit, eh? Good ol CTR infiltrating /r/jokes, /r/sports, /r/newsoftheweird, /r/newsofthestupid, /r/amibeingdetained (Wait, isn't that a pro-police sub? I thought clinton hated police!)

        The fact you take that as anything but some low-level shitposting says a lot about your desire to throw away common sense to confirm your preconceived notions

        [–]ThinkBEFOREUPost 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Where did the list of subreddits you posted come from? Is that user a mod for them, I'm legitimately confused.

        [–]orochi 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        yes. /u/mannoslimmins is the mod he was referring to. Looking at that mod list, not exactly a list of subs that could remotely influence an election

        [–]Werner__Herzog -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

        He potentially altered the outcome of an investigation into Brian Pagliano's management of HRC's email deletions.

        I can guess where you're going with this, but please elaborate.

        Btw, while some find it hilarious, I think most people aren't fans of what spez did.

        I think that moderators clear discrimination against a particular sub via altering the algorithm to mange what makes it to r/all is making the website worse for moderators. Far be it from me to make my voice the voice of all other users, but i know 300K+ that want to see T_D around.

        (You mean admins?) The change didn't just have an effect on the subreddit and wasn't done just because of that one subreddit. Many subreddits have dominated r/all (r/fatpeoplehate, r/punchablefaces, r/SandersForPresident, r/circlejerk and that one against Ellen Pao) and users as well as admins have always taken issue with that. When this happens r/all isn't r/all anymore, it's just that one particular subreddit. If you are interested in seeing more from one subreddit you got to r/subreddit. Of course, there is the possibility of filtering out subreddit from the r/all listing. But that's not really a choice everybody has. T_D also didn't disappear from r/all, it's just not as dominating anymore.

        The issue that he changed comments is significantly greater than feelings being hurt.

        And how does harassing other users resolve that issue?

        He changed a legal document. He potentially altered the outcome of an investigation into Brian Pagliano's management of HRC's email deletions.

        Hmm, if legalities come into play, there are other ways to determine what was actually said. Him changing comments, doesn't mean that there aren't logs on the actions he took and/or archives of those comments.

        [–]gizmo1024 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Of course, there is the possibility of filtering out subreddit from the r/all listing. But that's not really a choice everybody has.

        Why not?

        [–]Werner__Herzog 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Not everyone can afford to buy reddit gold. Not everyone uses third party tools on their browser, and not everyone (read about 50% of reddit users) even uses the desktop site, which is the place most third party tools exist for. I may not be up to date, but as far as I know, there's no RES for the reddit mobile app.

        [–]9___9 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I have 2 main issues with T_D. First, most of the content that comes out of there is negative, meaning it's either calling everyone they disagree with "chucks" or gloating about something. Second, T_D is a toxic safe space where respectfully asking someone to explain their viewpoint results in a ban. The result is a widely popular subreddit that dominates r/all with "shitposts" and you can't even have a discussion about issues that are important to conservatives because that would violate their safe space. T_D has every right to exist in my opinion, its just unfortunate one of the most popular subreddits is just a conservative SRS-type safe space.

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          [–]ZPTs 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The quality of reddit comments usually dips in the summer. I attribute it to kids being out of school. After this past summer it didn't get better.

          [–]Meg_Shark 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

          And some users on T_D, I assume, are good people...

          Douche canoes are ruining it for the users that are trying to discuss and promote Donald Trump and maybe even be critical of some of his policies and behaviours. They are being drowned out by unacceptable behaviours and it's too bad the mods there don't seem inclined to protect those users.

          [–]Jom3es12 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          All the shitposts are annoying.

          Example post.

          HIGH ENERGY

          3k upvotes.

          Comments:

          69% upvoted, CTR IS BACK AT IT AGAIN. CAN'T STUMP THE TRUMP.

          I guess there's a few good posts. Somewhere....

            -under 18 dtrump supporter

          [–]thr0wawaynsfw 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You're walking into a candy store expecting to buy toothpaste.

          [–]MeghanAM -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I agree, there is a big great community there as well as the small, extremely shitty sub-community. The mods (each generation of them, since there's been massive turnover) should have dealt with that festering part of their community forever ago.

          [–]KoncernedCitizen 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I've tried to participate there on occasion to try and temper some of the crazed discussions but quickly found out that's futile. That sub has no interest in truth, evidence or rational discussion. It's an echo chamber where hateful people amplify each others' malace.

          I don't argue that any of the individuals on that sub have a right to their opinions, nor would I lobby for their civil rights to be curtailed.

          However, Reddit is a private system that has no obligation to promote hate groups, racism, misogyny and intolerance. Unfortunately this is what they're doing by allowing this subreddit to fester and infect its once-vibrant community.

          [–]wabeka 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You've got that completely backwards.

          [–]Mrgonefor20years 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          So someone could false flag and get a whole r/ banned and you'd be ok with this?

          [–]igetbooored 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

          "Before we begin- let me be clear. I am all for free speech..."

          Then goes on to list reasons why a large group of people should have their ability to freely communicate taken away.

          Maybe part of the reason that sub gets so rustled and stirs shit up so much is because, similar to real life, they see others making plans to "deal with them" without even having a representative from their group to voice their side?

          They're still people, even if you don't like how they communicate.

          [–]Qu1nlan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          "Free speech" ends where "harassment and hate speech" begins. I'm all for the rights of people to freely communicate up until the point they insist they're going to doxx me and kill my dog. Which T_D has been doing for several months now.

          [–]igetbooored 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I have a hard time blending the actions of individuals making threats or doxxing with the sub as a whole. Those incidents must be isolated or else the sub would have been shut down by now it is getting constant attention from site employees if we believe the hype.

          [–]ttstte 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          A very close friend of mine was radicalized by white nationalists within the last year. She went from liberal feminist to hateful racist. Literally as bad as you can get, I can't repeat the kind of shit she started saying in every conversation. She is a donald redditor and ideals line up exactly with that sub. They don't have a vision for America, they only have hate.

          [–]polarim 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          the other DM's are shitty moderators anyways who can't accept another viewpoint other than their own and need a safespace, t_d is the one place they can't control and they hate it because it conflicts with their whiny-baby beliefs. reading the slack log, mods chat and what spez did, yeah they're all horrible and don't like us because we're different. t_d was created because they bullied trump supporters and tried to make them conform, strange how people return fire after dealing with their bullshit for so long. you dont want us but lets allow all the pedophile subs and illegal subs, yeah thats fun.

          [–]LegibleHarp 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Couldn't agree more. T_D has been making the experience of Reddit decline for me and I'm sure for others. There's no need to be harmful towards others.

          [–]andyjeff76 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You lost me when you claimed hate speech is not free speech. Of course it is - it's just speech that you hate.

          [–]thesayshuh 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Y'all need to get outside more often. There's more to life than subreddits.

          [–]Graphitetshirt 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

          Not to mention the sitewide rules violations of using bots to repost, upvote their shitty memes and downvote anything their safe space can't handle. Or encouraging brigading of other subs and even other sites. Or doxxing people and releasing/linking personal information of reporters who dare to point out what a piece of shit their cult leader is.

          Honestly, they're just full-time trolls who wouldn't have even gotten interested in the election if FPH and Coontown hadn't been banned.

          [–]igetbooored 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

          I find it interesting that you called the Donald sub a safe space yet this entire post is a call to have them removed because they don't fit into the larger safe space that's been built into reddit. With the amount of attention that sub has gotten I can't believe that foul play hasn't been uncovered if there had been any.

          By foul play I mean brigading, doxxing, that sort of thing. An individual doing something against the rules doesn't give the go ahead to ban an entire group.

          [–]Graphitetshirt -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Reddit itself isn't a safe space. Some subs only want to discuss some subjects, others allow open discussion. T_D doesn't allow opposing opinions, fine - a lot of political candidates' subs don't. But the difference is T_D deplorables seek out those opposing opinions in other subs and harass users there. They even encourage other deplorables to follow them to other subs to harass.

          If I'm not allowed to say anything bad about you in your backyard, you don't get to follow me to my backyard and our neighbors' backyards and start shit. And then run back to your safe space where everyone will blanket you in angsty memespeak.

          It's cowardice. Either allow for opposing opinions in your sub or get over it when people post those opinions in other subs.

          [–]igetbooored 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Individual users going to other subs and starting shit isn't t_d's responsibility. Users will be users. Bad users will be bad users. Moderators do not have the power to change that.

          How that sub chooses to moderate their content shouldn't have any effect on you? If you don't like how they mod don't use their sub? Isn't that what people say when the regular grumbling about default subs modding comes up? If people posting dumb memes gets to you I don't know what to say that's day one on the internet stuff.

          [–]Graphitetshirt -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Individual users going to other subs and starting shit isn't t_d's responsibility. Moderators do not have the power to change that.

          It absolutely is, especially when there are threads actively encouraging users to brigade other subs. Following users from sub to sub is a site violation for obvious reasons.

          If people posting dumb memes gets to you I don't know what to say that's day one on the internet stuff.

          Doesn't bother me in the slightest, I have T_Dumbass blocked. But if you think it's not a problem that these losers are following people from sub to sub, sending death threats and generally being aggressively shitty people, then you're naive.

          [–]igetbooored 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Aggressive people exist. People who say dumb things that they'll never follow up, like death threats, also exist.

          Are you incapable of ignoring that behavior? Trying to kick it off of reddit won't make it go away.

          [–]Graphitetshirt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Saying "death threats exist" doesn't make them ok. Free speech doesn't mean consequence-free. Death threats should have repercussions and you should be ashamed of yourself for tolerating them. Pathetic.

          [–]tiny-timmy 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Honestly, all your examples aren't even threats. Also, why do you think mod criticism should be banned? They think you're shit, so they call you out. Just because it happens to you does not mean it should be banned. It probably happens to their mods and users at a much more extreme rate considering there is paid trolls attacking them. From your post all it seems is that you are actually just mad that you got called bad names and you want that to stop, but maybe T_D enjoys talking like that. I know this is a private website, but you shouldnt start behaving like an oligarchy and stuffing out any dissent - free speech is a wonderful thing and is the reason you have power in the first place.

          [–]Qu1nlan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Free speech is absolutely a wonderful thing - and nobody should be beyond criticism. Not mods, not admins, nobody. Nobody is asking for mods or admins to stop being criticized. We'd just like that criticism to come without harassment and death threats.

          [–]Aerik 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

          T_D used to be a quiet subreddit supporting Donald Trump.

          T_D used to be a quiet subreddit

          are you high? it's always been a haven for harassing douchelords.

          [–]MeghanAM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It wasn't always, honestly. Back when they were first getting off the ground, the mods had a pretty good relationship with politics (and me specifically - I did community outreach stuff). They wanted to get a rally going and needed help with promotion and stuff, and it wasn't until they got big that they stopped giving a shit about preventing harassment etc.

          [–]HengistPod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Reddit Content Policy Do not threaten, harass, or bully

          'We do not tolerate the harassment of people on our site, nor do we tolerate communities dedicated to fostering harassing behavior.

          Harassment on Reddit is defined as systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation, or fear for their safety or the safety of those around them.

          Being annoying, vote brigading, or participating in a heated argument is not harassment, but following an individual or group of users, online or off, to the point where they no longer feel that it's safe to post online or are in fear of their real life safety is.'

          This is what T_D users do under the guise of free speech while claiming political bias, making it almost impossible to ban the sub without creating an almighty stink. If users are breaking the rules, they should be individually I.P banned. I don't see how the head mod of T_D can call someone a pedophile and still be around. I don't agree with editing comments, but focusing on that is deflected from the root problem

          [–]MegalaErga 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Honestly, if Reddit could let is filter r/all, it would solve the issue for me.

          I hate seeing their post fill the top post on r/all too. So much that I've even considered looking for a Reddit alternative.

          [–]xERR404x 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I agree that it would be nice if default Reddit let us do it. However, I will point out that Reddit Enhancement Suite does have that functionality, just in case you didn't know about it.

          [–]creesch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Filtering is an option with gold.

          [–]vinzago 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I have become too embarrassed to recommend Reddit to friends or my college students because it is quickly becoming the cultural cesspool that people have been accusing it of being for a long time, and T_D is square in the middle of that rot. It's jailbait and FPH all over again.

          [–]scy1192 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          wish there were some more neutral ground to discuss politics though, every single politics sub is anti Trump just due to the demographics of the site. Where are those of us who aren't making death threats supposed to go?

          [–]installgentoo69 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If the world went the way I wanted it to you guys would IP ban every account subbed to the_donald. I dont give a shit about and in fact support what spez did, fucking with scumbags will always make me laugh they deserve it

          [–]CozyMoses -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Been reading the_donald pretty much daily, it's a scary place. DOXing and harassment is common and the echo chamber is on par with a North Korean think tank. It feeds into the Alex Jones "Sandy Hook was a False Flag Operation by Obama to Take Your Guns" conspiracy bull shit. At the same time banning the subreddit would be like unleashing a horde of hornets in your house. I really don't see a solution :/

          [–]nmgoh2 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          My biggest problem with the sub is that they continue to cry out about censorship when they are actively banning and deleting anyone who questions the latest ed narrative.

          Its one thing to ban the trolls and anti-trump brigades, but I've seen even simple and genuine policy questions shot down and ban hammered, making their sub one of the loudest echo chambers.

          [–]TheyGoLow_WeGoLie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          TD users complain about censorship in areas that claim to be unbiased. TD never claimed to be unbiased.

          [–]Archangellelilstumpz 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Mind linking to specific instances of this "hateful, sexist, racist" content you supposedly see all the time? It shouldn't be too hard considering you say it frequently hits the front page.

          We're waiting. It'd be a shame if you lied in order to push your own agenda.

          [–]Shadowsnipe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          We'll be waiting a while. I wonder what new words they'll come up with eventually since those have already lost their meaning. They use "sexist" and "racist" more to describe something or someone they don't like or disagree with rather than their true meaning which should normally be a serious accusation and rightly so in today's society. Instead we have liberals and CNN calling half the country racists and bigots and we have young, stupid kids breaking windows and attacking random people in the streets thinking it's OK since they're fighting bad people. Meanwhile all the trump supporters that know they're not racist voted for him anyway which is why he won the presidency while all the sheep and tards that don't get it, that were spouting baseless accusations on millions and millions of people were left scratching their heads, wondering what the hell happened. I'm sure you could find a few deplorable people in a group of millions but one things for sure, it'll be a fraction of a percent of the masses of liberals slinging vile, cruel accusations left and right, slandering millions of people, lumping them all up into one generalization and condemning them as racists, uneducated, rednecks, stupid, sexists, xenophobic, intolerant, ect, physically attacking them in the streets and overall dismissing them as bad people just for disagreeing with them. I'll concede that the common view of a liberal to a Republican is of a young, foolish, or blind sheepish but good hearted one, but the one of a Republican from a liberal view is on a whole different level entirely. Goes to show which side really is the intolerant one. There's is of a bad, immoral person at his core. Dehumanization. A tactic that makes it easier to hate the other side. The left has been using it for decades to gain and keep control of the media and schools. You don't have to win an argument against a bad person, they should be chastised for even challenging you. At some point enough is enough and unfortunately some people some decide to fight fire with more fire, sometimes in the wrong way and sometimes going overboard and I don't agree with it but the vast majority, 99.9%, aren't sociopaths and the KKK waving swastikas at black people. /r/The_Donald has an appropriate name, you know the fanboyism that you're gonna get there, if there should be any change to Reddit, it should be to /r/Politics and it should be changed to /r/Liberal or /r/Clinton so that you know what you're getting instead of misleading people thinking that they're on a bipartisan sub with a name like that when they'll literally delete stuff that they don't agree with.

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            [–]Profanum16 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Get a fucking life loser. Filter it out of /r/all, problem solved. Stop being a cuck.

            [–]MegalaErga 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            See what we mean?

            [–]Profanum16 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Someone on the internet was mean WAHHHHHHH meanwhile Obama is drone bombing little kids in the middle east and Isis are burning people alive for being Christians. Get the fuck over it princess.

            [–]creesch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yeah this most certainly proves your point... (what point exactly?)

            [–]mightybeans 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Closing down one of the most active sub reddits on the website is not a good idea.

            [–]Jimbo733 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I love that reddit is a simple free-speech forum for us, largely moderated by its users. What I don't love is the reddit hivemind, where we collectively hate or love certain ideas or people just because it's the popular opinion. I dislike r/thedonald just as much as the next guy, but I think it's a beautiful thing that it can exist on reddit when the hivemind is anti-Trump. With that said, the subreddit should be treated like all other subreddits, facing removal if it violates subreddit rules or promotes misbehavior to the point of disrupting the peace. I think the first course of action should be to allow their mods to show some leadership by stickying a "stop being hateful or we are gonna get banned" post, and seeing if that helps.

            [–]osweetcarolina 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Only four percent of Reddit users visit r/all so it's not that big of a deal.

            [–]creesch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Source for the four percent claim? Considering the impact reaching /r/all has on a thread it seems highly unlikely. Though considering reddit has millions of users 4% is still a very big deal.

            [–]AntiHasbaraUnit 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

            you are pretty fucking gutless to post this with an alt

            [–]PM-ME-BERNIE-SANDERS[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Not wanting to get doxxed isn't "gutless"

            [–]AntiHasbaraUnit 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

            yeah, its fucking gutless, own what you say. if its that important, stand by it, defend it with who you are, every fiber of your being. you are FUCKING GUTLESS

            [–]PM-ME-BERNIE-SANDERS[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Lol, okay. If it's between getting doxxed and not being doxxed I'll choose not being doxxed everyday.

            [–]AntiHasbaraUnit 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            then you are saying you dont have enough guts to stand by what you say, the very fucking essence of being gutless.

            [–]PM-ME-BERNIE-SANDERS[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Nope. Not at all. I am saying that T_D doxs regularly and I would rather not be.

            [–]TruthfulOtter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The way reddit handled the entire election was atrocious. Especially the censorship and pro hillary stuff in subs that are supposed to be neutral. Admins and mods abusing their powers to paint a picture.

            I filter T_D, if you have an issue with it, you can filter it too. What they do is no different than the shit clinton supporters do to everyone else. I'd think that's pretty evident by watching them act like animals during these protests, and the shit they say online. I'm also fine with banning one if the other is banned too, I'm tired of this shit.

            [–]Doctor_Crunchwrap 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Nice try, u/spez

            [–]yelnats25 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            CTR invading /r/politics is a baseless claim? In what world?

            [–]interlabialridge 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Banning it won't solve the issue. Being a more politically neutral site would but I seriously doubt that would ever happen since reddit is very much an extreme-left site.

            It still saddens me that people still believe that only the left is good and everything right is bad. People don't work that way. You have to be a moron to believe that someone's political leanings make them a good or bad person, you have to be sick to act on those beliefs.

            [–]uxoriouswidow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Can you name a single popular post in T_D which you'd call racist? I'm not a fan of the fact that they were calling spez a pedo, it was indeed uncalled for. But throwing terms like "racist" and "sexist" because it's easy, without any thought to accuracy or decency, is one of the reasons why many retaliate in kind with such harsh terms.

            [–]iSunMonkey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            They should certainly be removed from /r/all.

            I would also appreciate a filter built into Reddit, so I don't have to use RES, and so I can visit the site on my phone without using some shitty app.

            Also there should be an algorithm that prevents BRAND NEW subreddits from hitting the front page. Like when T_D users started /r/hillarymeltdown–I keep having to update my god damned settings and it's a bit annoying.

            [–]bigpauly1969 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'd settle for a way to block it from coming up in my /r/all feed.

            [–]Trash_Golem 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It's a toxic subreddit to be sure. What gets me though is that they've convinced themselves that Reddit's supposed to be some great platform for free speech and discourse, and they get so worked up over things like Spez's edit, closing pizzagate, posts being deleted, etc... But they won't leave.

            Anybody with a brain should have recognized this site isn't that platform, and hasn't been for a long time. Reddit has been culling controversial subreddits for a long, long time. There's a literal fucking wikipedia article on it. Even I was pissed off about a few of the subreddits they've banned over the last few years. The list is enormous. However, I also believe that they should either cull ALL the bullshit subs full of disruptive morons like the_donald and SRS, or restore them all, because when it comes to politics, you can't really make surgical extractions - it's always going to be messy.

            [–]Niferwee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I have the Donald subreddit filtered out and tbh I rarely see any posts related to them. I only see people complaining about them in other subreddits and the latest spez drama.

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