Hannah Rutherford doxxes 11-year-old boy over internet comments. Thoughts?

Yogs_Zach · 17時間前

Unlocked for now. Keep it civil. We'll be watching this thread like hawks.

plznote · 16時間前

I initially thought this was another joke about a certain Lebanese child.

thewestwindmoves · 17時間前

Guess it's time for the annual member-of-the-Yogscast-embarrasses-the-brand-on-Twitter event, then.

I don't get what the point is. Someone said something shitty. By all means, pass that on to the relevant people. But publicly announcing it and thereby, intentionally or not, encouraging dogpiling shits on the whole point of being the better person, does it not?

It also seems especially ironic after Hannah just today retweeted a petition against the UK Investigatory Powers Bill due to the threat it poses to privacy.

plazmablu · 16時間前

This... This isn't going to be pretty.

shrike348 · 17時間前

She behaves pretty poorly on twitter it has to be said

The_Derpening · 15時間前

I'm not pleased about this, I don't think it's how somebody with as much reach as Hannah should act. What the kid said was shitty, for sure. But Hannah said it herself, he's "like 9". I dunno about Hannah or anyone else, but when I was "like 9," I wasn't being recognized for my ability to logically process my actions, their effects on others, and the consequences for them. I don't think I did anything deserving having my personal information spread to rabid internet trolls, and I don't think the kid did either. If this kid had killed somebody and laughed about it on twitter I'd be singing a different tune, but he said something mean and classless.

Also, Hannah's jimmies got rustled because the kid acted intolerant, and her response was to act even more intolerant. I'm not saying she should have just sat by and done nothing, though. I think a better way to both address the hurtful behavior and be an ally to trans people would be to give the kid the knowledge he is obviously lacking and model the respect he clearly doesn't know. The idea I'm working with is written on reddit's reddiquette page. "Remember the human". You don't know what that kid is living through. Maybe he's speaking hatefully because hate is what's modeled to him at home. Maybe he's abused and shit rolls downhill, so he takes it out on people online. Responding with hate is only gonna push him deeper into the ways he's learning somewhere.

JoelMahon · 14時間前

Since when have we "put kids in juvi" for saying evil shit to famous internet personalities?

Like the kid said something fucked up, and it'd probably be good for his parents to know about it but not through doxxing, and sure, report it to the police, that's fair enough, if legally there's something to be done they'll sort it out if not then that's that, we don't let vigilantes run the show for a reason.

_ThisIsAmyx_ · 15時間前

Of course what the kid did was shitty, but come on, Hannah, you're a role model to many people. This was not the example to set.

dogatemyfeather · 16時間前

While I agree that what the kid said is not on in anyway and his actions should have consequences, saying that he should be in juvie and publicly showing is info is wrong. I can get behind contacting his parents and to a degree even contacting the school could be a good step as they could do like a cyber bullying week and and use this a a teaching tool, but in no way is publishing his information to the public a good thing. I can get behind Hannah wanting to defend her friend and as I said before contacting the parents is a pretty good move but she crossed a line in my eyes especially over somthing relativlely minor.

LeapLemmings · 16時間前

I normally try to keep out of YogDrama as I have better things to do then care about the actions of people I don't know but this is different. This is undeniably disgusting attitude. Sure, the kid has done wrong and deserves punishment, but Hannah had gone to great length here to make sure he suffers. I'm shocked at this obvious child bullying.

PolyGanon · 14時間前

On one hand, the kid shouldn't get off scot-free with that kind of language and attitude, and he should face the appropriate repercussions for it. But on the other, Hannah didn't use appropriate amounts of discretion and the rippling repercussions the kid may now face are disproportionate to his crime.

It's one thing to face justice from teachers or police - these are (usually) trustworthy positions of authority and responsibility who won't overstep the mark. Its another thing though to face justice from your peer group, where this trust isn't implicit because some people in that group may very well go overboard. A person's own peer group is in fact the most likely source of danger they'll encounter.

In this case discretion is the better part of valour, so you just alert the appropriate authorities: report the tweet to Twitter, and contact the school regarding the tweet. It would then be the schools discretion as to the course of action, such as police and parental involvement.

sipsgooch · 17時間前

I mean, this is fucked it could have been handled privately

But wtf does doxxing mean

DaWrongOpinion · 17時間前

No words other than, disheartened. I'm a long time fan of Hannah (or was), although haven't watched any of her stuff properly after 2013. I was slightly wary of her (more the things she said than her as a person) after the Reddit post highlighting the wage gap comment. This isn't like Simons and TBs argument, this is on a whole other level. Almost unreal coming from the Yogscast, plain and simple in front of out eyes unlike most of the other drama, Sjin, ect.

edit: upon reflection, although she's heavily affiliated with the Yogs, she's an inividual content creator and this is on her. Didn't think that came across clearly in my comment.

DR_PHALLUS · 17時間前

She has a habit of being pretty horrible to people on twitter herself for pretty crappy reasons and normally resorts to doxxing every time.

Sightshade · 14時間前

...What the shit, Hannah?

As someone struggling with gender identity, I empathize totally with Laura here; but doxxing a little kid for being stupid is NOT cool.

Hannah, you've really... changed... over this past year, and I'm not sure I like the new you.

Stoodinaturd · 15時間前

If you look at the big picture:

Being rude to someone because they are trans is wrong.

Doxxing someone is wrong.

They are both VERY wrong things to do.

Saying that they are acceptable is WRONG.

Remember people, what YOU do on the internet affects other people. I'm repulsed by both of them to be honest.

/end

electric_red · 13時間前

Telling his parents I kind of agree with. Or rather, don't think is so bad. But his school has nothing to do with it.

Saying it ruined his life is a bit far though.

bnacc · 16時間前

Hannah hasn't been very mature on Twitter. There's always some little drama going on about sexism and sometimes racism. The tweet that made me finally unfollow her was some complaint that an ad put a blue background behind a man and a pink background behind a woman. Like, come on now, how is that even a big deal. (The funny thing is, she saw the woman one first and made an angry tweet about it, but the tweet with about the man one seemed like just an afterthought. If she's all for equality then at least be consistent).

Honestly, Hannah used to be cool. I wonder what happened.

Stekkmen · 13時間前

the appropriate reaction, IMO, is just to call him a wanker

McGilv · 8時間前

Cons - Kids going to get into a lot of shit with school. Hannah came across as immature.

Pros - Next Deck Rippers/Bored Meeting should be fun.

serjonsnow · 15時間前

That's really messed up. People should use their social media influence for good, not for things like this.

Hotsalt · 15時間前

I hope someone has a word with her. Stuff like this shouldnt be handled on a twitter feed. This is bad PR for her and for the Yogscast. Creating unnecessary drama for everyone involed, kids can be stupid sometimes. Dont get triggerd over those things on the internet. The internet is not your personal savespace.

LordGaryBarlow · 15時間前

Not going to lie, kid said some disgusting things...but do we know the whole picture.

He could have a social disorder, come from a broken home...or he could just be a little cunt!

My problem lies with that Hannah was the adult in this situation...the adult with a pretty bloody large fan base. She should've taken the high road. Would've had the same result, without risking a youths mental state.

Liam40000 · 13時間前

Kind of chilling to anyone who has seen the last episode of the most recent series of Black Mirror - the fact is that doxxes are an absolutely disgusting and frightening form of bullying, and it's only made worse over the internet, where the mob mentality in prevalent.

In my opinion, this kind of behavior puts Hannah alongside people like Keemstar (although you could argue he is doing it for different reasons)

FirstDimensionFilms · 16時間前

Only Yogscast member I refuse to watch. She has a twisted world view and I don't find her that entertaining.

Cornfondler · 3時間前

Yet another example of why trans people don't want / never asked for others to do more than support them and treat them equally. I'm so fed up with this mentality that you need to be viciously vigilant in 'helping' and 'protecting' trans people.

Yes we have it somewhat rough, yes suicide rates are HUGE among trans people, and yes it's easy to let your anger towards prejudice get the better of you, BUT that doesn't mean you go on a fucking crusade to slay the Alt-Right dragons and defend the honour of the vulnerable transwoman!

If you really wanna help, volunteer for a suicide helpline such as Samaritans, or donate to a relevant LGBT or Trans specific charity such as The Albert Kennedy Trust or even just talk to someone you know is trans and not in a good place. If a trans person, just like everyone else, needs help they'll probably ask for it. No need to get up on a pedestal.

Tominati · 17時間前

Doxxing a kid to find out his personal info to ruin his life because he said a bit of hate crime aimed at one of her friends? There are two options to this, there is the peace option where you block the child and just leave it (Unless that has been tried and the child is continuously making new accounts multiple times) or the conflict option which is what Hannah has done where you try to take revenge on the child in any means possible even if it means finding out their private info to try and ruin the kids life and also bringing it out into the public for everyone to see. It's such a shame that no one really believes in peace anymore especially the child that caused all this in the first place but do we have to go to such lengths to treat the child like a criminal for saying something on the internet (Even though what he might have said could be completely out of order) Surely there must have been a better option to all of this. I'm not entirely too fussed about the whole thing but in my opinion I just feel like this could have been sorted out more peacefully and I wish more people would consider the peaceful option to when it comes to things like this.

Icieus · 12時間前

Although this kid said some thoroughly unpleasant things which I certainly do not condone, I do feel as though Hannahs actions were incredibly immature for an adult, a simple blocking of his account would have sufficed, and if that hadn't worked then sending a DM or email to his school and parents would have been an appropriate and responsible course of action, as opposed to doxxing a child.

As an aside to the first ammendment bit, in my opinion people should have the right to voice their opinions regardless of how ignorant or deplorable they may be, and censorshop to cater to others sensibilities is something that should be avoided at all costs if we wish to avoid 1984-esque thought policing.

plazmablu · 16時間前

Tweets seem to be gone now, having had a cursory look at Hannah's twitter. I think?

CalebAurion · 10時間前

Well this is kinda fucked up in all honesty. I mean yeah what the little twat said was unacceptable, but the reaction is beyond unacceptable and is completely out of proportion. If you want to dig into someone who says or does something wrong then fine, if you find out they're a kid and want to send a screenshot to their mom and let her punish him, fine but going this far is wrong plain and simple. That all having been said I'm not angry with Hannah, I am disappointed but not angry. We all make mistakes, we all see red when someone we care about is attacked. I don't think Hannah should face any professional repercussions beyond the damage that has already been done to her reputation. She would gain a great deal of respect from me and likely many others if she were to apologize for her actions though. Not the anger behind her actions, that is perfectly legitimate, but the actions themselves.

Hulk829 · 11時間前

There's one thing on defending a friend, but then there's another when the friend obviously has thicker skin than you, and is explicitly saying not to do something.

Spivsy · 5時間前

I thibk the telling everyone about it is the thing she shouldn't have done here, instead of just e-mailing the school about it. That's what I did when there was a kid taking upskirt shots of his classmates on deviantart, silently reporting it, got an email saying they'd look into it and the account got deactivated a week later. Publicly posting it on twitter to make yourself look like a hero just seems like its being done for entirely the wrong reasons

quickhakker · 48分前

from what i can gather from the pictures is that the kid which tweeted laura in the first place had all information on public display so that anyone could have gone through the same procesess that hannah did so really he doxxed himself by some strange technicality, also this should be a lesson to people, dont make it easy for people to learn who you are unless they already know who you are and 2 dont be a dick and tell people to kill themselves (its a crime anyway cause if the police find someone commited suicide and then find out that you messaged them telling them to kill yourself they will make the link and arrest you

RealStickDude · 9時間前

"your first amendment is appalling and needs rewriting." What happens when her Twitter tantrums are considered hate speech? I wonder what she'll think about our first amendment then?

Alfred_Hitchdick · 12時間前

Absolutely disgusting. I just lost all my respect for her. Sure the kid said bad things but her posting his info and contacting the cops and school is ridiculous and could possibly ruin a kid's life over something that was probably a date or a dumb mistake.

Solareclipsed · 14時間前

While the kid is being very shitty towards Laura, and deserve to be punished and have his school and parents told what he has done, I still don't think it's something that should be discussed publicly on Twitter. On the other hand I wouldn't exactly call it doxxing given that he used his own personal Twitter profile to send those messages, he must surely realise he won't stay anonymous.

Battlebiker · 16時間前

My immediate thoughts are why you felt the need to title this with her full name as if we had no idea who she was and why you would post this publically without having seen the original tweets or situation in which the kid said he would continue to abuse the way Twitter poorly handles banning and the creation of new accounts in order to keep harassing Laura and others further.

I understand how severe Hannah's actions could be but I think it is also important to know and show both sides of the story before making this a public issue/thread.

Skingyflingy23 · 4時間前

"Thoughts?"

I could really not give a fuck. Sure it could've been handled slightly better, but if the kid couldn't handle the consequences, then he shouldn't have said what he said.

Berym · 10時間前

I'm not seeing any doxxing? All information in Hannah's posts are public stuff that the teenager put on the internet himself.

People need to stop misusing terms. It happens a lot.

Someone looking me up, for example, can find some information like previous employment and where I study. Mentioning that information isn't doxxing.

Finding my home address and releasing it? THAT is doxxing.

Timeline15 · 15時間前

So.... is the kid 11 or 15? Because the thread title says one, and Hannah says the other. And it's quite a big difference IMO.

4Darco · 11時間前

The brigade in this thread is pretty crazy.

TInniss · 6時間前

Personally, I think she is free to do as she wants on HER twitter, and if that means calling out the hate speech and bullshit of another Twitter user - with a public profile - then that's her prerogative. Is it harsh? Yes, but that kind of disgusting hate-speech needs to be called out, and consequences have to be felt. A small slap on the wrist isn't likely to solve the issue - too many people feel they can get away with being dicks online, that isn't how the world works.

ticktockalock · 10時間前

Xirion · 24分前

IMO i agree with most of what happened, maybe it should have been handled better (a little less publicly) but the internet ia a dangerous place, he could have pissed off the wrong person and seriously regretted it. The parents/guardians should be made aware, maybe the school? But this isn't going to ruin his life, he'll just hopefully learn a valuable life lesson, that there are concequeces for his actions.

GamingCenterCX · 11分前

After this incident I feel the Yogscast should drop her from content creation for them. Keep her on is only going to hurt their reputation further.

La_Truite · 11時間前

When someone condemn the bullying of a friend and then process to use the same method to defend said friend it's baffling.

When that someone is (suppose to be) a well-adjusted grown up, has a fairly large following and doesn't realize how wrong that was, I have no words to say how puzzled I am.

Funny thing is, Hannah used to be the voice of wisdom a year or so ago. But since she started working from home, she found a 20 feet tall horse and though "Yep, let's hop on it".

McGilv · 7時間前

So I went to Hannah's twitter to check this all out and I see that because of this she's received tweets like "It would be a shame if you got raped". WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK? Like honestly why would you tweet a woman that. I originally criticised Hannah for how she handled the situation with this teenager but if your dealing with shit like that on twitter I can understand. I mean I get mad when I see Russian porn bots filling my mentions never mind guys hiding behind cartoon avatars tweeting you this bile

ineedthehatrack · 5時間前

Do yourself a favour and just assume that any comment over 10 points is criticising Hannah and everything below that is of support.

Nosta15 · 2時間前

People love drama don't they? I can't help but feel like this has been blown out of proportion and has just become an attack on Hannah. It doesn't help when the title of the thread is "Hannah Rutherford doxxes 11-year-old boy over internet comments. Thoughts?" it's like we've already established she's in the wrong and we're grabbing our pitchforks before even opening the thread and looking into the details.

What the Kid's original tweet said that started all this was disgusting, I can't honestly understand why anyone is defending him saying "he's just a kid". He's old enough that he should know better than that. Hate speech is a serious crime and something the autorities should be made aware of.

In terms of actually doxxing, it seems to me like there was no clear intent to release any of the Kid's details. Lets remember he was the one who brought this attention on to himself when he decided to tell someone to die and calling them subhuman trash because they are transgender. We can also see from the screenshots that Hannah deleted any tweets which let people find out information about the Kid.

I don't see any wrongdoing on what Hannah has done here, I would have done the same.

torkona · 13時間前

Wowzers. I feel bad for Hannah sticking up for her friend. But I would have thought by now she would be trained and understanding on how to act on social media. Sure, others have done this sort of thing before on Twitter etc, contacting the school/work etc, but they have done it privately. Definitely the wrong way to go about it 100% and her effort could lead to that kids own new mental health issues. But let's also support Hannah here aswell. She should undertake her own counselling on social media use and/or similar. I would be interested to see Yogs response if there is one..

Orphois · 5時間前

actions (and saying something to someone is an action) should have consequences, that kid will hopefully learn something. the internet is not a free for all, just because some aspects are anonymous

Petrichor_Rains · 3時間前

Ok. I'm going to say that she actually did the right thing by reporting him to his parents and school. And from what I see on twitter she didn't post any info (only the school name) like his address or stuff like that. And the info she found was from public things the kid had created himself.

I agree that it's a bit Shitty to discuss it openly on twitter. But there are a lot of teens and children that need to learn that the Internet isn't some magical place where they can say anything they want to. And they need to learn that there are consequences. So reporting to school and family is the right thing to do when a minor is being abusive on the Internet. And this won't ruin his life. He needs to learn a lesson and that his words hurts others. It's the same as bullying on the school yard.

pyrodorobo · 12時間前

We've all made mistakes growing up.

Some worse than others. This kid definitely did something bad. But he didn't physically harm anyone, and before anyone replies to that, no I don't think that's the only reason there should be punishment for this sort of thing. But he's 12, according to Hannah's tweet. When I was 12 I didn't even know much about transgendered people. I probably knew they existed and honestly I didn't have any opinions about anything sexuality/gender identity related or I guess, even, the overarching discussion about human rights. I was 12. I was worried about school, pokemon, and girls. I remember maybe around that age I had been exposed enough to know about homosexuality. I knew a lot of people in my state/country opposed equal rights for them. I didn't personally know a single gay person, that was open about it. I just saw that a group of people were being oppressed. I thought they deserved to have their unions recognized by my government, the very same one that was founded upon and preached equal freedoms. It wasn't an unpopular opinion by any means, especially now.

But back then, I thought it was a choice. I honestly didn't know better and now I'm appauled at my ignorance, but I educated myself. A kid that's 12 years old has a lot to learn. Even one that shares all of your beliefs still, objectionably has a lot to learn. We absolutely should see this type of hatred and mentality and nip it in the bud early, which I hope and believe was Hannah's original intent. But doxxing someone isn't the way. If we can't treat people with understanding and attempts to teach, how can we possibly expect others to listen to us when we fight for equality for all?

Hobbitbox · 10時間前

Well I was already unsubing anyway...

Oyadama · 12時間前

Not to defend or show correctness towards any side of this but more to shed some light on a misinformation that's been said.

The first amendment is commonly regarded as free speech. A blanket free speech. Truthfully you only have free speech against a government as well as free speech against citizens. The second part of that is stripped away when your first amendment rights infringe on another's rights laid out by the constitution.

Anyone saying things against another in a form of bullying or harassment is not exercising their first amendment rights. If they say they are, they are attempting to use a person's lack of knowledge against them most times to make someone think it's okay what they're doing.

In the exchange there was no exercising of first amendment rights and instead was someone's either misguided or lack of knowledge, or was someone's blanket 'I can say this, 1st amendment." which does not give any person actual right to say anything they want. Americans do not have unadulterated right to abuse others by speech because of the 1st amendment, believing so would be wrong and dangerous by any person on either end of a conversation.

LancasterNotYork · 9時間前

Oh for gods sake Hannah....

Wellshieeet · 15時間前

Every single person ever in the history of people have said fucked up shit as a kid. Only difference now is that it's on the internet so everyone can see it. He's just being an edgy kid. Why try to fuck him over? I don't get it.

HuskyPupper · 17時間前

Never liked Hannah after her feminist rant about womans pay.

aspenthewolf · 10時間前

Hannah, you're great and all, but you took it a little far.

I totally agree with your approach at first to get in contact with that jerk's parents and the school - hate crime isn't something that should go unpunished and it was good for you to stand up for your friend. I appreciate and respect that.

Publicly putting how and where you got their personal information and who it was and further antagonizing them was taking it too far. You're well within your rights to do so, and all of the information you obtained WAS public, but it's just generally not a cool thing to do.

We all need to be careful about how we treat others online, the things we do and say can have a huge impact on other people's lives - this is not a power that should be treated lightly, especially by somebody with as large of a following as you or any other public figure. You can do better than this, Hannah. We're here to correct what is wrong and make everything right and just in the world, not ruin lives, even if they made a mistake... They're still human just like the rest of us.

Super-Finch · 13時間前

Oh God! Why does there always have to be drama!?

TheRealGuy01 · 17時間前

Thoughts?

I only have one ''thought'' right now:

Is it that time of the year again?

This happens every few months, the pattern continues - iiiit's...

Drama time ladies and gentlemen! Don't you just love it! sigh

I'm staying well away from this, as I try to do with all the drama that gets posted to this subreddit. It only ends up dividing the fanbase, and so close to December? We can probably do without it tbh.

FirebugRM · 1時間前

I'm all for some justice against assholes. I had my fair share of them when i was in school. But it was a bit creepy for Hannah to find out about this kid and send stuff to his school - But she also did it all publicly? I mean you can use the excuse "he put it all online for us to see" but that's no excuse.

Eagleras · 1時間前

I'm in no way condoning what the kid said, it was pretty nasty stuff, however I do think its important to remember that he is, at the end of the day, a kid.

We've all done shit as children that we're not proud of and would never do now. Hannah in my opinion has acted far more childishly than the kid and its pretty disgusting.

Not too impressed.

lesuje · 32分前

This should never have been handled over twitter / publicly.

Hannah - or better yet, Laura Kate - should have contacted the kid's parents on the phone, and let them deal with it. It's after all THEIR responsability to raise their kid and teach him how to behave to other people.

dragon_fiesta · 13分前

You don't dox kids. She could've contacted the kids parents and got him grounded but now every nutter can find the kid

OurRobOrRoss · 7時間前

Thoughts, I don't feel the least bit sorry for this obnoxious kid and think it's good he got called out. I don't get what the fuzz is about.

crazycrawfish · 13時間前

Come on guys were better than this.

WhitePawn00 · 5時間前

Link to hannah's comments because she's getting downvoted

JordyLakiereArt · 8時間前

Horrible behavior on both ends.

pheromonekvlt · 3時間前

Major over-reaction. He's just a dumb child. Educate him, report him if necessary, but put all that info out there? Why?

ineedthehatrack · 53分前

This was first posted on KotakuInAction which is essentially a place where people feel comfortable to shit on others for things so it makes sense that the initial OP and this OP have created titles worded in such a way to make her out to be the villain before you even get started.

If the guy is 15 then there's no good reason why he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions. The internet hasn't been a place where actions don't have any consequences for a long time. There are laws in place for certain behaviours and they should be taken seriously and people ought to know that before they abuse and plan to harass someone for being different.

If they are 15 and from Australia they will be eligible for their license next year at 16. If you believe someone is mentally capable to judge right and wrong enough to drive a 1 ton vehicle around the streets then he should know better than to abuse someone online and not expect something to happen. He, as a teenager decided that he disagreed with a trans persons decision so much that he felt sending them abusive messages was an appropriate action to vent his feelings. This isn't a child and people need to stop using that word because it makes Hannah out to be this villainous witch who doxxed and ruined a child's life. 15. A minor in the eyes of the law but a child he is not.

Hannah's actions were strong but overall necessary and will teach this person an important lesson in both how he behaves online and the importance of online privacy. While this wasn't her intention as she was defending a friend from abuse she showed him that going around online being an asshole does bring consequences and when you've opened your life up to millions of strangers you're not going to like what happens because of it.

Hannah brought these actions to the attention of his parents and his school. People question why she involved the school and I feel it's important for them to know how one of their pupils behaves online as it brings damage to their reputation (similarly how people are concerned this brings damage to The Yogscast.) In a world where the internet has an ever increasing presence in the classroom the way they behave is incredibly important as these actions could affect his employment opportunities in the future. You need to learn.

He learned a lesson today and will likely think twice about his actions and his online privacy because of it. There was a way for this to be avoided and that's to not call people cunts online because you disagree with them. Hannah's actions to me were forceful enough to get the message through but not harsh enough to bring the fury of her following down onto him. Of the 200k followers who knows what percentage actually still use twitter to have seen this and based on the comments in here a majority don't use it.

I'm completely fine with this sort of behaviour. There wasn't any direct attack on him and she did the appropriate thing while giving him a taste of how it feels to receive unwanted attention from angered people.

(This thread is clearly against Hannah's actions so I wasn't silly enough to bring my main account in here with a dissenting opinion. You're free to downvote this if it makes you feel better and helps make you look right. I don't mind.)

TL;DR: Hannah's actions were fair and he got an important lesson. He's not a kid and should know better than this. He should think twice before abusing people with lax online privacy.

MulattoWeeb · 14時間前

This thread is a really good reminder that the Yogs primary demographic is teenage boys IMO. I love that everyone immediately thought of the guy as the victim and not the person he harassed.

As for the action itself, its not like she hacked the guy's computer or stalked him IRL, his info was freely available online already. As for everyone saying that this will "Ruin his life", ignoring how much of a victim blaming mentality that is, you do know that the internet isn't some pretend-land where you can do whatever you want with no consequence, right?

OP calls them "internet comments" as if that actually means anything. On a non-anonymous account he openly spewed hate speech at someone. To call that doxxing, is like saying the media doxxed Donald Trump by talking about his tweets. All consequences of what he did are on him, not Hannah. All she did was be the middle man and speak out about what she saw, something that any decent person would do if they saw someone being hurt, especially a friend.

Blaacksheep · 16時間前

Is it doxxing when all the information is publicly available and not hidden? (she just looked at his public facebook profile)

Qtbear · 16時間前

wow....cuz she never did anything wrong when she was 12 right?just wow

enicorn · 4時間前

I think I should defend Hannah here. This person purposefully, and publicly, sent an offensive message to someone because this someone was trans gendered. If you're willing to put your name to something like this then you are also willing for people (for example, your parents and school) to know that you think this way.

For those saying that this boy's life is ruined, chill. His life is not ruined, why on earth would his life be ruined? He's going to learn a lesson: don't be offensive and assume you can get away with it. He's not getting the electric chair, he's not being put in a maximum security prison, even if there were some record of this, it will be wiped away by the time he's old enough to work. At worst he may have to do community service or speak to a therapist but even that will not happen.

It is my belief that this boys freedom of speech is not being interfered with, whether you judge this by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or the first amendment (see Chaplinksy v. New Hampshire).

Addition (26/11/2017 at 11:50): Reviewing twitter's terms of service (scroll do to "if you live outside of the US") and also "The Twitter Rules" we see that the boy did breach these rules, specifically:

Self-harm: You may encounter someone considering suicide or self harm on Twitter. When we receive reports that a person is threatening suicide or self harm, we may take a number of steps to assist them, such as reaching out to that person expressing our concern and the concern of other users on Twitter or providing resources such as contact information for our mental health partners.

One could argue that Hannah breached the rule stating "You may not publish or post other people's private and confidential information", however, I would argue otherwise since she did not actually post any of this, only posted that she had found it.

Considering that Hannah is a public figure you would be right to argue that she might of handled this better, i.e. privately contact the school and/or parents.

lrv94 · 10時間前

For what it's worth, Hannah actually released no personal information of the person in question. All she did was tweet the school of the kid, letting them see the behaviour of one of their students. This is not doxxing! She did not release his full name, or address, or any other identifying information.

Stop using the word doxxing incorrectly. Finding and releasing their home address, or other identifying information is doxing. What Hannah did, is NOT.

This is drama for the sake of drama. The 'kid' should know better at 15 (Not 11, if you'd read through the tweets you put in your imgur album, you would know this) and should be held accountable for their actions. Blogs (Not going to name them, they don't deserve the publicity to be fair) don't help by throwing up half truths without gathering full information.

And yes I know I'm a mod, but let me assure you, these opinions are 100% my own, and have not been influenced.

Let the down votes begin, I guess.

iNorway1 · 16時間前

Typical adult behavior with social media. They often don't know when to stop when communicating.

Just a sad example really. I hope she learns from it.

Edit: And btw, the first amendment is really shit. I support that one.

ladymulti · 14時間前

Hm... IMHO, once he illegally harassed someone, it's their right to find out how to report them. Really, the kid is lucky he didn't get reported to the police, which was Laura's right...and as it was publicly going down on twitter, it is hard to fault them for publicly resolving it on twitter and the later deleting the tweets.

I mean I would be ashamed of Hannah if she had just given his full name, address, and all contact info but she used what was pretty much already available.

My hope on this is maybe the kid has time to learn from this, that the internet is not just a "me space" that you can't just go around calling people "cunts" and opening Go-Fund-Mes in the name of hate and expect to hid behind your screen; that there are people on the other side of the hate that you spew.

That's just my opinion; I'll probably get down-voted for it but eh, whatever.

Dazie_Pants · 2時間前

The kid got what was coming to him

Sven-Ripa · 1時間前

Hannah, stop.

Just, come on. I enjoyed watching her in the past as she seemed a lot more relaxed and laidback. But now, as of late, she's just taking this weird turn where she constantly comments and has to push her opinion around. I mean, of course it's her twitter and she can do whatever she wants, but she must realize this isn't giving her or the Yogscast as a whole, a good look.

I'm just dissapointed and worried over what happened to Hannah? Why'd she suddenly turn so... Angry with the world? She seems to be so full of hate whenever I check her twitter. It's never a positive tweet, it's always accusing/insulting or something inbetween. :(

Zangeon · 13時間前

Shit like this is absolutely inexcusable.

And I can't fucking stand it when people like these predend that they doxx people to "defend a friend." Un-fucking-believable. And I thought Simon was bad at using social media.

yogslomadia · 15時間前

Since we're discussing the boy's behaviour and mine, I'm just gonna leave this here as a reference point, since it somehow seems to have been left out of the actual OP: http://i.imgur.com/mjnOE8f.png (warning: abusive)

This is my friend Laura - a friend who is transgender and has battled with depression and suicide in the past. She always speaks very openly and positively about battling both mental health and social issues around gender. This is a friend who was told by this kid that he would help crowd fund her getting a Nintendo Switch next year and that he was a 'big fan', only for him to find out a day later she was transgender and send her the above tweet. He threatened to come back if she blocked him, and continue on another account.

Also - to clarify, the 'kid' is 15+ and lives in Australia, which has the same hate speech and online harassment laws as the UK - giving the police full rights to investigate the matter if they so chose to. The First Amendment and US law has no grounding here - feel free to discuss it if you so choose, but obviously be aware this does not apply whatsoever to this situation.

In terms of doxxing - I tweeted his school's Twitter account into a direct conversation with him that included the abusive tweets, and pointed out directly to him that his internet profile security was next to non existent - at which point he began to make his profiles private. I never publicly tweeted any of his contact links, and have since deleted any tweets from that conversation with him and Laura that could be construed as doxxing. The only link ever tweeted (and retweeted by me) was by Laura to ask people to report his GoFundMe so that he wouldn't continue to use her name and face to leech money from her community - which he was planning on doing to the tune of $700 if he could! - which was quickly followed by a 'don't harass him'.

Anyone that found this kid was not sent via me - I was recording at that point and not on Twitter - and with entire Internet profiles linked together and without any privacy settings on at all, his GoFundMe clearly showed his identity for anyone to look at. If people did that whilst reporting the page, that's certainly not something I sent them to do.

I sent his school an email with attachments of his tweets so they could address the matter with his parents since their primary focus as a school was cultural diversity and respect, so figured they may have some sort of idea of how to handle this situation properly - I didn't go looking for his parents, and didn't contact them either. His last post on his Facebook was also along the lines of 'ooops got caught out lol see you in a month', so I am somewhat doubtful this is going to have a serious impact on him past a good scolding and no internet for a month.

TL;DR - sticking up for a friend experiencing targeted and aggressive hate speech from a teenage bully, who was also using her name and story to scam money out of her fans. Told his school in an attempt to get him to change his ways before he says it to someone who actually does commit suicide and he ends up going to jail. Or says it to someone's face and gets beaten up.

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