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[–]Yoooooouuuuuuuu 30ポイント31ポイント  (5子コメント)

Great work on this post!!!!

Quick question: what are the main diffs between Kpop and Jpop?

[–]raicicle[S] 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think the k-pop industry is a much more Westernised industry. Japan hasn't really broken out on the global music scene in the same that Korea has via the hallyu phenomenon, i.e. the Korean wave.

Essentially, because of this, k-pop is basically way more Westernised. You only have to look at how most k-pop songs are being written by similar Swedish songwriting camps, or British or American names to see how true this is. Not to mention how pop trends in America like brass hooks come to k-pop like a year later.

On the other hand, j-pop is pretty insular, as is Japanese culture as a whole. Looking at the Japanese charts at the moment, everything is pretty cutesy. Lot more feel-good pop, everything does genuinely sound like anime openings, a bit more like traditional pop songwriting. More guitars and plinky-plonky keyboards. Either that, or there's a lot of really weird electronic production, which I'd put on Yasutaka Nakata's influence (who's been responsible for producing some of Japan's most popular pop acts: Perfume, Kyary Pamyu Pamyu, Capsule, Ami Suzuki). Also who knows why, but lots of novel pop acts like Hatsune Miku or Babymetal, or Ladybaby tend to come out of Japan too.

[–]Marowe 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks so much for this post! I love jpop and kpop and I've always thought r/popheads would like some kpop if introduced to it in the right way.

Just gonna plug jpop artist Namie Amuro here, her music is also more on the western side and she's fantastic. I would compare her to Kylie or Britney. Her music is hard to get a hold of conventionally, though.

youtube channel

Some of my favorite tracks:

[–]raicicle[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, Golden Touch is an absolute banger. What a freaking great song.

[–]dsafdasjkfads 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I love Chinese pop but I wish they'd import Korean instrumentals and songwriting. K-Pop production and polish is just on another level.

[–]Yoooooouuuuuuuu 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow thanks for responding!!!

[–]breadburger 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

SIDEBAR THIS

[–]TK0_R 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also check out /r/kpop! It's IMO the best place to keep up with new releases.

[–]le_sweetie_man 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

dont do this to me I dont want to become one of these people

but I think Im going to

[–]Maridiem 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

Am I the only one who doesn't understand why Kpop is considered a genre? It's just a number of pop subgenres but sung on Korean as far as I can tell. Kinda drives me a bit crazy, as it's very easy to like a specific artist, but not be a "fan of Kpop" in the end!

[–]raicicle[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd overall agree. Musically, the differences between songs are huge (as with the Western pop industry), hence sticking all songs into one subgenre seems silly. I'd be very surprised if someone enjoyed every single song on this list, just because they're stylistically so different. Even I much prefer some songs on this list than others. I think the conflation with all k-pop into one 'genre' is probably down to some specific things:

  • The hallyu phenomenon means that Korean pop is more unified by its national identity. It's very easy to associate all Korean pop with Korea, and by extension, with each other since Korean culture has spread so far, and its pop music advertised so much.
  • Record labels are far more important in the South Korean music industry. While most people would be hard-pressed to name what label an artist is on in Western pop (and even more musical fans probably would best know indie labels like XL or Warp Records), South Korean record labels are far more: record labels, talent agencies, and music production houses all in one. It's lucrative. Labelmates hence share similar aesthetics quite a lot of the time, and similar producers, and the same in-house choreographers.
  • The industry revolves a fair bit around idol culture. K-pop and idol culture are almost inseparable. They're on adverts, they're on billboards, they're in movies and dramas. The music itself could be hugely disparate, but they all associate with a very specific culture.

Even I've probably conflated a lot of acts not traditionally considered k-pop by the standards of the 'k-pop industry', such as Crush or Neon Bunny. It's just become a strange umbrella term, for better or worse!

[–]animeviolence 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Considering K-Pop a genre reflects a Western-centric view of music, imo. There is a definite distinction between the culture that produces Top 40 in the US/UK and the SM Entertainment etc. culture that produces Top 40 in South Korea, but it should definitely be treated as more of a music scene like "punk" or "indie" is.

That being said, this post definitely does a good job of recognizing how diverse K-Pop is.

[–]Maridiem 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post was really the thing that made me realize how diverse Kpop is and how odd it is to call it a genre, haha. I don't spend much time listening to it as I don't know Korean, and am a huge fan of the lyrical content in songs. Losing access to that while listening isn't something I hugely enjoy, so I tend to not pay Kpop much heed.

That said, this post showcased some really cool songs, and there's a few artists here I might have to dive in deeper to, and the level of diversity is impressive.

[–]kaylakoo 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree with this.

Personally I define kpop as music performed specifically by idols. Kids that auditioned and joined entertainment companies and then trained in various performing arts until they debuted as a group/solo act. That would mean most of this list is kpop, but some acts, such as Crush, wouldn't be.

My opinion isn't really mainstream, but we can be grumps about it together.

[–]Maridiem 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a really good definition of it! I recently listened to the Radiolab story about Kpop as an industry that really opened my eyes to how vastly different the way Kpop as music is made as opposed to really the rest of the world, and it surprised me a lot. In the end it really does seem like Kpop as a music grouping is music specifically from the people trained and groomed to be idols, as it's designed to literally be "Kpop". Calling pop music made in Korea or sung in Korean Kpop is almost doing it a disservice, especially is said person is trying to stand out apart from that huge industry.

But ah well, it's still a fascinating section of music to look at, but I'm more than happy to be a bit of a grump about it :p

[–]genteelblackhole 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's weird how blurred the line can be. Zion T, Crush, Dean and the like all get posted to /r/kpop so they're in some weird limbo where they're not idols and not part of the manufactured industry, but they're still considered kind of part of the overall kpop "genre" by some. I'm glad they are though, wouldn't have found their music otherwise.

[–]EvyEarthling 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the very specific criteria it has for its artists unifies them into a genre/sets them apart from other genres. Dance, for instance, is far more important to kpop than it seems to be to other pop genres. Each single has specific choreography that is the only choreography to that song, ever. The group members have very specific roles they fill, like rapper/dancer/vocalist. The oldest member is always the leader.

Musically I think you're right, but there's much more to kpop than the music.

[–][deleted] 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try: Lim Kim - Awoo

Everybody should listen to this

[–]MothershipConnection 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've expressed my love of KPop here multiple times, I have a couple random thoughts about some of the groups here.

  • I LOVE EXID, but for some reason I can't really get into get into Fifth Harmony. I'm convinced this is almost entirely the doing of LE (who is awesome) and the production of Shinsadong Tiger. In fact I'm pretty sure at least half the reason I like KPop at all is cause of Shinsadong Tiger, cause when I ended up digging deeper into things, it turns out he produced EXID and a lot of early 4Minute and T-Ara that I love.

  • It's kind of funny watching BigBang from an American perspective sometimes because G-Dragon and TOP are such good rappers but then they go back to BigBang and are back singing and dancing. It's like if Drake and Kanye were exactly who they are now except they also happened to be in NSYNC where they get to dance it up (I realize TOP is a terrible dancer). BigBang is the only group where I'm convinced these guys would be stars in America if they sang in English though. A lot of the YG stuff in general sounds a bit closer to contemporary American pop to me, possibly cause Teddy Park (who's the top in house producer) grew up in America and YG really started off as a hip hop label.

  • We need the fat dude back in Super Junior. I've actually never gotten too into Super Junior or EXO, but I enjoy their ridiculous dance routines. America needs more 15 person boy band dance troupes. I don't even know how you'd get 15 American dudes to show up to the same dance/band practice.

  • f(x) is my fucking bias and I'm sad that SM has never given them more of an American push. I know they played SXSW and have played a few shows here but I want a tour! Their brand of pop is WEIRD (though 4 Walls is basically Koreans trying to do Kiesza and succeeding) and half their members grew up in America, which could sell them a bit easier to non-KPop indoctrinated audiences.

  • CL actually is getting an American push but sadly I don't think her solo stuff is anywhere as interesting as 2NE1. :( :( :( Minzy :( :( :(

  • There's so much KPop out there it's like an impossible hole to dig out of once you get into it. This post was a really good intro and could double it and still barely scratch the surface.

[–]hanarada 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really like LE. One of the standout aspects (and also Shinsadong) compared to other girl groups.

[–]MothershipConnection 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

EXID's entire existence is one of the most amusing things in pop to me. Alright we have 2 girls who can belt it for hooks, 2 cutesy girls (one bombshell - Hani, and Junghwa for the more youthful crowd), and one girl who looks like your secretary and raps like a fucking badass. Also, all their choreography looks like they're fucking the audience.

Somehow it all works and I want LE to do bad things to me.

[–]letsallpoo 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a fantastic post, thank you so much for this

[–]berober04 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Try: Orange Caramel - Catallena

Hah...

[–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's the point of K-Pop when everything I know is dead and gone? 😭😭😭

[–]calltehshots 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was JUST looking for something like this, this is perfect thanks OP!

I had recently gotten into NCT U because The 7th Sense is a fucking BOP and wanted to explore further - this is gonna be extremely helpful!

[–]hologirl 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've never listened to Kpop before but this post finally gave me a reason to do so and I gotta say that I like what I'm hearing! Thank you a million times!

[–]Tofinochris 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy mackerel. Quality and high effort post.

[–]lonelyglory 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been kinda dipping my toes more into K-Pop recently (and Western Pop admittedly) since my musical "home" is mostly J-Pop/J-Rock so this post is a great point for me to delve deeper -- thanks!

So far I'm mostly drawn to 9muses and Girls' Generation, like a handful of 4minute songs and am still trying to get used to 2NE1 and Big Bang.

[–]accuracyandprecision 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Omg, spot on for the Orange Caramel recommendation. Lipstick is a great album if you love your Eurotrash.

[–]eykitsa 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Quality post.

[–]DoctorWhoWhenHowWhy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent post! Thanks for writing this!!!

[–]butistillwork 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

What kind of keeps me or has kept me from getting into K-Pop is that a large part of my enjoyment of pop music, much more so than for other genres, is the ability to sing along. I just don't know any Korean, unfortunately. And to a lesser degree, simply being able to understand what is being said is also important to me.

That said, I love CHVRCHES, Lorde and Stromae, so "Lim Kim - Awoo" is right up my alley! And the video has captions, so that's nice too lol

Sick post, OP.

EDIT: 5 hours later, still listening to Awoo. Damn, lol

[–]raicicle[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

To be honest, I think that's totally fine! I think I get the same feeling sometimes. My understanding of Korean is hugely limited, so that makes for one less element of a song that you can immediately connect with, or indeed sing along with (unless I'm just mumbling random crap along to a melody, which is often the case). The way I've approached k-pop is inadvertently way more hook-based. There is a lot of k-pop that I just don't find interesting enough, just because the language barrier forces a song to be way more immediate than I would otherwise want from a pop song from the Western industry.

I mean, interestingly, I think it's quite blatant to how the k-pop industry understands this point of view as they get more and more popular globally. The hooks get laden on more and more, and more Scandinavian songwriters get involved (and, hell, even producers like Max Martin have a natural language barrier). Lots of songs have started to introduce more and more English into the songs as well. Verses in Korean, with parts of or even entire choruses in English!

[–]butistillwork 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think it was around the time that Gangnam Style got huge that I first had any real contact with K-Pop and actually checked some of it out, and even in my very limited exposure I noticed exactly what you're talking about lol. I really like Wonder Girls' "Like This" and it's chock full of English phrases too. Maybe that's why I like it? Then again, at this point I can pretty much "gibberish" along anyway hahaha

EDIT: holy shit, now that I looked up the video again, I saw this song by them in the related videos section, and it's just straight up completely in English and ft. Akon.

[–]raicicle[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Haha, Like This was probably one of the first k-pop songs I got exposed to post-Gangnam Style as well. I didn't really get into k-pop until late last year, but I'd come across the occasional k-pop song like Like This.

I think Like This was at the time when the Wonder Girls were very consciously trying to break into the American market (albeit not that successfully). The month after, they literally released an entirely English song with Akon. I mean, Akon, of all people. They were probably one of the first to really try to break into the American market because of moderate past successes (of course, these days, most k-pop artists are trying to do that).

Edit: Haha, looks like you found the Akon song while I was writing this post.

[–]butistillwork 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

lol, I had just found that Akon song as well and put it in an edit. That's amazing. But yeah, obviously their success has been uhh... limited, since I don't think I've ever heard of them beyond watching/listening to Like This on YouTube over and over. Maybe that's for the best though, because Like This is infinitely better imo. I hope their current music is more like this (heh) too.

[–]raicicle[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They've come back as a sort of super 80s synthpop outfit. I've put their latest album under Deeper? in the Carly Rae Jepsen section.

K-pop artists do the whole image reinvention thing pretty often.

[–]clue3l3ess 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh this is some good shit OP. Do you know any songs or artists that have a smooth rnb feel to it?

[–]raicicle[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think I'd echo /u/genteelblackhole and the suggestion of Zion. T and such. Something like a song like Just. For something for obviously poppy R&B-wise, I think Jonghyun is probably the way to go. He's big in his own group, SHINee, but has made a name for himself as a strong solo artist and prolific songwriter. Ranges from like fuzzy synthy stuff to stuff that genuinely sounds like D'Angelo.

[–]genteelblackhole 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was expecting the second Jonghyun link to be Hallelujah, which is a great R&B song.

[–]cutandshovel 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't recommend Zion. T enough

[–]genteelblackhole 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another big name for the R&B-esque category that deserves a mention would be Zion. T - his stuff isn't quite the darker The Weeknd style R&B that you get from Dean and the like, it fits more in with the Frank Ocean-esque category you've got:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skhwqq-iGQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibb5RhoKfzE

[–]hanarada 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

DEAN is amazing. Its not even Kpop like (except if you count in guests appearance.

[–]CarlosCuba 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm saving this! amazing post!

[–][deleted] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't fuck with Kpop.

[–]dsafdasjkfads 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

No one cares about your opinion