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[–]calltehshots 61ポイント62ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is a great read! Really in depth.

Re-living through all of this makes me cringe a little lol. I'm like getting flashbacks of me being in middle school having to defend why I liked her so much especially after her VMA performances where she's ~omg such a slut~. I've been a huge fan since the beginning and when I was a kid, I never understood the vitriol people had for her. It's not about people not liking her or her music, because that I don't care - that's completely valid of an opinion, but it was like people wanting her to die and HATING her SO much and she didn't really do anything other than be a young girl.

This actually reminded me of a funny story where I got into a argument with a priest in my catholic high school (this was during the peak of her breakdown) who made a really fucked up joke about her mental health DURING mass. (I forgot what it was, I just remember getting mad lol) I was like dude you're a priest wtf shouldn't you be understanding of everyone etc etc and he ended up apologizing to me. I was literally out here getting into it with fucking priests about Britney jfc lmfaooo. Mess.

It's interesting how much easier it is to be a Britney fan now lol. She's generally well-liked by the general public, I guess a lot of them feel bad for treating her like shit for most her life lol or maybe nostalgia hit and her younger fans from back then who didn't really care about all that stuff grew up. Who knows.

[–]TheAllRightGatsby 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was literally out here getting into it with fucking priests about Britney jfc lmfaooo.

Doin the lord's work tbh, good on you friend

EDIT: I just realized this sounded like memeing (and it is a little bit just cuz everything I say is a little memey) but I seriously mean that I admire that you stood up for her and just for the idea of compassion and understanding and empathy and everything. That's really great.

[–]VioletChutzkee 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is awesome! It's awful how vitriolic comments about Britney were considered socially acceptable back in the day, so it took a lot of courage for you to stick up for her, especially as a preteen/teen. I wish I would've been as woke as you haha. I think we're about the same age and at the time I didn't like Britney and was going through my unfortunate slut-shaming/le wrong generation phase. So I'm really impressed by how loyal of a fan you've been tbh, especially since at the time liking Britney wasn't the "cool" thing to do and as derpy teens we typically put far too much stock in others' opinions.

[–]havenjay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm like getting flashbacks of me being in middle school having to defend why I liked her so much especially after her VMA performances where she's ~omg such a slut~. I've been a huge fan since the beginning

Me too, I was in the same boat as you. I remember when I was pre-teen and I used to just watch her music videos (before VEVO and in the early years of YouTube) just because she made me happy. I admire you for sticking up for her!

[–]greenging 46ポイント47ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was really interesting and upsetting to read. LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE. Like actually.

It's incredibly maddening that there's this huge push for women to sexualize themselves and their performances, but as soon as they do they're sluts/skanks/derogatory term of your choosing. The media lays claim to women's bodies and lifestyle, especially celebrities and as soon as you don't conform to their ever changing ideals you're fucked. It's ridiculous and infuriating and heartbreaking and I'm legitimately so PISSED right now. Reading this really clears up her breakdown. I didn't get it at the time, but it makes so much sense now. If I had been subjected to half the torment and ridicule Britney had, I would have had a breakdown too.

Thank you for posting this.

[–]Jelboo 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

A fantastic read. It really is maddening to see how a celebrity can become such a target for vicious and intrusive lies and scrutiny. For some strange reason, the public wants to see people who climb high up to fall down. We often say it's jealousy, but I'm not so sure what it is. Is there any cultural or biological process that always makes us want to find flaws in our own idols?

[–]fifthchevron[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you :)

I edited it from my original post but, to answer the question you pose, I did find this article that elaborates on Craig Ferguson's defence of Britney/celebrities, and that led to this paper which delves into the psychology behind her treatment.

[–]Jelboo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Those were good reads too. I've had long discussions about this with students. The general consensus was that, if you desire fame, you have to accept the spotlight and all that comes with it, all the negativity too. It's part of the deal. I get that it is part of the deal for sure, but why should we accept it? Just because someone is rich, handsome or talented, we have to keep up with their private lives? Publish every inch of ground they traverse, worship them and slander them on different pages of the same magazine? It's a sad trend in popular culture, really.

[–]fifthchevron[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've never agreed with that mentality and I think people who say that just can't be bothered being nice tbh.

[–]potrap 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great post. It's honestly appalling to me that so many people decided it was open season on someone like Britney for no reason other than...she was vulnerable? Mentally ill? Famous? Sexual of her own volition? It's beyond the pale.

Britney seems like a very sweet girl with a lot of talent and it's brilliant to see her successful, so happy with her kids, and making good music. Things could have gone very differently for her.

[–]fifthchevron[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think people who never got to know her as a person saw her as some sort of evil temptress who had come to corrupt the kiddies, so when she started making mistakes it was like "Haha SEE you're not as great as you thought you were!" or something twisted like that.

[–]DocHorrorToo 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is excellent. Thanks for posting.

I've never been a huge fan of Britney but I respect her as an icon. I also remember when Britney first arrived on the scene. From the start she was a target. It's something I didn't really understand until I got older but people took (and still continue to take) this perverse joy in mocking and degrading her. So many of the comments in the media just reek of misogyny as well. Let's take someone who's practically a hate-meme like Chad Kroeger. It's basically a cultural joke to hate Nickleback (I myself don't like them, tbh), but when Chad is criticized, it is with far less personal, sexual, and/or body-related vitriol than Britney has been subjected to. And this isn't even unique; it's a pattern in the way we, as a larger society and unfortunately also as fans, discuss female pop stars.

Her breakdown was especially revealing of people's attitudes and, as you say, their desire to see her fail. Here was a woman having an obvious crisis and it was turned into one big joke. She needed help and support, and what she was given was an even worse kind of fame. Even Charlie Sheen at his worst, when he was also a pop cultural joke, was still treated with amusement -- ironic amusement, but amusement nonetheless, and with language that was mock-empowering (#winning, tiger blood memes, etc), while Britney was treated with a sense of enjoyment of just how far she had fallen -- and a question of how much farther can she fall?

I really want things to be good for her and to stay that way in the long run. She's given pop music a great deal, whether or not people like her, and she deserves to be treated far better than she has been.

Again, great write-up!

[–]fifthchevron[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I think the misogyny with tearing women down makes people extra vicious, because they get a sick joy out of "destroying" a woman, since we're always perceived as the evil, manipulative ones.

[–]7mad 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Did you watch her new instagram posts? It's literally her and her children hiking with Cheap Thrills edited over it and a bunch of facebook wine-mom memes with a bunch of gay men calling her queen of x. I love her so much!

[–]joshually 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I truly hope her children are great loving normal children and that they are giving her a reason to be, just be.

[–]7mad 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

She also posts their drawings sometimes it's amazing

[–]fifthchevron[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Her becoming the social media wine mom of pop music has been my favourite thing, I'm glad she's happy.

[–]TheAllRightGatsby 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a fantastic post, and I'm kind of horrified by it, thank you for writing it. I just wanna say that I love Craig Ferguson absolutely to death, and I remember seeing that clip, and hearing him talk about her like that resonated with me. It was just like, what are we even doing? Can we really not understand everyone's inherent personhood? Why are we tearing each other down? It's the most joyless thing we can do. I've never really listened to Britney's music but I remember when she started making her comeback and I saw some pictures of her looking happy and healthy with her kids and dropping good music, I was so thrilled for her, it just felt so... I don't know, I can't describe it, just that seeing someone find happiness and peace felt so transcendently pleasant somehow. It doesn't happen that often, especially not for people in the public eye like that. I wish nothing but the best for Britney, and however anyone feels about her music I think we can all get behind her happiness and success.

(All I could think while reading this post is LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE I know we make fun of that dude cuz it's a little over the top but I saw that video once a few weeks ago and I was like, "Dude, Chris, I'm totally completely on your side, I feel your pain." That dude was ahead of the curve.)

[–]FupaExpert 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Back in '07 I didn't really let it sink in just how much Britney needed help. Looking back, it's heartbreaking to realize just HOW MUCH shit she got on a daily basis. It makes it even sweeter that now I still have her releasing music.

[–]MrSwearword 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I knew she was hated but that POLITICIAN'S WIFE WANTING TO SHOOT HER and the AP PUBLICIZING THAT THEY WERE PREPARING HER OBITUARY were terrifying to find out.

Dude, this shit was eye-opening. Thank you and I say to you; you better Work Bitch.

[–]DrunkHurricane 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

When this picture went viral, every media outlet called her fat.

How the hell is that fat?

[–]CandlePrince 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great write up with many resources. The media coverage during her dark period was ridiculous. I'm happy that she recovered from it.

[–]trafficserver 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have put into words so many things I've been trying to explain to people when they throw shade my way when I talk about my admiration for Britney Spears. THIS is why she is the epitome of a survivor. Thank you for this post!

[–]joshually 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

That Craig Ferguson video was so hard to watch. That audience was laughing at everything inappropriately.

"Anna Nicole Smith died" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

" I was an alcoholic" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Britney is 25 and has 2 kids" *NYAHAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAA"

!?1?/52/5?121!/1//1/1/1/11!?!?!

[–]Svviftie 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

She got treated worse than anyone I can think of, but this keeps happening with other stars as well.

It's incredibly transparent when people are trying to find chinks in their armor, and as soon as they find an opening, they attack. Doesn't matter if it's the tiniest most insignificant thing, they'll make it out to be a big deal.

And the hypocritical pieces of shit ignore it when other celebs who are in their good graces for the moment do the exact same thing.

I was a fan of Britney from the start and saw this all unfold. Already in 1999, people at my school were hating her for no good reason. It started almost immediately.

Ugh.. reading this post and remembering all the bullshit again is making me angry. Dear haters, fuck yourself with a stick 😡

[–]nezaket 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

we have a wiki right? this needs to be in our wiki

[–]havenjay 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The older I get the more and more I understand.

Looking back and watching those videos of her sitting down in front of her home crying while the paparazzi try and milk it for a story are sickening to watch

[–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really great read, thank you for this post!

Immediately after her 2007 VMAs performance, host Sarah Silverman called Britney's children "mistakes" and talked explicitly about Britney's genitals. She also said Britney had achieved everything she'll ever achieve, if that isn't actively wanting someone to fail I don't know what is.

Disgusting. The fact that Silverman calls herself a feminist yet blatantly makes comments like this about another woman just makes so angry even though it was almost a decade ago. But I guess that's what mainstream feminism is all about, you're only out for yourself and don't care about supporting other women. Britney is a pop culture icon and living legend while Silverman hasn't been relevant in years and just has to do the most offensive shit just so people will pay attention to her, which not most do.

[–]luddyjun 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember reading something a year or two ago about Britney being really anxious about people hating her before a show of 20 000, or something, fans cheering for her. It's really sad that there's a mentality that hating celebrities is okay because they're celebrities, and it's so common too.

As for the killing Britney Spears games that were a thing in the early 2000s, I wouldn't really say there were targeted toward her for the sake of hating her. "Killing celebrity" games in general were pretty common, and I guess the more famous you were the more common it was to appear in those kind of games. For the most part, they're just stupid games with stupid premises and that's kind of the fun of it. Although I'm sure there's some pretty fucked though.

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