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TL;DR: I caught my wife cheating on me over a year ago. I stayed with her for the sake of our children, but I haven't been able to get it off of my mind since.
It has been 476 days since I confronted her about it, how do I know? Because every time I catch myself thinking about it I tell myself, "It's only been X days, maybe you won't think about it tomorrow".
So to go back to the beginning I had just taken on a new project and new responsibilities at work. I was working a lot of hours (60+ per week) and was noticeably stressed. It was in May of 2015 that I noticed that she had added a password to her phone. When confronted about it she told me it was because she was planning my Father's Day present and didn't want me to ruin the surprise. About a week later she came to me and told me that she felt guilty keeping a big secret from me and told me that she was having our neighbor, a contractor, build a home office for me as my present. It struck me as odd as in our 6 years together she has never said she felt guilty about anything and always insists that she never regrets anything in her life.
Time goes on, her phone is still password protected, and things don't feel right. I see her using her phone and smiling to herself more and more often. But when I ask her what she is doing she says nothing and puts her phone away. So one morning I wait for her to get in the shower and I grab her phone before it requires the password. I go through her messages and find that she is texting the neighbor, "I am all covered in frosting, you wanna lick it off?". There were no other messages to the neighbor but I found out later that was because she had setup her phone to delete messages after a certain amount of time. I felt uncomfortable with it but I knew she had a perverted sense of humor and I thought she would never do anything to hurt me.
More time goes by and the neighbor is spending more and more time at our house but the office is being completed slower and slower. I can't help but worry that something isn't right so I start checking her location using Google Timeline. It was at this point that I realize that there are large gaps in her GPS history because she was turning off her phone's GPS. Fast forward to July and at this point the paranoia is driving me nuts so I tell her that I need to install new anti-virus on her phone. While she has it unlocked for me I install Anti-theft software so I can remotely turn the GPS back on and set up At&t Message Backup and Restore so I can read all of her text messages from that point on my computer.
The next day my mother asks to spend time with my two kids so my wife drops them off with her and has the day to herself. I watch my wife's activity from work as she spends the day trying to meet up with the neighbor but is unsuccessful because he is busy with another job site. That night we get the kids back from my mom's house and we go out to dinner with the neighbor, his girlfriend, and his son. My wife and his girlfriend are having a good time drinking, laughing, and just joking around. His girlfriend mentions that should would like to see Magic Mike XXL, I say it's a good idea I'll watch the kids so my wife and her can go. So my wife and her go and the neighbor and I go back to my house so the kids can play video games together.
The kids are back in my son's room playing games and the neighbor is sitting across from me on the other couch. It is at this point that my wife starts texting him. She is describing sex acts she would like to perform with him and he is reciprocating. She tells him to check his snapchat and at the same time I get a snapchat from her too and it is her fingering herself in a bathroom stall. They keep talking, trying to figure out when they can meet up and have sex. They decide on Monday morning after I go to work. So in my head I had already planned to pretend to leave and circle back to catch them. But then they tell each other that they love each other and it is all I can do to not leap off the couch and knock him out. But I contain myself and continue reading the conversation unfolding in front of me. Then he tells her, "You're my girl now", to which she replies, "Always have been", ending with him writing, "And always will be".
My wife and the neighbor's girlfriend return from the movie and I ask them, politely, to sit down. I then ask the kids to stay in my son's room and shut the door. I return to the living room and confront my wife and the neighbor. I say, "So you two love each other huh?". My wife goes in to full blown denial mode and the neighbor's girlfriend starts smacking him. I ask my wife if she has been texting him, she says no. So I show her the text messages, she admits to it but says it was the first time it had gone that far. I ask my wife if she has sent him pictures, she says no. So I show her the picture, she admits it but says it was the first time. I ask her if she is having sex with him and she says no. Because I didn't wait to catch them having sex together I didn't have evidence to prove her wrong so that one stayed unresolved.
I tell her that I am leaving her, she tells me that she will make sure I never see my kids again if I do. She planned on using the fact that I had attempted suicide in high school to prove me unfit to have the children. She continues to say that it was my fault for being so busy with work and stressed out, that she just wanted someone she could talk to. Then she gives me an ultimatum to decide what I'm going to do or she will decide for me. The neighbor's girlfriend starts defending the two of them saying that it couldn't have been serious if they weren't having sex and that my wife and I are too perfect together to let this break us up. The neighbors go home and my wife and I argue for the rest of the night about what we are going to do. We go to bed separately having not resolved anything. We keep going back and forth on the subject all weekend and finally settle on we were going to separate temporarily while we figure out what we want. I was going to stay in the house and she was going to take the kids and go to her mom's house.
That Monday I go to work and I get text from her in the middle of a meeting with my bosses stating that she had explained things to our kids, but that they were upset and I need to explain it to them also. I get home from work to find my kids crying. She had told them that mommy had to move out because dad was mad at her. When my son wanted to stay with me she told him that he can't. My son put it together that if mommy has to move out because I'm mad at her and he must move out then I must have been mad at him too. My daughter was crying because my son was, I don't think she was old enough to understand what was happening.
It was at that moment I realized she was going to drag the kids through hell if I left her so I swallowed my feelings and begged her to stay. She agreed and insisted that I apologize to our neighbor since we were still going to need to hang out with them because our sons are good friends. I hate it but I do it anyway, we still hang out with them from time to time and they come to our various birthday and holiday parties. But I'd do anything for my kids and I behave civil every time.
Things die down for awhile, I still think about it constantly. I worry how can I keep from making her so unhappy that she cheats on me again. Then almost a year from the original incident, around Father's Day again, she send him pictures again. She claims it was an accident that she meant to send them to me instead. I don't fully believe her but I move on anyway.
Things have been quiet on that front for about 4 months now but I still think about it constantly. This is going to sound stupid but I feel like I have a part of my brain that I can't shut off, that is always thinking. I used to use that to solve programming problems and it made me very good at my job. But ever since this incident, the only thing it thinks about is her and him and if I did the right thing. My job performance has suffered and I feel like I haven't gotten sleep in months. I'm afraid that after this much time, and the fact that I begged her back, that to say that I want a divorce now would only make her more vindictive towards my children and I. I just feel like I have put myself so deep in a hole that I can never get back out. I haven't really talked to anyone about this. I didn't want to talk to my mom about it because I felt she would treat my wife differently and I didn't need the two fighting anymore than they already do. I tried talking to one friend about it but his advice was to put my trust in God but that was not much solace for me as I am an atheist. So I have no clue what to do with my feelings or how to move on from this.
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[–]MonsieurLeDude 460 points461 points462 points  (48 children)
You are trying to navigate this alone and you should seek counsel ASAP. You should have done this months ago - Your wife's threats should hold no weight until you can get a professional legal opinion on your exposure in a divorce.
You won't be doing your children any favors by remaining in a marriage that is now founded on lies, infidelity and outright bullying. She made you apologize to your neighbor? And you did it?
Come on man. You cannot honestly say that you see any sort of future here that isn't a hell on earth for you, so for your sake and the sake of your children get to a lawyer ASAP and follow his directions to the letter.
[–]daymcn 108 points109 points110 points  (0 children)
The wife killed their 2 kids and tried to kill herself after he gave her divorce papers last week.
[–]jamicam 26 points27 points28 points  (0 children)
Very well said.
[–]UpVoteMeFiveTimes 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Exactly this. Try Avvo.com, you can get a15 min session immediately with a lawyer to assess your situation. It's going to be a really rough time for you, but you need to play it cool and think of all your next moves carefully. Get a good lawyer that'll have your back!
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    [–]couldabeen 126 points127 points128 points  (2 children)
    I cannot believe you stayed with her. I cannot believe you 'begged' her to stay. I cannot believe you apologized to neighbor.
    [–]UNN_Rickenbacker 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)
    There's really no perfect descision there. As a kid who grew up in/after a nasty divorce, it really fucking sucked, too
    [–]NeonDisease 55 points56 points57 points  (0 children)
    I canott believe she murdered the children.
    [–]TheCosmicSerpent 56 points57 points58 points  (13 children)
    smack the shit out of that old man. go to an attorney (i hope you saved all the evidence) and talk about ways to get custody of your kids. your wife is a twat
    [–]2012MustangGT 19 points20 points21 points  (9 children)
    i would've gone with "cunt" but i agree with this comments otherwise.
    [–]TheCosmicSerpent 30 points31 points32 points  (8 children)
    yea, i mean the fact that she is threatening to use OP's suicide attempt from 15 years ago as a way to get full custody of the kids should he decide to leave is incredibly low and fucked up
    [–]oh_boisterous 24 points25 points26 points  (2 children)
    OP, I promise you, no judge will give a shit about a suicide attempt from high school. I've heard of actual drug addicts getting their kids because judges are very against cutting a parent out of the equation. You have to be extremely abusive or fucked up to lose custody. Your wife is full of shit and you believe her because she was a paralegal. She's going to spend the entire divorce threatening you with everything under the sun - don't believe her. Her attitude will get her yelled at by the judge, I promise you.
    [–]porkbellydiet 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
    This. ONE suicide attempt from HIGH SCHOOL? Show the judge that is the past and what a great and strong father you are and that you can provide them a stable, loving home. You have a job, she does not. Stay focused on your kids. Spend quality time with them and let your love for them drive you to improve your work performance again to help your case as a great, loving, and providing parent. Do not give her any other reason to paint you as an unfit father.
    Just because she's a paralegal does not mean she knows much about divorces. In addition, she has been out of practice.
    Like in other recommendations in other posts, keep documentation (out of her reach in case she tries to destroy it) of her infidelity and threats or poor parenting. Do NOT tell her you're documenting anything or she will sabotage you even further.
    If you have been thinking about this daily for 476 days now, and she has not even tried to make this up to you, you will not get over it for a long time, if ever. You know deep down inside that she is likely still cheating, but being better at it. She's manipulative enough to emasculate you and have you apologize to the neighbor and who knows what lies she's telling your children about you.
    Please know your worth and best of luck to you and your children.
    [–]shamesister 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Yeah and she knew about it and then had his kids anyway. She can't bring that up. She willingly creed those kids so obviously she found him fit to have them.
    [–]2012MustangGT 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
    There are at least 10 giant red flags. This dude's kids will someday understand the sacrifices he is making in his own life to keep them ignorantly happy.
    [–]TheCosmicSerpent 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    one would hope. but his wife definitely seems like the type to manipulate them for years into thinking their father is the bad guy. shitty situation all around and stories like these make me so scared to get married and fully commit to one individual, you know?
    [–]whenifeellikeit 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yeah, but it's not gonna hold any water in court. They don't give a shit about that.
    [–]Deidara77 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
    He should have got a lawyer as soon as he had all that information together, its been over a year now and the wife knows he knows. He has no more hidden cards, and the element of surprise is gone. Unfortunately OP made the wrong decision and caved to her blackmailing (even if he had good reasons to do it, still wrong decision) and given her more power in this scenario. I think the best thing he can do now is suck it up and keep on keeping on.
    [–]LarryfromFinance -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Maybe his kids still would have been alive if he had done this.
    [–]IwantTHATonetoo 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
    Wife IS worse than a twat. She murdered the kids.
    [–]someguy3 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    She is poison in your life. Get rid of it. And a disfunctional family is worse for the kids than a divorce. As for the kids believing her lies, tell them not to believe anything she says about you, or you say about her.
    [–]branfip82 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    Turn in your man card. Today.
    [–]Vrgom20 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    You are an asshole. The absolute lowest of the low.
    [–]branfip82 -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
    Eh, go fuck yourself.
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      [–]boosnow 100 points101 points102 points  (12 children)
      I stayed with her for the sake of our children
      Yeah, your children are not getting anything good out of this. They will grow to think an angry hateful environment is the normal marriage, so they will seak the same. There are very happy kids out there, who grew with divorced parents.
      [–]PandaMango 47 points48 points49 points  (1 child)
      Fucking disgusting cunt I hope she rots in hell. Sorry OP, try to surround yourself with people who love you at this time.
      [–]MjrJWPowell 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
      I have a feeling he's not going to check reddit ever again.
      [–]mistermorteau 16 points17 points18 points  (5 children)
      I had the same reaction at first, but then when I read his post, I understood it was not the classic sake of the kids, but more a save the well being of the kids.
      [–]AptCasaNova 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
      Yep. I'm one of those former kids. I have zero respect for either of my parents and had serious issues with relationships in my twenties.
      Standing up for yourself and them is he best gift you can give them - it sets an example.
      Don't fool yourselves into thinking they don't know what's going on and are fine. You're basically laying a path for them to have to go down themselves when they start dating.
      [–]howivewaited 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
      Yeah they definitely arent getting any good out of this since they were just murdered :'(
      [–]chief_slap_ahoe 247 points248 points249 points  (8 children)
      So she had an affair and she made you apologize to the ap. Man grow some balls.
      [–]shahadar 11 points12 points13 points  (3 children)
      Thank you! GROW SOME BALLS!
      [–]Cooper0302 85 points86 points87 points  (0 children)
      He did. And then she murdered his fucking children!
      [–]whenifeellikeit 35 points36 points37 points  (6 children)
      You have got to be absolutely kidding me. You stayed?!? After that shit, you stayed. Fucking baffling.
      No, dude, she cannot keep your kids from you. Get yourself a fucking lawyer and sort this shit out. It will suck because you married a fucking asshole, but then it'll be over and you'll be out.
      [–]WalterMatthau 35 points36 points37 points  (5 children)
      You have got to be absolutely kidding me. You stayed?!? After that shit, you stayed. Fucking baffling.
      No, dude, she cannot keep your kids from you. Get yourself a fucking lawyer and sort this shit out. It will suck because you married a fucking asshole, but then it'll be over and you'll be out.
      OP's wife murdered his children.
      [–]whenifeellikeit 35 points36 points37 points  (4 children)
      Yes, I saw that last night and reached out to him myself. We talked a little. I sent me sincere apologies.
      [–]Cooper0302 22 points23 points24 points  (3 children)
      Good for you buddy, I really mean that. This whole thing is beyond fucked up. I can't get my head round it.
      [–]whenifeellikeit 38 points39 points40 points  (2 children)
      My heart is broken for him. I can't stop thinking about it. I offered to make him a keepsake quilt out of their clothes or other things when all the dust settles. I'm a quilter and seamstress, so that's the most worthy thing I have to offer him. I hope he takes me up on it. I'd be very honored.
      [–]Cooper0302 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
      That would be an awesome thing to do. You know, I've a friend who just recently lost his mother and he's devastated. When the time comes and we're clearing her stuff I'm gonna suggest he does something like that to have something practical to remember her by. I know it's not the same circumstance at all but grief is grief.
      [–]whenifeellikeit 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
      I know there are a few sellers on Etsy who do it. But if you know a quilter, they might do it on commission. They turn out beautifully.
      [–]Lordica 24 points25 points26 points  (1 child)
      See a lawyer and make sure you have documentation. This isn't doing your kids any favors.
      [–]Major_Pane 23 points24 points25 points  (1 child)
      fml this post and some of the replies are just depressing
      [–]Cooper0302 25 points26 points27 points  (0 children)
      I have no idea why I'm tortuting myself reading this shit when I've already spent a large part of the day thinking about that poor guy. The original replies here are tough to read without knowing what happened - but now? Jesus Christ. I can't even wrap my head around the whole situation.
      [–]Thecardinal74 27 points28 points29 points  (1 child)
      OP I am so sorry. I advocated you to get a divorce. I feel like I let you down, even though I know this is no more my fault than it it yours.
      I can't even find more words right now. I'm so sorry for your unimaginable loss
      [–]zeporscheguy 42 points43 points44 points  (0 children)
      Absolutely no one is to blame here for anything that happened, except his wife.
      [–]oywiththepoodle 24 points25 points26 points  (0 children)
      Oh wow this is a hot mess. It's time to go talk to a lawyer.
      It seems the only reason you're holding it all together is for your kids so, as they are rightfully your priority and you will have to coparent them with your soob-to-be ex wife, you need a plan that will work. A lawyer can help.
      Do you have any family you can tell? Close friends that can help support you through this difficult time? Please reach out, being alone will make it harder.
      Now, if I misread the situation and your goal is to get passed the cheating and remain married, counciling could help. There are clearly issues with trust that have to be worked through. Of course you can't trust your wife. She didn't come clean even when confronted!
      There are a lot of options for you to think over. Please take your own needs into consideration. You will be a better father if you are happy. Even the best of parents have to put their own oxygen masks before their kids. Get yours on.
      [–]ledtap93 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
      Seek legal counsel for divorce, my recommendation also is to get a psych evaluation knowing that your psyche was once compromised over an attempted suicide. Your wife on the other hand has sociopathic tendencies, clearly. Keep records of everything, even if it's writing down details of an argument, that's sufficient enough to be presented as evidence in the case you do pursue a divorce. It doesn't seem very difficult to present a case and prove to the court that she is unfit to be sole provider, due to lack of profession/job, her adulterous behavior, and her sociopathic tendencies. Good luck mate.
      [–]iSkinMonkeys 12 points13 points14 points  (5 children)
      cheating wife
      Cuck husband
      Staying after catching her cheating & apologizing to her lover
      OP sure knows how to rile up reddit.
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        [–]Goatfacedwanderer 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
        This has to be a troll post. There is no way the neighbour's GF would have been focused on keeping OP and his wife together right when the confrontation happened. This was a well constructed fairy tale though, he definitely nailed all of reddit's triggers here.
        [–]TEXANinvASIANx 41 points42 points43 points  (1 child)
        I really fucking wish it wasn't true. The wife snapped and killed the kids. Here's the link to the news site and another post where OP states his name. It all matches up, it wasn't a lie.
        [–]Goatfacedwanderer 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
        Wow. That is just absolutely tragic. :(
        [–]lubblylady 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
        Wow, your wife is a cunt.
        I'm getting the shits with reading the 'grow some balls' responses here, you have done NOTHING wrong in any way.
        You have behaved maturely and with incredible restraint considering the intense and highly charged circumstances.
        I don't have advice regarding divorce, I'm not sure if I would recommend separation or divorce right now, I don't think you're in the right head space just yet.
        You need to have a lot of internal strength and preparedness to successfully navigate those terrible waters - which I think you can sense - which is why you haven't taken the plunge.
        How old are your kids?
        I think finding a man who has been in your situation and gotten the outcome you want is the person you need to speak to.
        He is out there.
        Message me if you want, my background
        Been with my husband 13 years, he was very newly separated and I supported him through the divorce and custody bullshit for many difficult years.
        We lost the kids, suffered parental alienation and the ex (who left my husband for another man) took the kids hours away so we barely saw them. (they are nearly adult now)
        I just got caught cheating on my husband like 2 weeks ago (no kids) the affair was 9 months old when I was busted. First and only affair in my whole life.
        But unlike your ex and his ex I was/ am interested in making things 'right' again.
        Anyway, I've lived a little bit. So there's that.
        [–]TonyaBea 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
        Seek legal advice. There's plenty online. I wouldn't stay with her. It sounds like she has mental health issues.
        [–]Hip_HipPopAnonymous 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
        I would say it's pretty much confirmed at this point.
        [–]Thecardinal74 11 points12 points13 points  (5 children)
        Stayed with her "for the sake of the children"
        Aka "I want my children to learn that defunctional relationships are normal and it's OK to abuse each other"
        Kids will look up to a dad who respects himself. She is not a good person.
        [–]LarryfromFinance 21 points22 points23 points  (4 children)
        Damn right she wasn't, the kids don't even get to grow up now.
        [–]Thecardinal74 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
        Ummmm.... Why won't they grow up now?
        [–]Dollop_of_Cinnamon 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
        Unfortunately she killed their two kids and attempted suicide shortly after. Literally the worst outcome in this entire situation came into fruition.
        [–]Thecardinal74 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
        Well. Fuck. :(
        [–]Gem85 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
        She murdered them. Links upthread and in OPs history.
        [–]the-bum-hammer 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
        Despite me being attacked for being a blunt asshole with you, I am very sorry to hear about your family, if that is indeed true. As a father, I can't even begin to imagine the horror of it.
        I tried talking to one friend about it but his advice was to put my trust in God but that was not much solace for me as I am an atheist
        I'd stay away from the guy for now. He'd blame your "lack of faith in god" as the reason.
        I'm really sorry to hear this if true...
        [–]The_Bagel_Guy 9 points10 points11 points  (2 children)
        Bro to bro, get the fuck out, grow a backbone, 365 days from now you will thank me. Plus your kids will thank you as well. Seriously, come on man.
        [–]Rispetto 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
        I suspect this post will get locked soon and the admins will be forced to save it as evidence.
        [–]prplmze 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
        I'm surprised it's not locked already, regardless of why it needs to be preserved. I can't believe some of the comments on here. Humans can really be terrible, and I'm not just talking about his wife.
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          [–]TEXANinvASIANx 24 points25 points26 points  (0 children)
          The guy was right to be fucking scared. His wife snapped and murdered his kids and then stabbed herself. This is nightmare shit.
          [–]oh_boisterous 16 points17 points18 points  (9 children)
          I can't fucking believe that not only did you stay with her, but she got you to apologize. Are you fucking kidding me?
          Go speak to a lawyer now. Also, get yourself into therapy because you're going to need it through the divorce process.
          Ask your lawyer about things like "parental alienation" - that's what she started doing when she told the kids that you were kicking them out because you were mad at her.
          Also? Make damn sure she leaves the house. If you leave, you'll have a hell of a time getting the house in the divorce. If you stay, you'll most likely get to stay in there indefinitely. Let your cheating scumbag wife find a new place to live.
          [–]IwantTHATonetoo 12 points13 points14 points  (2 children)
          How bout if she lives in jail? She murdered the kids.
          [–]oh_boisterous 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
          What?
          ETA: Holy fucking shit. I don't even know what to say...
          [–]burlycabin 32 points33 points34 points  (0 children)
          I say this with all the kindness I possibly can, I hope this unbelievably awful situation is a reminder to all of us that we need to be more compassionate. Even here on the internet.
          We like to have knee jerk and strong reactions to everything, but it's important to remember that we're talking to real people. Real people happen to be very complex and we are likely rarely capable of fully understanding a person or situation from a reddit post.
          Advice and guidance is great, but we all need to do a much better job at giving that advice and guidance with a bit more humility and grace.
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            [–]bad__pussy 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
            The marriage is pretty much over.
            I'd say strike 1st and get the divorce before she decides to do it.
            Her being a former paralegal will mean she'll know what to say and do to get the most out of a divorce; especially if she's the one to file for it 1st. It might very well be possible that she'll use gps/text app against you since that may be illegal, too. AND she'll have a witness with your neighbor. Cheating kinda pales in comparison to breach of privacy.
            I think the only reason why she hasn't is due to her not working.
            Talk to a divorce lawyer ASAP
            [–]mistermorteau 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
            Before to begin, I want to tell you something very very important : nothing you did caused her infidelity, nothing
            Because nothing can justify infidelity. Even if you been abusive, it wouldn't justify it.
            What she told you ? That's the kind of BS a cheater mind produce for avoid to see themself as the bad guy.
            Once a guy, after twenty years of happy marriage ( dixit his cheating wife ) been cheated on because he was not helping to organize his daugther's marriage, but the other man was. Him, he was just working hard for pay the marriage...
            First, I must admit it is the first time I hope a post is a troll, but I feel like it isn't.
            I stayed with her for the sake of our children, but I haven't been able to get it off of my mind since.
            The first part is wrong, you didn't stayed for the sake of the kids, but for their well being. Usually, when people use the expression "for the sake of the kids", it means keep their family together, not taking the risk to let their mother abuse them mentally for hurt you.
            The second part is normal.
            But I'd do anything for my kids
            Do you really mean this ?
            Because the only thing you can do, for their sake, is to get a divorce.
            But for now, you don't seem able to, you are too broken.
            You must inform your boss of your family issue, even the threat, and what she did to your kids, it will give you two things : he will be more understanding about your loss of ability, and he will be able to cover you for meeting legal support during day.
            You remember me the man who been farted on.
            The man who been farted on, posted in the other subreddit.
            He married his wife, which was elegant, and had a nice sex life. They had a first kid, she still elegant, had sex, then the second kid was born, she stopped to be elegant, dressing like if it was lazy sunday everyday, sex stopped too.
            Few times later, he decided to work on himself, reading books, working at gym hard, improving his look.
            But nothing changed.
            One year later, as he was in bed reading, she came to talk to him, and as she turned back for leave, she farted on him.
            He had enough, posted on reddit, been adviced to speak with her, and did it.
            I hope he had a seat when he did :
            She always planned this, find a good man, who would make a good father, and get two kid, and be a mom.
            If he wished, he could get a side chick, but only if he was discreet.
            But if he planned to divorce her, she would use daddy money for ruin him, and make sure he would never see his kids again.
            Well, he thought some times to think, made a plan, scheduled it, and counterattacked.
            First he made her leave the main bedroom, without asking her, then he treated her like a roomie at best. Telling her he accepted her deal, but to don't expect intimancy or love from him.
            In the last update we had from the man who been farted on, he was still married, in marriage counselling, his wife confessed to her father her plans, and they was rebuilding their marriage.
            in a previous update, something happened, which really marked me.
            He was leaving early for a work trip of few day, and as he walked to his bathroom, he stood on his wife, she was sleeping on the ground.
            She wanted to be sure to see him, because she was unable to pursue on this way, she realized how important he was for her.
            I don't wish you this kind of happy end, but what I want to tell you, is he stood for himself, and even if he only had a shitty pair in hand, and a poor stash, all he had was himself, and he won his game.

            Now how to move on :
            First fix yourself, mentally, and physically.
            I advice you to leave the main bedroom, and sleep in another room since now.
            Before to go sleep, take a cold shower, one which make you shake.
            It will slow down your body, and helps you to fall asleep deeply ( when you sleep, your body slow down, and get colder, that's why if you are blocked in a cold place, you must not sleep ).
            If your wife says anything about you sleeping in another room, stand for yourself.
            Tell her you can't simply not sleep anymore there, and it is hurting your work's ability, so if she wishes to stay a mom at home, you need to sleep.
            Second read this : https://beingabeautifulmess.wordpress.com/the-180/ and apply it.
            It will help you to fix yourself, by finding out you can be happy by yourself.
            Your wife will notice the change, if she comments it, simply tell her you start to move on emotionally from her betrayal.
            Hit the gym, hard. Build muscles, be muscle.
            It will boost your self-esteem, and gives you a way to externalize all those dark feelings, and clean your mind.
            Some advice weight lifting, as it makes your whole mind focused on the exercices, and help them to clean themself.
            If your wife question it, simply answer you want to see your kids graduation.
            If she uses your kids as guilt trip " you don't see them anymore, ect" ask them "do you prefer to have a strong dad ?" as you tenses your muscles, "or a weak dad" and let your shoulder fall, it will make them laugh, and they will agree with you.
            Spent quality time with your kids, build a strong relationship with them, even stronger if it is already good.
            Go in therapy. You need it. Go to a man therapist. Receiving a man support, will be more beneficial for you.
            I highly advice you to read this book : "No more mr nice guy", by Robert Glover, here the pdf
            Read the intro and first chapters, see if it hits home, I think it will. It's a good and interesting reading.
            You need an orca lawyer. Why an orca lawyer ? Because an orca can kill a shark, but even if it started to attack a human, it will avoid the attack as soon it notices it is not it's usual prey. They are smart death machines for resume.
            Your wife being a paralegal plays against her, she is part of the law, she knows the law, and I don't think judges would appreciate one of them using the law for dirt it.
            I remenber a dude who had a good local lawyer, his wife, who cheated on him, got an excellent lawyer from another part of the state.
            His lawyer coached him about the judge.
            Her lawyer ? He pissed off the judge, and the judge even lectured his wife.
            Does your state is a double consent state about recording ? Because if not, start to walk around your wife with a VAR on, as she is really evil, it could avoid you a lot of trouble.
            And you need to log everything, everytime you take care of your kids, everything she says or does for ruin you, or your kids relationship.
            You can do it. You can get away of this hell with your kids.
            [–]the_cunt_muncher 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
            Dude you're 30 years old. You really want to live the next 50+ years of your life like this?
            [–]Lucydip 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
            What the hell are you still doing with her?!
            Fuck what you can prove, you KNOW she was cheating and she made YOU apologise? Wtf?!?
            [–]anyakinskywalker 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
            She made you apologize to the neighbor? The guy trying to fuck your wife? YOU had to say sorry? Yeah, no. Quietly take the evidence to court, serve her divorce papers - that is, unless you want your kids to grow up around a woman who mistreats her husband.
            [–]Vrgom20 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
            Looks like he tried that.... filed for divorce and then she killed his kids. He confirms it here
            [–]zeporscheguy 20 points21 points22 points  (0 children)
            What is your problem? How many posts have you responded to? What are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to make the people who responded 25 days ago, who had no idea what would happen, feel guilty? Are they/we somehow to blame for his ex deciding to murder his kids???
            [–]OptimismByFire 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
            I'm sorry you're having such a hard time. I can't imagine the pain you're in.
            I'm going to give moderate, and unpopular, advice: If you want to stay with your wife, it's possible you two can make it. You will need therapy. LOTS of professional therapy. The last 476 days have made things worse, not better.
            You're not less of a man because she cheated. You're not a weak person for seeking professional help. THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. She can be lonely and still not cheat.
            If you choose to leave, I support that decision as well. The internet loves to give extreme advice that sounds great on paper, but isn't practical IRL. Your pain is extremely personal, nuanced, and I'm positive there are myriad factors about which we know nothing.
            In my view, life is grey, not black and white. You don't have to divorce and never see her/your kids again. You do not have to stay and put up with her BS and not get your needs met. You can make your own grey area where you are comfortable.
            This is super shitty no matter what happens next. I'm so sorry. Please take care of yourself. There is NOTHING like therapy for healing yourself, and possibly your marriage. I would STRONGLY SUGGEST that you get an individual counselor as well as a marriage counselor.
            This pain is awful, and I'm so, so sorry.
            [–]Submansgirl 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
            I just want to say I'm so sorry you feel so trapped and have to apologize when you did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG!!!! I understand that feeling of wanting to do what is best for your children and no matter what it takes you will do. It just shows what a good person you are, but as long as you allow her to walk all over you she will continue to do so and never respect you. Sometimes you have to be the "asshole". This guy has come into your home and disrespected you and your family. Your wife has allowed this. The threat of telling the courts you tried to commit suicide in high school is ridiculous. Any judge would throw that out immediately. Your would have to be a completely incompetent parent to loose your rights. That is the last thing the courts want to do. Sharing custody is hard. I have to do it and after 10 years it doesn't get easier. Once a parent always a parent.... at least to the good parents. I hope you can find peace and figure out what is best for you and your marriage. I understand the infidelity(my ex husband cheated on me) I am not remarried to a man I trust completely and even on the darkest days I promise you there is the light somewhere! Hang in there and take care of you!
            [–]MPOTA 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
            Lawyer up back up those tex get rid of her
            [–]lawyerguy 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
            You are an idiot for staying with her. What are you teaching your children? That your son can grow up to be a pussy like his father? How can you have so little respect for yourself and your children? Grow some fucking balls and divorce this cheating bitch.
            [–]ZA_SDK 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
            Dude.. I was similar boat. Except best friend and wife.
            She can't keep kids away from you. Get a divorce lawyer. Fck the wife, you can't be the bitch for kid's sake for rest of your life
            She had told them that mommy had to move out because dad was mad at her
            She is fking crazy. I had a friend's who husband was a narcisit. He had an affair, and did the EXACT same thing. Put the kids in the middle of the divorce. So many lies he spew..
            Then almost a year from the original incident, around Father's Day again, she send him pictures again. She claims it was an accident that she meant to send them to me instead. I don't fully believe her but I move on anyway.
            DUDE!. She is lying. Get the f-ck out. She is abusing you emotionally.
            She agreed and insisted that I apologize to our neighbor since we were still going to need to hang out with them because our sons are good friends
            NO!!! You apologized? HELL NO. And yet again, she wants to bang him!
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              [–]Davidmuz 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
              Wow ... you apologised to your neighbour?? Mate you should of punched his lights out and your wife's you've just been shit on then made to eat the shit and then made to say you loved the taste...
              [–]Bissrok 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
              I was going to say she is clearly the devil, but you seem to be enabling her.
              [–]Cooper0302 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
              Man, you had her pegged just right. She actually is the fucking devil. She murdered the kids.
              [–]Lucydip 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
              After re-reading it appears to be quite trollish. People, especially guys would not respond this way. Even the most timid would have a breaking point that would've been reached by now.
              [–]m0untaingoat 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
              As the child of a divorced couple, please leave this woman. My brother and I have awesome relationship with both of our parents, and they get along as well. They both have great SOs, and when we all get together it's like having a bigger and better family than I ever thought I would have. It took time, it was bumpy, it wasn't always pleasant, but now it is amazing I am so glad they split when they did and began the next phase of their lives, ultimately making all of our lives so much better.
              [–]the-bum-hammer 3 points4 points5 points  (10 children)
              I caught my wife cheating on me over a year ago. I stayed with her for the sake of our children, but I haven't been able to get it off of my mind since.
              You stayed with her because you lack balls.
              and insisted that I apologize to our neighbor since we were still going to need to hang out with them because our sons are good friends.
              You're a pussy. She made you apologize to him because she was sucking him off and kissing you and your kids with his cum.
              [–]TEXANinvASIANx 43 points44 points45 points  (9 children)
              After what happened to this guy I hope you learn to watch your fucking mouth. Don't say shit that you can't take back.
              EDIT: Having read your posts I realize what you are. You worthless peice of shit, coming on here to insult people in vulnerable positions. Talk about balls, you wouldn't speak a single fucking word to the man holding his dead children now, you hide behind your keyboard like the pussy you are.
              [–]the-bum-hammer -1 points0 points1 point  (5 children)
              Talk about balls, you wouldn't speak a single fucking word to the man holding his dead children now, you hide behind your keyboard like the pussy you are.
              Not once have I ever laughed or made fun of people losing their children. That's you making up shit that I never said or did to justify your anger and pussy-like position against me.
              As for the OP here, he was made to apologize to the guy whose cock his wife sucked. That's beyond pathetic. And so are you.
              [–]TEXANinvASIANx 22 points23 points24 points  (4 children)
              OP's wife murdered his children, and you still lack the basic human decency to shut your fucking mouth. Your existence is almost comical you sad fuck. Grow the fuck up
              [–]the-bum-hammer -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
              Whiny bitchy cunty words and such and things and stuff and afraid of gluten and stuff.
              Trump.
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                [–]the-bum-hammer -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
                Awww, you have an X in your name (stupid female millennial shit) and "words hurt" and you have insanely high comment karma.
                You must be one of the many "SJW meltdowns to Trump" I can watch on youtube and laugh and laugh and laugh.
                [–]TEXANinvASIANx 15 points16 points17 points  (1 child)
                "Insanely high" I realize big numbers are scary for you. But in 3 months you have 3,000, so your getting karma faster than I ever did and by 3 years you should have more than double. Guess that makes you one of the "SJW meltdowns to trump", with the added bonus of not being able to do elementary school math
                [–]the-bum-hammer 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
                Trump.
                [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                You are now her beta bitch and she will never respect you again. Do what you have to. You will survive the Hell that c*** will put you through but it will be worth it in the end. Your kids will be fine after a while. You will hopefully "grow a pair" eventually, and never let that kind of thing go on so long again.
                Go see a lawyer now, in secret, and start preparing your finances (start putting YOUR money aside somewhere untouchable) and spend as much quality time with your kids as POSSIBLE (not convenient) so they know you're a good dad. Is she ends up with them she will poison them for a while...but not forever.
                Get therapy, and join a men's rights group. You'll need it. Best of luck
                [–]dandar4600 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                Sounds like you have a Stockholm syndrome and your wife is your captor. Tell you what. Make some calls from a burner phone you get in a store for $20. Find yourself a good divorce lawyer and find out what you need to do to be able to have custody of your kids 50% of the time. If your wife keeps track of your GPS, lose the fucking phone. Then lose the fucking replacement. She won't think any lesser of you than she already does. She has you so completely fucked over that you apologized to the guy that was fucking her. I feel sorry for you and the example you're showing to your son.
                [–]JebenKurac 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                Grow a set of balls and get a divorce.
                [–]butterfeddumptruck 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
                He did file then she murdered the children
                [–]hivemind_MVGC 7 points8 points9 points  (7 children)
                You are a sorry excuse for a man.
                She's still fucking him. If not him, someone else.
                Because she KNOWS you're a bitch now.
                [–]smookykins 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                Never marry, men. It's always about stealing your paycheck.
                [–]datsunblue 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                OP there is no way around this, she cheated over a period of time and probably is still cheating with the neighbor. You need to realize she is holding her own actions of infidelity against you and manipulating you to believe otherwise.I wished you had been able to hold off until the next morning when you would have caught them in the act. None the less there is more than enough evidence to go forward with the divorce. You will never be ok staying in this marriage. This is a situation in which you need to be decisive, not sitting on the fence.
                [–]KoldPC 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                Okay. So I have been here before. I recently had to get a lawyer and get custody of my son and go through all this mess. She is trying to treat you like your dumb. Like you have zero power how she will get the kids. That is not true. It sounds like you 2 have some money. So take the $300ish and go sit down with a lawyer ASAP. Trust me, you won't feel powerless after that hour meeting. You will have someone on your side and that will completely change your view point. Be happy man. Don't take her threats of what she thinks will happen. The court will tell you two what will happen. Your lawyer can easily get the text messages from att if it has to happen. Don't let her scare you man.
                [–]FratricideV2 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                my ex-wife tried to say I was unfit to see my daughter by saying i tried to kill myself in Iraq....
                The judge didnt buy it for a second.
                [–]ElectraUnderTheSea 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                Your big mistake was to confront her before having all the evidence, and before having consulted a lawyer. This last part you can still do while making her believe all is well. And no, no way on earth there is any recovery from this. You have showed your wife she can cheat on you and you will accept it even if it happens under your nose.
                And talk to your mom. Talk with someone who will support you. And for the love of all that is sacred (and for your children as well), please grow a pair and leave that woman.
                [–]forevertomorrowagain 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                She has shafted you badly. I really don't know how you have been able to control yourself.
                Plan the divorce now. Engineer situations in the mean time to suit your needs. (play dirty).
                Get your kids when you dump her. With her morals she is not equipped to teach kids anything.
                [–]Arcades 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                So, your wife cheats, convinces you to stay, convinces you to beg her back, convinces you that you will have to apologize and remain friends and hang out with her affair partner. Has she ever once apologized or showed remorse? No, of course not. She doesn't have a husband, she has a doormat.
                The kids may be hurt by the temporary adjustment, but kids adapt and two happy homes are always better than one broken home. Find your strength and a good divorce lawyer. I wouldn't be shocked if she was still finding ways to cheat on you.
                [–]--__--__---__--___-- 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                I don't quite understand why you keep referring to her as your wife instead of your ex-wife? You don't mean to tell me you're still married to this person?
                [–]sickoftheshell 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                Things die down for awhile, I still think about it constantly. I worry how can I keep from making her so unhappy that she cheats on me again.
                Your wife is a selfish fucked up bitch. She uses a moment of weakness from your past (your suicide attempt) to threaten to take your kids away. She manipulates your kids to be against you even if that isn't in their best interest. She is a liar. You work 60 hours a day to provide for her, she's home all day and all she can think of is to go fuck the neighbour and then blame it on you?
                You shouldn't be concerned to make her happy. Actually just ignore her. Let her cheat again. Gather as much evidence as you can. File for divorce and fight for custody. If she talks about your suicide, say she's lying. This time reccord everything.
                Seriously why would you even want that weak human being to be an influence in your kids lives?
                EDIT: I don't think it's right for people to be calling you weak. You need a reality check. The fact that you endured that for your kids is noble and shows you are responsible and selfless... but this time, you need to be a bit selfish and remove that awful person of your life. You deserve better.
                [–]EricaKaz 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                Apologies if this is brash, because she's your wife and I'm sure you love her, but what a bitch. It sounds like she has a good husband who loves and cares for her and her children. Then she cheats and turns around makes you the bad guy, that's the part that pisses me off. If you're gonna do something dumb, by all means do it. But take responsibility and be an adult, and don't use someone's children to make them miserable 😠😠
                [–]zhypeness 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
                "It was at that moment I realized she was going to drag the kids through hell if I left her so I swallowed my feelings and begged her to stay. She agreed and insisted that I apologize to our neighbor since we were still going to need to hang out with them because our sons are good friends. I hate it but I do it anyway, we still hang out with them from time to time and they come to our various birthday and holiday parties. But I'd do anything for my kids and I behave civil every time. Things die down for awhile, I still think about it constantly. I worry how can I keep from making her so unhappy that she cheats on me again. Then almost a year from the original incident, around Father's Day again, she send him pictures again. She claims it was an accident that she meant to send them to me instead. I don't fully believe her but I move on anyway."
                This part got me fucked up, you actually apologised to your neighbour and you invite them to parties? I know you want everything good for your kids but this is just ridicilous...
                [–]shmuladum 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
                SHE KILLED HIS KIDS.
                [–]zeporscheguy 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
                What's your point? I've read a couple dozen responses from various people to people that originally posted here 25 days ago, saying "she killed his kids". What's your point? Are you trying to say the people that responded to OP's request for advice are somehow to blame?
                [–]shmuladum 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                No. I was just telling them what happened. Thanks for assuming, though!
                [–]zeporscheguy 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
                Really? Go read the comments in this thread. Its literally someone responding to every post from 25 days ago, saying some version of "well, she killed his kids". Have some fucking tact.
                [–]FTbatscientists 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                Stop acting like a doormat and call a divorce lawyer to talk. Just calling them doesn't mean shit, but it will let you know of your options. Then call a therapist and make an appointment. Just leave work an hour early or during the day and talk to someone PROFESSIONAL.
                Your poor children are normalizing the abuse in your household and are doomed to repeat this bullshit in their future relationships if you don't GET THE FUCK OUT.
                [–]PhoneMistress 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                You poor guy. You got played ...hard.
                Ok, a couple of things. 1) The attempted suicide, was years ago and you sought treatment, etc., right? Then you're good. 2) Your work is suffering and you feel like whatever because your body is telling you that you made the wrong decision. As the breadwinner in the family you have to get right. 3) a) I suggest you familiarize yourself with parental alienation because that is what your wife will do when you leave. b) Start keeping a log (at work) of all the things you do for the kids. c) Get a PO BOX and open a new bank account to squirrel money away etc. d) Plan your freedom. 4) In case you missed it, you're leaving. This whole I am staying for the kids is BS. Kids are smart. They learn directly and indirectly. They take your non-verbal cues internalize them and repeat them within their own relationships. Now this last one is going to hurt. You will make arguments not to do it BUT you must. 5) Swab the kids. Make sure they are yours. I have seen this happen. In a fight the woman will say they aren't yours and you seem like the kind of guy who would stress over that kind of thing.
                Bottom line is you need to talk to someone. It's been 476 days and you are no better today than you were on Day 1. Clearly this is not working. Chat with someone you trust who has your best interest at heart, if need be chat with someone with no dog in the fight but talk it through with someone. Oh and stop having sex with your wife. The last thing you need right now is another kid. Last thing familiarize yourself with the laws in your state regarding legal separation, child support and custody. Then go to a lawyer to make certain you understand your rights. Last last thing: remember the person you divorce is NOT the person you married. Silence is your friend. Keep your mouth shut about what you are doing. Let it be a surprise. Good luck.
                [–]bigballer_status 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                You could do what Lester Burnham did, quit your job, start smoking weed, and fixate on a teenage cheerleader. It went mostly well for him. But I recommend getting a lawyer instead.
                [–]iammrswho 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                Please call a divorce attorney to see what your options are. Your wife should have told the children while you were there, this would have avoided "Daddy is mad at me" and your children upset and crying. You have no idea what she really said and how she said it. You may have more leverage than you may think.
                Edit: spelling
                [–]Incapaisa 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                We don't need a divorce attorney..here she will get custody..and that little tid bit of past sucide..even more so.. If he is the bread winner she will get half of his assets or more..and pay alimony.. If she is broke..he will have to pay for her attorney.. She shown she is willing to use the kids as a leverage piece.. No way he wins just cause he is male.. Suffer and keep her or lose out on everything ...
                [–]pingu3101[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                She is still cheating on you. And she will continue to do so. And whenever you will confront her, she will use the suicide thing and bend you to her will.
                [–]JDogg471 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                That is by far the worst thing I have ever read in my life. Furthermore...no disrespect, but I can't grasp how a grown man could be bullied like that.
                Call a lawyer man, get the hell away from her. Your kids will understand. Make sure to fight for them with custody.
                [–]Cooper0302 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                If this is the worst thing you have ever read in your life then don't read the updates. The wife murdered the kids.
                [–]C-c-c-cuckoldbreaker 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                Dude I'm sorry but get a lawyer and divorce this cunt of a woman. Why on earth you'd want to try to work this out is beyond me.
                [–]lionessssss 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                I wish you would grow a pair and leave her. Do you have no pride and self-worth? You even hang out with the old man who is fucking your wife. My God. Do you want your kids to grow up and tolerate someone who treats them like absolute shit? You're a weak doormat and you're setting a bad example.
                [–]zeporscheguy 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
                You aren't here for advice. You're here to get attention from internet strangers. The advice is clear. You know how to add antivirus software to a phone but don't know how to google "divorce attorneys in my area"? I don't buy it, on sale. I don't believe anything written in this post, especially the part where you begged her back and apologized to your neighbors, unless you are the most pathetic person ever.
                [–]Vrgom20 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                Looks like he was here for advice after all. Filed for divorce and then she killed his kids. He confirms it here.
                [–]eduardor2k 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Children go first, manipulative bitch goes later, I suggest too to contact a divorce lawyer in your area. He will guide you how to proceed.
                [–]zithax 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                Has anybody said get a lawyer yet? GET A FUCKING LAWYER. SHIT. And don't say a word about it to her. Remember you've got a spine and balls, don't let her hollow threats scare you. Stand up to her bullshit like a stonewall.
                [–]xMadDecentx 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                I'm sorry to hear about your situation, but you need to seek professional help. Talking on the internet helps, but seeing someone in a regular basis is much needed here. Good luck sir.
                [–]NCOSRane 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                You've learned an important lesson:
                Never confront a cheating spouse. Surprise her ass with an unexpected divorce after meeting with a lawyer, getting your case prepared, and having everything ready. Have your exit strategy down.
                At this point, meet a lawyer and plan your exit now. Figure out what your odds are with custody and your assets, realistically, and plan for the future. Don't talk to her about it. Don't ask her for a divorce. Just drop it on her. If you're not going to meet with a lawyer, meet with a hitman and start planning your alibi.
                [–]Dragonsblud 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Holy crap I feel for you. I hope you kept evidence. Talk to a divorce lawyer and go for full custody and therapy not just for you but the kids. Tell her it's between you and her and not to be a big C to the children. This obviously isn't going to settle anytime quick but if divorce and custody don't seem like an option therapy. And I'm something of an asshole I couldn't even look at your neighbor without dragging him down for it. Like constantly picking on what a pos he is for what he did when the kids weren't around. Telling the wife he's banging whoever else now behind his gfs back. Just ruin his day.nail in Tire shit.
                [–]innerrunway 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Life is too short to live like you are. It sounds like you don't want to be with your wife and you have good reasons not to. She's affecting your health, job, and overall life. That's an emotional terrorist if I've ever seen one - using kids and your past against you. By staying with this woman, you're not helping your children or yourself at all. It's hard to just put your mind to something in fear of losing anything. But the real thing is staying in it right now is a loss. It's not the same it never will be even if you fake it till you break it.
                You need to gather up all the evidence you told us all about. You need to make 2 hard copies of it. One for yourself and one for your lawyer. Make sure you have it backed up somewhere so it can't be destroyed. You talk to a lawyer about everything. You express your concerns about the duration you haven't done anything. You tell him it's affecting your job, livelihood, your household, and your health (very important). You tell him about your past so she can't use it against you and he can try to find a way that it can't taint your image.
                You be 1000% upfront. I wish you the best of luck OP.
                [–]aaronimpact 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                You're better off without the bitch.
                [–]republic_of_gary 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                You won't properly cope until you are not in that relationship and not regularly hanging out with a guy who's watched your wife finger herself at best and fucked her in your bed at worst. Take one step out the door and repeat.
                [–]Chosen_one184 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Leave, leave, leave .. file for divorce .. use her infidelity as your get out of hell clause and then demand custody of the kids or joint custody. No judge will deny you this
                [–]An_imnioch_duine 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                My friend,
                You must immediately gather all the evidence you have collected against your wife and neighbour and bring it to a divorce lawyer. Don't tell anyone, and do it immediately. Yes, your kids will be distraught that daddy is leaving but over time they will forgive you - you did nothing wrong.
                If you go through with this the next few days, weeks and months will be rough for you. I'm sure you have good friends and family to help you through.
                Godspeed, AID.
                [–]Zahne1977 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Holy shit. Call a lawyer and plan your escape while she isn't expecting it.
                [–]Akill3s 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Get a lawyer ASAP!!!!! Be smart, act as if nothing is going on. Let the lawyer do the work for you. I guess you got the money for it since you do programming and such. See this as your next challenge in life. Do it for your kids, they will understand in the future, trust me! Don't involve the kids in any dispute, if she does let her but don't get angry in front of them! Act calm and start thinking about a new life without a cheating, disparaging wife. Don't ever get run over by a woman. Also, join the Redpill movement to gain back your powers. It's a subreddit on Reddit. Your life as a married blue pill man has clearly weakened you. So, get a lawyer, gather more evidence (pictures, text messages and so on), act cool and carefree, but be careful with taking GPS locations, you don't want to be conceived as a stalker. When you got evidence (you already do have some) and talked to a lawyer, file for a divorce. You have to show your kids the right way from the start my friend. Please don't let her run over you and destroy the next coming years in your life! I promise you that if you wait long enough she will be the one filing for divorce making you severely more depressed compared to now. Get strong man i really really mean it!!
                [–]naked_avenger 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Honestly, I had some mean shit here but a coworker interrupted me, which lead to me chilling out a bit.
                So I'll just say this: contact a lawyer. Get divorced. Don't allow that dude back over. Your kids will be fine - there are a lot of us who have survived just fine with divorced parents.
                All you're doing is making yourself exceedingly unhappy, if not suicidal again, and creating excuses to justify this. Just stop, do what's right for you, and contact that lawyer.
                [–]Sauronsballs 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Your marriage ended 476 days ago. You need to get out.
                [–]Cmikhow 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Man... this is awful. You need to get out of this situation, I hope you have saved these messages and pictures. Go talk to a lawyer, see what can be done. Don't trap yourself in this situation for your kids.
                This is terrible, she 100% cheated on you, and is an absolutely horrible person. Do you honestly want to live the rest of your life like this? You need to get out of this situation man. Please. You're letting her walk all over you.
                [–]Janemba_Corvalis 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                If I was you I would have beat the shit out of that guy right then and there and left that bitch in the past.
                [–]Justin_T_Credible 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Wow...tough situation but it's not going to get any better unless you leave her. The kids will be better off not being around that toxic situation...Man the fuck up!
                [–]rm4m 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Oh dear god. If I went through this shit, there'd be a dead neighbor buried in my backyard. All jokes aside, I feel for you bro, and I can't fathom how you must have felt over the past 476 days. It seems your wife didn't even feel all that remorseful, she just guilt tripped you into keeping her. Fuck dude, idk if i'm in any position to give any advice, but dump that bitch man. Fuck this story is so fucked. It's been a year and a bit, maybe your kids are older and can understand a divorce, i'd fight for custody if I were you, you have the evidence prepared to do so. Good luck man, fuck that bitch.
                [–]CreepinDeep 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Your friend is not wrong. Try it out. Hit me up if you need help with that. I'm sorry what you're going through.
                [–]MaddogOIF 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                This needs to be brought up again, and you need to start recording your environment. Record everything she says, and does, and use it against her. Normally I would not recommend anything like this as it's not the "adult" way to handle things. But at this point it seems to be the only way to combat her manipulation and abuse. Don't kid yourself, that's exactly what this is.
                [–]mdiggity38 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                I have never experienced what you are going through, but my parents did have a messy divorce, so I can kinda speak to how your kids might be feeling. All that they want is for you and their mom to be happy. They want to see you in love, and for you to have someone who you can trust. I don't think that raising them in an environment where there isn't any trust or love with two parents is any better than having them live in two separate places with happier parents. Hope that you are able to be happy again.
                [–]Lainie_Hypnotherapy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                I dont know what to say that other people haven't. Consult a divorce lawyer, maybe seek therapy for you (and your wife if she'll agree to it). You sound like a great dad who does not deserve to be shackled to such a manipulative woman. I can't believe she'd put the children in the middle when everything was her fault. I'm sorry you're dealong with this. Good luck
                [–]fatclouds69 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                I just want to say I am so sorry you're going/ went through this man. That was so selfish of her. You're out there busting your ass for your family and she has the audacity to do that!? Unreal man. I wish you nothing but the best. Don't go through this alone. You need to find refuge in someone or something.
                [–]swillhite 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Staying in a marriage for the sake of the kids never works out.
                [–]canders0424 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                You need lawyer little bit of counsling to help prolly and keep a copy head and go divorce and grt away from me sure kids now there awesome
                [–]Ozzie_Bloke 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                She obviously was sleeping with him and then got you to apologise to him, she denied it all she will put you throw the ringer when you divorce but you should do it. Chances are she now has a second phone or an email address to talk to him. Your wife is vicious and toxic, you need to decide if you divorce her now or when your kids have moved out. The sooner the better
                [–]wordsarecheap 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Couples counseling at least would be a good idea. However I read the whole story, seems legit reasons for divorce. There are a few things that concern me...
                One question, why do you think she wants to stay with you? Do you think she feels there is a relationship worth saving? As a stay at home mom she will probably have a pretty good case in a divorce, unless you have some sort of prenuptial that will limit what she gets in a split. In your story it sounds like she really doesn't have much interest or respect for you or the relationship. So what do you think she is getting out of playing hardball and trying to stay together?
                You mention that you are afraid she will purposely make things very awkward or ugly or scarring with the kids on purpose. If you really believe this is something she is capable of doing that's a trait that suggests maybe she shouldn't be in charge of the kids full time. It's a pretty ugly accusation, and if it's true or not it's telling to me that you if you feel she could burden her children for her own purposes. That's not someone you can live with or respect. Not saying it's not true, just pointing out how much this stuck out to me.
                Your trust with her has been broken, but if this isn't something you can move past, and it seems you've given it a real shot, then it is probably time to end things. You seem like a smart guy, you can figure out how to meet with a lawyer without her finding out. Leave your phone at work if she is tracking you.
                Believe in God was probably your friends way of saying "Holy shit I'm sorry but I don't even know where to begin." If you have any friends you are going to have to tell people anyway, there might get be someone else who know you both well enough to help provide perspective. Maybe do that after taking to a lawyer though.
                If you really want to give a last ditch effort to hold things together counseling is worth a shot though.
                [–]pinkey 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                It's understandable that you want to keep your children out of this mess and spare them the heartbreak and mental abuse from their mother. But honestly you're setting a bad example of what's acceptable in a relationship and that can permanently warp their perspective on what a loving marriage should be.
                Print off the texts, take them to an attorney. Don't tell her anything about it because then you'll be stuck in the same position you are in now. Find an attorney near a restaurant and order something to go. That way you bring home food and she won't be suspicious of your wareabouts.
                It's a shit situation, your kids are going to get their hearts broken but they will get over it. You can do this.
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