9/11 attacks. I need help.

scottpid · 18時間前

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Solution68 · 20時間前

Speaking as a student, I would pick a different topic. Your professor has his opinion and has made it obvious that he doesn't respect people who disagree. Your grade may suffer as a result.

teddyroughrider · 21時間前

From my perspective, this isn't the place for rehashing that discussion. If I were in your position, I would do it on something that I'm interested in from an engineering perspective, that you will learn something from, and that is as far away from politics or conspiracy theories as possible.

And shame on your professor for bringing that discussion into the engineering classroom, especially in the disrespectful manner in which you described.

Shanix · 20時間前

Much like when you accidentally entered the girls' bathroom, just back the fuck outta that topic and find something else to do.

Yuktobania · 15時間前

Here's a video of a blacksmith totally debunking the "Jet fuel can't melt steel beams" myth.

bdubbs09 · 20時間前

Arguing your perspective outside of the class is fine but when you try to prove your point with someone that is an authority on your grades and has a very strong stance against your perspective, it's a formula for a bad grade and might impact your grade further down the line. I'd suggest a different topic

nipplepotamus · 17時間前

Nope the fuck right outta that project and go for Plan B

gee92 · 18時間前

This is going to happen multiple times throughout life, called going with the flow, or swimming against the current. If you want to focus on 9/11 you have 2 choices and multiple but somewhat predictable outcomes.

Agree with your professor, inside job.
Possible outcomes are, you get an A, good job. Another is your teacher is M. Night Shamylan and tells you it was a test, you get an F. Another is your professor is using his students as an agenda confront political parties about it, you get caught up in it, and you are now publicly a denier. "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." -Kurt Vonnegut
Disagree inside job. You probably might fail because he can argue your resources are terrible, like how teachers say wikipedia is bad.

I would just agree, been in situations like this, thought I would show effort over content to get a grade, nope. We had a debate assignment in high school, pro-life/pro-choice. Chose pro-choice, tons of research, quotes, science, talk about quality of life, etc. Prolife goes, "uhh it's against the bible." That was their argument. They got an A, I got a C, because they won the popular vote of the class.

Personally about 9/11, I think it is still a mystery. Not saying an inside job. I think some crazier shit went down that day, because some science adds up, some is left in the dark, you can educate me further as I just researched this in high school, I personally don't care already. I just think a story was needed, and a story was told, maybe it was all true, maybe not at all.

WonderWheeler · 17時間前

Architect here, its not unreasonable for a steel building to fail in a fire if the fire protection is damaged. It takes an hour or so, but its predictable. Steel doesn't have to be red hot for it to lose strength. Some columns buckle and if there enough heavy floors above the fire area, a progressive collapse happens. Once the first floor slips, rapid pancaking can happen.

The only thing unpredictable, is that it went straight down, fairly cleanly. Osama Bin Laudin expected it to fall over and hit other buildings and was disappointed it didn't.

doradius · 17時間前

Funny, at my uni, my professors were teaching us it was no inside job and it was due to the steel beams being weakened by the fire.

MultiBoomBoomMan · 18時間前

If you really wanted, pick a similar concept (or event) that meets the same end goal of proving what you want. You'll get a grade dependent upon how well you do your work, and the professor might like it enough to give you a good grade.

The trick becomes proving that it isn't a tinfoil conspiracy without ever even mentioning 9/11. (Prove the concepts and topics in a different scenario).

1Ender · 15時間前

I would not argue it simply because some people that want to believe in conspiracy theories generally think they themselves must be smarter than the average person, bringing them contradictory evidence to this does not generally resolve without friction. However for the sake of science:

Yes jet fuel won't melt steel beams, but you don't need them to melt you need them to become malleable, and in such have the weight distribution of the tower be thrown off.
The government can't keep anything secret for very long. The idea that they could put in explosives in the tower without someone telling is crazy -Not to mention the fact that there were explosive sniffing dogs all over the building after the 1991 attempt.- Remember when they killed Osama? Pretty much right after you had 3 DEVGRU guys writing books claiming it was them that shot him. Remember Snowden? Remember Abu Gharab? Remember Benghazi? The goverment can't keep secrets worth shit.
If there was a way that the government was complicit it would be in their failure to look at the warning signs and their continued support of wahhabist Saudis, even in the face of them providing material support to the hijakers. If anything thats a much more interesting "conspiracy theory."

CaptainNapalm22 · 10時間前

Here's the deal. Obviously, your professor is completely irrational and grades based on personal opinion regardless of your content. If you really care about your grade (which I personally wouldn't in this situation), just make up some crap about it being an inside job. What I would REALLY like to see you do, is do your presentation about it NOT being an inside job, and make it the best damn presentation you've ever done, complete with extensive research, fact checking, and sources. If he fails you because he "doesn't like your opinion", take it up with whoever is in charge.

BrtTrp · 7時間前

There should be enough compelling evidence from credible sources explaining how it was not an inside job. Make the best presentation you could possibly make showing that evidence. If you get a low grade; so be it, you didn't bend over. If you get a failing grade, take it up higher.

Neurorational · 18時間前

Forgetting materials science for a moment:

It obviously was an inside job because hijackers were inside the cockpits flying the airplanes.

If "inside job" means demolition charges (despite the airplanes flying into the building) then:

It obviously wasn't an inside job because if it was an inside job it would have been made to look less like an inside job. Why would conspirators want the buildings pancake down "neatly" and suspiciously?

Perhaps you could just address that aspect of it, "why does an inside job look like such an obvious inside job?" and do an analysis of what it would take to knock the buildings over sideways after being hit by the airplanes.inside

throwawaybobettte · 15時間前

http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.htm

I just read this today and it fits this situation adequately. The world is filled with these pseudoscientists who fit their findings to their hypothesis and ignore the things going against their hypothesis. Best thing to do is a completely unrelated topic and avoid putting your opinion about what happened on 9/11 into your project. No matter what you say, the prof will have his opinion, and you will have yours.

But then, I've always been the type, where if a person who has strong religious affiliations and made a statement pertaining to the age of the universe or about how they believe that men and dinosaurs lived together- I'd say "cool man" and change the subject. I never wanted to hear their opinion, so I'm sure as shit they didn't want to hear mine.

Now, those students who made a project agreeing with him are exactly the type of people who I hate in school. Throwing away your integrity and beliefs to get marks, wow.

incredibolox · 18時間前

¡Hey! Me dieron un buen Meng en Ciencia de los Materiales e Ingeniería, y un BSc. en Ingeniería Mecánica. En mi quinto año profesor Materiales presentó un estudio de caso similar, sin embargo, mientras que reconoció al otro lado del debate, mantuvo Que la figuras como vio que no podía refutar la hipótesis nula (Era terroristas).

Actualmente no puedo encontrar su presentación finalidad Lamentablemente voy a buscar más!

(También) Creo que sería absolutamente bien para dar cuenta de las dos caras Unbiased si la dirección Su punto y dar una presentación razonada, no dogmático de los hechos. Se puede concluir que "el tema es digno de debate, especialmente si se inspiró a una generación de ingenieros". Su profesor deberías ser feliz con eso.

Podría comentar atrás con revisa algunos de los principales argumentos que habían, oro Tal vez un enlace a una copia de su presentación? Gracias!

(I'm Irish) Hey! I got a good MEng in Materials Science and Engineering, and a BSc. in Mechanical Engineering. In 5th year my Materials professor presented a similar case study, however while he acknowledged the other side of the discussion, he maintained that the figures as he saw it couldn't disprove the null hypothesis (it was terrorists).

I can't currently find his presentation unfortunately but I will search more!

(ALSO) I think you'd be absolutely okay to give an unbiased account of both sides if you address their points and give a reasoned, non-opinionated presentation of the facts. You can conclude that "the subject is worthy of debate, especially if it inspires a generation of engineers". Your professor should be happy with that.

Could you comment back with some of the main arguments they had, or perhaps a link to a copy of their presentation? Thanks!

ithinkiamaps · 14時間前

Have you gone to the head of the department and reported your professor's unprofessional behavior? A material science professor should be teaching material science, not opinions. If anything, your professor needs to be neutral on the topic. I may be mistaken, but I don't believe university professors are supposed to express opinions like that in a classroom setting.

fleker2 · 17時間前

Sometimes when students disagree with a professor there's a discussion in class about it. However, at the end of the day your Professor gives the grade and that's who you'll have to present to.

Hopefully your Professor is willing to grade based on content and not ideas. In high school my sister and her friend debated on abortion. My sister's argument was stronger though it conflicted with the teacher's opinion, so she won.

Neurorational · 14時間前

Naturally you don't want to risk your grades but it's tempting to make the entire presentation:

"It is obvious the WTC collapses were an inside job."

You don't need any supporting evidence because "it's obvious".

GrillMaster71 · 14時間前

Well from a materials standpoint, no...jet fuel cant melt steel beams. But it can heat them up to the point that they bend from the weight and break. You don't need to melt metal for it to deform

javier-444 · 13時間前

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throwawaypornatme · 13時間前

Im going to throw some fuel into the fire, and mention Building 7, wich wasnt hit by a plane, and yet it dropped just as fast.

Also, there was no mention of it in the "The 9/11 Commission Report"

Mentioned_Videos · 12時間前

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CPCivil · 11時間前

Huh, I had a lab in my steel design class where we talked about progressive collapse in high rise buildings. The Twin Towers were used as an example. With most of the central columns taken out, the remaining exterior columns become overloaded. As the beams begin to heat up, they lose their strength and eventually fail. Once the weight of the upper portion drops onto the floors below, it's like a domino effect.

XmodAlloy · 11時間前

While the professor may be right or wrong, the facts on the subject are muddled to the point of illegibility due to conspiracy theorists and their many pages of posted material. The problem becomes "facts" that are posted on both sides which are not truly facts. Knowing what happened for certain requires a knowledge of what the reality of the situation was. 9/11 research simply doesn't give this ability due to the plethora of narrowly researched internet articles on the subject.

Just to be clear, I do suspect it was an inside job. However, I also recognize the reasons I suspect this may not be true. This I cannot say for certain one way or the other... And I've done a LOT of research on it. The problem is the huge amount of contradictory information.

lolzinventor · 6時間前

The sad truth is that it's impossible to know for sure. either way.

Bristol_Aero_Student · 4時間前

Pick another famous event and claim it was an inside job. Claim Tacoma narrows was an inside job.

SpiderOnTheInterwebs · 3時間前

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskEngineers/comments/33tl74/how_did_the_wtc_north_tower_top_section_fall_and/cqplmln/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/33uvlp/top_mind_911_truther_goes_to_raskengineers_and/cqqgmy8/

Zodiack · 37分前

Heavily disappointed to see the major response to this has been telling you that you should just accept what your teacher is saying and worry about your grades.

Education isn't about grades. Its about learning, and this professor is not teaching. If offering a contradicting point of view is going to negatively impact your grade, then compile evidence of the fact and go over your professor's head. This is your opportunity to improve the learning environment for yourself, your classmates, and the students who will come after you.

I honestly cannot believe that the overwhelming response to this has been to just "lay low" and deal with it. It isn't even a massive risk to do the presentation saying it wasn't an inside job. All you're doing is arguing that other outside factors may have influenced the material strength of the building's support.

I only hope that those of you who clearly lack backbone will shape up by the time you enter the industry, because you may end up endangering lives otherwise.

AntiparticleCollider · 19時間前

It's hard when a professor has beliefs that do not align with yours. My advice is don't get upset about it. It's very hard to change someone's point of view, especially if they are in a position of a authority over you. I had an atmospheric physics Prof who denied climate change. You can still learn a lot from them, just don't argue their beliefs

draculauras · 21時間前

Good luck. Be very careful with the subject. It's touchy.

algar32 · 19時間前

No point in disagreeing with a professor who is obviously set in his ways. You are there to get a grade, not change his world view. Make the smart choice here.

Ligaco · 18時間前

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams. Ezpz full grade.

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