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[–]amundae 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok what the hell /u/spez !? Up till now I thought all the crap was just more T_D BS. Now you flaunt that it is true in front of the whole world. I even kind of liked you and trusted you. What the shit man. Goodbye reddit! I am leaving now, this is the bale of straw that broke this camel's back.

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    [–]EpicBeardMan 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    This is a private website, this has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It's just an admin run amok.

    [–]greeddit 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Fuck /u/spez

    [–]TheMysteriousFizzyJWhat's Next? 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Same thing happens on Facebook. FB doesn't bother telling you though. Usually they just delete your post, even on your own profile, when says things clearly, provably against the current narrative. Annoyed me.

    [–]PM_ME_YOUR_SENATORS 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Here's something weird. When I proposed to my wife we posted a bunch of pictures on Facebook about the day, a few hours later, Facebook AUTOMATICALLY changed our relationship status to engaged. It was really fucking strange.

    [–]EvilPhd666Progressive Exile 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Maybe this is /u/spez way of reaching out for help?

    'member Facebook, and YouTube when they came out and now it's becoming more and more crap as investors clamp down?

    He has suits hanging over his head. Maybe I'm playing devil's advocate here. Is reddit being threatened by millions of dollars worth of PR, marketing, and propaganda firms?

    Major investors have far more control over a product than most like to admit and sometimes force changes that degrade the product to further their own financial, political, and selfish aims. Usually at the cost of the consumer. That might work in the short term, but long term it only builds resentment and before you know it your baby has become EA and Comcast. As they say how much more do they want? Enough is enough. Hell I'll be happy if I can have a consistent return. Why does it always have to be more more more?

    Reddit isn't well. We've tried Reddit Gold to meet the demand, but it seems like it was all superficial and the big dollars won out. Things have changed.

    Help us help you /u/spez .

    [–]AgateBasin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Read the fallout chat on slack and tell me if you think he's really 'reaching out for help'? More like looking for an excuse...

    http://archive.is/ZmULb

    [–]ERASERHEAD666 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Why does everyone think everything is a subliminal message all of a sudden?

    [–]EvilPhd666Progressive Exile -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    In a way it is. It's designed to interpret pictures, titles, main comments, and develop word associations and match those up with similar associations across your feed.

    Do it yourself. Analyze the pictures on your front page. Colors, objects, words associated with those. Same for the titles. I've found it seems to be designed to match things within 1 page or closely so. It is also why things stay so stubbornly long at the top. The algorithm is designed to be an echo chamber on purpose.

    This is designed to increase clicks because if you are already thinking of it, then you are more likely to click on those links, which increases the chances of you falling for an ad in some form.

    What are people saying in those spez links? Fall of reddit. Step down. Is it any coincidence that millions of dollars are being spent on "investors" in one way or another to game this site and social media in general?

    Pizzagate threatened people. Talk of the elite pedo group would invariably cross one of those investors.

    There is big money in this industry of manipulating social media now and we can expect more of it.

    EDIT:

    I thought this was to another comment, but I'm going to leave it as it's somewhat relevant.

    [–]PM_ME_YOUR_SENATORS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/pizzagate

    [–]Jellyra_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Seriously, help us help you spez. If this is the case, which is very possible, I can only imagine the immeasurable weight on your shoulders.

    [–]ikilledtupac 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's no big deal cuz he said it's not

    [–]GameraaaaBernie Lesbro - #FreeJulian 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

    People are gilding Spez for his comments - what a waste of money.

    [–]BLKVooDoo2 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He is probably guilding himself. Remember, he has the power to just put the gold star on there.

    [–]jonseagull 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Are they though? Honestly, can we even trust that he didn't fire up a +10 to gold for this post database edit to try to sway people into saying "well, good for him for admitting it"?

    [–]Day_Bow_Bow 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I often have that thought on these admin posts that get gilded but don't seem to really deserve it.

    Did they do that themselves? Or maybe it was it other Reddit admins that can hand out gold for free? I mean, the database stores which user gilds which posts, and obviously spez has access to that database.

    What better way to brown-nose the boss than to put your name down as publically supporting them on controversial issues?

    [–]GameraaaaBernie Lesbro - #FreeJulian 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    God how embarrassing if he did.

    [–]RUacronym 7ポイント8ポイント  (17子コメント)

    Why is this in r/WayOfTheBern? What does this have to do with Bernie?

    [–]chrisman01 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Ever wonder how so many posts in /r/all or other political subreddits were almost completely pro-hillary, while Bernie or Trump supporters were laughed away?

    Ever tried to respond to someone in a political debate and your comments never appeared? (this happened to me a few times)

    What if those weren't actual users, and were admins manipulating comments alongside paid shills posting honeypot comments to control the discussion?

    What if the admins use this power to inject illegal content into your comments to have evidence to ban you, or simply change your comment when you're not looking? You'd never know, you don't get notified and there's no asterisk to signify an edit.

    Just a few hours ago this would be seen as crazy conspiracy. Now we can't tell what's legit and who's manipulating subreddit communities. They can edit, remove, or hide comments without telling you.

    Hopefully they haven't been doing much, if any, of the above. But we literally can't know anymore. Mods have caught them manipulating comments, and there's no evidence unless the admin admits it, like spez idiotically did.

    [–]BLKVooDoo2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is absolutely correct. We have no idea if anything on reddit is credible anymore. Past, present, or future. Every word on reddit now carries no weight, because we now know for a fact that posts can be altered without any knowledge of who, when, or where.

    Reddit just signed it's death warrant.

    [–]NetWeaselSCContinuing the Struggle 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hi there!

    This appears to be your first posting in here. Why don't you take a further look around, and check the place out.

    [–]10gauge[S] 37ポイント38ポイント  (13子コメント)

    This has to do with every sub on Reddit. What spez just did undermines the integrity of reddit and the confidence of every user. What if you posted something that an administrator doesn't like...so they change it...and then they go deep into your history and put CP in your history...and then notify the FBI of your disgusting activities...hypothetical? Yes. Possible? Spez just proved it.

    [–]TheMysteriousFizzyJWhat's Next? 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    How can we be sure that u/10gauge really thinks that this changes the integrity of reddit? What if /u/10gauge is really in favor of spez changing things? gah!

    [–]10gauge[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Uh...what?

    [–]TheMysteriousFizzyJWhat's Next? 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    My lame attempt at a joke.

    If spez is editing comments, then you can't take anything anyone says on reddit at face value. Like, whether we agree with spez editing comments.

    [–]10gauge[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Ah, got it. I'll check back and see if any of my comments have been edited!

    [–]TheMysteriousFizzyJWhat's Next? 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's unlikely they have been. spez has more important things to do, like refute being a pedophile or bribed

    [–]EricHill78 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Do all admins have this capability and are there examples where this has been done in the past?

    [–]Marry_Sue_Wars 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's the thing. We now know at least one admin, has the ability to modify, hide, edit, etc peoples commits with admitting to doing so. There is no way of knowing if other mods or workers at Reddit have the same power, or if it is just Spez... now that this has happened there is no way of knowing who said what on the entire site, throughout all of reddit's history... so you're comment could be easily edited to "I love spez" and my whole comment can just be hid/deleted/edited to "I <3 Trump".... Spez's admitted to do doing exactly that, and it creates a precedent that no comment can be trusted to be what the OP actually said on the entirety of reddit and throughout all of reddits history of hundreds of thousands of users' posts.

    No one knows, that's exactly why this is a problem.

    [–]mistergosh 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Reddit is still a service you're using for free. Don't take it for granted, be mindful that owners can be dicks and don't bank on it being perfect. If it goes to shit, migrate to a different platform. If there is none, try to support people who can build one.

    [–]BillBarilko5 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

    He should go the way of ms pao

    [–]EvilPhd666Progressive Exile 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They'll just send him off on a multi million golden parachute and replace him with some other stooge that is more than willing to sell out for shills, PR Firms, marketing firms, and other sorts of propagandists.

    [–]endprism 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sue his way to the top?

    [–]pullupgirlS4P & KFS Refugee 42ポイント43ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Look at what else they did. Trying to find ways to ban pizzagate. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ekdy9/the_admins_are_suffering_from_low_energy_have/dad3evq/

    Jesus H tap dancing Christ.

    [–]Jellyra_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

    A link to there here? I love the brotherhood in this subreddit. This thread has been a breath of fresh air to me today.

    [–]pullupgirlS4P & KFS Refugee 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    We constantly crosspost from TD and other subs :P Just cause most of us are Bernie supporters, doesn't mean we automatically hate anything dealing with Trump. You should look around and see if you like it here, we have regular Trump supporters posting around here, they can tell ya first hand that we are an open minded and welcoming group. As long as you aren't an asshole, we welcome everyone. And the mods never remove posts or ban users.

    [–]Jellyra_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I never come here, so thanks for filling me in! This truly is a great place.

    [–]BLKVooDoo2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Trump supporter here. I enjoy Bernie fans. We share a disdain for political elite.

    [–]Auch999Pray For Assange! 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Everyone should see this^.

    [–]pullupgirlS4P & KFS Refugee 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

    We all knew the closure was straight up lies, especially after the mods bent over backwards to follow their rules, and after the admins banned the sub, they refused to give mods any proof of wrong doing.

    Makes you wonder what the hell else has been edited or removed without our knowledge, or under false accusations.

    [–]pullupgirlS4P & KFS Refugee 56ポイント57ポイント  (8子コメント)

    This is the CEO for christsakes. Who cares if they call you a pedophile? The previous CEO was called a dictator and other nasty shitty daily for weeks, she never abused her power of authority like this.

    4 major takeaways from this little "prank":

    1. Given more credence to the claims that the admins are censoring and manipulating reddit for their own agendas.

    2. Kicked the hornets nest of the most active sub, the same sub that contains members that already hated him before this.

    3. Brought more attention to pizzagate, ironic since he was trying to do the opposite.

    4. Proved that the admins can edit things without us detecting it (unless someone happens to notice it like now).

    I am seriously in awe that he thought this was a good idea. Is there seriously no checks and balances over there?

    [–]TheMysteriousFizzyJWhat's Next? 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    he's as thin skinned as donald and clinton

    that's very thin skin

    they live in a bubble so they don't usually have people criticize them like lately

    it hurts more when it's true

    [–]celtic_thistlesave me a seat in hell 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow, I never thought I'd live to see the day that Pao wasn't thoroughly demonized in every single comment. What a wild ride 2016 has been.

    [–]Auch999Pray For Assange! 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

    1st news article on this: http://www.businessinsider.de/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-modifies-donald-trump-the-donald-2016-11

    https://archive.fo/iokTR

    [–]chickenpeak 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

    We at /r/OurPresident condemn the actions of the Reddit Admin(s) involved. The idea that comments and potentially up/down-votes can and likely have been edited to suit a certain narrative is deeply disturbing, and a betrayal of the basic premise of Reddit - the exercise of free speech and open sharing of ideas.

    Reddit needs a neutral third party audit to ensure that admins have not been overstepping their bounds as caretakers to our community.

    [–]sirserniebanders 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Couldn't users take screenshots of their comments and include a link? It could be Photoshopped, but that's a lot more effort.

    [–]xjvz 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It would be more secure to cryptographically sign your posts. That way only the person with access to the private key can sign the post, and if the signature doesn't match the contents, you know it's been tampered with.

    [–]SaveAHumanEatACow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Couldn't they just go back and change all the keys you posted, using their own key?

    [–]sirserniebanders 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Is there easy-to-use technology available like this? As a layperson, I'd have no idea where to start.

    [–]xjvz 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I've always used gpg. They have versions for all operating systems (Mac version, Windows version, other OSes just use the normal version plus a GUI), and there are definitely some browser addons out there for integrating with gpg (typically used with webmail).

    Here is an introductory guide on using GPG with Thunderbird/IceDove. I can probably answer specific questions if you have any.

    [–]sirserniebanders 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is super interesting, I'll have to read up on it tomorrow, thanks. I was envisioning some kind of 'tag' at the end of every comment that people can click on for proof that the comment is unedited.

    [–]Auch999Pray For Assange! 91ポイント92ポイント  (17子コメント)

    Comment of the day:

    "For the sake of some petty revenge, the CEO of Reddit has destroyed not only his own credibility but the entire credibility and trustworthiness of his website. What it means is that every time any one is ever accused of saying or doing something on Reddit, we can resonably claim that our post was edited by the admins to make us look bad. The genie is out of the bottle, Reddit will literally never be the same again. /u/spez has in one fell swoop BTFOd his own website, for eternity." - u/allcomplete

    [–]pullupgirlS4P & KFS Refugee 48ポイント49ポイント  (8子コメント)

    They aren't wrong at all. So many people have known that reddit can be manipulated, and this is proof. It also makes it look like pizzagate had some merit, especially since they were caught unmuting really bad users that were posting PII.

    The only way they can even attempt to save face is to have Spez step down, but I doubt it will completely fix it.

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      [–]pullupgirlS4P & KFS Refugee 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Keep telling yourself that. It's already being picked up by MSM, spez royally fucked up.

      [–]976811 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Even Donald Trump made a tweet about it already

      [–]Auch999Pray For Assange! 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Do you refer to this? It's not on his twitter ... which means it was fabricated by someone ... maybe it was put there by ... spez?!

      [–]976811 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Wow I'm an idiot lol, just realized that's not his actual Twitter account.

      [–]untildeath 31ポイント32ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Unreal, how mature are these people that can't handle some verbal insults. Sounds like someone went to one of those "no dodge-ball, everybody is a winner" schools.

      [–]Kraz_I 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, people who can't take criticism shouldn't be allowed to run large organizations.

      [–]MaggieNoodle 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Okay well it sounds like it was far, far more than just 'some verbal insults'. Even on the Internet, words can start to break through after a while. He's probably received consistent hate on that account for months now.

      [–]untildeath 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I don't know. He'd have been wiser just to hire somebody to handle his account for him or set up a bot that auto-replied to the meaningless insults. It's hard to imagine him handling this worse except for maybe recording a video where he screams and cries about it.

      [–]MaggieNoodle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah he handled it terribly, but I can see how he finally snapped. We're all human, and he might've done it fully aware of the consequences but he just didn't care anymore.

      [–]nerv01 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh man that's fucking perfect! A CEO can't handle a little online shit? What kind of spinelessness does it take to be such a coward? He's sitting there in his chair staring at his collection of participation trophies and thinking his opinion is the only one that matters. Last time I checked, this was America, where you still have the right to hold an unpopular opinion.

      [–]SonOfFunkWeAreMonkeywrenchGang 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

      And he has singlehandedly verified every conspiracy theory on t_d, true or not

      [–]clamence1864 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This times a thousand. They are up in arms over there.

      [–]SonOfFunkWeAreMonkeywrenchGang 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Mods, any plan to reconvene off Reddit if we get blown up or compromised by spez et al

      [–]SpudDKONWARD! :D 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Wayofthebern.com will point somewhere. Currently, it points here.

      [–]SmartAleqDK/KFS/???/Profit! 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Might I suggest a message board? vBulletin is cheap and the board/forum/thread format can support a lot of traffic assuming the web host is reasonably good. Put up a front page for news and the like but have forums available--makes properly threaded discussions very feasible and allows for a lot of opinion and traffic and subject matter. Just a thought, but if we're gonna craft a political revolution we're going to need a good open spot to hash out the details--one that can be effectively moderated and community policed.

      [–]SpudDKONWARD! :D 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Sure. I'm looking at a few, and looking really hard at InVision.

      [–]SonOfFunkWeAreMonkeywrenchGang 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Awesome. Well, we'll keep red pilling as many here as we can until we finally jump ship. It was bound to happen... not even the power of turtles can prevent slime ball tech execs from messing with their brave new world.

      [–]RuffianGhostHorseOur Beating Heart 💜 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Seconded, Son...

      [–]SonOfFunkWeAreMonkeywrenchGang 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Looks like we'll need it, judging by how many panicking Reddit managers there are fucking with us out on the open and vote brigading (guess those pedo defenders should self ban)

      [–]Auch999Pray For Assange! 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's all potentially compromised now. https://archive.fo/TeFVi

      [–]bonkbonkbonkbonk 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

      first time they have admitted it

      [–]chickenpeak 42ポイント43ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Upvotes exploded for this post, but then stalled at about the same time as all of the same posts in "other discussion." Can upvotes be edited or "paused" too?

      [–]captainzoomer 44ポイント45ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Yup. Admins like u/spez have complete control of the narrative and can change algorithms at will.

      [–]chickenpeak 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I don't mean to bring out the proverbial tinfoil hat on this one, but the stall definitely happened, however it might be explained. Given this news, and what's going on at /r/politics, that wouldn't be surprising at all

      [–]intercede007 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Vote backlog increased. Load isn't a conspiracy.

      http://www.redditstatus.com/

      [–]StopWastingMyOxygen 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

      That's pretty childish, i'm surprised they even interact with the community this way. Their interaction should only be in announcment posts.

      [–]nerv01 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's a good way of putting it. I have no clue why the CEO would even want to be on this site or make Their username public. It's a best case scenario that he's just a fucking child with thin skin and a worse case scenario the site and compromised and tinfoil hat wearers were right the whole time. Fuck.

      [–]SonOfFunkWeAreMonkeywrenchGang 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Childish, or coordination with their CTR financiers

      [–]celtic_thistlesave me a seat in hell 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Is CTR even still active? What would be the purpose? Genuinely curious.

      [–]eldankus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      To continue pushing an agenda. You think Hillary is the only one with a narrative to sell? Once the apparatus is set up why would you disband it? It makes much more sense to shift gears and wait for a new employer.

      [–]GameraaaaBernie Lesbro - #FreeJulian 30ポイント31ポイント  (21子コメント)

      If you still use Reddit.

      1. Put on Ad Blocker
      2. Don't buy Reddit gold
      3. Buy real gold, legal tender is worthless if the economy crashes. :)

      [–]100percentkneegrow 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      This reminds me of the Trump Cups. Where are your values, if you they don't stop you from posting on a forum or buying coffee?

      [–]GameraaaaBernie Lesbro - #FreeJulian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Any other user would've gotten permabanned for doing what he did.

      [–]rundown9ImWithHerb 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Firearms, ammo, cigarettes, and alcohol would be easier to barter than gold, besides the ones with the firearms would have gold hoarders at a disadvantage.

      Better yet, just buy all the books you can to learn resourcefulness, survival, and how to live off the land.

      [–]SonOfFunkWeAreMonkeywrenchGang 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You nailed it! We need to hang together or we shall surely hang alone

      [–]bedazzledgypsy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Two months ago I would have thought someone making that statement was nuts, but in light of what we've learned in the fallout from this election, it is sound advice that I've considered myself.

      I want off the grid, but I thrive on this kind of gossip, so I stay.

      [–]GameraaaaBernie Lesbro - #FreeJulian 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

      A good point, I think gold's usefulness would be better in the generation after the collapse. After all, every country loves gold - could it be used as an international monetary exchange? Maybe.

      [–]rundown9ImWithHerb 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      We get to that point, very few or the very foolish will be thinking about precious metals and gems - you cant eat, heat, or protect yourself with those.

      [–]GameraaaaBernie Lesbro - #FreeJulian 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Sometimes I wonder, given the wealthy's hoarding of it in other countries. What do they know that we don't?

      [–]drdanieldoom 33ポイント34ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Gold is also worthless if the economy crashes

      [–]escalation 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ya sure. Tell that to the people that bought up huge tracks of land in Argentina after the economy crashed. Gold is tangible. It had value in the middle ages and it still holds value now. In a crisis of confidence people like that.

      [–]GameraaaaBernie Lesbro - #FreeJulian 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Buy it up before the crash, use it to buy supplies once the crash hits.

      [–]AWildEnglishman 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

      If money is worthless why will people take gold in exchange for their useful goods?

      [–]GameraaaaBernie Lesbro - #FreeJulian 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because we have a large population who is going to assume that a person with a lot of gold is wealthy. It adds human value on that alone. Also this article explains why it's better to own gold over legal tender (but maybe it's best to not put all crabs in one bucket so to speak).

      https://www.sprottmoney.com/News/debt-free-money-not-a-solution-jeff-nielson-sprott-money-news.html

      [–]gorpie97 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      But for awhile it'll be as good as, er, gold. :)

      [–]Spidertech500 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Holy shit

      [–]GameraaaaBernie Lesbro - #FreeJulian 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      See here and part two for starters.

      [–]GameraaaaBernie Lesbro - #FreeJulian 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

      You okay?

      [–]Spidertech500 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I'm surprised people here believe in legal tender next people will be championing capitalism

      [–]GameraaaaBernie Lesbro - #FreeJulian 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I'm a believer that Fort Knox is completely empty.

      [–]Spidertech500 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I would tend to agree. I've heard from credible sources that almost all wars would've been avoided if fought on money and not currenc, because war gets expensive, and fast.

      [–]GameraaaaBernie Lesbro - #FreeJulian 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah just look at our country. Our debt makes me a bit uneasy!

      http://www.usdebtclock.org/

      Interesting enough, Wall St did have an influence on WW2 for sure. https://smile.amazon.com/Wall-Street-Hitler-Antony-Sutton/dp/0945001533?sa-no-redirect=1

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