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[–]surosregimeFiscal Conservative [スコア非表示]  (34子コメント)

I'm not a fan of the_Donald but man, reddit is terrible at this.

[–]BedWedOrBehead [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

That's the thing. If the CEO goes around personally fucking with people, he needs to go. Faith cannot fully be restored, but canning someone with such poor judgment would go an awfully long way.

[–]skunimatrix [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Anyone whose comments was edit need to be in a Federal courthouse Friday morning with a defamation lawsuit against Reddit and spez personally. He has committed libel.

[–]BedWedOrBehead [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's a case that could create serious precedent. I bet they could crowdfund it too.

[–]BangxYourexDead [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Libel is when your personal reputation has been damaged. So unless your IRL name is skunimatrix, then your personal reputation is still in check.

[–]nGBeast [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You shouldn't be giving out legal advice, because you're wrong about libel, maybe pay more attention in school instead of on reddit?

[–]skunimatrix [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

lawyer hat on Edit: I hate reddit formatting....

Defamation has to have 5 parts with a 6th criteria for public figures. Those are:

  1. A person has to make a statement -in this case a written post on Reddit
  2. Statement has to be published - It was published on the internet, maybe you can make a case it doesn't count, but one of the posts was published by a news organization.
  3. The statement caused you injury - this might would be the only case where it would be hard to argue, but the fact it was reported you said things that you did not say, but was edited by a Reddit Admin & CEO to say. A lot would depend on Jury pool.
  4. The Statement was False - The statement given to the press was false because the person writing it did not write those words. His statement was edited and altered by spez.
  5. The Statement was not privileged - it was posted on a publicly accessible web forum

Now the special case beyond that is about public figures, but I'm going to assume the person behind the post would be considered a private individual so those rules wouldn't apply.

I did pay attention in law school enough to pass the Bar in Missouri and Illinois...

[–]whoisthismilfhere [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No he didn't. Calm the fuck down.

[–]UnicornOfDesire [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fuckin reddit lawyers coming out of the woodwork

[–]tjcastle [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

what's up with reddit and appointing shitty CEOs lmao. Pao and then this?

[–]Taylor814Jibrish [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Spez edited a the_donald user's post to make it look like they were criticizing me instead of him.

[–]surosregimeFiscal Conservative [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Yeah, I know. Shouldn't be leading this site.

[–]The_Bird_King [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Not my CEO

[–]wolfman1911Boehner thinks I'm the Devil[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Weren't people saying this guy was pretty all right when he took over? Or was he only okay compared to Pao?

[–]EuroTrash69 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He is one of the founders of reddit, so there was hope he would be better than pao. Some people have decided he isn't.

[–]skunimatrix [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Then the person making the comment needs to get a lawyer because they have a windfall coming in the form of a defamation lawsuit.

[–]I_Edit_Some_Pictures [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I doubt that would carry. At all.

[–]whoisthismilfhere [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Please stop posting your bullshit rhetoric. It's not illegal. It's his website, nobody is forcing you to post. Is it unethical? Probably. Is it illegal? Not even fucking close. Calm your tits.

[–]SirFappleton [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Doesn't need to be illegal to win a civil defamation suit.

[–]Astrrum [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The only person that has a case for defamation is spez himself. He's constantly being accused of being a pedophile.

[–]whoisthismilfhere [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

This is still not correct, but it is much closer than what /u/skunimatrix is trying to say...

[–]Astrrum [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If constantly accusing someone of being a pedo isn't libel, I don't know what is. What would their defense be? Everybody knows they're full of shit anyway, so people don't take them seriously?

[–]skunimatrix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Was said post about Spez reported in the Washington Post? Was the Post he edited printed by the Washington Post?

[–]inthemiddleofthenite [スコア非表示]  (49子コメント)

It does get old getting called a pedophile constantly.

Funny, I feel the same about always being called racist or sexist anytime I try to disagree with someone on the left.

[–]EMPEROR_TRUMP_2016 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

No see that's different.

Conservatives are supposed to be insulted, because they aren't liberals. But liberals are liberals, so you're not supposed to insult them.

Understand? :^)

[–]Onlyusemifeet [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Painfully yes..... It's a sad world we live in. Hopefully with Trump it will get better for us.

[–]EMPEROR_TRUMP_2016 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I've just learned to live with it. In all honesty, I think the double standard and years of insults has made me a better person. Or at least a stronger one.

I look at the university students- people near my age- that needed play doh and coloring books to deal with Trump's win, I look at their cry ins, their safe spaces, their need for trigger warnings, and I'm glad I wasn't coddled, I'm glad I wasn't given a trophies for losing.

I don't give a shit what anyone calls me or says to me, someone insulting me won't cause me to emotionally break down. People can call me a filthy kike, or make holocaust jokes, they're only words. If Hillary had won I would've have been bummed, but I would've went about November 9th like any other day.

I know there's an ideal middle ground, but if I had to choose between constant verbal abuse and a thick skin, or a life time of coddling and the inability to function in the real world, I'd choose the abuse every single time.

Basically, I guess what I'm trying to say is there is a silver lining. I think there is a benefit that we on the right gain from the pathetic double standard.

[–]IFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIF [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Probably best to avoid personal insults and just call their ideology evil, though

[–]frydchiken333 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh my god. Everyone's life right now

[–]Capt_ShitNuts [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

don't forget xenophobe, literally hitler, cis,

[–]BreaksFull [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It'd be nice to see both sides stop writing off the other as racist hicks and hippy welfare queens and try and understand one another perspectives, then work from there.

[–]apathetictransience [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That happens literally every time? Where do you live?

[–]BobbyMcFrayson [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Every time you disagree? Or maybe sometimes you say something overtly sexist or racist...?

[–]madisonfootball99 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Some girls at my school got arrested for going up to kids with Trump apparel and yelling at them. Called them klan members, racists, mysogonists, etc. just because they supported a candidate.

[–]PusherofCarts [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Lol r/thathappened r/teenagers r/madlads

[–]CaptainJesi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

because some girls at your school represent the entire left, regardless of who is on whose side, we can't keep pointing fingers at each other like this. The right does it just as much as the left, that has been this entire election. We're all Americans and we really need to start acting like it. Too much extremism from both sides, it's stupid.

[–]sammythemc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You can't even write racial abuse in excrement on someone's car without the politically correct brigade breathing down your neck

[–]Tyler_Vakarian [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Spez is a Trump supporter, so bringing up Liberals when talking about him is weird.

[–]Phalanx341 [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

How do you know. This is the dumbest thing I've heard, he posted he was voting for Trump as a joke in a thread. He also posted that he's voting for Hillary in the same thread.

[–]Tyler_Vakarian [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

He admitted he was a Trump supporter in a private moderator group, and it got leaked.

[–]Baxterftw [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Ok source?

[–]bubby963 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thats obviously a fucking joke. How can you be so retarded. Have you never said to your mates "Youre gonna be so mad when you find out Im actually XX" when obviously you arent XX, its just a joke. Fucking hell you liberals really lack critical thinking skills.

[–]Tyler_Vakarian [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

K.

[–]WizOfTime [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think that's a joke. He's joked about supporting Trump and Hillaru before.

[–]ColonelCluster [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Meh, that's weak tea. He's "joked" about supporting both Hillary and Trump in other threads.

[–]Baxterftw [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Don't give a pissy little k. You should've sourced from the beginning

[–]Tyler_Vakarian [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

My post will get downvoted into oblivion around here whether I use sources or not. Might as well save myself the effort to be honest.

[–]tme001 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Meh. Both sides call each other names, that's been extremely obvious since the election. That shit needs to end overall.

[–]ThatEyetalian [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Can you please link the last time you were called a racist or sexist simply before you tried to disagree with someone on the left please?

[–]pompr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The amount of sensitivity from the right is ironically reaching new heights. Their persecution complex has never been more pronounced. Goes to show, no matter the party, there are always the sensitive, "feel sorry for me" types.

[–]dmb1993 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Aw poor baby... Like that ever fucking happens to you lmao. Even if it did you can be a big boy, you'll be fine.

[–]SushiGato [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I understand and am progressive. Would only call you sexist or racist if you did things to justify it.

[–]rape-ape [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Like if I said that the pay gap is bullshit and affirmative action is cancer?

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    [–]YouFellAsleep-WakeUp [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    reddit

    [–]kainoasmith [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I won't do it again

    oh I guess that makes it ok then

    [–]10gauge[S] [スコア非表示]  (35子コメント)

    This is bad, people. Think about what this means and can be done to any of us on Reddit. An administrator can change any comment we make...to make it say anything they want. A huge precedent was just set by the CEO of Reddit.

    [–]candid_canidConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

    Imagine a presidential AMA.

    "Mr. Trump, I've heard that you're going to begin deporting American citizens. Is this true?"

    "No, I am absolutely not going to do that."

    Obviously a simplified example but the ramifications of this are serious.

    Reddit no longer has any official credibility.

    [–]neckbrecker2000 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    If you can edit your own comments (ninja edits are an even better demonstration) and mods can remove them what did people think the admins had the power to do? A few bits of text are not hard to overwrite.

    [–]BedWedOrBehead [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    It wasn't about whether it was technically possible, but if they'd actually do it. I'm sure they have the ability to do basically anything, but since he's shown such terrible judgment, they need to remove him.

    [–]Valkonn [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    CEO's aren't supposed to have database access. The CEO of Paypal can't look up user information on a whim, the architecture is set up to prevent that.

    It looks especially bad on /u/spez because his reasons for this breach in security are childish.

    [–]Goose306 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Editing comments =/= database access, at all.

    He had an elevated (admin) profile, just like any other admin. It's not terribly far off from a moderator profile found in traditional forum websites.

    [–]im_not_a_girl [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I'm not an expert but I read a comment in the r/technology thread that pretty convincingly explained something like this would require database access, due to the complete lack of any sort of trail

    [–]Goose306 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    As a programmer myself, not at all, actually.

    It all depends on how the forum (reddit, in this case) is set up. You don't need to track who edits/deletes/etc a comment, in-fact from a programmer perspective that is more work than not doing any of that sort at all. In most cases it's seen as a desirable option for accountability so it's programmed in, but that doesn't mean any sort of database access is necessary.

    In fact, in most cases edits to a db have pretty heavy user tracking from the perspective of the app you are using to r/w the db, as dbs are heavily reliant on consistency of data (and as such you want to track any manual changes). In any case you can probably override this tracking, that being said it seems a lot of unnecessary hoops when you can just add a tracker-less mode to the admin forum/reddit profile.

    [–]whoisthismilfhere [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    How do you know this? Do you write code for PayPal? I'm pretty sure if Daniel Shulman wanted to, he could do exactly what you just said. He might just not know technically how to do it, but if he wanted that information he could probably get it.

    Do you have anything to back up your statement?

    [–]biggestballz [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Trumps smart enough to stay off this site. Im betting no future president will ever be doing an AMA on here again. IF reddit is relevant in 4-8 years.

    [–]candid_canidConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    no future president will ever be doing an AMA on here again

    Sure as shit not after this debacle.

    [–]whoisthismilfhere [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    When did Reddit ever have official credibility? When people can make posts anonymously it has to be assumed that there is 0 credibility.

    [–]fuck_sal_hardPool Boy [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

    yes, but its for the "good of the community" so we should all celebrate this! All hail /u/spez!!

    [–]10gauge[S] [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

    Let's say an administrator doesn't like something you post...then changes it...and puts CP in your history...and then notifies the FBI.

    [–]diehardgiraffeMei the Wall be with you [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    But our benevolent overlords would never do something like that! They're the most fair and unbiased people to have ever lived!

    [–]TheXarath [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    It's a shame Hillary didn't get elected and lock up those pesky conservatives and ban their bigoted "free speech" All hail /u/spez!

    [–]j_aubrey [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Pro tip: put tons of CP in your history to beat them at their own game!!

    [–]monster_mi [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    The FBI would not be a real problem. An online post would not hold up in court even without admins. You could always claim your account was compromised.

    The bigger danger is ruining your online reputation. Employers and even potential mates will do online searches for you and if they stumble on your Reddit history they will take it at face value and never believe that some admin had it in for you.

    [–]BedWedOrBehead [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I'd still be terrified of the FBI in that situation.

    [–]Internetallstar [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Who would attach their name to their Reddit account?

    Seriously question here...has any one looked at the TOS? Does it say that the admins may edit the content of the site as they see fit? I know Facebook's TOS basically says we can do what we want when we feel like it. I'm sure Reddit's is set up similarly.

    Edit: from the TOS. Not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that this roughly means they can do what ever they want with the content once you submit it to Reddit.

    your content

    You retain the rights to your copyrighted content or information that you submit to reddit ("user content") except as described below.

    By submitting user content to reddit, you grant us a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, unrestricted, worldwide license to reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute copies, perform, or publicly display your user content in any medium and for any purpose, including commercial purposes, and to authorize others to do so.

    You agree that you have the right to submit anything you post, and that your user content does not violate the copyright, trademark, trade secret or any other personal or proprietary right of any other party.

    Please take a look at reddit’s privacy policy for an explanation of how we may use or share information submitted by you or collected from you.

    [–]skunimatrix [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Their TOS doesn't save them from a defamation or libel lawsuit. They maybe able to change data, but once they do so to imply you said or wrote something that you did not then they are going to have problems.

    [–]Internetallstar [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Actually, I'd argue that it does.

    From the TOS:

    limitation of liability

    We will not be liable for any special, consequential, indirect, incidental, punitive, reliance, or exemplary damages, whether in tort, contract, or any other legal theory, arising out of or in any way connected with this agreement or your use of or attempt to use reddit, including (but not limited to) damages for loss of profits, goodwill, use, or data. This limitation on liability shall not be affected even if we have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Some states do not allow for the exclusion of implied warranties or the limitation or exclusion of liability for incidental or consequential damages, so the above exclusions may not apply to you. You may have other rights that vary from state to state.

    You agree to release us, our affiliates, and third-party service providers, and each associated director, employee, agents, and officers, from claims, demands and damages (actual and consequential), of every kind and nature, known and unknown, disclosed or undisclosed, arising out of or in any way connected to your use of reddit.

    [–]skunimatrix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Thing is this wasn't an incidental occurrence. This wasn't a bug deleted a post, this was deliberate and willful changing of a post that was reported to a major news outlet by a member of senior management. That TOS isn't going to protect them against a claim of libel.

    [–]Meatpuppy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    The problem with that now is what they admitted to doing.

    [–]Rommel79Conservative [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    In all honesty, how do we know that they didn't do this to /u/violentacrez and force him to take the fall?

    [–]PlausibleBadAdvice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Truthfully? We don't. And nothing the admins can provide will prove otherwise.

    [–]whoisthismilfhere [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    You know there are a lot of armchair lawyers and programmers and CEO's in this thread spouting a bunch of bullshit... but what you just said is pretty goddamn scary.

    [–]slapmytwinkie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    They could have done this in the past too. This is just the only known time they have. I think this shows the admins are incapable of reasonably handling subs/users/posts/comments with opposing viewpoints.

    [–]JackBond1234 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Honestly this is true of any privately run website. If you're saying this shatters our trust in the leadership of reddit, then you're absolutely right. Though, I think we should never get/have gotten so trusting as to believe this couldn't happen.

    [–]Sevsquad [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    I don't understand, did people think this wasn't possible before? Has anyone on this site been on a forum before? admins have been fucking with user posts since the beginning of the internet. This isn't some huge revelation.

    [–]im_Clueless_Its_True [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    We know it's possible. It's the fact that it actually happened is why people are up in arms.

    [–]Sevsquad [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    That's what I'm saying though, the kind of edit he is doing is done basically everywhere. Changing the wording of people they don't like to make fun of them or even deleting part of what they said because they don't think it's appropriate for the website.. It'd be a whole different ballgame if this was some sort of massive disinfo/gaslighting campaign. But it's just not. It's the same kind of mod editing that has been done forever.

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      [–]BobbyT486 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      I know weed, and weed don't make you do that, wtf is he on.

      [–]NotATroll4 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Fuck u/spez

      [–]chalbersma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      This is definitely not the only time this has happened.

      [–]S0ckHeaven [スコア非表示]  (34子コメント)

      What is pizzagate??

      [–]bobadole [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      https://voat.co/v/pizzagate

      [–]Rommel79Conservative [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

      A potential child porn/sex ring with some very powerful people.

      [–]Hunnyhelp [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

      Didn't Britain have a thing much like this?

      [–]Rommel79Conservative [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      If what the weaponized autists are saying is true, it's all connected.

      I really, really hope it isn't true, though.

      [–]Hunnyhelp [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      What if "pedophile rings" are all connected, just the investigators don't have the ability to look into the full extent of these people's internet history

      [–]_Mellex_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      What if "pedophile rings" are all connected, just the investigators don't have the ability to look into the full extent of these people's internet history

      Someone notify the Danish.

      [–]strike_one [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      The logos, combined with the posts made by people connected with the businesses, make a pretty convincing case.

      [–]thelawtalkingguy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, but the crust is more doughy and the cheese isn't as good.

      [–]TrollingPanda-_- [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      So like HRC and people of her ilk could be involved? Or is it like soros and stuff???

      [–]MeatPickles [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      How idiotic can you be to believe that shit? You expect me to believe some of the most powerful people in the world are all in on some cp ring and got caught because le reddit detectives matched a triangle in some logos and child porn=cheese pizza. Come the fuck on...

      [–]jaysalos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      No leaked emails, still from an unknown source, show people connected to the campaign talking in a very odd code that involves lots of food. What exactly they are talking about I do not know but it wasn't some 15 year old drawing a triangle on the pyramid on the dollar bill and saying illuminati.

      [–]TheXarath [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      It's technically a conspiracy theory but there was some weird ass emails in the Podesta emails which seemed very odd and almost like coded language, which some believed was language related to pedophilia. While I'm not totally on board with it, it wasn't the weirdest conspiracy theory. Their subreddit was shut down for doxxing, but I don't know who they were actually doxxing, and I doubt it was widespread because nearly everyone involved was a public figure.

      [–]Zeabos [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      They were doxxing the pizza place and its employees.

      [–]DicklePill [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      How exactly do you dox a public company lol. If it's all available online and public information it's not doxing.

      [–]Kamishini [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      They were harassing the pizza owners daughter...

      [–]TheXarath [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Gotcha.

      [–]10gauge[S] [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

      Google it. It's sick. Apparently pedophilia amongst Washington elites and uber wealthy. Most of that information has been scrubbed from reddit by the admins.

      [–]diehardgiraffeMei the Wall be with you [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      Nah, didn't you hear it was Fake™ News™?

      [–]praxulus [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      This is the kind of evidence they're using: https://i.sli.mg/7hr0h9.jpg

      This isn't even fake news, this is good old fashioned conspiracy theory bullshit.

      [–]_Mellex_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Wow, you discredited 1000s of human hours of research by linking to a single screenshot. Good job!

      [–]robertwilliams [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_Murders - this sort of thing is not unheard of.

      [–]mrstickball [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      Its a topic that's been banned and nuked from orbit. Originated on 4Chan from people combing the Podesta E-mails that WikiLeaks dropped. The allegation is that there's a very large child sex ring that involves the Clintons and a lot of other people.

      Not sure if its substantiated or not, but its very, very scary stuff. Like the Jeremy Saville stuff, but still on-going and involving a lot of people.

      [–]Arkansan13 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Even if that aspect of things isn't true Podesta is still a weird motherfucker into some weird stuff.

      [–]jew_jitsu [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Jimmy Savile?

      [–]testdex [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      Conspiracy shit that makes 9-11 truthers look like James Randi.

      They're so certain that they're onto something that they think a grandmother who is bringing her grandkids to a picnic is offering them as sex slaves because she said their attendance at the picnic would be some "further entertainment."

      edit: I've tried reading a bit to figure out what the hell these people are talking about, and I haven't yet seen anything else (or anyone suggesting the existence of anything else) connecting this woman and her kids with the imaginary pizza-related international child sex ring. She just happens to be in Podesta's leaked emails, so she and her kids have their names circulating with these accusations.

      [–]Winter_Aspen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      You're an idiot. Either there's a pedo sex ring, or its a sick inside joke they've been into for years where they pretend there's a pedo sex ring. The number of bizarre things that point to it is in the multiple-dozens; it has long passed the point of coincidence.

      [–]_Mellex_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      I believe the "entertainment" comment had to do with the kids being in the pool.

      [–]testdex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Here's the quoted text:

      "We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. [Name] will be Uber Service to transport [Name], [Name], and [Name] (11, 9, and almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure."

      This is a grandmother writing about her grandkids in an email inviting a list of people to bring their families and enjoy the pool.

      edit: I really am at a loss. I can't help but feel that most of the people who've been upvoting/ downvoting on those conspiracy people's behalf don't think it's true, they just want to hurt people they think are corrupt (and their families and children).

      [–]earthtokeebs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Welcome to the rabbit hole.

      [–]Tucana66 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Unprofessional.

      [–]greenkingwashere [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      What a scumbag move

      [–]Cunt_Pao_Chickin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Fuck Spez

      [–]JackBond1234 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I feel for him, I really do. The subs he's been dealing with have a high ratio of vapid little shits who would get any reasonable person seething. Plus this guy is human and makes mistakes.

      BUT, this is not acceptable behavior from someone in his position with this kind of authority. Mistake or not, anyone else caught doing the same thing would lose their job, and I think for the sake of relations with the users, he too needs to step down or be removed.

      [–]turndriverside [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

      What does this have to do with the conservative subreddit?

      [–]10gauge[S] [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

      This has to do with every sub on Reddit. What spez just did undermines the integrity of reddit and the confidence of every user. What if you posted something that an administrator doesn't like...so they change it...and then they go deep into your history and put CP in your history...and then notify the FBI of your disgusting activities...hypothetical? Yes. Possible? Spez just proved it.

      [–]Internetallstar [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

      You guys are taking this "they'll frame you and call the feds" stuff a little too far don't you think?

      It was an edited Reddit post for crying out loud. You mean to tell me one of your buddies couldn't do the same type of crap if you left your phone laying around? It's a social media post, not a forged confession letter.

      Edit: I figured I'd take a look at the TOS

      Please note the part about "derivative works". I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that means they have the right to alter anything you submit to Reddit's servers.

      your content

      You retain the rights to your copyrighted content or information that you submit to reddit ("user content") except as described below.

      By submitting user content to reddit, you grant us a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, unrestricted, worldwide license to reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute copies, perform, or publicly display your user content in any medium and for any purpose, including commercial purposes, and to authorize others to do so.

      You agree that you have the right to submit anything you post, and that your user content does not violate the copyright, trademark, trade secret or any other personal or proprietary right of any other party.

      Please take a look at reddit’s privacy policy for an explanation of how we may use or share information submitted by you or collected from you.

      [–]bubby963 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      Reddit posts have been used in court cases. A bit ago a man in the UK got fined for a racist reddit post. The whole fiasco with /u/stonetear involves reddit posts used as court evidence. Fuck, I got in trouble back at university because some dickhead stored all my controversial reddit posts and sent them to the uni (got nothing but a slap on the wrist and he was royally pissed though).

      The thing is reddit posts have been used aa court evidence before, and now there is an actual ppausible deniability over you being the poster.

      [–]el-y0y0s [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      The value and credibility of such reddit evidence has now just taken a serious nosedive.

      [–]Internetallstar [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      There was deniability beforehand too.

      "Your honor, I was hacked by Russians"

      "Your honor, I left my phone at the bus stop"

      I'm not trying to bust balls here but seriously, the TOS are pretty clear that Reddit owns the content you generate and they can manipulate it anyway they see fit once you post it. I think spez did a dumb thing but if you had any expectation of privacy or ownership of your words once they're posted then you have been making some bad assumptions on how this site operates.

      [–]PusherofCarts [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      You are 100% right about TOS.

      Source: I am a lawyer.

      [–]kainoasmith [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

      This is the first time in reddit's 11 year history that an admin edited someone's post to show something different than what they said. This is the first time we have ever had to seriously consider what it means for someone else to control not whether we can say something but exactly what we say. They can do anything they want to any of us and frame any user on reddit.

      [–]Internetallstar [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      OK...but if you hadn't taken that into consideration previously that's kind of on you.

      [–]kainoasmith [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      that's like saying we should have considered terrorists attacking the WTC before they happened

      how was anyone supposed to predict this? it's never happened before on reddit and we expected it to never happen ever

      [–]Winter_Aspen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Potentially awful secret pedo lives of politicians and the CEO of reddit taking retaliatory actions against the users investigating it?

      You are aware this is the conservative politics board on reddit, yes?

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        [–]benisuber [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

        The reaction to this seems like a huge overreaction and a bunch of fear mongering - not unlike revent media coverage of Trump.

        [–]CATHOLIC_EXTREMIST [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

        I didn't know the admins could do this. Has anyone ever been convicted based on evidence found on Reddit?

        [–]praxulus [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        I mean, it's their website. It's impossible to operate a website that you yourself can't freely edit. We just have to trust that the admins won't do so surreptitiously.

        They lost a lot of people's trust by doing this, but given the triviality of the actual changes he made and that he owned up to it, I can't say I'm all that concerned.

        [–]CATHOLIC_EXTREMIST [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        But like if I said if they're willing to edit comments over something so trivial then what will happen when there's something more serious?

        [–]praxulus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        I don't know what it's like inside /u/spez's head, so I can only speculate here. Editing a comment to say something the user didn't say is bad, but there's a huge difference between doing it as a prank and doing it to influence real-world events or the opinions of many. To me at least, the fact that he's willing to play a prank doesn't necessarily indicate that he's willing to use his power in more impactful ways.

        [–]MEOWmix_SWAG [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        /u/stonetear. He was Hillary's IT guy who asked people for advice on how to delete some emails. He's on trial now IIRC.

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          [–]JackBond1234 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Yes. It's perfectly fine if the CEO of a large company feels comfortable with falsifying records just because he felt vindictive at the time.

          [–]ColonelCluster [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          This is just despicable and /u/spez is a disgusting human being.

          I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt and my butt smells and I like to kiss my own butt.

          [–]thebest108_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          New polls coming in showing that u/spez is absolutely a Pedophile.

          SAD!

          [–]mrMANNAGER [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          And this is on the sub because...

          [–]amundae [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Ok what the hell /u/spez !? Up till now I thought all the crap was just more T_D BS. Now you flaunt that it is true in front of the whole world. I even kind of liked you and trusted you. What the shit man. Goodbye reddit! I am leaving now, this is the bale of straw that broke this camel's back.

          [–]y-a-me-a [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

          Looks like r/conservative has been hijacked by r/the fucking donald.

          [–]KingYudo [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

          No? I think everyone can agree that editing someone's comment is bad.

          [–]benisuber [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          Bad, yes. Worthy of "OMG Reddit is super corrupt and we can't trust any of the admins"

          Maybe not.

          [–]_Mellex_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Bad, yes. Worthy of "OMG Reddit is super corrupt and we can't trust any of the admins"

          Maybe not.

          Stay naïve, my friend. It's honestly better for you in the long run.

          [–]tehForce [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Sort of.

          [–]CATHOLIC_EXTREMIST [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Looks like r/conservative has been hijacked by r/the fucking donald.

          I think that happened when Trump brought the Republicans out of the wilderness

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