What the spez is going on?

awkwardtheturtle · 2時間前

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Rosseforp-Woem · 5時間前

To explain what's happened to anyone not wanting to dig through the threads, Spez, the CEO of Reddit, has admitted to editing some comments on The_Donald. Specifically, he changed mentions of his name in insults to the usernames of The_Donald moderators. According to his comment, he did this for about an hour before stopping. His comment states that he was very stressed over dealing with the removal of r/pizzagate and being called a pedophile for it, resulting in him going out of line and making edits to comments. He also says that he won't do it again, and that the community management team is angry with him.

The Reddit admins have had a strained relationship with the moderators and users of The_Donald, for multiple reasons. For a lot of users there, this validates some beliefs about the admin's treatment towards them, specifically that they make an active effort to censor their content. Other users on the site feel like this sets a dangerous precedent, as it demonstrates the admins can and have edited comments without disclosure. Further users feel like, while Spez made a mistake, he was unfairly treated and harassed by TheDonald and his response was an understandable outburst.

Now, people around the site are wondering what the repercussions of this will be. Some question if Spez will be removed from his position over this. Some wonder if the admins will come forward and admit they've edited comments in the past. Others wonder if a significant population from The_Donald will migrate to Voat, a Reddit alternative.

allthefoxes · 5時間前

TL;DR:

Spez, likely in some amount of frustration, edited the comments of various The_Donald users. This is generally considered a bad move.

He is able to edit these comments likely because he has direct database access (Don't give your CEOs the passwords, kids) - My understanding of reddits tools means this would only really be doable by editing the database, making it extremely inefficiant and likely not a widespread thing. But, of course, things like this can be automated. I don't know what tools reddit has setup.

So, all in all, don't reddit while stressed, frustrated, and while having direct database access

IranianGenius · 5時間前

Spez, the CEO of reddit, admitted to editing comments in /r/the_donald. This comes after months of the subreddit gaining popularity among hundreds of thousands of redditors, and very shortly after Donald Trump was voted in as the president of the United States.

From the point of view of The_Donald users, this is a massive violation. Their comments were literally edited, and could potentially be edited to say anything spez felt like, on any other day he felt like trolling or messing around. As spez said in his comment, plenty of other admins were very upset at him for doing this.

From the point of view of some moderators, and spez (paraphrasing what he said to default moderators in private), this was after tons of harassment, and spez reached a breaking point. As is mentioned in the thread, tons of users were saying "fuck spez" and calling him a pedophile, and /r/The_Donald has had users in the past harass other moderators. Some of my fellow moderators have gotten unpleasant messages and threats from users claiming to be from /r/the_donald, and the admins have made messages in the past about apparent brigading coming from the subreddit, but not to the extent to actually ban it.

jon909 · 2時間前

I have a serious set of questions:

Can admins send private messages on my behalf without me knowing?
Do admins have my password to this site?
Can admins edit my private messages?

If so this is fucked. I cannot trust this site. If an admin gets frustrated and has done this in the open what has he done more vindictive in private?

yrulaughing · 4時間前

He edited multiple comments on /r/The_donald saying things like "Fuck /u/Spez" to say various /r/The_donald moderators instead of his username. Obviously this breaches the trust that users have in the admins and is a blatant misuse of power. There's no telling what else the admins have edited in the past without telling the users. All-in-all it was a bad PR move by him.

kleep · 2時間前

How long has this been going on? What other posts have been edited throughout the years?

MalmoWalker · 1時間前

According to Reddit's TOS:

You are solely responsible for the information associated with Your Account and anything that happens related to Your Account.

Additionally, the TOS says:

We take no responsibility for, we do not expressly or implicitly endorse, and we do not assume any liability for any user content submitted by you to reddit.

I do not believe it is right for /u/Spez to edit comments of users. I have been a member of Reddit for 8 years. I have lost all trust in this website. I am truly disappointed in Reddit's leadership with the fact that the CEO, or anyone for that matter, has the ability to edit comments.

Pikabuu2 · 4時間前

Spez quite literally showed he has the ability to edit user's past comments or create ones. Add this to the fact he did so against The_Donald, who already hates him already (me included) this has caused a shit-storm.

Even if you don't like The_Donald it's still a pretty big deal that spez went and did this just because "he's angry"

EmeraldKnight92 · 2時間前

I'm too lazy to read through the comments right now to see if this has already been said, but here's a semi-technical overview of the issue that assumes little to no technical experience:

Reddit, by its very nature, is a software system. And because it's software, the people who control it are able to do absolutely anything they want with it. Database entries can be altered with no evidence of this being the case (the issue being discussed right now), code can be updated as necessary to add, update, or delete features, etc. Furthermore, every single thing you do on this website, and every single thing that happens as a result of your actions, is by design. This includes when users edit or delete their own comments, or when mods/admins do so for rule violations. Many of these design decisions, such as the little asterisk that appears when you edit your comments, are implemented for the sake of transparency. When you design a system like reddit, you want people (both mods and users) to be able to modify content as needed (e.g. you made or typo or worded something poorly and need to revise) and to see when someone has modified content (e.g. if someone make an inflammatory statement then edits it shortly after to fraudulently make other users look like asshats).

That being said, none of these design decisions are in any way mandatory, but since software and data may be accessed and/or altered at any time without anyone's knowledge, it's important that trust be established between the people who develop, maintain, and own the website and the people who use it. Without this trust, users wouldn't stick around. No one likes to have their privacy invaded or their trust broken. So usually these sorts of design decisions are put in place for transparency and so that an "official" process is in place that all users are aware of to help establish that trust, and additional things like privacy policies give users some peace of mind in knowing that there is a written, legal agreement between them and the website. Even so, it often takes a long time to really build trust, maybe even years, as users slowly accumulate over time and the company's reputation (hopefully) continues to improve.

What Spez did circumvented the established processes put in place for modifying content and even violated policies put in place regarding content. Odds are he even violated company policy and/or circumvented existing company procedures. These policies and procedures which have existed to establish and build trust between reddit and its community have been completely ignored, which has broken the users' trust. Aside from the unprofessional and disrespectful nature of his actions, years of effort in building users' trust and in establishing a positive reputation have been jeopardized at best, and irreparably ruined at worst. Even content used as evidence in investigations may now be put into question.

In short, a company requires a good reputation and a sufficient level of trust established between it and its users/customers. Spez just spat in the face of both of those with his conduct. This was, quite frankly, one of the dumbest things you could ever do as CEO.

eviljordan · 1時間前

I did a quick search for some keywords in this thread, and didn't see it mentioned, but, at this point, this will probably go unnoticed:

This is what the blockchain is perfect for. Here's how it could work:

Every post, on submit, generates a hash. That hash is published to the blockchain. Post gets edited? New hash to the blockchain. You now have a virtual paper-trail, shared by everyone, of truth.

Of course, this relies on the code handling the hashing/publishing to be well-formed, running, and verifiable, but that is something users must demand.

Anyway, just my two cents and someone who is a supporter of cryptocurrencies and their underlying technology, where non-supporters are often looking for examples where the tech is actually useful in the real-world.

RickSanchez_ · 5時間前

Heres what I don't get: If /r/the_donald is as terrible as spez makes it out to be, why not just ban the entire sub? Reddit has no obligation to keep any sub active.

Bad form all around.

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