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[–]WiFilter 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just don't call it What.CD or anything similar. It's frowned upon and rebooted trackers normally suck, e.g. Demonoid, TPB

[–]alternativeaccount03 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I said it before and I'll say it again: IPFS is the future of both torrent trackers and the internet.

If you care, there are these folks: https://lainchan.org/%CE%BB/res/13109.html

[–]ThatOnePerson 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

I've also been thinking that the only way you do a proper distributed system is a blockchain based system (Bitcoin clone). You'd already have a 'currency' setup for credits. For implementation I think the best way would be some sort of customized torrent client to be able to do "proof of work" for upload/download credits. I'm not sure how that'll be accomplished yet, and how you would prevent someone from exploiting it, but it would be a very interesting "cryptocurrency".

Problem of course arises on who holds the keys to moderate content.

[–]nyanloutre 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

You would need to base it on a solid cryptocurrency like Ethereum or you will have a lot of difficulties to get your network secured (a lot of node and secured by the hashing power)

[–]ThatOnePerson 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well it depends on the proof of work which doesn't necessarily have to be hashing power. But I can't think of what it should be. For example storj is a storage based blockchain.

[–]nyanloutre 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Storj is based on Bitcoin to issue their tokens, they use counterparty

[–]ThatOnePerson 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I see. I'll be honest not sure how that works either. I don't think anyone will actually create something like this, but it's still a nice idea.

[–]nyanloutre 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

yes, I think this might be possible to at least get a proof of work

[–]ThatOnePerson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another problem with anything that uses download/upload would require a custom client, which means seedbox providers probably won't work with it.

[–]logics8 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm down for anything on rebuilding a huge collection of music. Everyday we lose something that somebody will never hear.

I just need to learn these systems.

[–]saracen9 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would something like zeronet give you what you wanted?

https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet/blob/master/README.md

I'd looked into it for something else in the past

[–]hellodustin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

i think this thread is onto something. i think accepting a cryptocurrency donation is fine, but not to be a foundation in the creation. let's keep the positive thoughts rolling.

[–]captainbrimstonejack 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Given the limitations of the current technologies, federation is probably more practical than full decentralization.

Meanwhile, if some kind of blockchain tracker where seeders are miners (and pay ratio to upload?) gets implemented, you probably have to accept there will be no moderation. Beyond people refusing to seed stuff, anything can show up on this tracker.

[–]CRTsdidnothingwrong 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

There’s no better distributed way to pay for things than a decentralized currency. AMIRITE?

Uh, no, you seem a bit confused... Not exchanging currency for media was kind of, like, THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT.

[–]superphly[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'd argue that ratio is a form of currency.

[–]saracen9 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ratio earned could be exchanged for kudos, titles etc. not turned into RL cash. You then end up on a slippery slope legally of profiting from filesharing.

I'd agree a distributed ledger sounds good, but you need to earn currency from contributing and then should only be able to spend within that closed loop.

[–]superphly[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok, that's fair. I think that makes sense and should be feasible.

[–]nyanloutre -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You just have to count the storage and not the upload (like Storj) so you would get some tokens pretty quickly

Edit : and I don't see the problem if the biggest uploaders could get some profit for their work, I think this would be right and encourage more poeple to do so

[–]CRTsdidnothingwrong 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The key difference is that it cannot be exchanged for anything other than media.

[–]nyanloutre 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So for you the only point of What.CD was to download music for free ?

[–]ShaRose 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

You pretty much can't do this without making it a giant pain in the ass for a few reasons. I mean really? The last thing we want is a record company to point at this new distributed tracker and say "See! They have to PAY to access the site! IT'S ORGANIZED CRIME!" so ratios are here to stay, which is just fine with me. Maybe have bonus points so you can buy ratio, but that's about it. DHT won't work for a private tracker, and public trackers won't have the retention for less used content.

The best option really is as follows:

Run main site behind tor (or similar), users access via reverse proxies. If reverse proxy goes down, what odds, they can only see the tor (or similar) site address. Spin up a new reverse proxy, update DNS records.

Run redundant trackers (more than one FQDN!), each behind a different reverse proxy. If a reverse proxy goes down, tear down the tracker it points to. Spin up new tracker / matching reverse proxy according to a standard image. Tracker gets data from main site, behind tor (or similar).

Pretty much the only issue is if people start hitting reverse proxies like whack-a-moles when they realize they can't get any information on the admins / staff, but not much you can do about that.

[–]superphly[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Running a tracker behind/on top of TOR? What sort of speeds to expect to get that route?

[–]TronLightyear 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

You would in theory not connect to peers over tor, just the tracker to get your torrent file and to report stats. Remember the tracker doesn't handle your actual download or seeding. It's just a index and tells you who to talk to and maintains ratio info in most cases

[–]Stereoscopic_Salute 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trackers deal with a lot of data

[–]saguenay 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

We would need a new client though, right? Currently if you were to force tracker announces over Tor the tracker won't know the actual IP address you're using for BitTorrent.

[–]texteditorSI [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It is possibly to set up trackers that work entirely inside Tor, using a piece of shim software that creates a virtual network interface with an IP mapped to your public/private Tor keypair called Onioncat https://www.onioncat.org/

I believe there are active trackers inside Tor that use it, but not sure

[–]ShaRose [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not a tracker over tor. The website (Part you download .torrent files from, spam the forums of, etc) is on tor. The tracker (the server that your client announces to) is not on tor. The tracker sends statistics to the website over tor.

Reverse proxies? Easily burnable / replaceable. Trackers? Easily burnable / replaceable. IRC Servers? Easily burnable / replaceable. The website that holds all metadata and forms the community meeting place? This is the only part that really matters.

[–]whoaneat 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're going to call your reddit post a document, maybe spell check.

[–]superphly[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Currated => curated.

That's all I've found and all that GDocs has reported. If you see any others, let me know.

[–]Sakako 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure how much I can add to what's already been said, but I'd definitely like to be kept in the loop on this one.

[–]texteditorSI [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

IPFS and Ethereum are snake oil when it comes to building applications with rich, intricate content

[–]texteditorSI [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

lol @ suggesting paying uploaders/seeders in internet funbucks, like that isn't actually much more illegal than just sharing

Pro-tip: the people who share the most shit on private trackers do it as a labor of love, no because they monetize it

[–]subrosianity -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

The only way you're getting some of that metadata back is if some user has it saved, or the internet archive releases it, or one of the mods releases a hidden backup of metadata. None of which will happen.

[–]superphly[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have no idea. Trust me on that.

[–]nyanloutre -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes ! An Ethereum token would be amazing ! You just have to find a way to correlate the seeding and the emission of a token

Edit : if somebody has the time, he could even write down all the technical details of his ideas and launch an ICO

[–]texteditorSI [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes, they one thing piracy always needed was monetization and pump & dump scams