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[–]Jefniro 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ahahahahah... I'm sorry my friends...I can't stop laughing.. this is no good.. no good my dear Steve!

"Jibo is a groundbreaking product that we believe will change the world." you continue to dream.. Jibo is old from months.. (maybe years..) You are sooooooooooooo slow!! I imagine when the product will be out, how many years it needs in order to update it.. everything here is wrong, you are lucky only because the people continue to trust in your project..

These steps (beta1, beta2 , beta3, RC) must be completed from a long time.. this means only one thing, you continue to LIE to those who gave you the money!!! I remember the picture with chinese who was putting Jibo in the box, ready to be shipped! How many months have passed?? Ahahahahah... I'm only sad for these guys who lose their time with your dreams.

[–]AutoXRacer22 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I still have hope, but you do bring a very good point. By the time JIBO makes it to market, it will be obsolete!!

I'm in the aerospace industry and there are quite a few airplane programs that were just ground breaking when they started, but do to technical, political, and financial challenges, by the time it finally made it to production, the airplane was obsolete. Climate had changed, warfare had changed, and no one wanted it.

I am starting to worry that by the time we get JIBO, it will be obsolete.

Another scenario I see is, if JIBO ever releases, is that for the early supporters and initial consumer release, JIBO V1 will be released. But due to its outdated design/technology, that JIBO V2 would be release 1 year later...

So there goes our $750 down the drain with a old obsolete JIBO. Its happened with other products...

What are your thoughts?

[–]drschrott 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You hit the nail on the head. Timing here is the real issue.

There #was# a time window for a small company like Jibo to get into the market. That was maybe mid-2015 (or even earlier) where there was no Amazon Echo yet. At that point they could have released a half-baked product, but the excitement about the new technology could have carried them a long way.

It is the end of 2016, and the market is hot because two goliaths (and soon three once Apple joins the fray) are battling it out. Those two have virtually unlimited resources. They will just look at Jibo, and whatever they might deem interesting they will simply copy, and because they have hundreds if employees working on it, will do a better job and be quicker.

I mean, people here say Jibo is a different product. But, would you spend $500 on a voice activated device that can't even play music? Especially when there's a device for $99 that can? Those capabilities at this point are just assumed minimum for a voice activated device, and small Jibo Inc is now in a brutal game of catch-up they can not win.

[–]Jefniro 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they need to update the HW when they will start the production.. even if I doubt about the material quality used to build Jibo. What is sure is that the technology that cost 750$ 2 years ago, now the same technology costs maximum 400$ (if not less) therefore they will gain a big profit with early buyers..I hope there will a Jibo V2 but I have many doubts about this.

[–]TLEDSM44 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Personally I think it's dead now.

[–]drschrott 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's hard to see how they would come back at this point, yeah. Steve didn't even bother giving a new delivery date, that says something about the amount of work they think Jibo needs.

[–]TLEDSM44 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm just chalking this up to live and learn..never will do a Kickstarter again...there goes 500.00 lol.

[–]tyggerjai 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In hindsight, I'm glad to be Australian! In the TWO YEARS it took them to work out we have funny accents, the Australian vs US dollar exchange rate meant my refund was $200 more than I spent in the first place ....

[–]WhereverUGoThereURBacker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did Jibo & GoTenna. The Gotenna has been great, so i'm 50/50 on Kickstarter.

[–]Watchesandmywife 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ok, quite worrying. Cynthia's strength is supposed to be human / robot interaction, so falls on that points. Hardware issues are a concern, if the WiFi and other crashes are pure hardware's not software, it's going to be costly to fix. I really don't think Jibo deserve the developer support any more until they can show they can deliver..I've not seen thus.

Sad but expected.

So... did they do a production run?? Would be better if they had not.

[–]RobotsForPeople 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'll bet they have hardware sitting in warehouses now that they could ship, but they won't because the software, and most importantly UX is not ready yet. They've clearly got some work to-do here.

[–]Watchesandmywife 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ux is supposed to be Cynthia's USP. This is what concerns me. I think converting conceptual into realty/product is the missing skill here. Which, I think, is the key issue between academia and the consumer world. They need a key hire or a key fire. If a head has not gone after these delays then I would be asking serious questions about management.

Edit: I hope it's software not hardware. If the hardware has headroom, it's fixable.

[–]RobotsForPeople 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, moving from concept to product reality is never easy and this can be the case even from research groups embedded in product organizations. Case-in-point is Xerox PARC, where they designed many of the concepts we all enjoy today, but they did not understand how to get that to market. The same could be true here. I believe this may in part be why Chambers took over as CEO, so Breazeal could focus on design interaction rather than organizational and production issues. But even her great pioneering work in social robotics was never on a product (as far as I recall), but instead as demos, very much like the original Jibo video. None of this means they can't get there, but does explain why we are seeing so many resets.

[–]Watchesandmywife 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Agreed. They need a heavy hitter in an operational function, someone with a history of delivery not white papers. Id like to think the latest round of investment was not just a shower of cash. The delivery delay and beta feedback must have been disclosed in the process (?), and there must have been a solid plan along with it (?) ... Then again, I've seen cash thrown at speculative turkeys before.. Fun fun.

[–]drschrott 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

After two years of burning sixty million dollars, there is no time to sub in miracle players. The current lineup is the final lineup.

[–]drschrott 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I get the impression Jibo Inc is in total disarray. Who in their right mind would update their site with swanky videos, and the next day set the whole thing ablaze by announcing that none of the promises made are held, once again?

I sure would love to be a fly on the wall in those offices.

[–]RobotsForPeople 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Guess you were right. They needed that additional investment to continue and maybe to pay for the new website. But I guess investors are still bullish.

[–]drschrott 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

To be frank, I think the skill that Jibo Inc excels at is not Robotics, but rather Marketing. Steve must be an excellent presenter, and you can tell from the videos that a huge emphasis is put on shiny glossy outward appearance. They are good at dazzling people and investors, but I don't think they have the staff to pull it off.

Looking at the email, at this point I am convinced they got little more than a barely functioning device. Not only that, I think they're struggling to even get Jibo to the usability level of the Echo or the Home, let alone what they are aiming for, I.e. something far beyond that.

[–]RobotsForPeople 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree.

No question that the original video that was used to launch the Indiegogo campaign was a polished, well executed piece of marketing (that I suspect was executed by Breazeal's co-founder). Unfortunately it set expectations very high, possibly higher than the team can deliver. And the timing then seemed great considering that Pepper was being demoed and Echo was just getting out there. The hardware seemed a creative execution of an animated form (compared to the staid Echo) that seemed more fun to interact with.

It is clear that the team there has "heart". Their design goals and philosophy are right on. But getting there was never going to be easy. The component technologies required to pull this off are barely there and it takes a whole lot more to wrestle it into a usable product.

While I don't know about their ultimate success, I do think they will finally get something to market. The issues Chambers cited on the UI side are true of Echo and Home as well. How does anyone know what they can and can't say and how do you deal with the inevitable failures that will occur. To be fair, I have yet to see any robot (or speech-enabled device) handle this very well.

However, they have also have not helped themselves by not communicating like they started out. In the beginning they stirred people's imaginations. Now they post generic information about robots instead of treating us to amazing demos. Even the recent YouTube design talk never show a single live example. The demos we have seen have often disappointed.

They probably would have done better to keep heads-down on the early marketing and waited until they had the goods. But that likely would have made it more difficult for attracting investors.

In any case, it is still early in the market. Except for Echo and Home, there are no real competitors yet (though some have sprung up hoping to be). They can also depend on the continued optimism that we are in the age of personal robots.

[–]drschrott 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How does anyone know what they can and can't say and how do you deal with the inevitable failures that will occur. To be fair, I have yet to see any robot (or speech-enabled device) handle this very well.

That for me is that crucial issue actually. This issue, as you say, has been around for as long as there's been speech-controlled devices, and got even more prominent with Siri.

So, the question I must ask is: did they just expect this issue to disappear? What I'm lacking in all of this is, what's the innovation? Frankly, anybody with enough money can cram a screen, microphones and motors into a device and hook it up with a bit of ASR and IFTT.

That doesn't solve the core problem of that you're trying to mimic a sentient being. This core innovation is entirely missing in Jibo's approach, and instead they seemed to believe that a large collection of if-this-then-that will create an empathic entity.

[–]stowie1021 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can someone DM me a screenshot of this email?

[–]thewebproBacker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here is a direct link to the email itself.

[–]thewebproBacker -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, I guess you couldn't say this was entirely unexpected, although I would have hoped for better news. The good part is that we have news and that we can expect a better experience with Jibo because of the delay. The only question is how far off that is.

[–]RobotsForPeople 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Always the optimist 😊

Steve's note combined with the recent design session suggests they still have a lot of work to do on their UX and explains why we aren't seeing any videos of skills or UI yet.

[–]Watchesandmywife 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to call late summer 2017 consumer release. End Feb/march earliest for backer 1st deliveries.