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[–]protitht 141ポイント142ポイント  (69子コメント)

If only there were enough of them in open-carry states. It could become an anarchist thing rather than a redneck stereotype.

[–]hamjam5Nietzschean 112ポイント113ポイント  (48子コメント)

There's an anarchistic group called redneck revolt that is trying to get exactly that type of thing going.

[–]TravellerByroads 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

They got interviewed this week on submedia.tv/stimulator

[–]you_are_all_slavesredblack 10ポイント11ポイント  (44子コメント)

I really don't like that name.

:/

[–]Bastard-of-Ruckus 72ポイント73ポイント  (12子コメント)

From their website as to "Why the Term Redneck?"

"The history of the term redneck is long and complex. One of the earliest recorded uses of the term comes from the 1890’s, and refers to rednecks as “poorer inhabitants of the rural districts…men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin burned red by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks”. In 1921, the term became synonymous with armed insurrection against the state, as members of the United Mine Workers of America tied red bandanas around their necks during the Battle of Blair Mountain, a two week long armed labor uprising in the coalfields of West Virginia. Today, the term redneck has taken on a demeaning connotation, primarily among upper class urban liberals who have gone out of their way to dehumanize white working class and poor people. Terms like “white trash” have come to signify the view among these same upper class liberals of poor rural whites. To us, the term redneck is a term that signifies a pride in our class as well as a pride in resistance to bosses, politicians, and all those that protect domination and tyranny."

[–]TheImmortalLegendG 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow. Perfect name for a revolt.

[–]hamjam5Nietzschean 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep, when a name is apt you gotta educate, not capitulate.

[–]you_are_all_slavesredblack 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm talking about popular culture.

"The redneck has been stereotyped in the media and popular culture as a poor, dirty, uneducated, and racist Southern white man."

I get that that is not where it came from, my concern is with what it means to the masses today.

EDIT: You get any publicity with a name like Redneck Revolt, you get viewed as right-wing racists, and with no room to explain the deeper context.

Know your enemy.

Aaaaand I'm getting downvoted all over the place. Fine. Whatever.

[–]broke-from-the-wombwob / egoist / commie 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

We're taking it back.

[–]eulergy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

By that logic we should stop calling ourselves anarchists.

[–]somedudeorwhatevs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who cares?

The working class southern man has as much reason to rise up as anyone, may as well use it anyway.

[–]cremebo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many working class southerners embrace the term redneck. This is a good way to reach out to them and get their attention.

[–]infinitivephrase 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

My great-grandfather, a WV coal miner who lost his leg at the hip to faulty mining equipment, was one of those UMWA rednecks.

[–]hamjam5Nietzschean 13ポイント14ポイント  (19子コメント)

I personally like the name, but some chapters go by different names, like the John Brown Gun Club.

[–]TheImmortalLegendG 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I agree the name is beast.

[–]you_are_all_slavesredblack -1ポイント0ポイント  (17子コメント)

I...just think it's a mistake.

The word "Redneck" is almost always associated with the right-wing racist bigot. It conjures up imagines of Bubba and Billy-Bob riding in their rusted out pick-up truck wearing wife beaters and camo ballcaps.

You put that word in your name, and you will automatically be associated with that.

Bottom line is that "brand names" and iconography is extremely important these days.... Fuck. :(

EDIT: C'mon folks. No need to downvote. I'm not trying to stir the pot here or anything, merely putting forward a different perspective.

You have all missed my point entirely. :(

[–]CheerwellI want to give a shit again 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

The word "Anarchist" is almost always associated with someone who wants lawlessness. It conjures up images of a sociopath who wants to freely murder and rape and cause chaos.

You put that word in your name, and you will automatically be associated with that.

Bottom line is that "brand names" and iconography is extremely important these days.... Fuck. :(

See how that's kind of a shit argument?

[–]ieatpussy69 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It conjures up imagines of Bubba and Billy-Bob riding in their rusted out pick-up truck wearing wife beaters and camo ballcaps.

Sounds like a good time to me

[–]kowalski10 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If anything, there needs to be some way to cut through the cable news bullshit to Bubba and Billy-Bob again.

[–]can-we-fart-again 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

It conjures up imagines of Bubba and Billy-Bob riding in their rusted out pick-up truck wearing wife beaters and camo ballcaps.

The language you are using here is a perfect example of why the meaning that term has been given is so incredibly classist. And you're perpetuating the classist narrative. I could be wrong but it lends to the assumption that you've never spent time around, and are not, the Bubba's and Billy-Bob's you're actively trashing with that statement. Which means you probably have no business trying to discuss whether people get to reclaim the term or not.

Allow me to break this down:

rusted out pickup truck

A clear signifier of poverty and devalued labor. This could not be more transparent.

wife beaters and camo ballcaps

Another clear signifier of poverty and at the very least a rejection of professional attire (also maybe they're going hunting in that gear because food is fucking expensive as hell?). And the way you're coming at all of this, you make it seem like "oh Bubba and Billy-Bob just riding around..." like they're lazy and unproductive and like that's so terrible.

Bubba and Billy-Bob

Why do you think someone named Bubba or Billy Bob is some kind of an asshole? I swear this whole thing reeks of bourgie urban liberal bullshit. Like people who live in rural areas and small towns are somehow more ignorant, more racist, more hateful, etc. than people with great access to liberal education in the Enlightened North.

I live in a huge, liberal metropolitan area and also have friends and family from small towns all over the US, who live in some of these more demonized regions. I can tell you from first hand experience that while bigotry may be more explicit in some of these areas, it is by no means more extreme. There are present and active hate groups all across the US, in every type of city, suburb, small town, and rural stretch.

My city, which is considered a very welcoming and open-minded city has multiple active Klan chapters. And well-intentioned, liberal, benign racists working 80-hour weeks at the next big startup are every bit as hateful and harmful as your run of the mill ignorant hillbilly drinking and driving aimlessly through town.

The biggest difference being that all the yuppies in the big cities have a greater chance of being on juries, working for the government, and participating in organizations and projects that contribute to structural oppression. The urban bigots don't need to use slurs and generalizations when they can save face and fuck over POC from the top down. All while they live in their cushy white neighborhood, only to ever interact with the Model Minorities they met while getting their fucking liberal arts degree.

[–]you_are_all_slavesredblack 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

It absolutely is classist! That's my point. I didn't come up with this smear campaign, nor do I want to perpetuate it. Simply stating the definition that the masses believe encompasses the word doesn't mean that I agree with it in the least.

The fact is when you put that word out there, that is the imagery it conjures up in consensus reality for everyone else.

Not me.

Not you.

I'm talking about the uneducated propagandized masses.

And you're perpetuating the classist narrative.

No. Again, simply stating what consensus reality thinks it means doesn't mean I am perpetuating it. Quite the opposite.

I could be wrong but it lends to the assumption that you've never spent time around, and are not, the Bubba's and Billy-Bob's you're actively trashing with that statement.

And that's where you're wrong, not that your point even really matters, considering the context in which I am talking about. I was born and raised in that very environment, not that it is a requirement for critique from a sociological investigation standpoint.

EDIT: DONT JUST DOWNVOTE!

MAKE A REBUTTAL.

[–]can-we-fart-again 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Okay... well it seems like you're more invested in maintaining the status quo and suggesting that rednecks stay quiet and try and assimilate, "lifting themselves up" rather than being who they are, refusing to be ashamed of their poverty, reclaiming the classist slurs used against them, and taking pride in white trash shit without taking pride in white identity. And refusing to care what society tells everyone they are, because of their poverty.

Aside from just glossing over most of my argument, it reads like you're basically saying that Billy-Bob should go by William Robert, should trade in his a-shirt and camo gear for polo's and khaki's, and... save up enough money for a new truck?

"Consensus reality" also states that black people are inherently violent, dangerous, and sub-human. Do you also think that drill artists should stop calling themselves savage, put down the guns, and put on their job helmets, hop into the job cannon, and just shoot off into Jobland so that society will finally stop hating young black men?

Forgive me if I'm making too many assumptions here, I'm just not sure how else to read your line of reasoning.

Also, fair point about my logical fallacy - you don't need to belong to a demographic to have a relevant analysis - your arguments just read like you think poor whites (and the significant population of people of color who live in poverty in rural areas that are also called rednecks, hillbillies, etc.) need to beg for acceptance from the dominant culture just because Yankees have a ridiculous superiority complex.

Edit: Didn't even downvote. Provided rebuttal. Karma is just an ephemeral construct existing only in the collective imagination of reddit users.

[–]twitchedawake, I can't even describe it. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually agree with your point of view, as when i hear Redneck, i think of racists right wing gun nuts living in trailers with a Mississippi accent and trucker hats. Itd be like if an offshoot of the black panthers or BLM called themselves The Coon Platoon.

I know that "redneck" has a working class history and its not the same as that racists idea, but the terminology is in pop culture like that, in no small part because of Jeff Foxworthy and his ilk.

I personally havent formed my own opinion on the name, but i like the idea of the organization.

[–]Yoderman 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

put the red back in redneck, comrade.

[–]NotToiletPaperanarcha-anarcho-anarcha 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why not? I think redneck stems from west virginia miners who went against their governor. They wore red handkerchiefs round their necks so people started calling them rednecks. Something like that.

[–]infinitivephrase 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can confirm. Am West Virginian.

[–]you_are_all_slavesredblack 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

"The redneck has been stereotyped in the media and popular culture as a poor, dirty, uneducated, and racist Southern white man."

I get where it came from, but that's not what the word gets associated with today.

Just as we anarchists get called fucking Ayncraps. :(

[–]NotToiletPaperanarcha-anarcho-anarcha 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

we get called ayncraps? I don't live in the US, but even in the US isn't that usually on the internet? Never heard that in real life

[–]afkd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ancaps get called ayncraps. real anarchists dont.

[–]michaeltheobnoxiousJaded as Fuck 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You crazy... That name is balls!

[–]gnuworldorder 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

PA is an open carry state

[–]BBvXNEisew 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

West Virginia checking in. Any WV comrades here? No? I didn't think so. Carry on.

[–]dontmakethisweird 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you anywhere near Keyser? I live in MD, but it's the part of MD that is secretly West Virginian. Edit: and I would love to meet local comrades!

[–]BBvXNEisew 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy shit! I'm in the part of West Virginia that might as well be Cumberland. Do you have anything to do with the Green Anarchist flag spray painted near the Virginia Avenue underpass? PM me. We should organize.

[–]NotToiletPaperanarcha-anarcho-anarcha 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

TAKE DOWN THE SYSTEM GODDAMMIT.

[–]infinitivephrase 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Born and raised in Parkersburg. My father's people are from Merced County (Princeton). I now live in Houston.

[–]jpoRSbut in a reasonable way 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

More states are open carry than you think.

[–]I-Downloaded-a-Car 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Like almost all them http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OG-AC384_openca_G_20140822132909.jpg

[–]jpoRSbut in a reasonable way 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

(I don't see how that's substantively different from what I posted, but okay)

Especially when you consider how low the bar really is in the "licence required" states. Even the Florida, a "no open carry" state has stupid easy requirements to get a concealed carry permit.

[–]I-Downloaded-a-Car 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh shit, I didn't even notice you posted a link. I'm retarded sorry

[–]jpoRSbut in a reasonable way 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha, I don't know that I'd go that far. But I did spend way too much time trying to spot the difference, so whatever you are I am too.

[–]illuminati168 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Florida has a HARDER requirement than most states for concealed carry... it's one of the only CCW permits accepted out of the state that it was issued in.

[–]jpoRSbut in a reasonable way 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

HardER isn't the same thing as hard. Getting a Florida permit is really just a matter of paperwork and paying for a class.

(Assuming you're not a felon)

[–]Spineless_John 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We should make anarchism a redneck stereotype.

[–]cantquitreddit 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure that when the black panthers began advocating for their members to open carry, Ronald Reagan passed a law against it. These laws are so white people can feel safe against minorities and they hate when it's used against them.

[–]Potss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

VT we can carry however the fuck we want and have plenty of rednecks....just need the anarchists now....

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    [–]Dhapps 232ポイント233ポイント  (47子コメント)

    Fascists and liberals will complain that they are being aggressive and call it an outrage but this is exactly what the 2nd amendment was made for.

    [–]YipRocHeresy 34ポイント35ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Do anarchists care what the US Constitution says? I always thought they didn't.

    [–]Dhapps 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Not usually, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who do.

    [–]YipRocHeresy 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

    So serious question. US Constitution aside, how do anarchists feel about guns? In an anarchists community, would guns be allowed? Or frowned upon?

    [–]Boracho1121 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

    full disclaimer: not an expert

    an anarchist community couldn't regulate the possession of firearms (or anything really). they can come to a consensus on how they'd like things to be, but by the very nature of being anarchist it's more of a suggestion and it's up to the individual to follow along if they'd like. Obviously, you'd like things to be reasonable, and obviously you'd have to come together as a community if some armed-to-the-teeth warlord starts rising up.

    [–]Quietuus 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Keeping and maintaining defensive armaments as a community makes a lot of sense.

    [–]sensitivePornGuy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There's also a huge difference between having a weapons stash that was available to a community, and each individual having access to whatever weapons they please. Hopefully people would agree that the former is preferable, especially when it comes to really powerful weapons.

    [–]originalpoopinbutt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    as a community

    That's the difference between a public armory and everyone keeping a handgun in their bedside table though.

    [–]broke-from-the-wombwob / egoist / commie 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I can't speak for all anarchists but personally I encourage the training with and possession of firearms for all working people.

    [–]hamjam5Nietzschean 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Very much allowed. We know that if we aren't armed and able to resist that we'll end up ruled like we all are now.

    [–]robendboua 140ポイント141ポイント  (23子コメント)

    I think it was more about allowing a well regulated militia to ensure security of the state than to allow a bunch of dudes to protest on a street corner.

    Edit: My point wasn't that the 2nd amendment is for militias not private citizens, just that it wasn't for some dudes standing around with posters trying to make a point by showing off their guns.

    [–]Summer_Friend 47ポイント48ポイント  (15子コメント)

    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    The wording is very specific.

    People use the first bit to justify taking people's gun rights, but even if you believe it's made to allow for a militia, it is super specific: the people's right to bear arms shall not be infringed. And for my money the first part means both that the militia is important, and that the people need the means to defend themselves from the militia. ("Since a militia is necessary, we also need the people to have the means to resist the militia.") After all they just got done fighting a war against a tyrannical state militia.

    [–]boxotimbits 12ポイント13ポイント  (12子コメント)

    I thought a militia was different than an army and that the second amendment ensured the civilians had a way to fight against an army controlled by the government if necessary to keep their freedom.

    [–]theredwillow 27ポイント28ポイント  (10子コメント)

    If we interpret the goal of the second ammendment as giving organized civilians the ability to fight back tyranny (which I think it self-evidently is), that ship fucking sailed away a long time ago... back when the military started getting tanks and shit.

    [–]boxotimbits 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh, I totally agree. I mean, I think the constitution is dated in a lot of ways. The founding fathers were extremely intelligent people, but no one could foresee exactly how the world would change. Especially with due to industrial and technological revolutions.

    [–]Thrall_So_Hard 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Does the 2nd amendment protect the right to bear Javelin missiles?

    [–]FrankManic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's... complicated. You can argue that it was originally intended to mean all military arms, and that private citizens did own field guns during that time period, but it generally has not been held to support the private ownership of anything heavier than a semi-automatic weapon since the 1934 NFA. Basically, shortly after automatic weapons became common laws were written to restrict the ownership of automatic weapons and heavier ordnance by civilians, long before guided man portable missiles even became a thing.

    [–]gnuworldorder 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    that is what the nap is for /s

    [–]Thhueros 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Rifles and small arms can be used to seize armories.

    [–]theredwillow 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Unless the uprising was within military personnel, I don't see how any insurgents would be able to even get into a military base. Even so, once they get the weapons home, another base would likely send a drone to kill them.

    [–]Thhueros 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Theres armories all over the place, I grew up near one. They're not all superfortresses. As for drones, look at the war in Afghanistan. Drones/tanks aren't able to clear out illiterate peasant insurgents, lets not overestimate them.

    [–]cmagnificentAnti-Oedipal, Negative Dialectician[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Don't underestimate them either. The only reason so many insurgent/guerrilla groups have managed to hang on as long as they have is because they had the good sense to never, never underestimate who they were up against and conducted themselves accordingly.

    [–]Quietuus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The US military doesn't exactly have a shining track record when it comes to assymetric warfare.

    [–]Yardsale420 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Your bringing muskets... To a drone fight"- Jim Jeffries

    [–]picklesNathan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It allows this as an interpretation/extension for sure. I don't think the word 'militia' is necessarily meant to limit it to that context but I could be wrong.

    [–]criticalnegation 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    State is the word you want to watch there. Not people.

    [–]Summer_Friend 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Free state," not "state." If the state isn't free it isn't protected.

    [–]lf11 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The Vermont constitution -- ratified at a similar time -- laid it out more clearly than the Federal 2A:

    "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State – and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power."

    Says right there "for the defense of themselves." Yes, 2A protects state militias. But it most definitely protects the right of these dudes to stand there in masks with rifles.

    [–]whitebatinabox 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The idea that the 2nd amendment is in place to allow dissidents to arm themselves is a modern innovation created by the NRA and radical right wing. For most of American history the supreme court and much of the public did not have that opinion.

    When the constitution was written the US did not have a permanent standing army and relied on local militias for national defense. The 2nd amendment is in actuality advocating something more akin to what the Swiss have, at least in concept. At this time most Americans lived a rural, agrarian, existence also. Firearms were not rare amongst the public.

    The 2nd amendment is pretty damn clear despite all the bullshit surrounding it in the discourse

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    well regulated militia

    It is legitimately referring to state organized levies.

    The constitution is a document from about 250 years ago. It is the result of political conditions from that time period. Too many Americans fail to grasp this

    [–]kowalski10 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The idea that the 2nd amendment is in place to allow dissidents to arm themselves is a modern innovation created by the NRA and radical right wing.

    Then run with it. Because the fascists are openly professing their intent to murder you.

    [–]lf11 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fortunately, many of the state constitutions were written at the same time but with slightly different wording. Vermont's constitution, ratified in 1793, lays it out more clearly than the Federal 2nd Amendment:

    "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State – and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power."

    This clearly emphasizes an individual right to arms for self-defense and implies an organized militia but not anything that would constitute a standing army.

    [–]FukushimaBlinkie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's why one of the "founding fathers" said that it should be rewritten every generation

    [–]rleanor_eoosevelt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    i don't know why you're getting downvoted. you're exactly on point.

    amendment is pretty clear that it's giving freedom to states to form militias, and has nothing to do with the individual's own personal right.

    great article from a brilliant mind ripping Scalia to fucking pieces over this: https://newrepublic.com/article/62124/defense-looseness

    [–]scroopy_nooperz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    a well regulated militia

    The supreme court at some point said that militia is meant to be defined as armed men of military age, not necessarily an actual militia

    [–]7point7 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't think the 2nd amendment was made to intimidate the opposition within our country, but as a liberal I fully support anyone's right to possess a firearm and their freedom of speech.

    [–]TheImmortalLegendG 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    These people represent true freedom.

    [–]darlantan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Can't agree more.

    [–]markovich04 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you really want to fight a revolution you should have the wherewithal to get illegal guns.

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      [–]ATXAntifaOpenCarry 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Throwaway account that will soon be deleted, one of the open carriers, just wanted to say the anarchists there were awesome.

      [–]-Bathtub-Gin- 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      MLM?

      [–]originalpoopinbutt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This group seems to be "Red Guards Austin", who are Marxist-Leninist-Maoists, yes.

      [–]blueburn654 33ポイント34ポイント  (2子コメント)

      When the black panther party started doing this for their community, a republican official called for a ban on assault rifles.

      [–]BlaK_HawKI guess 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

      And that republican's name? Ronald Reagan.

      [–]negroyverdeAnarcho-Mad-Max 45ポイント46ポイント  (12子コメント)

      Needs more motorcycles. Motorcycles are tactically as important, if not more important, than guns themselves.

      [–]NotToiletPaperanarcha-anarcho-anarcha 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Shit have you seen those antifa patrols in Greece? They're all on motorcycles, badass af

      [–]negroyverdeAnarcho-Mad-Max 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You bet. Saving up to join them.

      [–]ditfloss| communist | nihilist | animal liberation 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      link?

      [–]CarePoliceAnarchist your anarchist friends hate 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

      ~I don't need no black AR, I just want my KLR!

      [–]ieatpussy69 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Choppers and choppas

      [–]Comrade_RedArmy 66ポイント67ポイント  (9子コメント)

      This literally makes me proud to be a leftist. Thank you for sharing you made my day :)

      [–]ATXAntifaOpenCarry 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Throwaway account that will soon be deleted, one of the open carriers, just wanted to say the anarchists there were awesome.

      [–]BasicLiftingService, surviving capitalism 42ポイント43ポイント  (5子コメント)

      This is fantastic.

      [–]MeAndLazarus 25ポイント26ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Beyond the obvious, what was the purpose of this particular protest? Did you do this at a targeted location, with lots of people? Any noticeable effect? It'd be more informative if you actually posted details instead of just a pic. (For all we know, you just went outside for some photos and called it a day.)

      [–]EZPEEZEE[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I just reposted it. It was on FB on some socialist pages.

      [–]eatznshitz 41ポイント42ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I was there. It was a counter protest to a white lives matter "rally", if you could even call it that, at the state capitol building. There were about a dozen wlm scum being protected by 80+ pigs from a crowd of at least 500. It was a great thing to see.

      [–]MeAndLazarus 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Interesting. I've never actually heard of a white lives matter event/protest - usually it's the "race-blind" "all lives matter," but this sounds a lot more skinhead-y.

      [–]eatznshitz 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They have actual fascist/neonazi ties. They scheduled their "rally" the same day as the unveiling of a black memorial at the Capitol.

      [–]originalpoopinbutt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It definitely is. "White lives matter" is something specifically neo-nazis are trying to make a thing.

      [–]Jewey 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      119 E 11th St

      https://goo.gl/maps/sWspj4smwpo

      [–]Jewey 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Directly across the street from the capital. Source: I drink too much on 6th street.

      [–]burgeoning_philosoph 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Maybe so that PoC can see that they have legit allies with some muscle rather than the bullshit "love trumps hate" we've been seeing?

      [–]vetofthefield 14ポイント15ポイント  (20子コメント)

      What's with the masks?

      [–]noreligionplease 66ポイント67ポイント  (15子コメント)

      It's in Texas so I'm assuming if they don't hide their identity there might be some kind of reprisal from their rightwing peers. As in if their faces start getting passed around Facebook it might be hard to keep/find a job, among other things.

      [–]mypersonnalreader 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Plus, it looks cool

      [–]serial_crusher 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Austin is not the rest of Texas.

      Being a leftist here isn't going to get you that kind of reprisal. The gun-carrying might get them reprisal from the other leftists, but my guess is just that they thought he masks looked cool.

      [–]negroyverdeAnarcho-Mad-Max 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I think the reprisal might come more from the state than other leftists.

      [–]Suspoppy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      As long as nothing happens and they're legally open carry thing they'll be fine. If they start intimidating others or breaking the law then they'll get into trouble. With how Austin is I'm sure these socialists (Hammer and Sickle regalia) will be fine.

      Texas is one way Austin is another

      [–]crucial-erudition 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      ...or fascists

      [–]DenverDarnell 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I mean, if we're seeing this picture on the internet, then reactionaries probably are as well. Best to stay masked up no matter how liberal your city supposedly is.

      [–]nowaydaddiohPost-Civ Anti-Carnist 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Idk what makes you think Austin liberals are accepting of actual leftists.

      [–]jingleheimer_spliff 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      You'd be fucking surprised. My sister is a member in that particular group in Austin. She's been harassed and threatened by people before even before she became a full blown commie, just for her involvement in demonstrating.

      Edit: I missed that you said you live there, it might just be her experience. She said in general the community is OK but there's been problems with individuals.

      [–]serial_crusher 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You may be right. I'm not involved in any sort of "activist" community so I wouldn't really be targeted by that sort of thing. Aside from people getting a little bothered if your "peaceful protest" makes traffic worse than it already is, I'm not aware of anybody who would have a problem with this sort of thing, but it only takes a small number of idiots to ruin things for the rest of us.

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        [–]hamjam5Nietzschean 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        In case things escalate and shit has to be done, then your face won't be on film doing said shit.

        Also it is an age old intimidation/ motivation technique humans have been doing since even before civilization.

        [–]whitebatinabox 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Can't be radicool without "cool"

        [–]crucial-erudition 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        the masks of those two people look a little too much like the klan imo

        [–]darlantan 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Awww yeah. I'd buy a box of ammo for this lot any day.

        [–]mypersonnalreader 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

        ITT: r/@/ goes in full liberal mode for the millionth time.

        [–]hamjam5Nietzschean 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Actually, I think it is nonregular r/@ users...maybe a brigade.

        [–]TheImmortalLegendG 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

        This is what freedom looks like.

        [–]hamjam5Nietzschean 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

        I actually didn't see these people out there yesterday. I saw their sign, but I was on the other side of the street from them I think, and never ran into them -- I'm glad they were out there doing this though.

        Can anyone PM what group they're with?

        [–]Dictator4ever 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

        Austin Red Guard

        [–]hamjam5Nietzschean 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

        I was guessing it was them but wasn't sure.

        Thanks.

        [–]NotToiletPaperanarcha-anarcho-anarcha 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

        What are they like? Their site says they're MLM.

        [–]hamjam5Nietzschean 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Yeah, they're MLM. They caused a bunch of divisive drama not too long ago around here, and it seems to me they've been using the old entryism tactic a lot.

        They do good stuff sometimes ( like this ), but I'd rather make a different antifa gun group than join theirs. Maybe we can do airsoft battles with them though for training purposes. Might be fun. Cathartic even.

        [–]Siopold 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

        They caused a bunch of divisive drama not too long ago around here, and it seems to me they've been using the old entryism tactic a lot.

        Could you elaborate? What was the drama and what's the entryism?

        [–]hamjam5Nietzschean 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

        The collective at the anarchist bookstore let them use the space for a socialist reading group, but then became dissatisfied to what degree the group was MLM specific propaganda and perspectives, so let them know they couldn't use the space for that group anymore. Red Guard responded by publicly and sharply denouncing the book store , accusing them of being divisive liberals, and asking groups and individuals in the radical community to sever ties and associations with the anarchist community around the bookstore.

        It caused a bunch of side taking, rifts and bad blood between folks who had been working together really well on several projects. And in the aftermath I met several people who felt like members of Red Guard had been trying to infiltrate their group in an entryist manner.

        [–]Siopold 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Oh wow that's interesting. Thanks!

        [–]PainusMania2018U WOT M8 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

        God yes, we need more like this.

        [–]Wantfreespeechnow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They look like Aiden Pierce from fucking watch dogs.

        [–]bigblindmax 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        We need more of these!

        [–]princess_greybeard 12ポイント13ポイント  (11子コメント)

        Wouldn't armed people in hammer and sickle masks make anarchists afraid too?

        [–]MilkArgument 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

        i am still learning, but it's my understanding that anarchists and communists get a long well enough to overthrow the government and upper class, and after that is done it gets a little seedy

        [–]BasicLiftingService, surviving capitalism 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Historically, yes.

        Right now is kinda an interesting time for socialists like myself. I'm a socialist first and an anarchist second. My views are still totally incompatible with 20th-century-dictatorists, but within the frameworks of libertarian municipalism and democratic confederalism, we can co-exist much more easily. We need to, if we're to avoid the mistakes of last century during a rising tide of crypto-fascist nationalist populism.

        [–]PaidToSpillMyGuts 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Mostly, yeah, but it depends on the anarchist. Social Anarchists are one of most common schools of anarchy and that's pretty similar to a non-state run version of communism.

        [–]Whys0_o 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Looka at the history of repression of anarchists by Marxists-Leninists, fuck them. So yes, anarchists should be afraid of these "communists". Altough i hope they aren't ML's but yeah.

        [–]jimichangas 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They actually are MLMs, unfortunately

        Edit: correction

        [–]kyousaya4life| seize the memes of production 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

        I was under the impression that like 99% of anarchist are communists

        [–]Faolinbeankilljoy 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Anarchists are communists by default in that both people believe in moneyless stateless societies, but not all communists are anarchists as some believe the state to be a vehicle with which to drive to socialism and the anarchists are like nah

        [–]CheerwellI want to give a shit again 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Anarchists are communists by default

        I don't think that's entirely accurate. There are branches of anarchism that would object to this. Those branches are pretty silly.

        [–]aspensmonster 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Anarchists be like: vanguardism; not even once.

        [–]OldWoband Green Syndicalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        And then there was that whole Trotsky-Makhno episode.

        [–]akejavel| syndicalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hammer and sickle - marxist-leninists =/= libertarian socialists

        [–]mypersonnalreader 7ポイント8ポイント  (13子コメント)

        Glad to know not all leftists are gun snobs. I'd do the same IF I could open carry

        [–]CheerwellI want to give a shit again 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Gun snobs? You mean anti-gun?

        I'm a gun snob in that I won't touch a Taurus or Hi Point and I consider the Vz.58 objectively superior to the AK.

        [–]afkd 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

        Nah, many on the USian left are very much pro gun. There is a vocal minority who are antigun but most i know, are very much progun.

        The right wing talking heads like to talk out of their ass and paint us all as antigun moonbats but thats all nonsense. You should see some of the arsenals the leftist tech money people have on the west coast. So sexy.

        [–]knowses 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

        An armed society is a polite society.

        [–]Potss 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Need more of you to join us! r/socialistRA

        [–]shitbagmcgoo 5ポイント6ポイント  (19子コメント)

        Do they actually have the old sickle and hammer on their masks? Cant really tell but if they actually do they have got to be the dumbest motherfuckers ive ever seen.

        [–]Dictator4ever 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Why?

        [–]noreligionplease 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Not really considering they're in Texas, that symbol paired with the open carry would pissed off a lot more people than just the guns and some signs.

        [–]mundzuk 12ポイント13ポイント  (10子コメント)

        What's wrong with that symbol?

        [–]negroyverdeAnarcho-Mad-Max 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

        Ties with ussr, which sucks

        [–]mundzuk 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

        True, but wasn't it in use for decades before the USSR even existed?

        [–]cristoper 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

        wasn't it in use for decades before the USSR even existed?

        I don't think so. As far as I know the symbol originated during the Russian Revolution and so carries strong connotations of Bolshevism, but if someone knows a more full history of the symbol I'm interested.

        [–]crucial-erudition 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        many who use it to consider it simply a symbol of the russian revolution and proletarian revolution in general.

        that said, these specific people are mlm who seem to view the shining path (sendero luminoso) positively :c

        [–]mundzuk 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Yeah I just looked it up you're right, I thought for some reason it went back further than the bolsheviks.

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          [–]Orafuzz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Looks like it.

          [–]bhgrove 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I understand the point they're making but I see this the same way I see a letter to the editor complaining about something and then signing it "anonymous."

          [–]RachieeMariee -5ポイント-4ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Ahh yes... when people believe fear is the answer the world will find peace. Naturally.

          [–]OldWoband Green Syndicalist 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

          In the '50s, many prominent civil rights activists armed themselves to keep from being slaughtered by the KKK. In a post-Bundy America, a visibly armed left may serve the same purpose.

          [–]broke-from-the-wombwob / egoist / commie 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

          What are you even on about

          [–]CheerwellI want to give a shit again 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

          /r/liberal is that way

          [–]MilkArgument -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

          one of the only liberal ideals i can't help but cling to is gun control. i have always felt the government should not be the only ones to have guns because that is terrifying, but i always consider the us's murder rates compared to countries with harsher gun control. can anyone direct me to some pro-gun leftist arguments?

          [–]Potss 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

          but i always consider the us's murder rates compared to countries with harsher gun control. can anyone direct me to some pro-gun leftist arguments?

          Gun laws do not correlate to lower violence or murder internationally or national. The Gini Coefficient, inequality, and socioeconomics do.

          There is your answer short and sweet.

          Here is a longer answer:

          And according to the DGU data The Violence Policy center (which is extremely anti-gun fyi) gives the low range estimates at ~67,000 DGUs per year. Consider this the extreme low:

          http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable.pdf

          FYI most estimates put it far higher, including the CDC:

          Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.

          http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1

          http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

          So how about gun crime/violence? Statistics show only .0005% of gun owners commit a gun related crime. Best estimates put gun ownership at 37% in America, and that was in 2013, the number today is estimated to be closer to 45% but shells go with the smaller number to do the math conservatively. So America has population of 318 million people. So the number of gun owners is 318,000,000 x .37 = 117,660,000 Source: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/06/04/a-minority-of-americans-own-guns-but-just-how-many-is-unclear/ So we have ~117,660,000 gun owners. What is the latest FBI statistic on violent crime? FBI database shows ~11,000 fatal gun crimes a year. So 117,660,000 / 11,000= .0000934897 = 99.99065% But there is a problem with this number, it doesn't take into account illegal gun ownership and assumes the legal gun owners are the ones causing all the crime. This source shows 90% of homicides involved illegally bought or sold guns, or owners who where previously felons: Source: http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvmurd.html So for fun lets re-run the numbers to differentiate between criminals and non criminals. Since a felony record disbars you from legally owning a firearm, yet 90% of murders are committed by those with felony records, we know only 10% of murders are committed by legal gun owners. So we have ~11,000 murders, ten percent of which are committed by previously law abiding gun owners. So that is 1,100 murders. So we have 117,660,000 law abiding gun owners commenting 1,100 murders, which comes out to 99.999065% So yes 99.999065% of Legal gun never murder someone. Only .000045% of them become murders. So as you can see, the stats clearly show that guns do not increase the likelihood of violent crime, or cause anyone to be less safe, quite the opposite as the DGU data shows.

          So using the high estimates for gun violence, and the low estimates for DGUs, DGUs outnumber use of a legally held weapon in a deadly violence by ~60 times.

          Also: https://dx.doi.org/10.1080%2F13504851.2013.854294 & http://cnsnews.com/commentary/cnsnewscom-staff/more-guns-less-gun-violence-between-1993-and-2013

          So even discounting the political implications, which are by far the most important, individual firearms ownership is still a net gain. Come join us over on r/socialistRA!

          [–]MilkArgument 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          this is great, thank u!

          [–]Potss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Np, glad to have you with us :).

          [–]kowalski10 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          How is our wealth inequality compared to those other countries? Is gun violence merely the symptom?

          [–]CheerwellI want to give a shit again 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          So, you're in favor of the state disarming the populace? The US's murder and crime rates have less to do with the availability of guns and more to do with socioeconomic issues like wealth disparity, a perceived or real hopelessness in one's inability to escape their poverty, toxic masculinity leading young men to believe the only way they can prove their manliness is to be angry and violent, etc.

          [–]MilkArgument 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          great points. not easy to fight ideals that have been preached to me my entire life, i appreciate ur response and ill do some more reading on it

          [–]CheerwellI want to give a shit again 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Ain't that the fuckin truth. It's hard to break free from those things that you've always accepted as truth simply because it's all you've ever known and you've never been introduced to an alternative. I'm still struggling with a lot of that myself, in many different avenues.

          [–]class4nonperson -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hammer and Sickle? No thanks.

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