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[–]Carl_MacLaren [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

It's funny how often people forget that it was the Democratic Party that favored slavery. And more recently, it was a democratic president (FDR) who decided it would be a good idea to put Asians in internment camps here in the US during World War II.

[–]ThePis7olStar [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The imperative there is the word "was"...

[–]Daxiongmao87 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You can't pick and choose. You either include all of history or none of it. Slavery is brought up so much when talking about racial issues, but connect it with Democrat? "Oh that was a long time ago"

[–]wonko221 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

All of that was before the conservative southern democrats fled the party in reaction to LBJ and his civil rights act.

The Republican party too these toxic people into its fold, and they have slowly been corrupting the formerly GOP into a bunch of divisive camps.

It might feel better to smugly shot back and take shots at the democratic party, but you would be well advised to take a realistic look at the undermining of conservatism.

Or do you think Trump, or Pence, really stand for what you believe in?

[–]Kumatei [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It really confuses me why they fled because of LBJ, the man was a unapologetic racist who was only pushing the civil rights act to galvanize support among black voters. I haven't actually seen too many statistics about the southern democrats, when did they start converting, and how many of them kept voting Republican after? As far as Trump and Pence, Trump wasn't a Republican until ten minutes ago, so no. Pence is a lukewarm conservative, but not horrible, for sure.

[–]shinypretty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I forgot I was a woman and therefore had to vote for Hillary. My bad.

[–]copperwatt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So are you for or against a Muslim registry? History happens in real time.

[–]puddboy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hmm, seeing a lot of people take credit for this line.

[–]chinamanbilly [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

... Said the people flying the Confederate flag.

[–]StabbyDMcStabberson [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Says the guy with a racial slur for a username.

[–]Nowin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Says the. ... you know what, never mind. You have a great day, sir.

[–]BridgeOfATelecaster [スコア非表示]  (81子コメント)

You know that they were the Conservative party back then, right?

[–]CarolinaPunkEsse Quam Videri [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No. they where not.

Conservatism in America as a political movement came into fruition with Buckley.

[–]RowdyMcCoy [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Are you telling me the conservative party succeeded from the Union? And the one wanting to maintain the Union and Constitution was the liberal party? Can you tell me when the parties flipped? It wasn't during the civil rights movement. Was it after?

[–]shinypretty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There's a difference between "succeed" and "secede."

[–]777Sir [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

No, no, no. The party that lumps people together as groups and supports things like making college entry harder for Asians swapped with the Republicans, who are the real racists for thinking people are created equal.

[–]tsxboy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

AA is so fucking racist but you're called a racist if you speak out against it. SES reasons I understand, but a rich minority/non white or asian can get into a college easier than a middle class white or asian kid.

[–]zzubba [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You're just wrong. Highly competitive applicants apply to schools each year. They pick the people that will make the campus diverse while still upholding academic excellence. For example at my school they bring in international students (lots from Asia, some from Europe) to help buck up tuition payments, and still bring in very intelligent people from America who offer different backgrounds and alternate experiences to privileged students. Don't blame yours or anybody else's inability to get into a good college/university on the fact that you're white. If you were a good enough student they would have taken you, that's how it works.

[–]shinypretty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

See, this shit pisses me off. I didn't go to school to get diversity. I went to school to learn (in my case, English and political science).

Colleges need to get over the idea that they exist for social engineering, and get back to teaching.

[–]Djw245167 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

And the conservatives started out as the liberals (John Locke and others). It's all semantics.

[–]Scoot_Ya_Boot [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No, the Republicans were liberal, and the Democrats were conservative.

They just flip flopped through time due to various issues.

[–]Djw245167 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not talking about parties, I'm talking ideals. There was no Republicans or democrats in that period of history.

[–]nelsonhartcare [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

"Conservative" party. I never understood the "liberal" and "conservative" labels on the two parties. I don't see how Repubs are even more "conservative" today. Dem seem pretty conservative towards econ/business regulations. Republican pretty liberal on this.

[–]BridgeOfATelecaster [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Conservative = economy of the individual and social of the community.

Liberal = economy of the community and social of the individual.

Libertarian = individual for both

Communist = community for both

[–]Judg3Smails [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Good stuff = democrats.

Bad stuff = Republicans.

Yea, we got it.

[–]BridgeOfATelecaster [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Nope. We're talking about liberalism vs conservatism. Not democrats and republicans. See my other post on about community vs social.

Dems and Reps are just more or less random labels.

[–]polypolyguyguy [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

Source?

[–]BridgeOfATelecaster [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

http://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html

Took about two seconds. I could link about 25,000 more articles if you want.

[–]AManHasNoFear [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

According to that article, it says both parties wanted larger government and expansion of federal power, minus democrats not wanting their slaves taken away by government. Republicans wanted bigger government power for the reason of expanding the United States, putting up railways/trade routes across the United States because it's better for business. Democrats were "conservative" in the sense they wanted to conserve their right to hold slaves. So technically Democrats were more conservative here because they wanted to keep slavery, as opposed to Republicans who were seeking to expand the United States and the trade within the country, and once that was accomplished they supported smaller government, and more conservative values because those are what is good for business.

Even still, the south remained largely democratic up until 1960ish when Barry Goldwater got the votes from these states. The reason for this is Goldwater believed it was unconstitutional for the federal government to enforce the civil rights act because the Constitution states that any power not explicitly given to the federal government went to the States. Since civil rights wasn't mentioned as a power for the federal government to give out, it should have fallen on the states. This is the reason why the democratic south voted Republican. The civil rights act was the only reason they voted Republican at that point, and eventually they started to accept more and more conservative values.

Overall, both parties in the 1880's wanted larger government for different reasons. The democratic party was only conservative in the sense they wanted to conserve their slavery-dependant lifestyle, while Republicans wanted to expand government in order to expand the United States and the business between states and then they immediately went back to smaller government and less federal power after that was accomplished. So no, they didn't really "switch platforms"

[–]CycloneJK [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Also, Dems were actually still running a segregation candidate into the 1980s.

[–]AManHasNoFear [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Having the states decide over civil rights I much more important than having a segregation candidate. The candidate has no say in anything if federal law says you have to follow it.

[–]Klanbake1924 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Even still, the south remained largely democratic up until 1960ish when Barry Goldwater got the votes from these states

Actually no, the South stayed largely Democratic at the state and local level until at least the 1994 elections. Not even the entire South went for Goldwater in 64' or Nixon in 68', George Wallace won more of the South that year and Jimmy Carter also won the region in 76'. Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama also won a bunch of Southern states. The region has only gone totally in GOP control at the state level within the last few years. Louisiana currently has a conservative Democrat governor and several Southern states like Georgia and Virginia were tight in this years Presidential election. The South didn't flip due to Civil Rights, it was economics and it was starting well-before the 60s.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/04/the-southern-strategy-debunked-again.php https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_coalition

[–]AManHasNoFear [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Goldwater won: Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina. And he was pretty close to winning West Virginia, Tennessee, and Virginia. He didn't win all of the south, but then again he was the first Jewish candidate at this time, which didn't resonate well with a lot of racist KKK members of the south, yet he still won those states. I shouldn't have said the Civil Rights act was the only reason, but it was one of the first times those southern states did start voting Republican. Civil rights act did have a part in why these states switched red in the 60's.

[–]Klanbake1924 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

first times those southern states did start voting Republican

No, the 1920s were when the South started edging away from the Democrats. The 1928 election was the first significant time because Al Smith was a catholic. Goldwater did not identify as Jewish and straight up said he didn't want the KKK support. Many Southerners also voted for Eisenhower in the 50s.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/ElectoralCollege1928.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1952 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1956

Civil Rights

Only a small handful of Dixicrats switched parties and they stopped espousing racist rhetoric. It wasn't as significant of a reason like /r/politics wants you to believe. Just think about this for a second, why would they switch to the party of pro-civil rights and ending slavery and continue being racist? The KKK never represented the majority of Southerners.

There's even a thread by a mod here about this issue.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/2ypllz/the_southern_strategy_myth/

The classic example of a switch that apologist like to use is Strom Thurmond even though they completely ignore his changing stances after he became a Republican while insisting Robert Byrd stopped being racist since he stayed a Democrat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond#Post-1970_views_regarding_race

switched red in the 60's.

Again, the Southern states stayed Democrat at the state level until at least 1994. George Wallace was a life long Democrat that founded the American Independent party in 1968 and won much of the South. Jimmy Carter also won the South in 76' and Clinton and Obama won some Southern states. The reason they've gone to the GOP recently in the 2010s at the state level is cause of backlash against the national parties economic policies.

"B-b-b-but North Carolina Voter ID laws"

Voter ID has bipartisan support. https://today.yougov.com/news/2013/07/31/democrats-back-voter-id-laws/

[–]Dougiethefresh2333 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

That article didn't say that it was false at all. In fact the link under the one you linked says it's fact. I was taught it was true in PoliSci as well.

[–]BridgeOfATelecaster [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

History.

[–]Djw245167 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you just say "History" as a source you don't understand history.

[–]polypolyguyguy [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

OK, so it's just in your mind. I understand.

[–]ahump [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

as a Master's student in history, and an American who has sat through numerous US history courses. This really isn't up for debate.

[–]BridgeOfATelecaster [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I posted a link in two other comments. Or you could just learn about it yourself.

[–]unibuckeyeNew Federalist [スコア非表示]  (24子コメント)

"But my party switch!"

That has been debunked.

[–]I_Just_Mumble_Stuff [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Who debunked that?

[–]Gooop456 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Dinesh D'Souza made it his past couple years work.

[–]afunnew [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Someone tell that to the Confederate flag wavers!

Tell them they should vote for the Democratic Party because the Democrats were the ones who supported the Confederacy.

Why the hell are they voting for the Republicans?

[–]CarolinaPunkEsse Quam Videri [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I mean a lot of them do and are still registered democrats.

[–]BridgeOfATelecaster [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

http://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html

Want another 25,000 more sources or are you going to deny it like climate change?

[–]Lawfulgray [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I don't know. Modern left seems to still think that black people can't live in white counties without a white person. They just changed the caregiver from rich white person to government programs. Even the link you sent points out that the laws that were passed were right after the civil war. You do not get equality by treating people different under the law based on race.

The article even makes the arguement that democrats are pro-black after passing welfare and simular programs. This would imply that black families are inhierently unable to finance their wellbeing. Democrats still see black people as inferior to white people and republicans pushing through one law in the fallout of a civil war is unconvincing to otherwise.

Tl;dr - You would need to prove a trend of political behavior, not using a one off event and poorly compare it to modern events.

Edit: I wouldn't have expected argueing that consevatives arent racist would be so unpopular in /r/conservative

Edit edit: downvotes seem to have faded after the immediate downvotes.

[–]Djw245167 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm pretty sure we are being brigaded. That's why.

[–]Lawfulgray [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thanks for letting me know. I can't stand the myth that politics is determined by geology and cause the south has become more red that republicans are now the same as the south over a century ago.

I am also not enjoying the use of comparing two unrelated arguements (global warming and right/left switch) to shame people into not arguing back. When each of those should be argued seperately by people whose opinions don't neccessarily overlap.

[–]Lookoutbehind [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Where did he say conservatives are racist?

[–]Lawfulgray [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Did you not read his link? One of the things it mentions is a reversal on the party's stance on race.

Edit: this is why I responded to the comment with the link and not his first assertion.

[–]willyea22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That site on mobile is cancer can I get a mirror?

[–]yellow_viper [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Did he actually say this? Because this was a popular post from /r/The_Donald last week.

[–]DrByeah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Rob has gone a bit batty in recent years.

[–]chuckDontSurf [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hey Rob Schneider is still alive! Good for him.

[–]fellonmyself [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The people he is critiquing are not. He is staying relevant by telling people who are alive that they are responsible for decisions of the dead. It all ties in.