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LIBERAL ROCKER SLAMS ‘Hamilton’ Harassment Of Pence: “IT’S BULLYING” (TWEETS) (americanlookout.com)

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[–]BadJuJu2 18ポイント19ポイント  (18子コメント)

The cast can buy a full page ad in a magazine/newspaper or go on one of the thousands of pro liberal MSM outlets and do an interview. To do it from the stage ( before, during or after the performance) singling out One person in the crowd ( knowing he is probably going to be heckled, booed) and lecturing him is condescending and wrong on a lot of levels. People came to see a performance...not to be singled out and belittled, instructed, preached to about your politics...and your not even in office yet. Another example of why liberals lost the election.

[–]dekuscrub 0ポイント1ポイント  (17子コメント)

singling out One person in the crowd

... the one person likely to exert a substantial impact on the course of the nation/planet going forward.

Another example of why liberals lost the election.

Politely expressing their ideas, rather than shouting "Loser! Sad!" at him?

[–]cipher_sixConservative 14ポイント15ポイント  (16子コメント)

Time and place. Why didn't they ask him for a private meeting? Why did they claim a ”conversation” was had when it was just a one-sided lecture?

It's pretty obvious that they chose a public forum because they wanted him and Trump publicly embarrassed. They didn't want a "conversation" or they would have chosen a time and place where they could actually have one. They wanted to turn the theater into a bully pulpit and they succeeded.

Also, I doubt you or they stopped to consider that there were likely people who voted for Trump in the audience just trying to have a relaxing evening out. Instead, they got condescended to and lectured and made to feel unwelcome by people who obviously considered themselves their betters. Liberals who can't figure out why Trump won need look no further than crap like this.

[–]dekuscrub -3ポイント-2ポイント  (15子コメント)

Why didn't they ask him for a private meeting?

Why shouldn't they express their concerns about public stances taken by a public figure in public?

Why did they claim a ”conversation” was had when it was just a one-sided lecture?

If he wants to respond to their concerns (aside from his boss accusing them of bullying), who's stopping him?

They didn't want a "conversation" or they would have chosen a time and place where they could actually have one.

Public conversations are, in fact, a thing.

Instead, they got condescended to and lectured and made to feel unwelcome

Sad to hear that they were made to feel unwelcome in a theater by people expressing how the election made them feel unwelcome in a country.

Excuse me while I fetch my microscope to search for an appropriately sized violin.

Liberals who can't figure out why Trump won need look no further than crap like this.

I feel like I must have switched realities at some point, because quite a few people seem to be under the impression that Trump/Trump supporters spent the past 18 months trying to have factual/reasoned conversations.

[–]cipher_sixConservative 12ポイント13ポイント  (8子コメント)

And here we have more of that fabled liberal condescension.

I appreciate the instruction on proper decorum when dealing with public figures. I have learned that no time or place is inappropriate to confront someone about whatever you feel is important. Is he with his family? Fuck those guys; your gut-twisting need to be heard is more important. Is he even in office yet? Doesn't matter; you are important and worth dropping everything for even though absolutely nothing is gained by confronting him right fucking now versus at a more appropriate time and place. I have learned confrontational behavior in public is now socially acceptable and having political arguments in public is no longer passé. It will be difficult to overcome my sense of patience and common decency, but I'll remember your words as I strive to make myself and my fellow Conservatives worse human beings. Thank you.

[–]dekuscrub [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

And here we have more of that fabled liberal condescension.

Is this the new deflection? Who needs to make points, just accuse the other guy of being condescending.

I appreciate the instruction on proper decorum when dealing with public figures.

You accused the cast of being inappropriate, and I disagreed. Heck, you do it later on in this post when you refer to a more "appropriate" setting. You'll forgive me for not taking your preferences as divine mandate.

I have learned that no time or place is inappropriate to confront someone about whatever you feel is important.

If you win a national election, I'm comfortable saying that your right to be left alone in public (if such a thing exists) is suspended.

having political arguments in public is no longer passé.

An odd way to phrase "expressing your concerns to your elected officials."

[–]shinypretty [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Cool. So, by your own rules, I can now go buy a ticket to this, and holler anti-liberal sentiments from my dear. Because I have concerns and I'd like to start a public conversation about them. And this, by your definition, is a perfectly proper venue for me to do so.

[–]dekuscrub [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It's, quite literally, their platform. You don't have any grounds to say or do anything there, unless they decide to have an open mic night.

[–]shinypretty [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

That's not a conversation, which is what you claimed this is. This was a lecture.

[–]dekuscrub [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Again though, it's not like anyone expected Pence to walk up on stage and respond. To issue such an invitation would be putting him on the spot. But he could respond any time he so chooses.

And while I don't think it's unreasonable for the cast to say they were 'starting a conversation,' I don't think that's the best description. I'd say they were petitioning their elected representative.

[–]shinypretty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's not how you petition. That IS how you lecture.

Look, we're never gonna agree on this. I call it classless and tacky, you call it a discussion or a conversation (which it isn't). There's no meeting in the middle for us, I'm afraid.

[–]TaraTulip [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Trump supporters spent the last 18 months voting that man IN. He's IN... get over it. If you want to fight against the machine, do so. But, the machine is working the same now as it was for Obama.

[–]moralsforever 24ポイント25ポイント  (10子コメント)

The end result of these antics - be it on stage bullying or protesting - is alienating the moderates of this country.

It's a mean version of preaching to the choir. Only people who blindly hate conservatives will approve of those who are mean to Pence on stage or are smashing things to show their frustration against Trump.

The rest of the country who just wants the nation to succeed regardless of who leads it aren't going to rally to their cause due to behavior like this. They'll do the opposite and distance themselves.

[–]graycrawford 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

Did you watch the footage? They are the opposite of mean to Pence.

[–]Belchie 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

Talking down to an audience member from the stage is bully tactics no matter how "polite" they try to make it sound. The proper way would have been to invite him backstage.

[–]graycrawford -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Were they talking down? There was no belittlement or disparagement, it was quite respectful.

[–]Belchie 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir.

Their statement implies that he's somehow a terrible person who needs to be taught not to be a threat to everyone and everything (which is BS), and they call him out in a way that he can't explain or defend himself. That is textbook bullying.

[–]kaiotoConstitutionalist 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are 100% correct. The way that idiot could presume to suddenly speak for all minorities and claim they were justifiably afraid because their opponents don't care about the well-being of minority kids or the rights of minorities was despicable. Imagine someone doing the same thing to, say, Barrack Obama or Hillary Clinton at the end of a performance on account of them being advocates for partial birth abortion.

"We, sir, we are the compassionate America who are alarmed and anxious that you administration will not protect the lives of the unborn, condones murdering children in-utero based on their sex or disability, and finances the practice of infanticide against survivors of abortion ... We hope that our performance tonight has taught you the value of human life and the wrongness of dehumanizing children in the womb so that we can work forward to an America where we all respect the dignity of the human person."

Dude would be fired on the spot. CNN would be all over the place that, "Fanatical anti-abortion advocates verbally assault President Obama after their stage performance. This inappropriate and vicious attack was likely racially motivated." Blah blah blah ad nauseam.

[–]ultimisConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They were soap boxing and strawmaning him in a venue that doesn't really ever call out audience members.

[–]shinypretty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It wasn't respectful. It was tacky and classless. Respectful would be inviting him backstage and having an actual talk, you know the kind, where both sides get to speak.

[–]ultimisConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ben Shapiro wrote a book on this tactic from the left. I believe it was called Bullying or something of the sort.

[–]BrighamYoung 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, at least they have one person with some class. Good on ya, Stevie!