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[–]American2ndReich 346ポイント347ポイント  (98子コメント)

I don't think it would happen, but those guys obviously do. So I have one thing to say to people looking to buy weapons for some sort of revolution: Don't buy 7.62X39, buy 5.56X45 5.56 is the most common manufactured round in the U.S. by far. It's the round (for the most part) used by all U.S. police and military forces. if you honestly think a revolution is going to break out, you're going to run out of ammo fairly quickly with those 7.62 weapons.

[–]c0mbobreakerAll Power to the Soviets 81ポイント82ポイント  (30子コメント)

There's far more to revolution than armed combat. If anything, I think people should buy guns for self defense. I believe this group is trying to make a statement, not show the world what they'll be using if and when shit hits the fan.

[–]American2ndReich 27ポイント28ポイント  (29子コメント)

I think if there was any sort of armed revolution, it would never be a full uprising. A full scale revolution against the most powerful military the world has ever know (by far) would be futile. An armed revolution would be a mixture of mass shootings, bombings, and assassinations. It's the only way small arms could possibly take on the state.

[–]-H-E-L-I-X- 49ポイント50ポイント  (13子コメント)

Or the military joins the revolutionaries like in Russia

[–]imeakvidyageamsThe masses lead the revolution 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's nothing exclusive to Russia, most revolution include having at least most of the army going over to the other side.

[–]Feshtof 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only the successful ones.

[–]TDuffinSupreme Leader Corbyn I 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ideally. Even then the Navy or Air Force alone could deal with most threats unless they take too long to deploy SEAD.

[–]donkeykongsimulatorchicanx mlm 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

Honestly doubt this would happen, the american military is far more petit-bourgeois than the russian military was, and the biggest factor to soldiers supporting the revolution then was the end of WW1 in Russia, a wildly unpopular war. Most wars in America are highly supported by most members of the military, so it would mean america losing most of its wealth and power to get american soldiers, and white american settlers in general, to go for the proletarian revolution.

[–]TwerkersOfTheWorld 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think it would be more appropriate to call members of the military lumpenproletarians rather then petite bourgeoise. The petite bourgeoise are essentially small business owners, but the lumpenproletariat refers to reactionary, counterrevolutionary elements of the working class. By Marxist interpetation, the lumpenproletariat bears no revolutionary potential.

[–]_carl_marks_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah a lot of these guys are poor kids who live in an area where the best oppurtunity for employment is the military.

The officers that come through the academies though...they can't ever been won over. Those are the petty bourgeoisie elements

[–]whirlpool138 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Most military officers don't come from academies like West Point and instead are picked up right after they finish their undergrad degrees in college/university. Most officers in the united states are liberally educated college graduates who take advantage of the military's benefits to further their careers and education. They are the same poor kids as before, just a little farther along in school.

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    [–]marlax1gMirsaid Sultan-Galiev 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    but the lumpenproletariat refers to reactionary, counterrevolutionary elements of the working class.

    not true, that'd be an implication derived from the actual definition of lumpenproletariat

    By Marxist interpetation, the lumpenproletariat bears no revolutionary potential.

    per marx yes, but amongst marxists not necessarily

    https://anti-imperialism.org/2014/04/06/the-lumpenproletariat-and-the-revolutionary-youth-movement/

    [–]yorkcroftworking class engineer 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    a lot of them are ultra-patriotic lumpenproletariat, but a lot of them are also there simply because the capitalist system gave them no other option and wars like iraq and vietnam were extremely unpopular and another one like that on the horizon wouldn't be dissimilar to russia in ww1.

    [–]donkeykongsimulatorchicanx mlm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    enlisted recruits are more likely to come from middle and upper classes

    iraq and vietnam had substantial movements against them, but still most soldiers supported them immensely. Most of these movements came from outside the military.

    [–]Seed_EaterSyndicalist | IWW 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I disagree. While long-termed armed conflict at a guerrilla or insurrectionary scale can be effective at maintaining momentum and making statements, it's a much much less effective method of revolt. Looking at the FARC, the IRA, the RAF, or any of the Maoist groups in Asia, it's pretty obvious that while these groups can maintain momentum for long periods of time and survive well, they're also extremely alienating and ultimately fail at their goal or simply just never achieve them. It's revolutions like the Arab Spring, Russia, Spanish, and Irish, which involve large portions of the population and sympathy from the military, which have always succeeded. Guerrilla wars are alienating and only serve to demonize us. No one wins an offensive guerrilla war in a developed or highly militarized nation.

    [–]c0mbobreakerAll Power to the Soviets 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Revolution isn't a handful of guerrillas with guns shooting at cops and soldiers in the street. I think the problem here is that you have misconceptions about what socialist revolution is and what it would look like.

    [–]American2ndReich 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I don't disagree with this. But I am aware of many other ways a socialist revolution could happen, i don't think violent revolution is the only way.

    [–]c0mbobreakerAll Power to the Soviets 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The fact that you keep saying "violent revolution" is a tell. A revolution will always have violence. You're really arguing with a straw man when you keep saying things like how an armed revolution will never overthrow the US state, because there isn't a communist alive that envisions a small red army marching on Washington and taking over state power. That's not what a socialist revolution is.

    [–]American2ndReich 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    i think it's more of a communication error than a straw man argument. It's hard to get a real point across with reddit messaging. I figured you were talking about a Bernie Sanders "political revolution"

    [–]thebeautifulstruggle 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mass strikes, sabotage, and economic disruption.

    [–]thagenius17 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I can't say it as fact but I suspect there are entities around the world that would be interested in supporting armed revolution in the US. Perhaps it wouldn't be out of place to see rebels and weapons sent in support of conflict, which still might not be enough, but would probably make a difference.

    [–]fuzzyblackyeti 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

    You are going based off the idea that the average US military member is going to fire on their own people.

    [–]c0mbobreakerAll Power to the Soviets 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We have countless historical examples of this happening, and this is prior to social conditioning that has made the current US soldier pull the trigger with far less hesitation than his predecessors. Imagine soldiers at a large gathering of, say, Black Lives Matter protesters. Do you really think they would hesitate to pull the trigger on people they believe to be subhuman criminals? All opposition will be painted in the same way: Barely human, definitely not American, and a threat to the traditional way of life.

    [–]TDuffinSupreme Leader Corbyn I 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The problem is propaganda; they're told that they're firing at terrorists.

    You already have police officers who shoot anyone showing minimal amounts of force, what's to stop a soldier who's trained at a subconscious level to open fire at threats to do the exact same?

    They will gladly fire on you. A few might get cognitive dissonance over time, but the majority will wipe anyone out showing opposition if their seniors tell them to.

    [–]fuzzyblackyeti 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, but their seniors would have to cover up all forms of media pretty quickly. They'd have to confiscate phones, radio, television, internet. It'd be too hard for someone not to know that what they're being told is a lie.

    And that's even assuming that the seniors would even give the order.

    [–]American2ndReich 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Yes, this is a flaw in my argument, my bias is growing up in a military family. I see most members of the military to be very right-wing.

    [–]fuzzyblackyeti 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I see that point, but I would think that even the people further right than the average republican wouldn't do something like that.

    I think it would take a huge lie, and an insane amount of cover up to get the soldiers to listen to you.

    [–]Bananapepper89 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    IMO it would. I have many family members in the Army and Marine Corp and they see their duty as service to the American people. I'm positive they would defect before firing on any American.

    [–]whirlpool138 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I am willing to bet that their would never be a direct conflict between the military and the United States people like the Civil War again. The modern United States military is organized to have no preference or central location to a certain geographic region. Forts, bases and military service members are spread out all across the country for this reason. Then there is all the state National Guards and individual state guard units.

    On top of that, the Pentagon seems like it has been having major issues with Trump since he won the election (he blew off a meeting with them for over a week?). I know a lot of people on here aren't too big on the US military, but it's far more politically neutral than people think.

    [–]pearldrop 109ポイント110ポイント  (29子コメント)

    Thank you, Comrade

    [–]American2ndReich 67ポイント68ポイント  (28子コメント)

    They have AK variants that fire 5.56X45 if you must go for that Rebel look the AK naturally brings.

    [–]Thangleby_Slapdiback 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

    What every stylish revolutionary is looking for - just in time for Christmas!

    [–]underhunter 25ポイント26ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Or the reliability and ruggedness, for the price.

    [–]Haacker45 29ポイント30ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Modern ARs are just as rugged and reliable as AKs and in the US an AR is cheaper than an AK.

    [–]Floatsm -5ポイント-4ポイント  (8子コメント)

    The higher ones yah. But low end ARs jam a lot more and are a lot more finicky with water and dust

    [–]nitsuJcixelsyD 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah that's true with any firearm, go too cheap and you sacrifice reliability. Look at cheap US made AKs like the RAS47, they are garbage. Dollar for dollar a modern AR is just as reliable as the AK.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SoInLpKQK8s

    [–]Carrlll 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Finicky with water and dust? Wtf.

    [–]Haacker45 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    If you buy the bottom of the barrel, that is true for pretty much any product. A $500 Ruger AR556 won't give you any issues. Your second point is absolutely untrue, in reality the AK platform is more likely to run into issues with dirt ingress because the action is open to the elements.

    [–]TarvarisJacksonOooohReading: Joe Hill by Franklin Rosemont 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Comrade, show me where this 500 dollar AR556 is.

    [–]KillerCoffeeCup 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not sure what you're talking about. I built an AR for around 1000 on a piston upper, 2000 rounds through it now haven't cleaned once. Just keep the bcg lubricated and bore clean.

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      [–]HowObvious 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

      5.45 is probably going to be even more rare. An ak in 7.62 NATO could be a good compromise.

      [–]American2ndReich 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

      5.56X45 not 5.45 ;) But i agree with your 7.62X51 nato round

      [–]Molly_Battleaxe 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

      why do you think there is a slash in these cartridge names. There is a slash in cartridge names, but not these.

      [–]American2ndReich 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

      5.56= bullet diameter in mm. 45=case length in mm. NATO assault rilfes uses 5.56/45. and 7.62/51 Russian Assault rifles (the famous AK) uses 7.62/39 and 5.45/39

      [–]HowObvious 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      He understands that but bullets are usually written with X not / as you say it's 5.56 by 45 5.56x45.

      [–]American2ndReich 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      My mistake, Howobvious it was

      [–]Molly_Battleaxe 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      some have x 5.56x45mm 7.62x51mm 7.62x39mm 5.45x39mm 7.62x54r some have dashes .30-06 .30-30 .45-70 some have slashes .577/450 martini-henry

      thats just how they are called m8

      [–]American2ndReich 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      k

      [–]karma_carcharodon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The dashes signify a different meaning that has nothing to do with case length. The .30-06 signifies that it is a .30 inch diameter round designed in 1906. However, the second 30 in .30-30 refers to the standard load of 30 grains of powder. All "x" designations refer to diameter and case length.

      [–]Crabbity 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      dont forget about 300 blackout its 7.62x35 (5.56 brass necked down to fit a 7.62 bullet)

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        [–]Bushmo_IncKropotkin 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

        *additional note based on research to dispel any misconceptions:

        Not all weapons chambered for .223 rem are able to fire 5.56 safely unless stated explicitly by the manufacturer.

        [–]American2ndReich 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        This is true, most can, but good point. Make sure the weapon says 5.56/.223

        [–]TarvarisJacksonOooohReading: Joe Hill by Franklin Rosemont 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Or better yet, make sure you have at least one weapon that fires the following calibers:

        9mm

        .45acp

        7.62x39

        5.56/.223

        .357

        .308/7.62 NATO

        12 gauge

        .22lr

        30-06

        .50 Beowulf

        .50 BMG

        And on and on...a comrade can dream...

        [–]nautilius87 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        M829

        ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

        [–]TarvarisJacksonOooohReading: Joe Hill by Franklin Rosemont 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Minuteman III

        ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

        [–]EZPEEZEEHuey[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        .40 :)

        [–]DagonPie 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I've seen some nice .40s but I like shooting my .45 more. Plus the ammo around here is way cheaper.

        [–]HabloEspwnol 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        But then this guy couldn't stunt on his compatriots with the AMD65, imho my favorite AK variant.

        [–]yourmatchmyfiresocialist 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

        How would you recommend going about buying a handgun for self-defense? Any particular model? Should I go to a gunshop, an outdoor supplier (like Cabela's), take a class first? I have fired guns before but only rifles, never loaded them. My brother is a hunter so I could get pointers from him. He has a few rifles for hunting, which will definitely come in handy should the economy really crash and food becomes too expensive (as I've seen reports that inflation will occur in the near future from the capitalists themselves), but I'm thinking of gun for self-defense. Lots of crazy right wingers around here, who knows.

        [–]Crabbity 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/005/743/fd4.png

        and remember, just because 556 fits in 223 chamber, doesnt meant you should.

        [–]soldierofortune1017 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Just to point out, they have two AR15s and an AMD64 (Romanian Kalashnikov variant that tends to be chambered in 5.45X39).

        [–]EvolutionVII 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Romanian Kalashnikov

        Hungarian.

        [–]socsa 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Specifically, buy something which can fire both the NATO 5.56 round and .223

        [–]Michaelscot8 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'd have to disagree with you there. Any place where 5.56 would be available that 7.62 or 5.45 wouldn't be, It is very likely that there would be nearby a rifle to fire that 5.56.

        [–]Potetowhech 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Is this serious? I honestly can't tell, but I am quite curious to your thoughts if this is actually sincere

        [–]American2ndReich 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

        About using different types of ammunition or having a revolution? My honest thought on the matter: I have absolutely no idea whether a revolution will happen in my life time. If a revolution were to happen, all I'm saying is people should get weapons that use the same type of ammo as the government, as ammo will be more plentiful.

        [–]Potetowhech 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        That's a really techincal point of view, i was looking for a more political one

        [–]American2ndReich 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Sorry, I don't quite get what you're asking me.

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          [–]Steel_Wool_Sponge 64ポイント65ポイント  (8子コメント)

          I think this is a fantastic idea but tbqh those people don't look like they could fight their way out of a paper bag and so this individual photo is not good propaganda.

          [–]kerrrsmack 30ポイント31ポイント  (7子コメント)

          This is Austin. 100% chance these are rich hipsters who borrowed their dad's/uncle's/brother's AK's for a Facebook picture.

          What are you going to do? This is Texas; everybody has guns, and they can shoot better than you, princess.

          Source: Texan.

          [–]Kikariskatoo optimistic 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

          , princess

          is it necessary to act like a macho douchebag lol

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            [–]sjcmbamWE NEED A PLATFORM TO KEEP THE BOURGIES OUT 43ポイント44ポイント  (3子コメント)

            people's militias when

            [–]yourmatchmyfiresocialist 136ポイント137ポイント  (49子コメント)

            Right wingers like guns but only when they're in the hands of other right wingers.

            [–]duckstuck 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Guns for everyone!

            [–]Shadowstalker75 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Not true.

            [–]apalm8 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That's not true.

            [–]Geralt-of_Rivia 114ポイント115ポイント  (26子コメント)

            That's not true.

            *the mods banned me for this. I guess this sub doesn't care about free speech. Apparently this is a safe space; a SJW haven.

            [–]excitedllamaAnarcho-communist and rabble rouser 62ポイント63ポイント  (12子コメント)

            How about that time the NRA supported america's strictest gun control laws in a direct response to the Black Panther Party?

            [–]BushDidSixtyNine11 29ポイント30ポイント  (10子コメント)

            Does that mean every republican is with it? Speaking about and treating a group of people badly instead of the sole individual is the reason thus country is going to shit. Don't be the problem.

            [–]excitedllamaAnarcho-communist and rabble rouser 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

            How about when Reagan introduced said legislation? Republicans in California eagerly supported increased gun control. Governor Reagan told reporters that afternoon that he saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” He called guns a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.”

            http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/

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              [–]Gyshall669 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Yes it is.. even now republicans support no fly no buy because it will keep gums out of the hands of brown people.

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                [–]2edgy4me 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Im conservative and I think everyone should have guns, however I dont think you should threaten people with gun violence for being racist.

                [–]amateur-dentist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Just do it in a dogwhistle fashion like right wingers. Tell minorities to arm themselves to the teeth for protection from violent criminals and you never have to actually make a threat.

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                    [–]NuclearOops 66ポイント67ポイント  (12子コメント)

                    Nazi: Ha, this'll be a cinch takin' over, fuckin' liberals don't like guns.

                    (double take)

                    Oh shit! Leftists!

                    [–]oEMPYREo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yeah, this group pictured looks so strong and threatening...

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                      [–]Mouthtuom 27ポイント28ポイント  (7子コメント)

                      This needs to happen across the left spectrum. I'm not a socialist, but I'm right there with you guys. Arm yourselves, protect your family and your neighbors.

                      [–]Cr0okedFinger 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      This is a thing because they just gained the right to open carry recently. Here in Indiana we've been able to open carry for a LONG time and you rarely see anyone doing it. Because guns are heavy and get in the way, lol.

                      [–]chrisn750 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Open carry of long guns has been legal in Texas for a long time. It's open carry of pistols, with a license, that happened recently.

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                        [–]ethnicsquashCommunalist 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        What's up with all the reactionaries in this thread? Do they feel threatened?

                        [–]peace_for_everyoneⓋ 48ポイント49ポイント  (48子コメント)

                        This group would made me fear for my life regardless of my political beliefs. I really don't understand America.

                        [–]CallRespiratory 43ポイント44ポイント  (27子コメント)

                        You're talking about a society where people have signs on their houses saying "TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT!" and think that is perfectly acceptable. People brag about violent thoughts and tendencies. They are not only willing but eager to kill for perceived crimes such as touching someone's lawn.

                        [–]peace_for_everyoneⓋ 2ポイント3ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        Does this mean that the fear of seeing guns in public is not as high for average Americans? Because they're used to the possibility of getting shot for inane reasons?

                        [–]Resistiane[🍰] 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        I live in Arizona, we have open carry laws here. It's really not common to see anyone actually do it. I'll maybe see it once a month or so. I'm not comfortable with it but, they're within their rights so, you either get over it or move some place else.

                        [–]peace_for_everyoneⓋ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Do you think that most people are more comfortable with it than you?

                        [–]Ukani 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I think most people see it the same as someone running naked through the street. Its strange. Its surprising. It makes you stop and double take. Once you have a second to process what you're seeing you kinda get over and think "Ok. What ever. Just a crazy guy trying to be edgy." Then you maybe give the guy some space and move on with your day. Thats my perspective at least.

                        [–]TheKittenConspiracy 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        It's about context. If I saw someone with a gun here I might do a double glance at them, but not really think much of it. If I was in Europe or somewhere and saw a gun on the street I would probably be more worried if that makes sense. I used to get groceries at a place that also sold guns and it's normal. You never really think or are worried about getting shot because guns are a normal part of life here.

                        [–]peace_for_everyoneⓋ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Thank you for this comment. If that's the case, then it's more understandable to me. I know I'm looking through the optics of my experience and my cultural background, but in this case it's hard to accept the differences. :)

                        [–]CallRespiratory 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        It varies by state. In "open carry" states it is not uncommon to see guns in public many places.

                        [–]EngelsSaysEngels 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        The people on the other side have guns too. Once you realize that the ruling class and all those with false consciousness (fascists, reactionaries, liberals, etc...) are heavily armed then arming yourself is simply the next logical step. Don't assume that the law is here to protect you or that the police are on your side, you are an enemy to the ruling class the moment you begin organizing for systemic change.

                        [–]peace_for_everyoneⓋ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Thanks, your comment makes a lot of sense.

                        [–]MrFarly 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        i know this isnt a direct comparison but in america people who open carry and conceal carry have a lower crime rate than the police themselves. its definitely different to see open carry but someone doing it is generally super supportive of their right to own and doing something stupid to have that right taken away from them is unlikely.

                        [–]yellingatrobots 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        No. Guns are not inherently dangerous. They are tools. I react the same way seeing a gun in public as I do seeing a shovel. 99% of gun owners in the US are responsible and I see no issue with them carrying them as they please. You're more likely to die from a prescription drug OD than you are by getting shot.

                        [–]Bill_Raped_Me 1ポイント2ポイント  (15子コメント)

                        Should trespassing be legal?

                        [–]CallRespiratory 28ポイント29ポイント  (9子コメント)

                        Even if it's illegal is walking across somebody's grass worthy of an on the spot death sentence?

                        [–]Will0saurusBest Laid 5 Year Plans 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Private property is theft

                        [–]_carl_marks_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Idk is someone taking a shortcut through your yard worthy of a death sentence?

                        [–]TiakLibertarian Socialism 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Private property should be illegal. So, effectively, yes.

                        [–]Orphan_ScriptAngela Davis 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        The point in demonstrations like this is to send a message to right wingers that we can defend ourselves in case of attack. There is a lot of right wing violece in this country, be it from average reactionaries or the police. Fact is, a lot of people die here every year because they weren't capable of defending themselves. People of color particularly. That's why we call for arms.

                        This might look a bit out of place in a country that doesn't fetishize violence like we do, but regardless, being able to defend yourself is never a bad thing.

                        [–]peace_for_everyoneⓋ 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Thank you for the explanation. This makes sense to me, if I try really hard to see it in your cultural context.

                        [–]Orphan_ScriptAngela Davis 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Not just that- but a member of this very group was recently murdered by police as well.

                        [–]morsy -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The thing is though, you can do everything you stated without looking intimidating and flaunting guns.

                        [–]donkeykongsimulatorchicanx mlm 25ポイント26ポイント  (12子コメント)

                        nazis: hold guns with confederate flags and signs supporting genocide and race war

                        communists: hold guns with antifa flags and signs saying 'make racists afraid'

                        you: wow i am equally afraid. these are like the same, smh america and your guns.

                        [–]peace_for_everyoneⓋ 23ポイント24ポイント  (9子コメント)

                        I think it's ok to ask me what I actually think, I would answer you :)

                        [–]donkeykongsimulatorchicanx mlm 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        what do you actually think then

                        [–]peace_for_everyoneⓋ 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        My personal view is that guns are scary, and I am scared of them regardless of context, and don't trust strangers' good intentions when I see them carrying guns. It's obvious to me that it's because I'm just not used to seeing guns at all, and I will try to work on that.

                        [–]yellingatrobots 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        If you have the opportunity, you should go to a gun range. When used in an appropriate, safe manner, by trained individuals, guns can be fun.

                        [–]comment-whore 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        could I ask what country you live in?

                        [–]peace_for_everyoneⓋ 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        Czech Republic

                        [–]johnnybgoode 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Interestingly that's one of the few European countries where average citizens can get a carry permit.

                        [–]benwsapp 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        But there are such good guns from there!!

                        [–]KarmaUK 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I think it's down to people with their faces covered and openly armed with massive guns is unsettling to many non Americans.

                        They could be holding signs saying 'adopt a kitten' and it'd still be something I took a detour around.

                        [–]morsy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Pretty sure the soviet logo face coverings with big guns is unsettling to many Americans as well.

                        [–]ishratha 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Really? Would you feel the same way when white nationalist militias come knocking on your door armed to the teeth?

                        It doesn't matter if it's crime or general chaos, or official oppression, an armed populace will have a majority of good, responsible gun owners and I still believe most will stand up if they see atrocities being committed in their names.

                        I think if you look at the recent events of the Arab spring, where things can turn on a dime and whole minority populations can be put to the knife in just a few months time. It can happen, despite the complacency that a strong military and a "civil" society engender in the West. Just look to the recent votes: Brexit and Trump.

                        As a person of color, as a minority, and a social liberal, this actually makes me feel safer. Show me any population where the people fear for their lives and are oppressed I would choose every time to give every man and woman a gun instead of taking them away from them.

                        [–]peace_for_everyoneⓋ -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        But marginalized people in America are oppressed and killed despite them having guns. How does it help?

                        [–]fabulous_frolicker -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        An armed society is a polite society huehuehue.

                        [–]tigerstef 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        From Australia and I'm all for a revolution, but this is fucking insane!

                        What is it with you people and guns?

                        Yeah, YOU PEOPLE!

                        What the fuck is your obsession with carrying guns, parading guns around in public? To make a political point?

                        Are you aware what this looks like to the rest of the sane world?

                        [–]Cunningham01 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Fully with you there mate. Violence isn't the answer at all. If we're socialists we should work toward the betterment of society rather than sowing distrust within the community. The OP picture is so edgy it hurts to think about.

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                          [–]Rivarr 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          So you're gonna shoot racists lol ok... Are there any fucking sane people left, fuck me. Giving each other tips on which rounds to buy if there's a revolution - infowars level delusion.

                          Ban me w/e, but is this really where you guys are at? Should I be worried my grandparents are gonna get shot by school shooters anonymous up there for a tasteless remark? Grow up, this shit isn't progress of any kind.

                          [–]ichbindeinfeindbild 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          tbh they look like a fucking joke compared to right wing gun nuts

                          [–]CircleJerkEnthusiastEast Tennessee 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          The right wing gun nuts look like fucking jokes too.

                          [–]CallRespiratory 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Yeh there is something about a bunch of grotesquely overweight, middle aged guys in ill-fitting military surplus gear that doesn't intimidate me too much.

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                            [–]rhufnpr 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Reminds me of this: http://i.imgur.com/4Lp9RMr.jpg

                            [–]QuarterOztoFreedom 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Thought this was /r/pics and got excited for the future of America

                            [–]-H-E-L-I-X- 10ポイント11ポイント  (15子コメント)

                            As nice of a statement as this is I just can't help but see extremely privledged students (I'm guessing because Austin) because who can afford shit like that.

                            At least they aren't your typical mid life crisis rich gun fetishist hicks that are normally the ones armed like that.

                            [–]AlbiDotar/venstresiden 38ポイント39ポイント  (9子コメント)

                            And so what? Are you just going to nullify their opinions and activity just because they are privileged?

                            [–]-H-E-L-I-X- 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

                            I won't, no. But I'm not living in a poor minority neighborhood fighting gentrification and racism while rich white students hanging out in hipster central with assault rifles are claiming to be looking out for me.

                            I don't know what groups these guys are associated with but I just hope they're reaching out to the communities they seem interested in protecting and not just putting on a photo op and calling it a day because now they're hardcore leftists with guns.

                            [–]noeatnosleep 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            Serious question, not rhetorical:

                            What can privileged people do to help communities like yours?

                            [–]HRHill 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Get involved in politics at a local level with a goal of combatting poverty and mental illness. This would solve so many problems in this country that half of the federal government would become useless.

                            [–]noeatnosleep 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            What makes you think these people aren't involved in local politics?

                            [–]_carl_marks_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            So like they should disarm because they have white privilege? Seems counter productive to me

                            And why do they have to be rich? Maybe they're working class.

                            [–]_carl_marks_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            And you can get rifles for pretty cheap. Especially in texas.

                            [–]marty960 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Isn't that what this sub is all about?

                            [–]_carl_marks_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Literally not at all. Read through the sub more.

                            [–]noeatnosleep 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            You can buy a nice, US made, reliable rifle for $500 or less. Sometimes much less.

                            It depends on what your priorities are.

                            [–]donkeykongsimulatorchicanx mlm 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            The Red Guards Austin are mostly oppressed nation and working class people, and the Revolutionary Student Front is students from the university. I guess you could call the latter privileged but either way, I don't think we should be basing our positions on actions by how privileged the people who do them are, but by what class politics they are promoting.

                            [–]unapologeticallymaoiIts right to rebel! 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            I dont think theyre being public about what group this is comrade.

                            [–]donkeykongsimulatorchicanx mlm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            They aren't but its Austin so its likely one of the two, or RATPAC-ATX.

                            [–]real_tea 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            That AK costs less than the device you're typing on.

                            [–]ComradeSkltal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I love Austin Red Guard. They organize some great shit.

                            [–]socsa 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Where do I sign up?

                            [–]ulikestu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            "Daddy, why are they wearing /r/meirl symbols on their faces?"

                            [–]vzfy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            they're all teenagers..

                            [–]kmicksee 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            "what did I just sign up for?"

                            [–]Redditis4virgins 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            And how do you exactly tell if a stranger is racist?

                            Also how you define racism is different from what others do, atleast in this day and age.

                            These people just look like gang members that want to threaten and terrorize people.

                            Just some opinions from a 'moderate' politically outsider.

                            [–]land-under-wave 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            The President-elect has called for a national registry of Muslims, thinks the Japanese internment camps were a good idea, has stated that Mexican immigrants tend to be criminals, and just appointed the poster boy of the Alt-Right movement as his chief of staff (just to name a few incidents). This isn't about whether or not it's racist to call someone "colored" or w/e, we're talking about people who explicitly and unashamedly hate non-white people, so please spare us this "everything is racist nowadays" garbage.

                            [–]reddexx 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            thinks the Japanese internment camps were a good idea

                            You're mostly right, although Trump has not explicitly said this. It was one of his inner circle. Close enough though.

                            [–]land-under-wave 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            D'oh! I knew I'd fall into that trap sooner or later.

                            [–]_carl_marks_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            And what do the right wing militias look like to you?

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                              [–]Haloosinayeshun 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Why do they wear the sickle and hammer logo from the Soviets?

                              [–]imeakvidyageamsThe masses lead the revolution 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              That's not the one from the Soviet Union, that's the one from Shining Path usually used by Marxist-Leninist-Maoist groups.

                              They are called Austin Red Guards so they are MLM.

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                                [–]seve_rage 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Lol this is so cringy. I'd bet those are airsoft guns with the tips painted.

                                Exactly what I would expect college-aged edgy leftist nutjobs to look like. Or /r/socialism subscribers.

                                [–]massterchief781 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Nothing says I stand for a cause like covering your face.

                                [–]indoobitably -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                lol those guns weigh more than they do, tough lookin guys!

                                [–]PuroSATX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Mmm. I want a Topo Chico now.

                                [–]reddexx 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                Anyone catch the name on this group?

                                [–]imeakvidyageamsThe masses lead the revolution 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Austin Red Guards

                                [–]reddexx 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Cool, will look them up. Thanks

                                [–]kolomaq 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Kovalev got Robbed! Ward clearly didnt do enough to win.

                                [–]StrongStripe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Why hide your face?

                                [–]PilotKnob -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                If they stand behind the courage of their convictions their masks would not be necessary. Makes them look thuggish and afraid.

                                [–]dogpotato32 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Nice hoods these kids are wearing...

                                I think I've seen them somewhere before.

                                [–]MichiFromBavaria -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                You guys are fucking retarded. Is there no sanity left in america. Step back breathe in and talk to each other and don't fuel this useless hatred. There is no revolution going to happen. This post is absolutly delusional.

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