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[–]saguenay 102ポイント103ポイント  (26子コメント)

Looks like the revision keeps getting undone and then brought back. There's a section on the talk page now.

[–]kyousaya4life[S] 68ポイント69ポイント  (25子コメント)

Gonna get semiprotected very soon, I imagine.

[–]saguenay 56ポイント57ポイント  (23子コメント)

Yup, it appears to have been locked.

Edit: it's back again. Looks like they're going to allow it.

[–]flagamuffin 80ポイント81ポイント  (0子コメント)

they should. in many ways what is wikipedia's dark sister.

[–]bananafreesince93 43ポイント44ポイント  (18子コメント)

I mean, it's completely factual. I don't see much reason for it not to be there.

[–]thebigjar 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

No music was destroyed, just current access; if the music disappears it is really on the users. As much of a blow as it is, it doesn't belong on that list.

[–]conspiracy_thug 36ポイント37ポイント  (10子コメント)

Some digital items which can no longer be found were on those servers...

[–]Roquemore92 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

Exactly, what made What special was the metadata added and curated by the users of the site.

[–]thebigjar 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm certainly not denying that. I believe the music is going to make it back, but losing all of the time and effort put into those collages makes my head hurt.

[–]Roquemore92 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah, that's basically what I was trying to say. Most, though probably not all, of the music could be found again in a replacement tracker. But the big loss is stuff like those collages, tags, artist webs, comments, Top 10 Lists, staff picks, etc.

It really is mind boggling what has happened here. I'm still trying to wrap my head around everything that was lost.

[–]Agret 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Can't they put the site back up without the torrent files, only the names? So that you still have the ability to browse all the meta data but can't download anything from it anymore?

[–]malwarebytesthrowawa 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

sweet lady greed takes another.

[–]dessalines_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why won't anyone say it? Its capitalists, and their devotion to private ownership of ones and zeros that is fucking over the open internet.

[–]myowncrapulence 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, copies of books existed when ancient libraries burned..

[–]SpaceToad 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

I mean, it's completely factual.

Some of the claims sound dubious. "Most comprehensive ever", EVER? "Over a million books and albums" - that sounds far too low a number to be most comprehensive ever, I believe other services including the major streaming services have tens of millions.

[–]bananafreesince93 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're thinking about songs, not albums. The number of albums are of a more comparable amount. Not that it matters.

We're talking about an "archive", not a "streaming database".

The author of the article is talking about a library that had a proper system of archiving. The salient part here isn't the number of albums, but which albums that were available (thousands of albums not found elsewhere), the rigour with which they were stored, the metadata that surrounded them, and the community of enthusiasts telling others about them. A stupendous amount of work went into making it into a proper library. Services like Spotify or Apple Music doesn't compare in the slightest!

You can look at it like this: The difference between discontinuing Spotify and discontinuing WHAT.CD is the difference between burning down a random Barnes & Noble and burning down Bauman Rare Books—one is a blip on the radar of an oversized industry; the other is a tragedy of human culture.

[–]SpaceToad 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

The salient part here isn't the number of albums, but which albums that were available (thousands of albums not found elsewhere), the rigour with which they were stored, the metadata that surrounded them, and the community of enthusiasts telling others about them.

But these are different claims to what was on the wiki.

Services like Spotify or Apple Music doesn't compare in the slightest!

Why not? These services also contain a huge amount of metadata, including cover art, band bios, technical info etc...

You can look at it like this: The difference between discontinuing Spotify and discontinuing WHAT.CD is the difference between burning down a random Barnes & Noble and burning down Bauman Rare Books—one is a blip on the radar of an oversized industry; the other is a tragedy of human culture.

I'm not trying to claim that wcd closing isn't negative, but that it contained many rare albums is a different to the claim in the wiki, which tried to assert it was the most comprehensive collection ever. Particularly on the literature front, that's doubly dubious, I'm sure Cambridge University Library, which contains a physical copy of almost every book ever published in the UK or Ireland, would like to have a word with them.

[–]the_grandmysteri 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cambridge University Library

they better not burn that down...

[–]bananafreesince93 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But these are different claims to what was on the wiki.

The original Wikipedia text was not optimal, that's for sure (they've done some changes now), but you're still ignoring the brunt of my argument.

Like I said in my previous comment, we're talking about an "archive", not a "streaming database". The two are not the same.

Also, just to point it out, I was referring mainly to the article which is sourced.

Why not? These services also contain a huge amount of metadata, including cover art, band bios, technical info etc...

Again, we're not talking about quantity.

I'm not trying to claim that wcd closing isn't negative, but that it contained many rare albums is a different to the claim in the wiki, which tried to assert it was the most comprehensive collection ever. Particularly on the literature front, that's doubly dubious, I'm sure Cambridge University Library, which contains a physical copy of almost every book ever published in the UK or Ireland, would like to have a word with them.

The Wikipedia text was obviously hyperbolic, all I'm saying is that it's not quite as bad as you're making it out to be.

[–]blah_au 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

A source needs to be found backing up the claim it was the largest collection of music at least (literature might be a bit dubious). It's a well known "fact" I guess, but it needs to be sourced. Once that's done, that entry is golden.

[–]ReIIik 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bib will be up there for literature.

[–]encodecase 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Talk page is interesting. There isn't any 'no' votes, only discussion on how this should be formatted in wikipedia: to separate or not to separate digital and brick and mortar.

I am so glad WCD will remain in the history books as an definitive pointer how detrimental the copyright mafia is

[–]cachecloud 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just did

[–]cwrunks 18ポイント19ポイント  (16子コメント)

By "releases" do they mean a million albums and 892k FLAC torrents?

[–]kyousaya4life[S] 22ポイント23ポイント  (14子コメント)

I think it means 1,091,055 album releases total, 892,015 of which had a perfect FLAC.

[–]creativecoding 14ポイント15ポイント  (13子コメント)

Some of which will now be impossible to find and in effect, lost.

[–]RiceGrip 14ポイント15ポイント  (11子コメント)

Somebody uploaded those, so somebody still has a copy. Even multiple people might.

[–]im-a-koala 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

And if nobody has a copy, it was lost anyways.

[–]xQer 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

HDD failure and no proper backup happen quite often

[–]sirConditioner 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would be a problem if What was there or not. There needs to be someone that has the music for there to be someone to seed it.

[–]Roquemore92 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

The problem is that even if a similar site pops up soon, not everyone will return, so inevitably some stuff will be lost.

[–]RiceGrip 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

We had this exact same conversation when OiNK got busted. Nothing was lost and we even gained tons of new material.

[–]DerpsterIV 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

There definitely was stuff that was lost. Not sure if there was much though.

[–]segagamer 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

You say that, but in a different form of media, no one has every fully recovered from the stuff lost in Underground Gamer.

[–]BleepBloopSon 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

ELI5?

[–]segagamer 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Underground Gamer was a place where groups formed to provide 100% Rips of old games and their various editions - similar to WCD. As an example, TOSEC would submit Dreamcast GDI rips (GDI is the file extension for complete Dreamcast GDRom rips - which are very hard to come by for most games - as CD ISO rips often had data compressed or even cut to get them to fit on a 700MB CD) in collection packs every few months gradually adding more and more titles to the collection. Older rarer PC titles which were floppy only were in there and well seeded, beta versions, alpha versions and even E3 or cancelled editions of games... etc.

Unlike WCD though it was exclusive to out of production media - Newer consoles were excluded from the site and with regards to PC I believe the game had to be of a certain age to be allowed.

Then suddenly it got shut down thanks to something to do with Fifa 98 on the PS1.

I still have a few of the console collection packs in my storage - though last updated in 2012, and they're definitely not fully complete, but I have absolutely no idea where these "groups" reformed and submitted to after Underground Gamer. I did manage to get in to BlackCat and that was looking good to gradually rebuilding what was lost in UGG, but then that got shut down too.

Now I'm completely lost lol. I've managed to get in to UGC and have uploaded the Dreamcast collection pack there, but no one is downloading the complete pack, and I'm worried that I will eventually lose the data due to a dodgy hard drive or something. It's bad enough that I can't figure out where to get updated packs from but it'll be worse if I lose it completely!

[–]Agret 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you pm me what UGC is? I'm a member of GG but haven't heard of UGC

[–]Leelaroo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I can get in I'd be happy to seed it, got a link?

[–]PuffCow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It means 1,091,055 unique album releases for sure

However I don't think the 892,015 FLAC release were unique, its not clear. IIRC they passed 1 million albums a while ago but 1 million unique just last Feb.

[–]aidan9500 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure about releases, but Perfect FLACs had specific requirements

[–]DoktorSchlong 52ポイント53ポイント  (11子コメント)

The guys from libble.me did this. Sadly they banned me from their irc for no reason..

[–]Ketchup901 14ポイント15ポイント  (10子コメント)

Was it actually for no reason?

Also I saw people talking about it in the #what-refuge chan.

[–]DoktorSchlong 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

I posted my homepage, which only showed a tribute to what.cd :(

[–]maybebaked 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Your Geocities homepage?

[–]DoktorSchlong 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well, my domain name includes a controversy word.

[–]UTF64 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, youre the child pornography guy.

[–]DoktorSchlong -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, the guy with the name in it. The site has never seen any childorn. Means, in the many months that i have this domain, i never hosted anything illegal.

[–]xrewired 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

and I found this: https://archive.is/OgGVo

[–]einzige_eigentum 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

"perfect FLAC" is a term more or less unique to What.CD. For inclusion in a general-purpose encyclopedia, the term should be avoided or explained.

[–]Iamnotasexrobot 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

I got 1,000 or so albums taken from What that will be going the fuck back up once there is a good alternative.
I know it's been said but if I hadn't have found What, I wouldn't have purchased a lot of music. I purchased to fill requests, and then to support smaller bands I had discovered through the site.

The irony is that moves like this by the music industry, just make people more determined to be pirates.

[–]basically_asleep 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I've bought loads of music to fill requests. It's definitely a case where almost every user on What was spending more on music than the average person simply because we all love music so much.

[–]T2112 21ポイント22ポイント  (35子コメント)

So is there a dump available for all the music from what.cd? I have 2TB spare i could put to use.

[–]kyousaya4life[S] 72ポイント73ポイント  (33子コメント)

There's kind of a "collective partial dump" in that the site had millions of users, most of whom still have the music they had when the site was running. When a new, better site comes online, people will post their music there and most of what was on what.cd will be restored.

There wasn't an actual complete "dump" though, that would take petabytes and no organization with that kind of storage space available wants to take on the liability of "pirating" almost every piece of music in existence.

[–]cateater 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Millions of users? There were probably 30000-50000 actual active users out of 144000 total.

[–]Antibody_ptp 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Iirc their monthly active users was usually around 80%. But indeed does not mean all of them were actively torrenting.

[–]amberlite 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/jYdgcfL.png

[–]throwmeout06 27ポイント28ポイント  (7子コメント)

What would you say is the best way to keep up-to-date on if a new "what.cd" emerges? I was a heavy contributor/uploader on the site and it was my first private tracker I was a part of so I'm not really sure where to keep an eye out for this stuff. Right here on this subreddit?

[–]wesim 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah this subreddit is a good way to keep updated

[–]Izlandi 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Either this sub, or the elite/guru/etc forums on other top-tier trackers. There are some talks already happening, and I know there is a TorrentMaster+-refuge channel with supposedly more discussion going on (can't give more info since I was 'only' a lowly elite on What). For now I would wait until Waffles comes back up and see what happens from there. When oink went down I think it took 4 days for What&Waffles to appear, so we should start hearing stuff sometime next week I presume.

[–]archdemon001 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

VERY soon. Expect some news by this time next week.

Right now the community is fragile, but as always, resilient. We cannot rush or make mistakes at this stage when this is publicly unfolding. Every decisions has to be built upon all other previous mistakes.

[–]soxxfan105 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

To piggyback on this, for those who were around the private tracker scene when oink went down, how long was it before What.cd emerged?

[–]Viper0us 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Within 5 days What and Waffles popped up.

[–]chikinn 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wasn't around but word is it emerged within a day.

[–]kaydpea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't remember but it was fast. My user ID on what was in the 100s so I was within the first 100-200 people. I recall it being very fast after oink.

[–]Rathadin 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't know if I'd say "petabytes"... maybe 1 petabyte, 1.3 petabytes at most (assuming just the music here). You could build a storage cluster with that much space for maybe $50,000 - $75,000, and that's using quality hardware.

If you went the eBay route and bought Dell PowerVaults, you could do it even cheaper, but eventually the power bill becomes a concern.

[–]lolmeansilaughed 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

125 8T Seagate drives will get you to a petabyte, then add in 20% more for raid 6 to get 150 drives. These will run you about $35,000 at $235 a pop. Then factor in the cases, the Norco RPC-4220 fits 24 drives in 4u, you'll need 8 of them, they are $330 each for a total of $2640. Let's estimate motherboards, port expander or sata cards, cpus, ram, power supplies, cables and whatever else at $800/chassis, so about $6500 for all the guts. Off the top of my head I don't know how to evaluate what sort of UPS you'd need, so let's just say $1000 and 4u. The chassis need to be housed, that's 32u + 4 for ups at 36u total, so you'll probably need a full-size 42u rack, let's go open frame and cheap and call it $500.

  • drives $35,000

  • cases $3000

  • guts $6500

  • rack and ups $1500

Total cost to build a petabyte rack: $46,000. That's using all cheap, consumer grade hardware.

Regarding the power bill, let's say you pull (total guess, my rack is pulling 350w and has one comparable chassis and two other chassis that probably pull more power, if anything it's lower than this) 200w per chassis, so 1.6kw for the rack. You're running it 24/7, so about 720 hours a month or about 1200kwh/month. Electricity is about 12¢/kwh, so that's about $150/month. A lot more when the drives start to fail :D.

[–]Rathadin 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

You would want long-warranty, enterprise-level drives like Western Digital Golds. You would want to use ZFS and set up nodes, cluster your drives into vdevs about 12 drives each I'd think, in RAIDZ2, giving you 2 failures per vdev. That way you get 2 vdevs per case, but you can get much cases. SuperMicro has 36 bay chassis and a 45 bay chassis. Go with the 36 bay, IMO.

Then GlusterFS on top of it all such that you can create a single massive storage volume.

You're definitely on the right track though. You can pick up 20 packs of WD101KRYZ drives (10 TB WD Gold drives) for about $11,500. Each pack is 200 TB. 5 packs is $46,500 and gives you 1 PB raw. After redundancy and conversion to Pebibytes, you'd get around 800 TiB of storage, so in fact, you might need 6 or 7 packs.

Remember, 24 to 36 drives in a single case creates vibration. When you put 4 to 8 cases full of them into a rack, it increases the problem even more. You also need to consider heat. Gonna need some big ass fans to drive air over those disks and keep them within normal operating temperatures.

I do think you're probably spot on for electricity usage of around 1 to 1.5 kW though. You'd want either multiple rack-mounted UPSes, or a big ass standalone UPS in the event of emergency. Probably looking at $2500 to $5000 for that.

I revise my original estimate, you'd need about $78,000 to $90,000 to do this properly, where "properly" is defined as having sufficient redundancy for the storage cluster and providing enough power to initiate an emergency shutdown on power loss.

[–]cache01 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

why not going soulseek? still use it, and its nice

[–]kyousaya4life[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's proprietary garbage. Anyone who thinks their program's source needs to be kept a secret is not someone whose program I want to run on my computer.

[–]Rathadin 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you basically play no games at all and run Gentoo?

[–]kyousaya4life[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gentoo contains proprietary elements. I use Parabola

[–]936535898 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not enough albums.

[–]cache01 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

emule then? xD

[–]NightDoctor 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

is emule still alive?

[–]MultiHacker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah

[–]cache01 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

i was joking. doubt it still works. just remembered kazaa media desktop and kazaa lite...and shareaza, napster... dc++ oh the #nostalgia

[–]segagamer -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

DC++ throws me back. I was in a member of a pretty technical hub and I learned more about my current IT skills there than I ever did in school.

I wonder if that server is still active...? All the members have probably left now though... I haven't signed into it for maybe 15 years lol

[–]I_want_GTA5_on_PC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you.. the part about that most will be restored made me feel much better and looking out for the next music tracker.

[–]Hitesh0630 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For starters, start sharing on soulseek

[–]KarmaUK 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm curious, are there any torrent sites that specialise in abandonware, TV shows that are not for sale, radio shows, and other stuff that's not for sale, but not generally widely available?

I still mourn the loss of UK Nova, who used to specialise in British TV and radio that wasn't available for purchase. They let slip a SKY show through, and Murdoch set his dogs of war upon them and legal troubles got them shut down.

[–]sreg0r 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

myspleen only has stuff that was never available retai.

[–]myntt 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

''DELET THIS''

t. Sacem

[–]Greatdrift 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry but can you explain what the "t. ____" meme means? I've seen it used everywhere on 4chan.

[–]encodecase 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

really hope they let it stay there - shit like this can't be censored!

What was a tremendous loss to musical culture - all that metadata, all those niche artists etc. What belongs on that list, and is part of history now

[–]Agret 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can't they put the site back up without the torrent files, only the names? So that you still have the ability to browse all the meta data but can't download anything from it anymore?

[–]Astrognome 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

They destroyed all the data to protect the users and admins.

[–]Agret 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Surely they could've just deleted the users table and kept the other data

[–]falicor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not always so cut and dry with databases. The data was big and intermingled.

They made the right choice, saving their users. It's painful but respectable.

[–]Polanski_is_innocent 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Crimes against humanity

[–]criptospora 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

Man, what's wrong with the wikipedia thing? We're just trying to give our home a decent burial.

[–]kyousaya4life[S] 34ポイント35ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wikipedia likes to avoid metaphors like this. If it were "list of destroyed information commons'", adding what.cd to the list would probably be fine.

[–]Laundry_Hamper 52ポイント53ポイント  (3子コメント)

If Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, what.cd was a library

[–]ayane_m 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

If Wikipedia were destroyed, would it be on the *such a* list?

[–]nidnks [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

who came first, chicken or egg. Then I will answer your question.

[–]ayane_m [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The egg came first, because one of the required taxonomical conditions for the organism known as "chicken" is to hatch from an egg:

Animals have not evolved to lay eggs until after multicellular, proto-reptilian organisms came into existence. The first proto-reptilian organism to have mutated to lay zygotic eggs itself has not come from an egg, so it is not the chicken. Rather, its egg-borne offspring is the first chicken.

Source: Studied evolutionary biology

[–]wirelessflyingcord 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man, maybe complete the burial without vandalizing articles?

[–]wirelessflyingcord 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wonder if the original edit was a joke (= vandalism) or not. Looks like the edit is surprisingly staying for now. Slippery slope and soon every dead torrent site is on that list.

[–]lolmeansilaughed 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I liked this hilarious alliteration in the discussion:

"What.cd contained a comparable comprehensiveness of content and quality of curation [to the other destroyed libraries]."

He sounds like the V for Vendetta guy.

[–]saguenay 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seeing What.CD in that article and knowing I was fortunate enough to be part of something so special is a strange feeling.

<3 WCD

[–]hyperduc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I noticed the tracker was down recently. I did not know the site was done. :(

[–]conspiracy_thug 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depressing

[–]Befuddle1 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Whatcd was never a library. Libraries do not get shut down and libraries host the actual pysical books or digital ebooks, audiobooks. What was a tracker that did not host any files. The members hosted the actual files while what was the place and gave the ability to link all those people together to share their music archives with each other. If you're going to list Whatcd then you have to list Oink in detail. Without Oink, what would've never existed. What has its own wiki page. Make sure that page and information is properly handled and not changed to make us look like villians who were only in it to steal as much music as possible.

That what connected people to artists and music that they never knew existed without whatcd. How that made thousands of people and their friends fans of certain artists and these people bought the albums, merch, went to the concerts of artists they were introduced to by being a member of the legendary site named Whatcd. I know that you all will do as you feel. Let's make the public aware of the positive things whatcd did for the music indusry.

Fck the industry. What whatcd did for individual artists. The labels get most of the money made off album sales for most artists. Going to concerts and merchandise is how the artist makes the majority of their money. Whatcd never hurt the artists or the labels at that. Artists in interviews, have stated that they pirate music themselves and do not care if people download their music for free. Its the labels that push the ones who are against piracy.minus twats like Metallica who cry about piracy because they're ignorant and greedy, selfish as$holes. Metallica is in need of every penny seeing thwt they are so broke. That is one of the reason's i loved Oink and What. They understood that the artist should be supported but gave the finger to the useless leeches like the RIAA and their ilk.

[–]I_want_GTA5_on_PC 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly.. this edit makes no sense and will be removed hopefully. It was only a glorified Google, the actual files are still on hard disks of users right now (well, 99% of it).

[–]forger7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If 140000 people come to a real-world library and each of them steals about 8 books, thus emptying the library. Is ist still a library? Or should it belong to the list?

[–]ayane_m 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What.CD contained exclusive content and metadata, among other user-created content, which was not in torrent form. In other words, the collective effort of thousands of users was destroyed with the destruction of the data in the servers.

But, to play Devil's Advocate, let's say that a library is built such that it contains no exclusive content (i.e. it only contains books, and all of its books are available in other libraries). If we destroy such a library, no data is "lost" per se, but it is still destruction, because access to the content has been hampered.

In reality, no such library exists, as all libraries contain exclusive books, lounges, etc. Furthermore, the people who frequent a library are a community, and when a library is destroyed, so is its community, much like What.CD's.

[–]UltravioletClearance -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Needs to be edited - What.cd was not available in certain countries.

[–]illuminateddisplays 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

No country was banned from the site, only from the interview process.

[–]ayane_m 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. But, to play Devil's Advocate, what about those select handful of countries which lacked access to the Internet, thus access to WCD, regardless of interview/invite access? (e.g. DPRK, Iran, etc.)

[–]ayane_m 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not relevant. Even if it were, most libraries cannot be accessed by certain people, because of national borders, membership requirements, etc.

[–]cachecloud -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Has now been removed and page protected

[–]Traveno -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope someone fixed the typo at the end.