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[–]middlekellyIt's 2016 and women gamers like myself apparently don't exist. 198ポイント199ポイント  (10子コメント)

Please, like this is the worst thing to happen to a politician in a theater.

[–]TerribleGermivore 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

And ironically, the worst thing happened to a Republican.

The very first one that became president.

[–]the_nybblerFriendly and nice to everyone 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, well, "Hamilton" is no "Our American Cousin"

[–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ha!

[–]CairntrarnSeller of stale bait 42ポイント43ポイント  (5子コメント)

If you think that's bad, what about when some musicians confronted Nixon about the Vietnam War before a performance AT THE WHITE HOUSE?

https://youtu.be/YsBZhilfQc8

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

How did Tricky Dicky respond?

[–]CairntrarnSeller of stale bait 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

In the most Nixon-y way possible

https://youtu.be/AS1_JGX3jVY

[–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

He recorded it?

[–]Argent108 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

And then erased the tape.

[–]Fenrir007Posting from the Pope's laptop 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like with a cloth or something?

[–]Chip_Card_Activationthe Captain Planet of assholes 57ポイント58ポイント  (56子コメント)

Am I the only one even surprised that pence would even go see hamilton? It just seems so beyond his nature, among other things...

[–]GalanDun 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm surprised anyone would, itstoo fucking expensive and looks like shit.

[–]plasix 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

Do you know Mike Pence personally? How do you know what his nature is?

[–]Niekisch 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

He's seen Pence on TV and read about him in articles. That's an accurate enough way to gain a full, thorough understanding of an individual's personal tastes, wants and interests, isn't it?

[–]sdaciuk 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I heard Pence is worse than Trump and that Trump is like Hitler so... double Hitler?

[–]vintermann 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see many on twitter speculating that it was bait. He apparently did something similar with his choice of restaurant lately.

Or maybe they're just imagining this, and Trump/Pence aren't actually trying to distract anyone. It's entirely possible that everyone's distracting themselves.

[–]DoctorSteve 28ポイント29ポイント  (47子コメント)

There's people who believe he is closested. This would add fuel to that.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 134ポイント135ポイント  (176子コメント)

This is what happened. VP-elect Mike Pence attended a showing of 'Hamilton', after which a statement from the cast was read out, asking him to uphold American values and work on behalf of all Americans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMp6WHWJHf4

Trump also tweeted that

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/799972624713420804

Our wonderful future V.P. Mike Pence was harassed last night at the theater by the cast of Hamilton, cameras blazing.This should not happen!

To me, it seemed like a perfectly polite, reasoned statement, expressing the cast's concerns to Pence, and the guy even told the audience not to boo him. But Mr. Trump appears to consider this as harassment.

What do you think, KiA? Is this an example of president-elect Trump calling for a 'safe space'? Or do you think that this is justified?

[–]Damascene_2014Misogynist Prime 42ポイント43ポイント  (2子コメント)

Whoops, hold the phone and check this out:

At another point in the show, King George III sings, “When your people say they hate you, don’t come crawling back to me,” and blew a raspberry at Pence, causing more applause.

http://archive.is/7RYaC

Actors being what they are that one would probably have irresistible entertainment value so I don't totally hold that against them but I wonder if that's what Trump was actually talking about.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that's a bit rude.

First time I've heard of that.

[–]l0c0dantes 66ポイント67ポイント  (0子コメント)

Personally, I think Trumps reaction to it is wrong.

But I can also see why Pence would consider it rude. It came off as "When did you stop beating your wife" to me.

[–]skadav 35ポイント36ポイント  (4子コメント)

asking him to uphold American values

Like the right to bear arms?

[–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

We've switched to lion arms now. The mane reminds people of Trump

[–]Agkistro13 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, the new ones, like the right to diversity and the right to safe spaces.

[–]bikki420 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, the right to mass-murder Asian children for resources such as oil and political clout.

[–]Damascene_2014Misogynist Prime 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

To me, it seemed like a perfectly polite, reasoned statement, expressing the cast's concerns to Pence, and the guy even told the audience not to boo him. But Mr. Trump appears to consider this as harassment.

What do you think, KiA? Is this an example of president-elect Trump calling for a 'safe space'? Or do you think that this is justified?

I'm as much as or more anti-SJW and pro-alt right than anyone here but I didn't see anything wrong with the cast's speech after watching it. It was polite, eloquently stated, and the lead took pains to implore the audience not to boo and have respect for Pence. I'm really disappointed in Trump's reaction on Twitter and it does indeed feel like he's calling for a safe space now.

Quite often we see minorities playing the race card without justification but here I don't blame them for feeling as they say 'anxious' and even scared the way the media is spinning everything. Therefore the people are justified to say this in this instance and a good leader should be reassuring instead of combative in this particular situation.

[–]TheGreatRoh 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump got the left to denounce safe spaces.

[–]Agkistro13 46ポイント47ポイント  (11子コメント)

To me, it seemed like a perfectly polite, reasoned statement, expressing the cast's concerns to Pence,

Oh, so I guess this shit must happen all the time, right? A politician goes to the theater, and the cast prepares a statement calling out and attacking his politics in front of everybody? Are we really going to be triggered by the term 'safe space' such that we ignore the point of what was said? What about the Trump supporters in the audience? You think they'll be back? You think they're happy with their ticket purchase?

This is just like the Saturday Night Live thing, where an entertainment outlet that is ostensibly for everybody reveals "Sorry! We only give a shit about half the country!" Well, fuck 'em. I'm sure Pence can take it, I'm sure he's had worse. It's more of a slight to the people who went to the theater to get away from this horseshit than anything.

[–]captchaboink 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also let's not forget we're talking about a play that portrays a white guy as a black man and they have a policy of not hiring white people, so why is this having any support here exactly?

[–]Agkistro13 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Knee jerk reaction to the term 'safe space', is all I can think of.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

But that wasn't Trump's complaint, was it?

Yeah, people can choose to watch or not watch whatever they want. I'm sure that the cast had that in mind.

[–]Agkistro13 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Of course they had it in mind, that's why their ambush political lecture came after the show when nobody could get refund.

[–]synfel 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

stop being thin skinned man, he is going to work on a gov job he should be able to deal with that

[–]Agkistro13 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why I'm talking about the people in the audience and not him. I made that pretty explicit.

[–]Cinnadillo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

it doesn't mean the theater wasn't being rude or objectionable. He can take it, but he should receive an apology.

[–]GG_Number_9 99ポイント100ポイント  (91子コメント)

Pence was a guest at the theater, and should be treated as such no matter what his politics are. The cast were out of line.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 103ポイント104ポイント  (27子コメント)

If they'd been screaming abuse at him or interrupted the show to do it, I'd agree with you. But I think that part of being a politician is that people may wish to comment about your policies when the opportunity presents itself.

[–]Castigale 82ポイント83ポイント  (18子コメント)

It was hardly a critique on his policies even. Just a mild plea to be fairly served as VP elect to the entire nation. It wasn't even "serve LGBT interests" just a "We were among those concerned, but I hope you do well by us."

It was mildly out of line, at best. Hardly anything to take serious issue with.

[–]diegene 48ポイント49ポイント  (17子コメント)

And I hope you won't rape any children. I am sitting here at home with mine, and I do hope you won't rape children. We the people of reddit, think it's good if you don't rape. Please don't rape.

[–]maafuka 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well has he given you the impression that he intends to rape children? If he has then you're being very polite about the whole situation.

[–]Cinnadillo 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

during a professional performance of a play?

[–]MazInger-Z 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

He paid to see a show, not be proselytize to.

[–]Drop_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

He wasn't being proselytized to, he was being lobbied.

[–]target_locked 40ポイント41ポイント  (60子コメント)

The cast were out of line.

Let's assume that they were. Does that mean that we need the theater to be a safe space to prevent this from ever happening again?

[–]GG_Number_9 50ポイント51ポイント  (39子コメント)

At the start of GamerGate a bunch of people from the industry signed a letter against harassment, and people got pissed because they weren't harassing anyone, but they were assumed to be doing so.

https://medium.com/@andreaszecher/open-letter-to-the-gaming-community-df4511032e8a#.o2k6d5fzy

The cast is telling Pence they don't believe he will uphold American values, even if they will not say so out loud. No wonder he got mad.

[–]target_locked 21ポイント22ポイント  (36子コメント)

So because they do the same thing we should do it too? I don't mind that he got mad, I don't mind that he even tweeted about it. I'm squarely focused on the term safe space in this instance.

[–]GG_Number_9 32ポイント33ポイント  (15子コメント)

I don't know how Pence got a ticket to the theater. But if he paid for it out of his own pocket, then he is absolutely entitled to be treated with respect.

Don't forget that the roots of GG were some journos thinking that Gamers were acting entitled for complaining about games that some had paid the equivalent of a days wages for. And that was before the Steam refund policy.

[–]vonmonologueSnuff-fic rewritter, Fencing expert 16ポイント17ポイント  (7子コメント)

entitled to be treated with respect.

No he isn't. He can go ask for a refund, he can refuse to ever go to that theater again, but nowhere is there any law that says customers of a business have to be treated with respect. Treating a customer with respect is because you want their repeat business.

I've been doing retail management for over a decade, and there are always occasions where you drop being respectful and bluntly tell people that their business isn't welcome. You're not entitled to respect, I'm not entitled to your customership. That's the exchange: I show you respect and you provide a positive cashflow to my business. The second one of us decides to break our part, the other is no longer obligated to uphold their side of the deal.

[–]LeRawxWiz 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly.

Holy shit there are so many biased pro Trump hypocrites just making up incomplete illogical arguments. This thread is why people think GG is about sexism. Hypocrites who are against free speech if that speech is against their politics.

[–]TheSpecialJuan96 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been lurking/occasionally posting on this sub for ages now and it's really depressing to me how gladly people on here are willing to sell out the supposed values of this sub to protect politicians they like. There are loads of subscribers and even moderators from the Trump sub here now and anytime anyone criticizes their insanely paranoid, heavy-handed censorship they get a flood or replies explaining why in this case censorship is good and necessary.... on a sub that's supposed to be dedicated to fighting censorship and political bias.

Just look at this post even. 5 hours in and it currently has 72% upvotes with 324 comments to only 92 upvotes seemingly half of which are defending Trump and Pence receiving a "safe space" when the freedom to have discussions is supposed to be a cornerstone of this sub. What do you want to bet that if Tim Kaine was booed at a social event and Hillary said he deserved a "safe space" there would be thousands of upvotes and hundreds of comments mocking/castigating her?

[–]Cinnadillo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

they have every right to say it... we have every right to say it goes against social decorum... we have the right to be unhappy about speech.

[–]SuddenlyCentaurs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And paying for college admission guarantees a safe space as well?

[–]AtratusGas the Trolls, D&D Race war now! 15ポイント16ポイント  (16子コメント)

Peace of mind =/= safe space

Do you go to the store and expect to be bombarded by hillary shills? No, you go to the store to get food/whatever supplies you were going to get.

Why should you expect to be bombarded by shit in a place where it has no place?

Do people not understand how to hold simple decorum anymore? Professionalism on the left is clearly dead if anyone is happy or okay with this happening.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (12子コメント)

Do the same standards apply to the VP-elect, or any other politician, as apply to us randos, in your view?

[–]AtratusGas the Trolls, D&D Race war now! 21ポイント22ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yes, because a human is a human is a human.

Those are titles. They do nothing when it comes to basic human interactions.

I'd treat Pence the same way I'd treat a bum on the street who is coming to see a show who has even more radical views than Pence. If they are going somewhere where they are expecting a sort of service/values, then that is what the employees should give.

Imagine a server at a restaurant doing this to a person they were serving. This is the way I see it. If your job is to put on that show, then put on the show and nothing more. Do your hating on Pence after in the dressing room after the shows done and Pence got what he was there to see (as with the rest of the audience)

[–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, because a human is a human is a human.

Those are titles. They do nothing when it comes to basic human interactions.

Agreed. Every anti that I've pointed out they treat us exactly how they say not to treat Islam makes excuses for it, that the religion is older and has more people, as if there's titles that they can apply to a group that makes it no longer OK to do things you do to other groups, even though you claim to be protesting the treatment itself. And I don't buy it. I see two groups of human beings, one that has committed more terrorist attacks than all other religions combined and the other wants ethics in gaming journalism. Both are treated how the other actually deserves to be.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fair enough. I respect your belief.

It's not really something I can argue against in any objective way, but my opinion is that with power comes the expectation public accountability.

[–]AtratusGas the Trolls, D&D Race war now! 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

We may disagree, but I have always love seeing your posts and respect what you say brotha. Keep on keeping on.

[–]TheColourOfHeartache 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure. But there's proper channels for public accountability. Petitions, letters, etc. Even public servants deserve their privacy when they're off the clock.

[–]Funadius_IV 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't claim to know what Trump meant by "safe and special place", but I kind of doubt he meant "safe" in the way SJWs use it; however, given the potential for confusion, it was a poor word choice.

I wouldn't use the adjective "safe" but it is a space and time set apart and dedicated to a certain type of experience. On both sides, performer and audience, there are certain mutually understood expectations of how each is to behave in order to make this possible.

The outside world is set aside for a time, so that the performers can create a world on stage for the audience to enter into. Political and religious issues can certainly be addressed within the world of the story, as well as ideas that challenge or could offend certain people, so it doesn't have to be "safe" in the SJW sense (that you should be protected from potential "trauma" caused by exposure to wrongthink).

I do think it is reasonable to expect that the nature of the experience not be willfully compromised or hijacked by either the performers or people in the audience. Performers using the stage as a bully pulpit to target audience members for political reasons certainly qualifies as that.

I don't think anything should be "done" to stop it—like some kind of SJW official "code of conduct"—I think the unwritten rules of decorum and mutual understanding have served well enough so far. If this kind of thing becomes commonplace, I think the audiences will reject the betrayal of the age-old mutual understanding and abandonment of the essence of the experience the theater provides, and fewer people will come to such performances. Few people enjoy being preached to or targeted when they came for something else.

Even as a once off it is understandable that it would leave a sour taste in people's mouths.

[–]ulmon 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, you should stop focussing on it.

The only purpose of the phrase was to:

  1. Shit fling their terms back at them.

  2. Get people thinking about the lincoln assassination.

[–]BoonesFarmGrape 32ポイント33ポイント  (15子コメント)

do you go to movie or restaurant to hear a fucking civics lecture from 20-something dancers?

there's a time and place for everything and that is definitely not it, it's got nothing to do with the SJW definition of "safe space"

[–]CairntrarnSeller of stale bait 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

do you go to movie or restaurant to hear a fucking civics lecture from 20-something dancers

Isn't that pretty much what Hamilton is already? I think Lin Manuel Miranda is in his 30s though.

[–]BoonesFarmGrape 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

heh ya but in that case you know what you're paying for

[–]target_locked 8ポイント9ポイント  (11子コメント)

So you're arguing that speech should be limited depending on the setting and venue? Like I said, I don't agree with what they said and it was obviously virtue signaling. But I have to agree that they had every right to announce their beliefs publicly.

[–]BoonesFarmGrape 27ポイント28ポイント  (9子コメント)

yes? are you arguing that I should be "free" to walk over to your table in the middle of dinner and deliver a sermon about Jesus?

there's a time and place for everything and that is definitely not it, it's got nothing to do with the SJW definition of "safe space"

[–]Agkistro13 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course they have the right, and everybody else has the right to criticize them.

[–]notshitaltsaysProud Retard 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lets ask abraham-fucking-lincoln about the importance of safe spaces at theaters

[–]target_locked 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

Words are different than bullets. If the cast of Hamilton pulled out fucking guns you might have some semblance of a point...

[–]CallMeBigPapaya 31ポイント32ポイント  (11子コメント)

This is such a non-issue. The Hamilton casts statement was great. It did not vilify anyone. It just expressed worry in probably the most polite way I've seen leftists do it.

[–]Cinnadillo 12ポイント13ポイント  (10子コメント)

why did they feel it was appropriate to express this worry? it was neither relevant nor germane to the audience's poor behavior.

[–]shitlordsauron 18ポイント19ポイント  (9子コメント)

Because "free speech" (something I'm sure you're very passionate about) means you should be able to make a calm, measured statement at the end of a performance to an elected representative of the government and not have it be called "harassment"

Seriously the hypocrisy of some of you people is amazing. You would be freaking out if Anita Sarkeesian made a similar tweet/complaint to what Trump is whining about. It's not about principle or logic with you - it's about your political feelings being hurt.

[–]captchaboink 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

Play that has a policy of not hiring white people and plays a white man as a black dude, are you lost?

What if i make a Obama play where Obama is a white christian guy and enforce no poc hirings, is that cool? Alright

[–]IHateKn0thing 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

I mean, they're free to do that. And I would support a play that had Obama as a white dude. And when the SJW flipped out over it and tried to get it shut down, I'd defend the play.

That's how it works. We can criticize an idea as stupid, but KiA is supposed to be about freedom of speech and journalistic integrity.

[–]shitlordsauron 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

I fail to see what the casting of Hamilton has to do with Trump whining about a Safe Space. But okay.

[–]captchaboink 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alright let's say that you were at college and were a known gamergater, one day the gender studies people make a play and invite you.

At the end of the play they say we'd like to say a few things to shitlordsauron "please stop hating women, we know you're a gamergater and you should stop threatening LW with rape threats" thanks.

Of course the audience people would boo you and shit, but it's all in good fun right?

Do you think this was just some improptu thing or that they knew ahead that he was attending and had something prepared to get some more Trump/Pence hate on the rails?

I mean if they can get people on this subreddit to not see past that bullshit then it worked i guess, truly concerned people would talk to him in the backstage instead of singling him out in front of a crowd, it was nothing short of virtue signaling, if you still can't see why it was bullshit then ok, that's ofc ignoring their high horse of talking about shit while ignoring the anti white people policy in their play.

It's like you can't decide between which is worse, on one hand we have trump who used the word safe space, on the other you got a anti white organization who decided to virtue signal as hard as possible... if you think what trump said is worse then well that's like your opinion and that's fine, but you shouldn't be blinded by the safe space word.

[–]ZakenPirate 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

muh safe spaces

muh registries

[–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am fine with their non-violent method of protest. Although as I'm really shy I wouldn't appreciate it used on me, though I'm not a politician

I especially like that I've caught my favorite Star Trek crewmember condemning the audience's behavior

[–]MattTheBlack 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you really think Trump doesn't understand the connotations of safe space. He's been being bombarded with that kind of rhetoric since he started running. It's a call out on their hypocrisy. That aside this is absolutely harassment.

[–]Cinnadillo 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Trump is being obnoxious. Pence is owed an apology...

How can he not. He was "not involved" in the sense that he didn't say anything... the whole episode was because he was present. He was a member of the audience who did not seek to be identified. He did not ask for the crew of Hamilton to stop. He did not incite the booing. He did not deserve to a special statement made in his direction. The last paragraph of their statement was incredibly out of line. They took the opportunity to upstage a quiet guest.

[–]EMP_LetsPlayDivision 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

He could have stayed silent and the story would have been about whether or not the cast overstepped themselves with the "statement." He could have made a point about how they singled Pence out for his views while demanding that he respect theirs...Instead he literally called for a safe space. Not ok.

"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."

[–]HumblePig 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sums up my stance perfectly. The cast was out of line and unprofessional, but not to any extent that a public figure and grown man can't anticipate it as an unfortunate part of the job.

[–]synfel 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

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[–]CEO_of_GamerGate 42ポイント43ポイント  (5子コメント)

Eh. I don't see a problem with it. If you aren't willing to face the judgement of the American people when you go out for a bit of entertainment, then don't become the VP of the most powerful nation in the free world. Fucking baby.

[–]Predicted 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

I dont see a problem with it either, it seems that some people here are only interested in railing against safe spaces when its their ideological opponents who advocate for them.

[–]Sifr_Brude 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are calling Mike Pence a fucking baby when Pence hasn't tweeted out anything about this. This is Trump sticking up for his VP. I don't agree with him, but I can see where he's coming from.

[–]mmuldrow16 77ポイント78ポイント  (26子コメント)

I saw this sub when it was first created. It was actually about something that I thought with ethically important. It soon devolved into a place where people came to make fun of or ridicule those on the left that they found ridiculous, which is there right. But the hypocrisy that is displayed here is astonishing. Had Laci Green, Anita Sarkessian, or Arthur Chu tweeted something even remotely similar to this, this sub would be up in arms. Shit at the very least this sub could be consistent.

[–]AFCSentinelDidn't survive cyberviolence. RIP In Peace 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do keep in mind that this post is still upvoted and has a positive upvote rate. While there is a significant fringe down-voting this, I don't think it's fair to characterise the whole sub like this. Though I obviously agree that this is literally the same thing some of our more traditional opponents have said in the past and it justifies exactly the same reaction.

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure why this post is even relevant to KiA.

[–]FiftiethFlight 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

You think so? What I'm seeing in this thread is pretty heartening, actually - arguments and counterarguments are being upvoted, actual civil debate is going on. Check the comment threads on OP's comment further up the page. Nobody's been banned or had their comments deleted, as far as I can tell.

Above all else, healthy debate is the most desirable thing you could have in a sub like this, that tends to be prone to one-sidedness. You might even wish to have seen more of it in the past.

[–]Darudeboy 42ポイント43ポイント  (8子コメント)

This time a billion! The mental gymnastics going on in here right now to excuse Donald Trump for LITERALLY asking for a safe space is freaking hilarious. We've rightly criticized SJWs for doing this exact behaviour but now people are trying to get some special pass for this ass hole Trumo

[–]lorentz-try 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Enthusiastically embracing a concept can, in some cases, defeat it more quickly than opposing it.

The more people we label racist and sexist, the less meaningful those labels become. The more groups advocating their own safe spaces, the less tenable that concept becomes and the sooner it ends.

This is good.

[–]ProjectD13X 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Is a person who goes to a theater and pays for a ticket not entitled to observe the performance in peace? Are you so bereft of nuance that you can't see the difference between censoring debate and expecting professional actors to be professional and do their jobs? I don't really know shit about plays, but it doesn't seem like this play is the kind where the audience is expected to be involved in the production.

[–]shitlordsauron 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

The statement was made after the performance was over. It did not in any way interrupt the performance.

[–]wash_yo_azz 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

So pretty much "I get to decide when and where we debate, and what topics are on the table." Hmmm, I wonder what you would call that?

[–]KingNigelXLII 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh look, someone here with critical thinking skills. Good on ya.

[–]Drop_ 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

This sub has been filled with people who seem to want to figuratively fellate Trump, for whatever reason. It's irritating.

[–]lolfail9001 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

I blame Milo, tbh.

[–]Drop_ 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah Milo seemed to just use GG to build his own fanbase and then completely abandoned it (and gaming advocacy etc.) once his fanbase was big enough.

[–]shitlordsauron 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I mean, this sub has been worryingly silent about Bannon's power in the Trump administration. A man who literally ran a media outlet and still has a ton of influence on it (Breitbart) now has a say in the administration of a President-elect.

For all the talk about Ethics in Journalism, why isn't there more outrage about this? Is it because it's Breitbart and not CNN or MSNBC?

The hypocrisy is depressing.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do you expect us to say at present? Nothing has happened yet.

He's not working at Breitbart any more and apparently (according to a post on here a couple of days ago), there are already rules in place that say he cannot have any influence over the site. There is nothing 'wrong', as such about someone who ran a media outlet taking political office.

I'm sure that there'll be more than us keeping an eye on him for any attempt to use BB as a government mouthpiece when the time comes.

[–]Pressrewind10 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes Brietbart isn't fucking Mainstream media. It's a tiny website visited by edgy teens. So people shouldn't really be scared.

When you have the Democrats colluding with CNN, NBC and all the other networks which have viewers from all ages , we should absolutely be scared.

[–]Khar-Selim 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

This sub has been absolutely riddled with Trump shilling all election when neither major candidate really was on our side for the issues we care about. Hopefully this is the beginning of that being excised. I've always believed GG never belonged outside of game journalism, not because there aren't issues in political journalism, but because we are in NO WAY equipped with the knowledge needed to not become a pawn in someone else's game.

[–]Sta-au 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh I believe we are. However due to the openness we are also very capable of being coopted by whoever has enough numbers and is loud enough.

[–]StormtrooprDave 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'd thought Trump would stop taking things personally on Twitter when he won the election but I guess not.

[–]Point_and_Click_Guy 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is Trump really calling for a theater to be a safe space?

[–]AFCSentinelDidn't survive cyberviolence. RIP In Peace 31ポイント32ポイント  (6子コメント)

Daily reminder that being thin-skinned, against free speech and for "safe spaces" is not a left or a right thing. It's an authoritarian thing and those exist irrespective of political ideologies.

In that sense: boohoo poor Pence and Donnie getting their feelings hurt. I'm sow sowwy.

[–]DoctorSteve 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

We need an hourly reminder as I am tired of being told - by late comers to KIA - that KIA is a right wing movement. It most certainly is not. It is as you said, a movement against control. In that sense the word "liberal" best applies to KIA. But in the Republican or Democrat political climate, it exists outside that spectrum.

But I don't think KIA is what it set out to be.

[–]DestroyedArkana [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I always thought of KiA as more liberal in a cultural sense as well. It's rejecting the establishment media's incompetence and corruption.

[–]DoctorSteve 55ポイント56ポイント  (51子コメント)

I'm surprised that this is on here, but I'm not surprised people are defending it. It's exactly what KIA has been attacking people over, but suddenly it's okay. What a bunch of frauds this subreddit has become.

Props to the people staying true to the message and ideals here, but it's a shame this sub has been overrun by Donald Trump supporters. (There's nothing wrong with supporting Trump, but when he calls for safe spaces and you support it you're as bad as a SJW).

[–]target_locked 15ポイント16ポイント  (26子コメント)

I'm a pretty big Trump supporter. Let's ease up with those broad strokes.

[–]helpmesleep666 43ポイント44ポイント  (6子コメント)

I mean.. I read the title and expected to come in here and see him torn the fuck a part.

The fact that like half the people are defending him is pretty strange.

I'm not going to go and call everyone here frauds.. But it speaks pretty clearly to biases of this sub sometimes.

If ethics and censorship are even remotely important to anyone in this sub... Trump should be on everyone's radar.

[–]DoctorSteve 17ポイント18ポイント  (18子コメント)

Where did I attack Trump supporters? Is it where I said "There's nothing wrong with supporting Trump"?

[–]target_locked 13ポイント14ポイント  (17子コメント)

but it's a shame this sub has been overrun by Donald Trump supporters.

[–]DoctorSteve 29ポイント30ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yes, because they're defending Trump where KIA would be attacking him. Is there a different way I could word my disgust at this sub being subverted? I'm sorry if it offends you the way I worded it but you should probably grow some thicker skin and understand the point I was making instead of crying foul and wanting special treatment.

[–]KingNigelXLII 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

That wasn't an attack. Trump supporters are so blind in their admiration, that they'll defend him even when he literally calls for a safe space.

[–]target_locked 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

Again, you're painting with broad strokes. I'm a Trump supporter and I'm not defending this tweet. You would be surprised how many of us actually break the stereotypes and boxes we've been forced to fit into.

[–]Khar-Selim 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I'm gonna be honest, but as a liberal all I have to say is 'join the club'. If I had a dime for every time someone talked about how horrible and regressive liberals or leftists are I'd quit my job.

[–]DoctorSteve 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

No one is suggesting all Trump supporters are defending him You're the one drawing that connection and then getting offended. And I do find it humorous you're being offended and essentially asking for an apology. On KIA.

[–]target_locked 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Trump supporters are so blind in their admiration, that they'll defend him even when he literally calls for a safe space.

I didn't see the word "some" in there.

And I do find it humorous you're being offended and essentially asking for an apology. On KIA.

I haven't asked for an apology nor am I offended. I just don't like being bashed for my beliefs and typically try to defend myself and my positions.

[–]GG_Number_9 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

The theater is not the same as a college.

[–]joey_dh 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

rofl. AMAZING observation there champ.

[–]GG_Number_9 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparently some people here do not understand that. College is where you go to learn new ideas, a theater is where you go to be entertained.

Anyone demanding a safe space at college should be expelled since they possess no capacity to learn, but anyone buying a ticket to a theater is entitled to the cast attempting to make it a pleasant experience.

[–]AlexHD 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know how anyone watching Hamilton would only be expecting escapism and light-hearted entertainment. The show is literally about politics and is quite confrontational at times. Calling for the theatre to be a "safe and special place" completely goes against why a show like Hamilton and many other shows exist - to challenge the status quo and hold a mirror up to society.

[–]Commenter_1 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here's the clever twist, they'll criticize him for using the term "SAFE SPACE" but by doing so they'll be criticizing the CONCEPT of "safe space" which they've been uncritically parroting for years.

You can't attack a man for using the same idea you do without also attacking the idea itself.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or the non-Republican/anti-Trump writers who also think that safe spaces on campus are a bad idea will just say 'Trump is a hypocrite and a pussy' (maybe not in those exact words).

[–]Agkistro13 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

One of the biggest problems in American society right now is the absolute stranglehold the radical left has on the media and academia. Trump seemed prepared to take that head on, it's one of the main reasons I voted for him and support him.

It is also a big reason why GamerGate is a thing, and why 75% of our traffic here is driven by SJW bullshit propaganda.

And here Trump is, calling this shit out just like I hoped he would, using the best method possible (more speech, not regulations); "Look at this. This isn't ok." This is a good thing. SJWs need to have the ball spiked in their faces every time they assume an entertainment soapbox is their opportunity to badger people, and that's what happened here- except now we got the President Elect on our side instead of some youtuber.

Let's not miss the forest for the trees and jump on his shit because we're triggered by the term 'safe space'. Anybody else more familiar with the 'meme wars' or whatever would have called this out with slightly different terminology and we would have cheered.

[–]Will_billy 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

"I can't believe trump is literally creating safe spaces!!!"

No, that ridiculous and a strawman statement. Is it really so ridiculous for him to say that it's wrong for the staff at a theatre to single out a specific guest because of their political views, regardless of how polite they were?

[–]mokti 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

A political figure walked into a political play and was tactfully called out in public, implored to, even. Seems like a fair court to me.

[–]Florist_Gump 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

someone should take the Trump twitter account away from the P-E.

That twitter posting comes across as incredibly thin-skinned and whiny. But that first line, "the theatre should always be a safe and special place"... you're getting defensive over words coming out of broadway actors. "oh no, someone who dresses up and plays pretend on stage said something mean to my friend!", how pathetically weak is that?

Looking down the comments I'm a bit surprised to see folks defending Trump's tantrum here. "No bad tactics, only bad targets" eh? You would be roasting a leftist for speaking of the "safe spaces" of playacting theatres, sides would be in orbit.

[–]TerribleGermivore 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

One side is talking about how Trump is acting like a whiny thin-skinned SJW and the cast and audience were practicing their freedom of speech by expressing their concerns and booing Pence, and the other side is talking about how Pence paid (and possibly was invited) to watch a show without being lectured on politics.

.

Business as usual.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

I guess that this shows that KiA isn't an echo chamber... :)

[–]TerribleGermivore 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Don't worry, it can be spun by other subs as "KiA posters are eating their own, let's laugh at them!"

I wouldn't be surprised if there's already a thread on SRD.

[–]Hyena_and_Crow 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regardless of what I think of Pence, it's pretty shitty to do this to him completely unprepared in his private life without giving him any chance to respond or defend himself against the implications made.

I don't know why it's so appalling for Kanye to just talk about politics at a show, but it's perfectly fine for another performer to basically call out someone in the audience and get them booed just for being there.

Telling the audience not to boo is disingenuous - if you didn't want him to be booed, don't tell everyone in the audience that he's there. Write to or call your damn representative like everyone else in the world has to. You can't take a man's money for tickets to your show then use his paid-for attendance as a chance to deliver a one-sided political speech to him.

Again, even if I don't like him, he deserves a private life and to be able to enjoy a show without getting called out and preached to.

[–]Ghost5410 27ポイント28ポイント  (67子コメント)

Yeah I saw what the cast said. I don't blame him. They were virtue signaling their political bullshit by mentioning Pence.

[–]target_locked 82ポイント83ポイント  (20子コメント)

The problem is that they didn't actually say anything rude or derogatory. They only used their stage as a platform to speak what much of them and their audience believes to be true. It could have been much worse and I think that this response is a bit overboard. We would be pointing and laughing at SJW's and their hurt fee fee's if the shoe was on the other foot.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 57ポイント58ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I don't see anything particularly bad about what was said.

[–]Ghost5410 14ポイント15ポイント  (18子コメント)

Asking to be treated like everyone else, which is what Trump is doing in the tweet, is not a call for a safe space. Let the man enjoy something without being mentioned that he's there in the audience.

[–]target_locked 63ポイント64ポイント  (4子コメント)

Asking to be treated like everyone else

He's the Vice-President. He isn't going to be treated like everyone else ever again.

which is what Trump is doing in the tweet, is not a call for a safe space.

He says that the theater should be a safe space directly in his tweet. Whether he means OUR definition of safe space is absolutely up for debate.

Let the man enjoy something without being mentioned that he's there in the audience.

While in a perfect world I would agree, he gave up that right as soon as he decided to run and win the nations second highest office.

[–]helpmesleep666 28ポイント29ポイント  (12子コメント)

Let the man enjoy something without being mentioned that he's there in the audience.

You realize we're talking about someone who's on Broadway.. That's been extremely vocal in his hate for homosexuals..

Are they just supposed to bend over and say sure Mr Pence fuck me harder now that you have crazy amounts of power?

Or should they stand up for their rights and let the future VP know they won't allow him to remove inalienable rights guaranteed to all men under our constitution?

I'm not sure why everyone is going so soft on our current P and VP elect. If they've got nothing to hide or be ashamed of they shouldn't need safe spaces.

[–]ZakenPirate 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are they just supposed to bend over and say sure Mr Pence fuck me harder now that you have crazy amounts of power?

Yes. And if they don't shut up, the homos are censoring Pence!!! /s

[–]TheSpecialJuan96 29ポイント30ポイント  (43子コメント)

I feel like virtue signalling is said so often that is loses all meaning. These people had an opportunity, probably their only opportunity, to directly address the future president of the United States, and in doing so the rest of the country, about issues that are extremely important to them.

This is especially the case as LGBT people have historically had a close relationship with the theater (I'm probably going to wind up on SRS for propagating evil stereotypes for this) and Mike Pence has been one of the most ardent opponent of gay rights in American politics (http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2016/jul/28/gavin-newsom/true-mike-pence-advocated-conversion-therapy/) even going so far as to support some pretty fucked up conversion therapy (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/realities-of-conversion-therapy_us_582b6cf2e4b01d8a014aea66). If nothing else that speech reassured people that they weren't going to be thrown under the bus in favor of Pence's brand of ultra-conservative, oppressive Christianity.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, they could send him an email or write something on a website, but there's no guarantee he'd ever see it.

I don't see this as much different to approaching a politician in public anywhere else and trying to talk to them about an issue which concerns you.

[–]TheSpecialJuan96 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

I could understand the outrage if the statement was "fuck you you little orange cunt. Hope you die in a car crash" but I thought that the statement they read was very respectful and moderate. Given all of the Trump supporters talking about respecting the presidential office (which is ironic given that Trump was a major proponent of one of the dumbest and most malicious conspiracy theories in recent history aimed at undermining Obama) I thought they showed as much respect as possible while still expressing their disapproval.

[–]Cinnadillo 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

that entire last paragraph was directed at the patron and is the equivalent of "I am taking this time to implore you to not take actions against me and others like me"

[–]Keirndmo 18ポイント19ポイント  (15子コメント)

Mike Pence never supported the Electroshock therapy. The quote that came from was him saying "I support institutions that help people change their sexuality."

Electroshock being the most infamous one, the media decided that it needed to paint a new narrative about the man. Pretty much everything about Pence is just a horribly mangled quote or misunderstood law that he passed.

http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-supported-gay-conversion-therapy/

[–]TheSpecialJuan96 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

After doing some more research you are right that there is no evidence of Pence supporting electro-shock therapy. With that said his support of using government money to support conversion therapy ("Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior") which helps to legitimize and promote conversion therapy and leads to the more extreme electro-shock kind is still pretty fucked up. Combined with his being one of the most bitter opponents of gay marriage I understand why the cast of Hamilton would be concerned about what he might do as Vice President.

[–]helpmesleep666 33ポイント34ポイント  (10子コメント)

"I support institutions that help people change their sexuality."

That alone.. is an awful thing to say lol.

The dude absolutely hates homosexuals, there's no way about it. It's evident in the way he speaks and legislates.

Simply implying gays can be changed is a complete dismissal of everything we know about human sexuality and is something out of 1950.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Had the idea been debunked at the time he made his statement, as a matter of interest?

[–]thrway_1000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was debunked a long time ago. When it first came out and was pushed on social media. While I don't like his opinions on homosexuality and gay marriage he's not what the propaganda is pushing, just another religious dumbass

[–]Cinnadillo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

he hates them or doesn't believe certain things?

[–]Keirndmo 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

He never talked about forcing people to do it. He says he supports people who want to change it. Who are gay themselves and think it's wrong.

[–]helpmesleep666 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's just as awful of an excuse lol.

Telling people to hate themselves for their sexual orientation based on religious laws is fucking terrifying for an elected official.

The amount of time Mike Pence spends on homosexuals it's is pretty suspect... I'd prefer if my tax dollars weren't going to someone who's basis for logic on the matter comes out of 1950.

[–]Teyar 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Go read on what conversion therapy actually consists of. It's no holds barred EVIL designed to kill people, with a 50% success rate at that.

[–]bikki420 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This. Using "virtue signalling" whenever someone says something that is tangentially related to progressive notions is lazy and intellectually dishonest. And in this context, blatantly false, to boot.

[–]Ghost5410 7ポイント8ポイント  (19子コメント)

And LGBT people will have nothing to worry about because Trump does not give a fuck about it.

[–]Netscape9pl0x 16ポイント17ポイント  (18子コメント)

I would agree with you, if it weren't for Trump appointing social conservative ("pro-life") judges. Most likely the issue of gay marriage won't be raised, but if it is, I think we all know how a hugely socially conservative stacked court would rule.

[–]ProjectD13X 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

And maybe this is why legislating shouldn't be done by the courts?

[–]Netscape9pl0x 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Do you think it's constitutional for the government to only allow straight couples to marry, while barring homosexual couples?

[–]ProjectD13X 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Going by the constitution the government shouldn't be in marriage in the first place. Also going by the constitution, the supreme court shouldn't be legislating by the bench. See, when you centralize power, you might get some outcomes that you like at first, but sooner or later, you're gonna lose that power to someone who you don't like so much, and they'll be quite happy to inherit the power you centralized for yourself.

[–]Netscape9pl0x 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

As long the government is involved though, it should be equal.

[–]TerribleGermivore 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here we are in a thread where people are complaining that KiA has changed due to the shift in politics, yet there are people here who are directly linking to Huffingtonpost.

[–]TheRootsCrew 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats not virtue signaling.

[–]ArgonBorn 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

And this first season of America is getting really good fast! I can't wait to see how the plot evolves.

[–]etiolatezed 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The call for safe space is funny. Cast is probably up their own ass. Have to laugh at both sides here.

[–]TerribleGermivore 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like people here don't seem to realize that both sides can be in the wrong.

[–]Gaming_Loser 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont have a horse in this race.

The cast said these things to elicit a reaction. I bet they thought he would just get up and leave. Props on him for staying.

When I go to a show, I am going to get away from things. Immerse myself in a little fantasy. Have a good time. Try to forget the shitty world for a few hours. What I dont want is some ideologues telling me how I should think and feel. No matter the subject. Leave that shit outside or better yet, keep it to yourself. This is everyone's main point on this subreddit I think. We want to just play games, not listen to made up political shit.

That being said, our leaders can't get all butthurt when this kind of stupid shit happens. This administration is going to be the most criticized in history I think. They need to grow a little thicker skin.

What I find ironic is the cast has "concerns" about these issues of fairness and equality. Hamilton didn't care about equal rights. He also helped come up with the electoral college. He was killed after insulting Burr (an ex vice president) as well as undermining a sitting president (Adams). How little things change. Just because someone made a show about a long dead guy and replaced all the white people with minorities, doesn't give you some moral high ground on every issue in America. Also, the President should be a little more tactful in his responses as well.

[–]clemenceau1990 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Theater artist here.

The cast had every right to do what they did. You have casts after shows addressing current events semi-often. After Robin Williams died the Broadway Alladin cast addressed it. After the gay marriage judgement you had quite a few shows address it/have propasals on stage.

Do I personally think it was bad theater ettiquite? Not really, but probably could have been done in a more respectful way. I also hate political theater, agitprop, or being moralized to by my theater. If your story has a moral to tell then it should be self-evident in itself, not requiring the cast to prepare a written statement after the fact. Are you a storyteller or a preacher of morals? Make a decision because one is an artist, and the other is a propagandist.

[–]Vordreller 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump asking for safe spaces. Hah.

[–]saboay 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bullshit reaction, there's nothing rude about the message that was read to him.

[–]Aurondarklord 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did he seriously say he wants a safe space?

[–]Fenrir007Posting from the Pope's laptop 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

While I don't think its right to abuse spectators in a play, I saw nothing of the sort here. It was a polite statement, so I think Trump is overreacting.

[–]Sifr_Brude 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would feel differently if it was Trump speaking on his own behalf. Right now he's just sticking up for his VP.

[–]Cobra1066 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like we should as to what the cast of Hamilton thinks.

[–]chambertlo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mike Pence is a closet case who uses deflection to hide the fact that the is secretly gay, just like every man who is vehemently against gay rights. This is what makes their comment against him tragically ironic.

[–]subbookkeepper 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love it, now these people are going to attack Trump for wanting a "safe space" and their only option is to argue that "there are no safe spaces for politics"

[–]SkyriderRJM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

After all the months of Trump-eting on KIA in the last year, it's pretty funny that the dude isn't even elected yet and he's outraged on twitter and demanding an apology because a theater wasn't a safe space for his VP's feelings.

So much for the end of the wussification of America...

[–]NocturnalQuill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think that it was appropriate for the cast to call out an audience member and make a political statement, but I would hardly call it aggressive or harassment.

[–]9291 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Guy, this is simple theatre etiquette. You don't try to embarrass an audience member with a pre-written speech, but give no warning to the person you're trying to ambush. And while the cameras are rolling, then calling it a "conversation" later.

I mean, this is so stupid and offensive, I can't believe people are willing to throw their brains out just because politics.

[–]ThisIsWhoWeR 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

It was bullshit virtue signaling and a partisan attempt to be morally "winning" after a huge leftist election loss. Expect more of this considering all the leftie butthurt.

But it was freedom of speech. Bad choice of words, Trump. "Safe and special place," get the fuck outta here.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yep, he just handed his critics ammunition for another round of articles.

[–]Cinnadillo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is how trump rolls... how he doesn't roll into a ditch and over a cliff with his antics... god only knows... our first YOLO president

[–]MattTheBlack 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are y'all really that unaware that you think the guy who is being bombarded with leftist bullshit doesn't know he's using their ideas against them.

[–]B-VOLLEYBALL-READYCoined word: "Ovary-acting"[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

If that's the case, I don't think that will come across in the reporting, do you?

[–]MattTheBlack 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well seeing as he's done stuff like this multiple times as a gotcha during his campaign I would think it would be obvious by now

[–]GunsangOAH 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparently Pence left before they even managed to make the statement. Basically, like a normal person, he decided to leave and the idiot social justice cast lectured someone who wasn't even there. Not surprised I don't see a lot of mention of this embarrassment.

Handled and where it should of stayed, without Trump needing to be involved with a very poor choice of words.

[–]determinedSkeleton 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"safe and special place"

He knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he said this. Using the ctrl-left's own language against them. Classic Trump!