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Trump demands apology from Hamilton cast after Mike Pence booed (theguardian.com)

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[–]GrayFlannelDwarf [スコア非表示]  (36子コメント)

A description of the event in question from the Washington Post:

“You know, we have a guest in the audience this evening,” he said to audience laughter. “And Vice President-elect Pence, I see you walking out, but I hope you will hear us just a few more moments. There’s nothing to boo here, ladies and gentlemen. There’s nothing to boo here. We’re all here sharing a story of love. We have a message for you, sir. We hope that you will hear us out.”

As he pulled a small piece of paper from his pocket, Dixon encouraged people to record and share what he was about to say “because this message needs to be spread far and wide.”

“Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you, and we truly thank you for joining us here at ‘Hamilton: An American Musical.’ We really do,” Dixon said to further applause. “We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and work on behalf of all of us. All of us. Again, we truly thank you truly for (sharing) this show, this wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men and women of different colors, creeds and orientations.”

[–]Kasper1000 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I'm genuinely confused, where is the "harassment" that Trump was tweeting about? The cast of Hamilton seems pretty darn respectful, it's the audience that was booing Pence, right? Or is there something I'm missing here?

[–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

You're missing the part that they basically lectured the current VP before he even took office about how scared they all are... in the middle of a play... which he paid for, and didn't allow Pence to respond to the attacks.

[–]Homo_domesticus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

End of play. Welcome to free speech in America. Sorry bout it.

[–]hss424 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It was during the curtain call. It's the last part of the play. They did their show and just made a statement at the end of it.

[–]Kasper1000 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Oh c'mon, are you seriously calling them voicing their concerns as an "attack"? We already make fun of liberals for being so overly sensitive, you can't honestly state that they somehow verbally attacked Pence. If anything, the cast was incredibly respectful in how they approached him.

[–]themothman99 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I see it the same as being a celebrity. He was there to enjoy the show, probably with family, and they had to take the opportunity to bother someone in a public place with their issues. It's not harassment, but it is disrespectful of someone's free time and privacy.

I'm not haranguing anyone for the action, but I don't stop my councilmen at McDonalds to give them a piece of my mind... I'm an adult.

[–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights

lol Feels before reals.

[–]IratusTaurus [スコア非表示]  (26子コメント)

Sorry, what do you mean by this?

[–]BaconJunkiesFTW [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

He means that the bigot that supports conversion therapy is nothing to be afraid of.

[–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Lol any evidence he supports that practice now or has any power to change any laws at all?

[–]BaconJunkiesFTW [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Granted, he didn't explicitly state "conversion therapy", he just called for state funding for institutions that use what basically amounts to conversion therapy.

[–]Bad_Celeb_Pic_Bot [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

the snopes article explicitly says "WHAT'S FALSE: Pence never stated that he supported the use of electric shocks or "gay conversion" therapy."

[–]BaconJunkiesFTW [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Great job at reading the first line and then nothing after that.

It says that he never explicitly states that he supports gay conversion, he just stated support for what amounts to gay conversion. Hell, I pointed this out in my comment that you replied to.

[–]mostnormal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

doesn't matter. it mentions his name and "gay conversion." that's enough for me! /s

[–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

(Even the absolutely biased and terrible Snopes said it's false.)

[–]GrayFlannelDwarf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He gave a very vague statement that can be interpreted in many different ways.

Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.

"Organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus" is very vague, as is providing "assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior." In a worst case reading, one would say that Pence thinks gay sex is a type of behavior that facilitates spreading HIV and any organization that supports the LGBTQ community is celebrating a behavior which spreads HIV. Changing sexual behavior can also be read as conversion therapy.

The most charitable reading is that it the behavior that facilitates spreading HIV is not any gay sex but unprotected gay sex, and changing sexual behavior refers only to learning how to have safe responsible sex.

Either way he couldn't have supported electroshock therapy since that had been abandoned by the APA since 1973 and this law wasn't passed until 1990/

[–]TheGoatsMustBeCrazy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Believe it or not, some people don't actually think the world revolves around LGBTQ2+... rights (whatever those even are today).

The left tries to frame everything in these terms. The only way to win that game is not to play. Sorry.

[–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

I mean that entire speech was literally just "we all feel scared" and contained absolutely zero objective facts.

This is the typical argumentative style of the left.

[–]IratusTaurus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It doesn't need saying that Mike Pence is not a supporter of the LGBT community or foreigners.

Nevertheless, were conservatives not scared of Obama taking their guns?

That's comparable - group with rights scared that politician with track record of attempting to limit those rights will use power to further limit rights.

[–]Cycloptic_Floppycock [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Are we suddenly ignoring the whole anti - gay/immigrant/science that Trump's campaign hitched to his MAGA train?

[–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Yeah, Trump is really anti-gay, you know, like when he was for gay marriage going back to 2005 and numerous times made mention of the importance of gay people at the RNC or had Peter Thiel talk.

[–]A_Feast_For_Trolls [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yeah, trump is really anti-hillary, considering he supported her campaign in 2008. great logic there buddy. /s

[–]zacharyan100 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So your argument is that Trump is anti-gay, why not present some evidence? There is plenty of evidence that he is very pro LGBT.

[–]mathemusician19 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

However the GOP party platform passed at the RNC makes several points about the definition of marriage as one man and one woman, how children deserve a married mother and father, etc. Trump may seem to be pro-gay or at least tolerant/doesn't care, but people like Pence or countless other prominent Republican leaders very much aren't. I'd feel scared too if people who actively argued against my orientation and right to marriage became the majority in the government.

Edit: a letter

[–]zacharyan100 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You're painting the party with a pretty wide brush. At least half of them would like to get the government out of marriage entirely. And almost none of them care who you have sex with.

[–]Folsomdsf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, the GOP passed it as part of the party platform, they were holding the brush and painted themselves with it. This was declared by them.

If I ran out into the street naked smearing myself in jello going 'I'M AN IDIOT' would you go 'You're panting yourself with a pretty wide brush'?

[–]mostnormal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't be logical! Trump is gonna kill all gays and you know it! /s

[–]BengieStacks91 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The speech was directed at Mike Pence. His history is concerning.

[–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

No the speech was directed at "Trump's administration" in their words, so AGAIN who the fuck are those fuckers talking to?

[–]CaptainJackHardass [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Believe it or not, Pence is part of Trump's administration. I know, it's a shocker

[–]BengieStacks91 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

And they are nervous because of Pences history. His history is one of legislation tainted with religious leanings. You've been screaming the virtues of federalism on here. What about separation of church and state? Pence ignored that the the entire time he was governor of Indiana. To the detriment of his constituents.

I believe Trump could give two shits about social issues. He is not my concern. Every word that was directed at Pence was justified.

Are you really that ignorant of Pences time as governor of Indiana?

[–]zacharyan100 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Pence ignored that the the entire time he was governor of Indiana. To the detriment of his constituents.

I'm challenging this. Provide evidence please.

P.S. I'm baiting you into bringing up the RFRA.

[–]zacharyan100 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Annnnndddd nobody in that room besides Pence could actually define inalienable rights.

[–]RudeEtuxtable [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Why are people so offended by this? This is how democracy works. A person speaks their mind in a civil manner to a person in power. Whether you agree with the statement or oppose it, the tact should be celebrated.

[–]-ridgeracer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yea I thought it was corny and I don't like Hamilton or its cast but I don't care about this.

[–]uncledoink [スコア非表示]  (133子コメント)

“The Theater must always be a safe and special place.The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!”

Funny, almost looks to me like Trump is demanding that the theater become some kind of "safe space"

[–]qweruiopoiureq [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

He's using their own language against them.

[–]GrayFlannelDwarf [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Doesn't that acknowledge the legitimacy of that language? If the theater should be a "safe space" why not a class room?

[–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

That assumes you don't believe he's being sarcastic and mocking them, which he is.

[–]GrayFlannelDwarf [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

I don't think he's being sarcastic, nothing in the tweet indicates that. Trump is not a person who takes insults lying down and demanding an apology seems in character for him. Honestly, I just think Trump didn't think very hard about the wording.

Our wonderful future V.P. Mike Pence was harassed last night at the theater by the cast of Hamilton, cameras blazing.This should not happen!

The Theater must always be a safe and special place.The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!”

[–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Sarcasm in print is almost always misinterpreted lol

[–]hamelemental2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Which is more likely: That Trump was being sarcastic in this one tweet, despite the fact that it's tone and structure is very much in line with all of his other tweets, or that it's sincere?

I mean, if you just want to give this a pass and say it's sarcasm, couldn't you also do that about hundreds of other tweets he's sent out, or public statements that he's made? How can you know which ones he's serious about and which ones he isn't?

Also, isn't it kind of reaching to assume you understand a hidden, but apparently obvious meaning in this specific tweet?

[–]Cycloptic_Floppycock [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

If only Trump was capable of sarcasm.

[–]Ziff7 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So Pence isn't a good man?

[–]KGoo [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Name one time Obama asked someone to apologize for insulting him.

[–]qweruiopoiureq [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Was I talking about Obama? I was talking about leftists in general.

But, since you are too stupid to understand the plural "them" instead of "him" and to lazy to do a basic google search:

And have you been living under a rock? Leftists are absolutely obsessed with that "safe spaces" bullshit. Don't even start.

[–]dodos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Right - some leftists are obsessed with "safe places." And they are mocked, rightly so, for being far too sensitive to criticism and contrary beliefs. As such, Trump and co. need to be mocked - its a sign of weakness. And given how tame the "harassment" was - its doubly embarrassing for Trump and Pence. Practice what you preach brothers.

[–]RagingPigeon [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Leftists are absolutely obsessed with that "safe spaces" bullshit.

That sounds like something you've conditioned yourself to believe without ever coming into contact with it in real life.

[–]dicknipplesextreme [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

It's ironic considering /r/the_dorito is the ultimate safe-space in that they straight up ban anyone with dissenting opinions, even with facts to back it up.

[–]dodos [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Define "facts."

[–]Saidsker [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

A thing that is known or proved to be true or information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.

[–]dodos [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

OK. So when you get a news article, how do you determine whether or not the information in the article is true? How far back do you go to ensure the info is known or proved?

[–]Cycloptic_Floppycock [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Still, a valid point. When has Obama as President demanded apologies?

[–]KGoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Aaaaand this is why we can't have nice things (an honest discussion). I don't understand why every political conversation comes to insults and generalizations immediately. You've totally obliterated the foundation for a real discussion.

Your example, by the way, references the White House and not Obama specifically.

Lastly, if you're angry at "the leftists" as you put it, then so are most Democrats! So we can agree on that! You're bitching about a tiny sub group that Fox news portrays as the majority.

[–]Allergic2ShellFsh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm way far right and I want you to kill yourself.

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    [–]Wait_IKnowYou [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I don't think he has the intellectual capacity to do that. In fact, it's more likely that Trump is just a thin-skinned, easily triggered dicklet. Sorry if my hate-filled liberal rhetoric is insulting to your safe space here.

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (96子コメント)

    If you have watched Trump up to this point you know he's mocking the left and media

    [–]i_kn0w_n0thing [スコア非表示]  (94子コメント)

    So this is trump? http://m.imgur.com/gallery/n8umjWj

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (93子コメント)

    Nope it's more like "the left are the violent hate-filled ones not us and this is an example".

    [–]i_kn0w_n0thing [スコア非表示]  (75子コメント)

    Did you watch the video? It was neither violent or hate filled

    [–]stoffel_bristov [スコア非表示]  (32子コメント)

    You don't think that addressing someone in the audience out for the evening in an unofficial capacity is hate filled? I do.

    [–]i_kn0w_n0thing [スコア非表示]  (30子コメント)

    Maybe rude, but I think calling it hate filled is a bit much

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

    I watched it, they were vitrolic and attacking strawman after strawman after strawman in their idiotic soliloquy

    [–]i_kn0w_n0thing [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

    “You know, we have a guest in the audience this evening,” he said to audience laughter. “And Vice President-elect Pence, I see you walking out, but I hope you will hear us just a few more moments. There’s nothing to boo here, ladies and gentlemen. There’s nothing to boo here. We’re all here sharing a story of love. We have a message for you, sir. We hope that you will hear us out.”

    As he pulled a small piece of paper from his pocket, Dixon encouraged people to record and share what he was about to say “because this message needs to be spread far and wide.”

    “Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you, and we truly thank you for joining us here at ‘Hamilton: An American Musical.’ We really do,” Dixon said to further applause. “We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and work on behalf of all of us. All of us. Again, we truly thank you truly for (sharing) this show, this wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men and women of different colors, creeds and orientations.”

    I see no vitriol in this statement or strawmen, if you do please point it out to me. What I do see is a group of people pleading for an administration to not forget about those who did not vote for them.

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

    we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights

    This part. It's literally the definition of "feels before reals". Neither Trump nor Pence during the campaign ever made any comments about removing the rights of Americans or gays for that matter. In fact they frequently said the opposite, that they'd protect gay people from violence that's caused by Islamic extremists in the US.

    I also do find it hilarious that people in a play about Alexander Hamilton know so little about what Hamilton and the founders actually stood for (you know, Federalism for example).

    It's also an incredible (and indefensible) assumption that gay men and women and black/hispanic people didn't vote for Trump. It doesn't match the facts at all.

    [–]billswinthesuperbowl [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    You don't think that they hate him?

    [–]i_kn0w_n0thing [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    I hate a few people but that doesn't mean every time I talk to them that I am hate filled.

    [–]Santafe2008 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    If it was just "Someone" then maybe, but it's the incoming VP, the guy was is a heartbeat from being Pres. A comedian can pick on anyone in the audience that they want to with no repercussions.

    If you want the big job you better have your big boy pants on and grow a thick skin. You are going to be publicly criticized none stop. It's part of the role.

    [–]ultimisConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (41子コメント)

    It was highly bigoted. Par for course for the left. Let's interrupt a non political event to talk down to someone who doesn't share our positions and project strawman onto him.

    The left has not only abandoned the rule of law but now they are abandoning basic civil discourse in the vein of their ancestors the KKK.

    [–]Silidon [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

    Let's interrupt a non political event

    Have you seen or heard anything about Hamilton? It's a play about a destitute immigrant coming to America to make something of himself and contributing to American society, with strong references to the debate between the state governments and federal power throughout. Just because it's not a campaign event doesn't make it non-political.

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Funny they missed the part about Hamilton being extremely for gun rights amongst other things they'd probably find bigoted

    [–]ultimisConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    It's a play. Not a political rally.

    [–]Silidon [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    Just because it's not a campaign event doesn't make it non-political.

    Politics doesn't occur in a vacuum, nor do plays. Hamilton, in particular, is a play steeped in American politics.

    [–]DustyJoel [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    I mean, I get that. But if the cast of 'The Book of Mormon' started giving their religious opinions at the curtain call, I'd feel it was highly inappropriate.

    [–]Silidon [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Why?

    [–]Santafe2008 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Isn't the entire play making fun of Mormon's, which is in fact giving their religious opinion.

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    "Let's use this audience to bully the sitting Vice President in a format he cannot even respond to our wild attacks or criticism".

    [–]IratusTaurus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    He's not the sitting Vice President yet.

    [–]AnewRevolution94 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    He's the Vice President elect, had you listened to what the actors said at the end, I'm sure VP Pence could've gone down and have been a leader and addressed them like an adult. I don't think he did the wrong thing by staying silent, but he could've told Trump to lay off the twitter comebacks and have it be forgotten by next week's news cycle.

    [–]RudeEtuxtable [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

    I don't think you know what the word bigoted means.

    [–]ultimisConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

    Using a single aspect of a person to hate on them in all aspects of life screams bigotry.

    [–]RudeEtuxtable [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

    Bigotry is the discrimination against person based on their beliefs or natural conditions (race, gender, etc). This was civil discourse with no recourse against the target. It is really a stretch to say that a VP was discriminated against because someone disagrees with him.

    [–]Lawfulgray [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I don't think you understand what discourse means.

    [–]dodos [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Hold on - making a political statement is now abandoning basic civil discourse? Is the whole basis of free and open speech is that it is free and open anywhere? The far left and alt-right deserve each other. You're all fucking idiots.

    [–]Ziff7 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    The KKK supports Trump. What's that tell you?

    [–]ultimisConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    That it isn't nearly the same movement that dominated the country in the early 20th century. A movement that hated Catholics, Jews, and blacks. The democratic party empowered that movement where progressive heroes like Woodrow Wilson were up to their necks in KKK activities, where FDR appointed Justice Black to the SCOTUS who was a KKK member who hated Catholics with a passion (who also coined the rally cry of the left "Separation of Church and State" into court precedent.

    The same clan that Robert Byrd was a leader in and that the Clintons were very close. Their tactics haven't changed, but their objectives have.

    [–]Santafe2008 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    How can you possibly pull bigoted out of that.

    [–]ultimisConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Maybe the definition of bigotry?

    intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

    intolerance:

    unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.

    I know the English language is hard for the left to understand, but words have meaning.

    [–]Santafe2008 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    They disagree . That is not an unwillingness to accept views, it's a difference of opinion. And who are you to judge me or what my beliefs may or may not be. Typical bully tatics...Right, left, it doesn't matter their are bullies on both points of view.

    [–]ultimisConstitutionalist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    That is not an unwillingness to accept views

    Yeah that is. You can't have a peaceful cultural play where people are entertained and go about the day because you can't accept that someone has a different belief than you. You stop make a scene and cause tension due to that bigotry.

    it's a difference of opinion.

    They are a allowed to have a difference of opinion. They are also allowed to be bigots, and we're allowed to call them out for their bigotry. If they tolerated the fact that Pence has different political views this wouldn't be a story.

    [–]optionhome [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

    Conservatives would never attend an event and boo a liberal politician. Even a liar who should have already been indicted. But that's the difference when politics has become your religion as it has with liberals. There is no dissenting views from them that are allowed. It is their very attitude that they are the only ones with the "right ideas" that has cost them all of congress, almost all the state governments, the presidency, and very soon the SC. In a way it's actually good for us that they keep acting like spoiled brat assholes because it keeps moving more people over to our side.

    [–]beanh8er2015 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I legitimately thought you were joking at first. Do you not remember the state of the union where a republican congressman shouted at Obama during his speech?

    [–]Teachu2x [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Never, ever would a Republican stand up and yell "liar" or something during, idk, the state of the union address, or something small like that.

    [–]Snukkems [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Conservatives would never attend an event and boo a liberal politician.

    Obama Booed at NFL Stadium 9/11 Tribute

    [–]Cycloptic_Floppycock [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    "You lie!"

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

    In fact Hillary was there, and no conservatives in the audience booed her. Because conservatives are grown ups.

    [–]IratusTaurus [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    "Killary" "Lock her up" "Nasty woman" And many more - not all conservatives are grown ups.

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    Oh did they say that at the play? No? Those were at political rallies? You don't say.

    [–]IratusTaurus [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    That is true, where did you read that hillary was there? It's interesting that the cast didn't address her.

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    She went back stage with them and they jerked her off I'm sure. It was on american mirror this morning

    [–]InvadedByMoops [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    LOCK HER UP

    LOCK HER UP

    And the lynched Obama effigies... So many lynched Obama effigies.

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Lol no they didn't. I also didn't realize Hamilton was a Hillary political rally

    [–]ManDrone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    No true Scotsman, eh?

    [–]Santafe2008 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Never say never...

    [–]BrighamYoung [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    He's just asking these imbeciles to grow up.

    If they're going to yield the moral high ground, he's going to take it, it's that simple.

    [–]KGoo [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    They didn't insult anyone... They're simply stating their beliefs and fears and asking for his view.

    [–]KGoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Seems like he's asking for it to become a compliant space.

    [–]Vrael22 [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

    Anyone else think he's mocking them?

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

    He is, this has Bannon written all over it. Interest in Trump University has taken a nose dive since the moment Trump tweeted about it: https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/800027135868104704

    Now everyone is talking about how liberals on the East Coast are idiots with double standards. They applauded a man who was against gay marriage until May 2012 (Obama) and now lecture a VP for a candidate who has been pro-gay marriage since 2005.

    [–]Snukkems [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

    now lecture a VP for a candidate who has been pro-gay marriage since 2005.

    Errrr.... 2006 he said

    societal collapse was always brought about following an advent of the deterioration of marriage and family.” Pence also called being gay a choice and said keeping gays from marrying was not discrimination, but an enforcement of “God’s idea.”

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

    Man do you really want to go back to what Hillary and Obama were saying even when they ran for election in 2008? lol Because they said some very anti-gay shit then too.

    But I forgot, GOPers can never ever change their views, ever.

    [–]DylanHousman [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Where's the evidence that Pence has changed his view? Deflecting to Obama after you get proven wrong just makes you look stupid.

    [–]Snukkems [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Man do you really want to go back to what Hillary and Obama were saying even when they ran for election in 2008? lol Because they said some very anti-gay shit then too.

    Nobody disagreed with that, but the fact is Pence is still anti-gay you can look at his recent Religious Freedom laws in Indiana to see that.

    But I forgot, GOPers can never ever change their views, ever.

    GOPers can and will change their views, for the most part. Fiscal conservatives are fairly mutable when it comes to social issues. Social conservatives however, make social issues their main point and backing down on any of them would be a form of weakness, concession, and it would be a bit like a socialist walking back redistribution of wealth. You can't be one if you do that.

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Pence is still anti-gay you can look at his recent Religious Freedom laws in Indiana to see that.

    There's zero evidence Pence is anti-gay at all, at best he's anti-gay marriage, which is a totally different issue than being Anti-gay.

    That said do you have any evidence he's still, to this day, anti-gay marriage?

    [–]Snukkems [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    2013 he signed a law that made it a felony for same sex couples to apply for marriage license.

    You get a form to sign up for a marriage, you check male or female, but there's no box for the partner to check male or female, and lying on the form is a felony.

    So... Unless he's walked that back in the last 6 months, he's fairly obviously anti-gay. Because you cannot be anti-gay marriage, without being anti-gay.

    [–]MarxistOfQueensberry [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    Meanwhile Pence remains vehemently anti-gay marriage.

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    most recent information I can find shows his last quote was over 3 years ago on the topic, so about when Obama decided to not be anti-gay marriage. Evidence?

    Why wasn't he asked this by Kaine during the debate? Afraid of the answer?

    You know what these twats could have done? Invited the man on stage, asked him what he thought about gay marriage, and if he'd protect gay Americans and given him the chance to answer.

    Instead they virtue signaled the fuck out of the whole thing.

    [–]MarxistOfQueensberry [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    He signed a """Religious Liberty""" bill as early as last year, codifying anti-LGBT discrimination into law on the grounds that bigotry was a religious right.

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    There's federalist reasons for him signing that bill that doesn't mean he's anti-gay or gay marriage.

    So the question is, where is the evidence he's still both? Why did these liberal twats not allow the man to respond to their attacks?

    [–]TheGoatsMustBeCrazy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    So? Does there need to be 100% conformity on the issue?

    I'm sure he is personally opposed to it, and I'm glad he is, as there should be somebody representing the views of the 40% who don't agree with it. At the very least, I'd be encouraged to see somebody in the executive stand with the states that have made democratic decisions on the matter only to have their state rights violated by an activist Supreme Court.

    Federalism > this newly discovered "right" to marriage

    [–]hss424 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Um...there has been an implicit "right" to marriage throughout most of human history. Even Hammurabi's code has marriage laws written in it.

    [–]TheGoatsMustBeCrazy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    All sorts of people are prohibitted from marrying one another and always have been. There is no right to pick whoever you want to marry and have it get legal recognition.

    If marriage is a right innate to all humans, how can we justiably restrict anyone from accessing it with whomever they like? But we put age restrictions, kinship restrictions, and numerical restrictions on it without second thought. I see no reason why we can't have a sex restriction in accordance with its intended purpose.

    The point of marriage is to facilitate the creation of strong families built around its ideal form and function, and that's the only reason the state should have any interest in it in the first place. A lifelong, monogamous pairing of a man and a woman who have children under that arrangement is good for society, so governments created a legal structure to formalize it.

    They pick and choose all the time how they wish to regulate and recognize it. The government's participation in it is for pragmatic reasons, not for human rights reasons. There is no reason for the Feds to interfere with a state on how they democratically wish to regulate marriage.

    [–]KGoo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Times change... The people spoke... Politicians change their stances all the time.

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Agreed unless you're a republican then everything you said 40 years ago is exactly how you feel right now about everything.

    [–]puskas14 [スコア非表示]  (25子コメント)

    Every theater person I've met has been a smug asshole. This video proves that self important attitude persists to the highest level.

    [–]BaconJunkiesFTW [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

    Yeah, fuck them for voicing their concerns in a respectful manner! Such smugness! /s

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

    If they wanted to voice their concerns they could have asked to meet the VP in private or given him the microphone to respond.

    Do you know why they didn't? Hint: it's not because they wanted to have a conversation

    [–]BaconJunkiesFTW [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    Not wanting to have a conversation isn't the same as being smug assholes.

    They didn't insult him.

    They didn't encourage the audience to boo.

    They weren't disrespectful in anyway.

    But hey, keep trying to purport yourselves to be the victims.

    [–]steadwik [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Have you noticed the sudden shift in peoples' attitude towards freedom of speech when it concerns their political candidates?

    If that had been obama being addressed at the end of a play, people would have fallen over themselves in their effort to denounce the man as some kind of despot.

    [–]CarolinaPunkEsse Quam Videri [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    They said they where having a conversation.

    They are wrong.

    [–]zacharyan100 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Not wanting to have a conversation isn't the same as being smug assholes.

    Yes it is. If you don't want to engage in conversation, you can do one of two things:

    1. Don't start a dialogue (not smug)

    2. Make one person the target of your virtue signaling, and not allow a response.

    One of these is smug.

    [–]BaconJunkiesFTW [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Voicing your concerns with an administration that is pretty open about its bigotry isn't being smug.

    If the controversial political figure didn't want to be a target, maybe he shouldn't have attended a relevant political satire.

    [–]zacharyan100 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Voicing your concerns with an administration that is pretty open about its bigotry isn't being smug.

    I repeat, virtue signaling against a present party without allowing the platform for a response is smug.

    If the controversial political figure didn't want to be a target, maybe he shouldn't have attended a relevant political satire.

    So republicans shouldn't attend public events unless they are willing to be singled out and chastised by the staff? If that dude pulled this stunt with anyone else in the audience without provocation, he would be fired and would not be able to get another job on stage.

    [–]saintpetershere [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    That was the first thing I thought of when I heard about this. I haven't seen Pence tell the Hamilton Theatre actors how to do their job from his podium .

    [–]Homo_domesticus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Correct. They wanted a meme. It sounds so familiar somehow......

    [–]Allergic2ShellFsh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Haha because he would allow a conversation? This rich cunts need ten thousand filters in between them and anything close to a real question.

    [–]CarolinaPunkEsse Quam Videri [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    It's a play. You can voice your concerns anytime, it takes special hubris to say it to his face while he is attending your show. It was rude.

    And if a conservative audience did that to a liberal it would be called bullying. In fact the reaction of to trump is hypocritical, he is just voicing his concerns.

    [–]BaconJunkiesFTW [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    And if a conservative audience did that to a liberal it would be called bullying. In fact the reaction of to trump is hypocritical, he is just voicing his concerns.

    Okay, there's a lot wrong with this.

    First off, it's a straw man. You have no basis for this argument.

    Second of all, If it happened exactly how it did in this situation, only with the sides flipped, I highly doubt that it would've had any different of a reaction.

    There would indeed be (false) claims of it being bullying, but it wouldn't be the majority. This is obvious due to how many conservatives are doing exactly what you're claiming the liberals of doing.

    And no, the reaction to Trump is not hypocritical. He is not voicing his concerns. He is demanding an apology to nonexistent harassment. Ironically, something that the conservative right is infamous for critiscing the left of.

    [–]TheGoatsMustBeCrazy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Isn't it deeply unprofessional to call out one of your patrons?

    This is like the chef coming out of the kitchen to publicly chastise a diner in front of the entire restaurant.

    [–]zacharyan100 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Yes... but it's forgivable since Pence is conservative /s

    [–]mostnormal [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    respectful

    Not sure if you know the meaning of that word...

    [–]BaconJunkiesFTW [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I do, actually. Can you show me what they did that warrants an apology?

    [–]zacharyan100 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Well, virtue signaling without opening up the floor for a response....

    [–]1023bet [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    Picked on in high school much? Gotta move on someday pal.

    [–]puskas14 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Yes. I was relentlessly bullied by the....theater troupe.....What world do you live in, buddeh?

    My wife was a professional jazz dancer in her early 20s, theater people were part and parcel to that "scene". Any other bad jokes you'd like to make?

    [–]Allergic2ShellFsh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Haha you're a biased cunt. Keep eating them member berries my nigga.

    [–]EmployeeER280652 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

    I would have really liked to hear that the cast of Hamilton invited VPE Pence backstage to voice their concerns to him and actually have a conversation. This just seems like a virtue signal and publicity stunt (not that Hamilton really even needs it).

    Maybe I am approaching this too simply though.

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

    Oh it's a total virtue signal. Full blown ass out lecture with no ability to respond to the charges

    [–]JohnDaffodil [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    Yeah, if only the Vice President-elect of the United States had the ability to make some sort of public statement.

    [–]timmyjj2 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    Why would he do that? The entire act was highly inappropriate to begin with, responding publicly to the attack would only validate it as a way to communicate, which it isn't a valid way to do in the first place.

    [–]ChiefTommyHawk [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Sorry if I come across as rude, but how is it inappropriate? Hamilton is partially known for how diverse the cast is, so it is not shocking that they have issues with some of the stances that Pence has either had in the past and failed to recently comment on, or policies he has recently commented on. They did not interrupt the show, this was at the ending when they normally interact with the audience, and it's not shocking that they wanted to have their voices heard. When would be a better time? I personally don't think Pence would have sat down and talked with them backstage about their concerns, and they exercised their 1st amendment right and explained their concerns in a respectful manner. They didn't berate him, they told the crowd not to boo him, so they understand he had a position that deserves respect, yet somehow that is disrespectful? I just find it humorous that people are getting so mad/surprised that an extremely diverse group of people who have a chance of being affected by this respectfully express their concerns to their VP-elect. They wanted their voices heard and made sure that they couldn't be silenced by doing it on a public stage. I expect downvotes because this isn't what anybody wants to hear, but all they did was exercise their right to free speech and used their platform to express their concerns. It's kinda ironic that people are getting so upset about criticism towards policies and trump demanding an apology. This makes me very interested/concerned to see how he responded when someone actually says criticizing things in a disrespectful manner. I'm not trying to berate anyone either, I am willing to have a civil discussion about this.

    [–]king_famethrowa [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    This is the only person on here making any goddamn sense. The whole incident is just getting overblown by Trump calling for an apology. It's just a bunch of actors respectfully showcasing their 1st Amendment rights over some very justifiable concerns. It's completely innocuous, but it's getting turned into some sort of big left vs. right issue. I may not agree with what they're saying, but I support their right to say it.

    Don't be a hypocrite and say that free speech is bad when it's used in a way that you don't agree with.

    [–]ChiefTommyHawk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Appreciate the response. Nice to be able to disagree about things yet still agree on others and have a polite, adult conversation about things. Have a good rest of the day!

    [–]Pressrewind10 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Isn't it deeply unprofessional to call out one of your patrons?

    This is like the chef coming out of the kitchen to publicly chastise a diner in front of the entire restaurant

    [–]JohnDaffodil [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I didn't say he would or should. I just thought that this:

    with no ability to respond

    was ridiculous.

    [–]Squidsquidsquid1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I love how the liberals don't know how to react to a Republican finally calling out the attacks. He's bringing awareness to the bullshit by calling it out while liberals cry about him being a "cry baby".

    [–]adfootball92 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    He cannot "demand" anything from us. He is a public servant, not supreme leader, a concept he clearly hasn't realized

    [–]ColonelCluster [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    "Pence booed for attending a play about diversity. Called a racist by the diverse cast."

    [–]GlassIce [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    The assholes from Hamilton need to be audited.

    [–]chabanaisStronger than derp [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I love it.

    [–]Mizmata [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    All the big threads in this sub always get filled with your typical liberal reddit bullshit.

    [–]jeff_the_nurse [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Liberals just had to ruin a fun night out for everyone...SMH.