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[–]quantifiably_godlike 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

My issue is just pollution. I hate pollution. I watch a lot of international financial news, and every time they show something in China, I get to look at live shots of what happens when you burn shit-tons of coal. Holy fuck, what nasty looking air those poor fucks are forced to breathe, and they have ridiculous amounts of premature child deaths because of it.. I think we are advanced enough of a species not to have to breathe that shit in everyday. There are parts of the US that are getting pretty bad. I do think the elite are using the effects of pollution to their own means, and we should strive to not be manipulated by them, but for fucks sake, not in the form of continuing to pollute this awesome, rare, jewel-of-a-planet that we are lucky enough to live on. I don't think one has to be a hippie to appreciate this place, especially since it's all we have & we are making it nastier everyday.

[–]SpartanTank[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I fully agree. We actually have sustainable measures available to us to, at the very least, curtail the pollution, e.g. installing electrostatic precipitators in reactor end turbine exhausts (whether the authorities follow through with their implementation is another matter...) . We can do this during our transition to cleaner technologies, and I'm all aboard the train to a better tomorrow.

[–]dfawoehuio 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

How can you feel so sure of yourself when you're literally on the side of industry shills with billions to lose? Did you know the fossil fuels industry you support knew about climate change before most climate scientists and said nothing?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

Did you know that before this enormous agreement on climate science, scientists who decided to pursue the truth had their lives and careers ruined by constant lawsuits by the companies you support?

Let me see, a group of truth-seeking individuals fighting against corporate tyranny vs. the position of industry shills who now invest in dwindling water reserves and seek to undermine scientists with bogus studies and media control.

Only recently did media and politicians actually admit that it even exists so make no mistake, these scientists were true conspiracy theorists who succeeded in getting a message out against the establishment and of course you want to shit all over them.

By the way, Carbon Tax isn't the solution suggested by climate scientists, it's the non-solution suggested by shitty politicians. You also mentioned Climategate, which is an absolute joke 'controversy' where some Scientists in a large discussion wanted to use PR to convince people that climate change is real and to get everyone using the same terminology.

Luckily instead of intentionally seeking people out to confirm your bias...

I'm honestly surprised this that this sub appears to have a majority of people who think Anthropogenic Climate Change is real... Really, people?

You can do the right thing and question scientists at length about your theories. There are still plenty of science redditors and lecturers willing to waste their personal time explaining their view.

[–]SpartanTank[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your mentality reminds me of Clinton supporters.

"oh you think Clinton is a war criminal, a two faced liar and a cheat? You must be a trump supporter"

"oh you think the theory of anthropogenic climate change is unreliable and that the scientists pushing toward it are all liars? You must be a fossil fuel lover"

Do you guys even listen to yourselves? How the fuck did you gloss over my last two paragraphs, where I stated unequivocally that a step toward technologies which will reduce our reliance on fossil fuels is a great one??

[–]NotNowImOnReddit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

To be fair, your entire post only presents one side of the argument, and it is the same argument that the fossil fuel industry are making. I'm not accusing you of being a shill, I'm just left wondering why you're choosing to present their side of the argument.

If you had presented full research on every side of the argument instead of "heard it from my friend who's into Astrophysics, just sayin...", then people may be more inclined to take you seriously.

Also, your condescending tone isn't helping your case, at all.

[–]mrevil_tx 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well said! Thank you for putting this together in a single thread.

[–]ParanoidFactoid 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I'll stick with the climate scientists on this one. I've known a few. They're not lying.

[–]SpartanTank[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I presented you plenty of evidence showing how divided the scientific community truly is on this matter. Nice job completely ignoring it.

If you're still interested, please go through the video link of Dr. Judith Curry I posted in the OP. She articulates this division perfectly.

[–]Mrexreturns 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Totally agreed. Once made a post about that and the tomfoolery of the people is SHOCKING.

[–]SpartanTank[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are equating me to a fossil fuels lover. It's like they just gloss over my last 2 paragraphs.

[–]gregatron123 3ポイント4ポイント  (18子コメント)

So you think its real or not?

[–]KnightBeforeTomorrow 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

The atmosphere is being manipulated.Conditions are being manufactured.

[–]gregatron123 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree because humans burning fossil fuels

[–]KnightBeforeTomorrow 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thats hardly what I meant. The Albido, or reflectivity of the earth is being manipulated, ostensibly to make the earth reflect more sunlight by adding nano scale aluminum particles to the air such particles are called alumina. The practice does not work because such particles are not reflective, They're essentially dull grey. Those particles , rather than cooling the earth just heat up in the sun causing warming instead.

This manipulation can be increased or decreased at will.

Over the Rainbow: Aerosols, Atmospheric Alteration, Aluminum and Alzheimer's Connecting Aluminum in contrails/chemtrails to Alzheimer's disease.How and Why Chemtrails are Made : Documentary on the Conspiracy of Chemtrails

http://primarysources.newsvine.com/_news/2011/01/02/5745854-over-the-rainbow-aerosols-atmospheric-alteration-aluminum-and-alzheimers

New Study: Alzheimer’s & Aluminum Link Can No Longer be Ignored http://www.healthyfoodhouse.com/new-study-alzheimers-aluminum-link-can-no-longer-be-ignored/

Nuclear Chemist Publishes Paper Detailing: “Aluminum Poisoning of Humanity via Geoengineering”

http://wakingscience.com/2016/03/nuclear-chemist-publishes-paper-detailing-aluminum-poisoning-of-humanity-via-geoengineering/

This has caused Alzheimer's disease to suddenly become the number three killer of Americans at this point.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-study-ranks-alzheimers-as-third-leading-cause-of-death-after-heart-disease-and-cancer/2014/03/05/8097a452-a48a-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

[–]gregatron123 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

there's many things poisoning us in the atmosphere

[–]SpartanTank[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

Goddamn it, I regret using those words in the topic... Should have phrased it along the lines of "... majority believe in the mainstream narrative surrounding anthropogenic climate change..." or something...

[–]gregatron123 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

So your in the denial camp?

[–]SpartanTank[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

My position isn't black and white.

Do I believe the climate changes? Yes, it's a natural process.

Do I believe that man is accelerating it? I'm open to the idea, but the data presented by the leading climatologists in favor of this position has been appalling, to say the least.

[–]honkimon -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude you misjudge this subreddit. We pick things apart and make our decisions based on research. Before the Trump Surge anyways. There is tangible evidence that earth is heating up and the sea level is rising. There is massive amounts of research funded by oil conglomerates convolution data and there is certainly bad research on the side for "climate change" but put it all aside and look at Bangladesh. Look at the sea level rising and literally affecting millions of people. I am against coal but I know it's a necessary evil. You late stage capitalism society is all about immediate gratification and cheap everything. Right now its so shoe horned into the corruption of our gov't that we are told that renewable energy is bad. That is complete fucking bullshit. Renewable energy is an investment for the future generations of this country and the climate debate stifles any talk of that keeping us at each others throats.

Regardless of what you believe, if we aren't going to take the reputable climate data seriously and do our part to reduce the shit we do that damages our environment; at least create massive-scale projects (remember the hoover dam) which reinforces and shores up areas that have the potential to be impacted the most by a rising sea level.

[–]lordbananafist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you believe in littering? Is littering bad?

[–]gregatron123 -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ok think have to trust general consensus of climate scientists imo. i can't understand why they would lie. If you wanna debate scientific theory your in wrong sub.

[–]Tootenbacher 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

Consensus does not work in science. Think of the black swan.

[–]gregatron123 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Until you can prove it with repeatable experiments consensus holds alot of weight.

[–]Tootenbacher 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ask Gallileo about that.

[–]gregatron123 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Galileo pioneered the scientific method before Galileo science relied on reason alone . Galileo brought a evidence based approach to science its unfair to use Galileo as a example of scientific failing because before him it didn't really exist the way it does now. It took time for his theory to be accepted as it was heretical and punishable buy death from the church. So not many were willing to say they were in agreement with his theory . Unless you were a bad ass like newton and put the smack down with some srs maths which he did, then it was accepted as fact.

[–]SpartanTank[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You talk about consensus, I just disproved in my OP that there was no such consensus to begin with. That argument flies out the window.

[–]gregatron123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't have to science pc talk to me i ain't no college boy and i accept broad sweeping generalizations

[–]JoBloggs1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent post thanks.

[–]Tootenbacher 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for this post.

[–]Theres_A_FAP_4_That [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Honestly, i don't know what to believe... I can make a fancy web page, have a picture of one polar bear, have some graphs, and say that there are only a few polar bears left. No one can prove me wrong unless they went and counted themselves.

So, OP, are you saying that the coral reefs are not in trouble? I think the biggest issue is litter, our garbage, waste.. what are we doing with it all.

I agree that climate change is overblown as to how much influence we have, but i still think we humans are fucking ourselves for generations to come.

[–]Waddawot -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's another shill, not another damn stupid shill coughing spurting oil trying to get richer from it, those veins are simply bleeding it out of their every pour intoxicating the rest of us and this planet its oceans, wildlife, and you name it is dying. He is trying to make us go and use even more of it, and all the rest of its products. We have had far better innovations that had been hushed and restricted for the last 70 years because there is more money and more conflict from oil. Ever churning out even more greed. Those microbeads petrochems are in almost every product having a direct consequence on us and the environment taking out their toll. Just how belligerently ignorant can people actually be. Ever since that black icky stuff had come about, this planet has declined so much more rapidly. And this has got to change for everyone, not because other industry gains, but because fossil fuels are cancer and there is climate change every nation except this shill has verified it. Renewable sources like this planet's, wind, the sun, water, gravity, and magnetism, can change the drastic climate affects of these shills mistakes.

But we get some ignorant nazi making a topic like this using his neo nazi discredited propaganda promoting what agenda isn't it obvious. He probably doesn't even know what is benefiting from this, that oil being smeared all over our eyes, and look at that tank he is driving, destroying everything else.

Where is the conspiracy people isn't it obvious, fossil fuels are the direct cause, and this shill is only out trying to cause that oil too benefit even more by powering up his ride along.

[–]SpartanTank[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nice job, calling me a shill. And an even better job glossing over what I said in the end, "Stopping pollution is a great idea. Advancing forward from dependency on fossil fuels has fantastic prospects."

You think non-renewable technologies are clean? Wind Turbines kill more than 600,000 bats every year

Does that mean we should stop using wind power? No, we should try to improve it. We can do the same thing with fossil fuels as well, but that transition will be very slow. Then again, you'll gloss over this completely like you did my post.

[–]Waddawot -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

You are a shill gullibly promoting oil, even if presumably unintentional. The climate has changed the oceans have acidified. The Great Barrier reef is practically dead 90% of it. A natural wonder seen from the moon is dying and almost completely dead. That took tens of thousands of years to form. Rainforests are declining 100s of thousands of acres are being felled and the land is changing to more flight paths, roads, cities, and urbanization. Our atmosphere is swimming in emissions and that carbon level is higher now then it was at when there were the dinosaurs. This year we have probably had the most deaths relating to cancers. Glaciers and permafrost has retreated so rapidly that they won't never come back and the tundra they leave behind belches methane adding more emissions and causing change. Larsen's Ice shelf, the frontal part of the continent Antarctica is going, and it is pulling away from the mainland, but when that goes the rest becomes much more unstable. Hey you can book a holiday cruise to past through Arctic waters where a decade ago you needed an icebreaker. Greenland that ice is going fast and it just doesn't refreeze like every other glacier disappearing in the last 100 years.

Wake up, climate change exists and you are only promoting more Oil here in this topic, and its result affects every ecosystem animal and human causing that change even more rapidly.

Thank you for your attacking votes, every feed you have linked has been nazi propaganda from uncreditable sources churning oil's agenda and wars.

[–]SpartanTank[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I knew you didn't bother to read through everything I shared, which includes proof that our Arctic Ice caps have actually reformed, and that much of the data which was presented to convince us of man-made climate change is heavily altered and flawed.

You sound exactly like a Clinton supporter.

"oh you think Clinton is a war criminal, a two faced liar and a cheat? You must be a trump supporter"

"oh you think the theory of anthropogenic climate change is unreliable and that the scientists pushing toward it are all liars? You must be a fossil fuel lover"

Do you guys even listen to yourselves? How the fuck did you gloss over my last two paragraphs, where I stated unequivocally that a step toward technologies which will reduce our reliance on fossil fuels is a great one??

FYI I don't support trump. Never have, and I never will.

[–]Waddawot -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The icecaps haven't reformed and they aren't reforming. But you must mean that as in much much less because when the ice goes you must think that it compacts into a smaller formation or something? So its okay folk because it has gotten smaller. What is wrong with you. It simply hasn't done on every glacier retreating by 100 of miles, really famous glaciers. Like Larsen Ice Shelf which has miles of a deepening fissured trench spanning across a lot it, as it is breaking away off of the mainland and the thousands of lakes forming on the top of it cracking right to the surface ocean where that ice is melting. Siberia, Greenland, Iceland, Canada, Argentina, and Alaska etc the glaciers are retreating by miles upon miles and no they simply aren't refreezing, and the tundra left behind from the permafrost gone is belching methane adding to climate emissions. Fresh water from this phenomenon adds to ocean acidification, warming sea temperatures killing the reefs. Causing more extreme weather patterns. Some of that rise is also from our wasteful run off and the raw sewage and all of those oceans fills we loved so much pre the 90's, and also the atmospheric emissions, and the increased tectonic movement and fissures often opening up more and more due to increased populational geoscaping and fracking.

I don't need your oh what is wrong with you, why don't you believe mey speech baiting more down votes, because you have linked me some nazi propaganda and its purpose was for churning more of oil's agenda and wars.

I don't care about silly American elections either except for when they affect me and the World that I live in. Hey now the rest of us are all laughing at you, but we are worried that when you break an agreement signed by every nation on this planet agreeing on climate change, what does that make you people?

[–]noobjAb 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

www.wattsupwiththat.com is the best site for honest climate science reporting.

[–]VerdantFuppe -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll stick with the 97% climate scientist consensus.

You are on the same side as professional lobbyists, that before they got into the climate change denying racket, claimed cigarettes didn't cause cancer.

[–]Plz_Pm_Me_Cute_Fish -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Distraction, do not come back to this thread folks, it is a distraction to make you focus on something other than the truly horrific events occurring atm.

[–]SpartanTank[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't realize r/conspiracy had changed to r/whatideemmoreimportant. I'm well aware of the pedophile ring being unearthed, and one of its most ardent and active followers.

[–]factsnotfeelings -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

With every conspiracy, there is always more to it than meets the eye.

In the case of climate change, I don't think the elite are worried about the polar ice caps.

I believe they are worried about the ice attached to the glass sky in the atmosphere.

Have you heard of Megacryometeors? They are big chunks of ice that fall to the ground every so often and they have become more and more commonplace since the 50s.

This paper discusses the increasing problem of megacryometeors. Go to the last paragraph on the last page.

The emissions are heating the upper atmosphere and they are worried about the ice on the glass dome/sky melting.

If a large chunk of ice fell to earth and landed in an urban area, it could result in many fatalities.