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Government‘Go back to India b*tch:’ Seattle councilwoman threatened for encouraging Trump protest (q13fox.com)

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[–]PressTilty 65ポイント66ポイント  (4子コメント)

Whew, if you're just opening this thread, don't bother scrolling down. The comments are Times-levels of awful

[–]EineBeBoPSeaTac 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good gods, why didn't I listen?

[–]_YouDontKnowMe_Madrona 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well now I'm curious.

[–]qwazzy92Banned from /r/Seattle 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Times-levels of awful

Phew. Thanks for the warning!

[–]music4mic 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

AND REMEMBER KIDS, DO NOT LOOK AT THE SUN, NO MATTER WHAT!

MY EYES, MY RETINAS, THEY ARE ... BURNT TO A CRISP!

[–]PostScience 111ポイント112ポイント  (9子コメント)

Well it was a nice subreddit while it lasted. I don't mean to post another negative comment, but can't we all just get along? So many people on this subreddit insult those who don't agree with them. And the insults get upvotes! At least pictures of sunsets didn't make me think worse of our community. Seattle is such a wonderful place. Let's don't eat shit on our subreddit.

[–]Cataclyst 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think people are just upset. There is a lot of discussion, still. Kinda. This is a very strange reality to me.

[–]SnarkMasterRay 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upset doesn't give you a pass to be an asshole. Passion is good, but if people let it rule them we will not advance and we will not be able to maintain what we have had in the past.

[–]charlesgrodinfanQueen Anne[M] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the insults get upvotes!

Please report any comments violating this sub's rules

[–]Yangoose 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've lived in this area pretty much my whole life and I don't know anyone IRL that's as toxic as the people in this subreddit.

[–]_YouDontKnowMe_Madrona 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Seattle is a wonderful place.

It's all the people that ruin it.

[–]DeadPrateRoberts 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's really not even clever. Seattle is the people, so how can it be wonderful in the first place if it's made up of ruinous people? Ruinous people would make for a ruinous city.

[–]days-to-come 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm just here for the scenery, beer, and weed, man.

[–]conspiracy_theorem 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

*was. Maybe we need a wall. California isn't sending it's best people. It's sending bros and techies.

[–]Morzas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Can't we all just get along?" is an important question. Why can't we? Now more than ever, we have to think about why we can't, and with real curiosity.

[–]Schloopish 34ポイント35ポイント  (9子コメント)

Sigh.

With all the legit criticisms of Sawant, this makes the headlines.

Yes, there are racists, but there are also people like me who have no problem with immigration or Socialism but can't stand her policies or governance. Bleh.

[–]MrsWhatsit-75Seattle 55ポイント56ポイント  (51子コメント)

I am sorry I voted for Sawant, but I am interested to learn the results of the investigation into these threats. Is this under Seattle police jurisdiction?

[–]Cosmo-DNA 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes, the same SPD she wants to defend

[–]sensory_overlord 115ポイント116ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, the same SPD she wants to defend

You meant defund, right?

[–]CaptainMulligan 65ポイント66ポイント  (1子コメント)

"You aren't allowed to criticize SPD since they are supposed to provide a service you might need at some point (even though you pay for it)."

[–]Kontora 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are a nation of immigrants, the only people who have a right to say "Go back to your country!" are Native Americans, which I never heard them say but then again they're not racist assholes.

[–]seattletotemsBelltown[🍰] 53ポイント54ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just want her out of office. Dang, I wish people wouldn't be such dicks.

[–]Ouiju 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same. Vote her OUT same with all the other councilpeople.

[–]elister 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont get her. She promoted the Never Hillary movement, only to get upset when Trump actually won, now promoting Not My President. This is the best socialism in the state can offer? What an embarrassment.

[–]ChefJoe98136West Seattle 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well, making a big deal of a few deranged threats was great for national PR when it was angry Sonics/Arena fans. Maybe it even worked, considering Hansen no longer wants city bonds involved.

[–]TheRealRacketear 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

People make death threats towards Doug Baldwin and he's a really good Seahawks player.

[–]ChefJoe98136West Seattle 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've gotten death threats for being against Hansen's arena... I figure some people make death threats like reddit-ers downvote things they disagree with. - some people abuse feedback/communication tools and 99.99% of them are baseless

[–]TrueBlueTwelve -8ポイント-7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fuck off and die.

[–]AmericanDerpBrougham Faithful[M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck off and die.

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[–]zman990 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm thinking people missed your joke...either that or they're critics and they're not a fan

[–]FiyeroTigelaar895 24ポイント25ポイント  (15子コメント)

That's just rude. But i don't agree with encouraging the useless protests either

[–]jackchit 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Protesting Trump isn't useless. From a strategic perspective, protesting is supposed to disrupt and generate a clear sense of unrest and displeasure to leadership in power. In democracies, it's as useful to communicate lack of support as a poll or other quiter methods. Disruption makes news, and news raises hackles. If you don't think Trump cares about the news, you haven't been paying attention.

More importantly, protests aren't always strategic, and don't need to be. Sometimes people are fucking pissed off and will shout in the street with their fellow citizens because they're pissed off. That is as good a reason as any to protest, and it does raise eyebrows, and if it's big enough, makes people in power worried. The value is in a shared opinion that is vocal. It doesn't really matter if that opinion was crafted by a marketing team and funded by millions of dollars, or was a natural growth of unease coalescing into a grassroots movement. We might prefer the latter's authenticity (and simultaneously vilify their "lack of organized and coherent message"), but it doesn't really matter. The shared complaint has power when voiced in a massive group.

That's the point. It is a different world we live in where the idea behind protest has been so lost to history that we don't even know what it's for, or why (or how) it can be effective in making change. It's sad we've lost that it's even a reflection on genuine anger, disgust, and frustration. Makes me both happy and sad, really. On one level, we don't see that much protest because things just aren't that bad. On the other, some of our grandparents and parents' generation died in protest. Sad to lose the rationale behind causes worth sacrificing your life for in the face of police brutality, racism, sexism, and hatred.

Today's protests in the USA are more likely going to be about maintaining the progress we've made in securing additional rights, protections, and more importantly, cultural acceptance of concepts of equality and support for the underserved. That is what is being communicated now in protests against Trump.

[–]FiyeroTigelaar895 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Protests in general are not useless. These protests in particular are useless. Not going to change a thing without some other useful actions following them.

[–]Morzas 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

You cannot predict the future. Most predictions of the future, I've observed, are actually a projection of the predictor's beliefs.

You are saying, "I don't want change."

[–]FiyeroTigelaar895 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What I'm saying is "complaining isn't going to get you anywhere. Do something useful with your time if you want change"

[–]Morzas 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If people are protesting, something is wrong. So, what is wrong in America right now?

[–]FiyeroTigelaar895 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A lot. Calling for protests and a national shutdown (for even just a day) will do more harm than good. Unless the goal is really just to divide the country even more.

[–]Ouiju 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is funny to see people believing anything in the media anymore after being so wrong before the election. I literally can't trust anything they say anymore. They were completely wrong about everything.

[–]HunterSTolkien 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course they were. Hunter Thompson was the last honest journalist and he wasn't even a journalist.

[–]mk262mod1 -83ポイント-82ポイント  (58子コメント)

FAAAAAAAAKE

Why are all of these supposed hate crimes happening in blue states? At this point, and given how much of a drama queen Sawant is, I'm assuming these are fake until they arrest someone. She's just jumping on the bandwagon.

[–]hauntedfox 67ポイント68ポイント  (15子コメント)

Why are all of these supposed hate crimes happening in blue states?

What?? Why is this so hard to believe? Even very blue states have large red streaks. Read the comment sections for the Times, you'll see shit like this and worse. Really sick of people just yelling FALSE FLAG at everything they refuse to believe.

[–]princesskarma 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. In fact, most "blue" states are only blue because of one or two metropolitan area-- the majority of land (as depicted on electoral maps) is red in every state except for like, Massachussetts.

[–]oldannyboy 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I always like to read the Times comments for my daily dose of racism from baby boomers.

[–]Errk_fu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't feed the trolls man.

[–]-NoobGainz- 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean I was verbally screamed at and had trash thrown at me just on Saturday for having a Bernie sticker on my car. We have assholes here too, as you well know.

[–]Kazan 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

Because they're not

Try actually knowing what the fuck you're talking about

[–]mk262mod1 -11ポイント-10ポイント  (6子コメント)

Rofl the SPLC. There's a reason the FBI de-listed them in 2014. "Firm that makes money off of Polio vaccine sounds alarm bells about the dangers of a resurgence of Polio."

SPLC Co-founder Morris Dees’ business partner, Millard Fuller:

Morris and I, from the first day of our partnership, shared the overriding purpose of making a pile of money. We were not particular about how we did it; we just wanted to be independently rich. During the eight years we worked together, we never wavered in that resolve.

https://harpers.org/blog/2010/03/hate-immigration-and-the-southern-poverty-law-center/ http://harpers.org/blog/2007/11/the-southern-poverty-business-model/ http://www.thesocialcontract.com/answering_our_critics/art2003dec16b.html http://www.guidestar.org/findocuments/2014/630/598/2014-630598743-0b1b69e5-9.pdf http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/140983/smearing-conservatives-raking-cash-matthew-vadum http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/03/southern-povery-law-centers-poverty.html http://www.weeklystandard.com/king-fearmongers/article/714573?page=2

[–]Kazan 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

OK you're officially a nutbag

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[–]rattus 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

But this is what he does all day long here; he attacks people and then spams mods with reasons for only he can attack people and how we're not helping him attack people.

His reaction to a referenced argument is to call people a nutbag.

Criticisms of the SPLC being edgy was many years ago.

[–]PresidentCleveland 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Criticisms of the SPLC being edgy was many years ago.

What?

[–]mk262mod1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I forgot that Harpers Weekly was a division of Breitbart, apologies.

[–]PresidentCleveland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What did they say that was incorrect?

[–]DenialGeneFremont 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

No fake. No fake. You're the faker.

[–]Miztahfrawg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you're the fake hedgehog around here.

[–]its_freiday 19ポイント20ポイント  (27子コメント)

Maybe it's because more people in blue states are making sure these events are brought to the attention of media.

Maybe it's because there's more large population centers in blue states and thus more likelyhood to happen there.

Or you know, maybe hundreds of reports are being made up and faked and all this violence and hate rhetoric is just a conspiracy theory... insert Kermit drinking tea meme

[–]mk262mod1 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (26子コメント)

The violence seems to be on the left these days...

[–]Kazan 14ポイント15ポイント  (24子コメント)

Except its not according to observed reality.

No your "feelings" don't supersede reality.

[–]meepmoopmope 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No your "feelings" don't supersede reality.

I mean, you can say that, but Gingrich's ideology that feelings supersede reality has taken him all the way to a top level cabinet position.

[–]mk262mod1 3ポイント4ポイント  (22子コメント)

I missed the riots with all of the guys in red hats.

[–]Furt_Wigglepants_II 9ポイント10ポイント  (21子コメント)

You mean the near daily thread on T_D calling for a revolution if they didn't win?

[–]mk262mod1 7ポイント8ポイント  (20子コメント)

Joke threads vs. people causing a million dollars of damage in Portland? Oh yes sir those are equivalent.

[–]cellomade-of-flowers 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

In what world can people take your claims seriously when you stretch an estimate of 1 million dollars in property damage to "millions"? Oh yes sir, 1 million dollars in damage is equivalent to """millions""" http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/11/anti-trump_protest_leaders_den.html

Wow, in the same article you see protest organizers apologizing for the damage, denouncing people who engage in destruction of property, and starting a fundraiser to help pay for damages!

http://www.kptv.com/story/33686813/portland-protest-groups-set-sights-on-cleanup-after-late-night-riot And engage in hands-on clean-up after the protests!

Wow, that sure paints a different picture than millions upon millions in public property damage which those evil protesters are totally cool with.

*edit for forgetting a word

[–]mk262mod1 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can wait until this guy is DHS Secretary: https://twitter.com/SheriffClarke/status/797275978691026944

Getting arrested by Nat Guard into Fed custody is a whole other ballgame. 18 U.S. Code § 2101 charges ahoy.

[–]cellomade-of-flowers 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

God, that would be so incisive if only I was interested in your emotional responses to things

[–]Bazingabowl 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

You mean the damaged cause by a small group of anarchists unaffiliated and disavowed by the peaceful protesters? Even the Portland Police called out it wasn't the protesters causing the damage, and that the protests were peaceful. Sorry if that doesn't fit your false narrative.

[–]mk262mod1 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

  • small number of people

  • a million dollars in damage and over a hundred arrested

Yup that makes sense.

[–]Bazingabowl 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

When the group as a whole was around 4,500 people each night, but only 25 were arrested out of that, yes. That's small.

Here, let's do the math. That's 18,000 total protesters and 100 arrested. That's less than 1%. You then have to assume that every single one of those 100 arrested were causing damage. We're talking .6% of the protesters, tops, were causing damage.

Source: https://www.koin.com/2016/11/11/riot-cleanup-begins-more-planned/amp/

[–]MAGA_WA -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was an out of control mob. The more bullshit these soros plants stir up the more peoe will turn the other way when they are dealt with.

[–]princesskarma 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

Oh come on. Let's not act like there weren't protests after Obama's election. (And let's not act like racists accepted his election either. They spent 8 years calling him n*****, questioning his birth, and even conspiring that he was secretly Bin Laden.)

[–]mk262mod1 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

And the same people who were calling those protests unacceptable 4 and 8 years ago are now out in the streets.

[–]cellomade-of-flowers 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep, people had a right to protest Barack Obama being elected, so why whine about people protesting now? Is it the property damage? Well shoot, organizers have already denounced that and started raising money and rebuilding destroyed properties themselves.

Maybe it's weird, but it seems like there MIGHT be a difference between protesting against:

A man caught on tape bragging about sexual assault; mocking the disabled; calling Mexican immigrants rapists; is endorsed by a former KKK leader; appointing an adviser that white supremacists openly cheer for; publicly hated/denounced by multiple leaders of the US's traditional allies; calls for a ban on Muslims entering the US; plans to deport the children of illegal immigrants (whoops, that's actually illegal too!!); denounces global warming as a hoax and appoints climate change deniers to his cabinet; oh! Oh and bait-and-switches his voters on many of his core platform topics hours after the election ends....woof. Is that enough?

vs.

Well. Obama's black, right? A Muslim, right? Whoops, that wasn't true. Not born in the US? Shit, that wasn't true either. It could never be that some people protested because he was black, no never.

But yeah no, the motivations for those protests were totally the same and that definitely wasn't a false equivalency at all. Nope, no way.

[–]PNWQuakesFanColumbia City 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The burden of proof is on you to show that people were calling antiObama protests 4 and 8 years ago unacceptable.

You had sources for your SPLC claim. So keep that up.

[–]Geldan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you point me to examples of protests after Obama's election? I haven't been able to find info. So far this is all I have found which indicates that there weren't protests, and hardly ever have been just in response to an election. http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/33795/previous-examples-of-large-scale-protests-after-presidential-elections-in-us

[–]Furt_Wigglepants_II -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/donald-trump-voters.html

[–]mk262mod1 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Annnnd who is actually doing something to cause damage right now? You're conflating some random guys in a country of 300 million from a NYT article with mass protests and riots that are happening in reality.

[–]Furt_Wigglepants_II 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm telling you that to discredit one side for following through and to ignore the other for not if only because of circumstance isn't an honest opinion. You're trying to tell me that your opinion is based on fact? No that is personal bias.

[–]spellingchallangedFremont 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right side has its fair share.

Like this guy in Iowa who killed 2 police officers because he wants the right to fly the confederate flag in the faces of black people: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37845679

[–]snapshotistBelltown 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here's one that fits your narrow requirement of truth.

The hate crimes are real in spite of your denial.

[–]mk262mod1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's one

"currently at San Francisco General Hospital undergoing psychiatric evaluation" lol, definitely not a crazy person.

Let's go one for one. http://abc7chicago.com/news/trump-supporter-beaten-on-west-side-explains-why-he-didnt-fight-back/1607016/

I bet you will run out of violence committed by Trump supporters before I run out of instances of violence against them.

[–]barf_the_mog 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

have you ever left seattle?