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[–]NoBreaksTrumpTrain 150ポイント151ポイント  (14子コメント)

Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police said they have arrested Dajion Tanner, 18, Destiny Dagraca, 18, and a 15-year-old boy in connection to the incident. The 15-year-old was not named because of his age, a spokesperson said. Tanner and Dagraca are in the Mecklenburg County jail on charges ranging from attempted murder to kidnapping.

Folks never name your kid Destiny, seems like a good way to have destiny shit on your kid.

[–]goatcoat 52ポイント53ポイント  (6子コメント)

I heard Destiny's child didn't turn out so bad, though.

[–]MultipleCrygasm 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but as far as DLC goes it could be better

[–]losthalo7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Faith, Chastity... they're all a crapshoot.

[–]L_Cranston_Shadow 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what you name your daughter if you want her to be employee of the month... at her strip club.

[–]an_internet_denizen 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dagraca? What is that?

[–]yougottasliceitright 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like some sort of last name or something.

[–]spockspeare 106ポイント107ポイント  (55子コメント)

TIL North Carolina does not protect gay or trans people under hate-crime laws.

[–]GLodd7 32ポイント33ポイント  (10子コメント)

They should still be up under assault or attempted murder.

[–]spockspeare 21ポイント22ポイント  (9子コメント)

True. But hate-crime charge is aggravating and makes sentences longer.

[–]argv_minus_one 27ポイント28ポイント  (7子コメント)

Does attempted freakin' murder not carry a lengthy sentence already?

[–]Givemeawayoutofhere 50ポイント51ポイント  (4子コメント)

No. We're too busy jailing people for marijuana possession so that we can justify an entire worthless, ass-fucking federal agency's existence.

[–]admronoc 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It'll probably plead down to aggravated assault with a few months in jail for a first time offender. Although in this case maybe some time in a mental ward.

[–]ImportantOpinions 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I recommend you not look into the stats if you want to have a good week. 3rd strike drug offenders are the worst criminals according to conviction rates.

[–]GLodd7 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh I totally think they should be charged for this as well.

[–]waterbuffalo750 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think most places are like that. It wasn't part of the civil rights act.

[–]spockspeare 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

Federal law covers it.

[–]waterbuffalo750 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, yup, right there in the article. My bad.

[–]BlatantConservative 1ポイント2ポイント  (18子コメント)

I think its a bit more nuanced than that. Like, its alreadly clearly illegal to hunt humans with a hatchet, do you really need an additional law making sure that they serve life in prison when they're already gonna serve life in prison?

[–]electricmink 45ポイント46ポイント  (12子コメント)

The whole point of hate crime laws is to take into account the intent to terrorize a whole population through your crime - it's not just chasing down a random person with a hatchet (which is bad enough), it's selecting a target from an historically maligned minority explicitly to send a message to all members of that group they will never be safe or accepted.

That warrant some extra jail time.

[–]dicaparly [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

intent to terrorize a whole population through your crime

That's called "terrorism" and is already part of the penal code. And even so, crime is about actions, not intent. When a person commits an act, their intent should matter when determining the harshness of the punishment, but reserving an entire section of the penal code to criminalizing intent without regard to what action was taken is pretty dangerous to civil liberty.

[–]Jbliu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Umm, manslaughter vs homicide?

Intent is very relevant.

[–]Ragnalypse 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty sure it's only aimed at punishing the "haters". You could only commit the crime because you hate the group and not even explain why you committed the crime but if it was dug up during an investigation, you could be charged with the hate crime.

[–]spockspeare 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

If you start thinking like that, you can reduce the entire constitution and all laws down to "Anyone who does anything bad goes to jail for life." But that's clearly not sufficient to make the punishment fit the crime in any given case.

So the law has all sorts of different categories of bad, and combines them in various ways to produce multiple charges for the same act.

And yes, hate crime is an aggravation on assault. They probably won't be sentenced for life for an assault like this. Probably not even with the hate charge added on. But they will get more than if they had not used the "hate" as part of their reason for attacking their victim. (Edit: although not in North Carolina, if the federal law is for some reason not applied; it's complicated, too.)

[–]badgersprite 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

As another example, it's like the difference between killing a bunch of people because you want to kill a bunch of people and killing a bunch of people because you're a terrorist. Intent matters.

[–]HALL9000ish -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why does it mater if you are a serial killer or a terrorist? Unless you use the logic that the terrorist wants to bring town western society, and thus should be sentenced for the attempted murder of about a billion people, arnt both crimes basically equal? Both kill people without good reason. 20 years X death toll + injuries and financial dammage.

[–]quietestdreamer 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

One is an isolated incident, the other cannot be quelled by eliminating the one person, it's called terrorism for a reason. After a terror attack, which is a much more dramatic event than a series of killings over time, that are discovered later, the community will be shaken and afraid of more attacks to come, and the ideology will weigh on them, as opposed to simply dismissing one madman. In a similar vein, a hate crime is important to distinguish from other crimes.

[–]Wswanson001 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just an honest question, but if it's a crime at the federal level, why bother having it at the state level too?

[–]Kramer_rulez -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

There is no hate crime charges in NC

[–]spockspeare 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

"N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-3 (2010)—Enhances punishment for offenses committed because of victim’s race, color, religion, nationality, or country of origin."

This long PDF has a couple of related laws for NC, plus all other states.

[–]Kramer_rulez -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

We have "racial intimation"

[–]spockspeare 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean "intimidation"? That is different from assault.

NC does have hate crime statutes. Check the link I included.

[–]Rtreesaccount420 31ポイント32ポイント  (14子コメント)

hope they enjoy prison!

[–]dey3y3 7ポイント8ポイント  (13子コメント)

the perps are black, unfortunately they can't and won't be tried for bigotry or hate crimes by this administration's civil rights division.

[–]antaran 65ポイント66ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because the justice system is known to treat blacks lightly.

[–]chunkosauruswrex 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

When it comes to hate crimes they are

[–]gonnabearealdentist [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Probably because NC doesn't even have laws that protect gay or trans people under hate-crime laws.

[–]0daydream [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

NC cant really stop a federal hate crime prosecution I think

edit: it looks like they do have hate crime laws just not about sexual preference http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/pdf/bychapter/chapter_14.pdf if you ctrl-f "race" you will see it looks like a bunch of misdemeanors get bumped up to class 1 if its a hate crime based on race, color, creed, or nation of origin. Nothing about sexual preference.

[–]FlyHarvey 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

this has absolutely nothing to do with race though. it's an lbgt issue, and NC has repeatedly shown it doesn't care about that community

[–]danny841 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

I want to live in this magical dream world where Black people get off lightly for crimes. Tell me, where is it?

[–]Desert_Power -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Detroit. Oakland. Chiraq. South Africa. Trenton.

If charged, then the charges are not light, however, once they take over, the law is simply gone.

Go there and live free.

[–]gonnabearealdentist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Probably because NC doesn't even have laws that protect gay or trans people under hate-crimes.

That would make it real tough for the civil rights division to charge them with a hate crime.

Great job trying to spin your narrative into this only to show how fucking hard it is to be LGBT in this country still.

[–]AnonymousMaleZero [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well that and NC doesn't allow gay and transgender into the hate crimes sphere of punishment.

[–]TristyThrowaway [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol did you just blame Obama for a decision by the state of North Carolina that hasn't even been made yet? Impressive

[–]lacrosse- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Reddit: where we never skip a beat to insult black people

[–]Kbdiggity 31ポイント32ポイント  (13子コメント)

I live in Charlotte. Clanton Road is one of the worst parts of the city. It honestly doesn't matter what you look like or identify as... they will rob your ass and assault you on Clanton Road.

[–]thirdeyeherbivore 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is pretty accurate. May not have been a direct hate crime. Still fucked up regardless.

[–]Kbdiggity 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh absolutely... still very fucked up.

Just wanted to provide context about Clanton Road.

[–]thirdeyeherbivore 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Definitely! Glad some locals are checking in.

[–]cryptics [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Have you ever hung out there? Or are these your drive-by observations?

[–]Desert_Power -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Using just one simple word, what do most people there have in common? (Rhetorical question)

[–]fBosko [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You know your media is fucked when your first thought is, "Oh god I hope the attackers were black so they can't blame Trump."

[–]NothinButKn8 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

That is so sad. I really hope she recovers as much as one could from something like this. The kids who did it need to be taught a hard lesson you're not going to get away with this nonsense.

[–]runfromthemasses [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You realize they tried to kill her and stabbed her several times?

[–]NothinButKn8 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah...that is why they need to be locked up for a long ass time. That is some scary shit they don't deserve freedom until we know they are not going to hurt anyone else. Since there is no way to guarantee this put them away for the foreseeable future. What was it about my comment that made you think I did not understand that?

[–]T0DDTHEGOD [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Inb4 someone blames Trump for this.

[–]gameofthrombosis 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

Living as a transgender in North Carolina yeouch

[–]CuddlesMcHuggy -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, I'd rather just toss acid on myself than live in NC as a trans.

[–]annoyingrelative 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Transgender folk in NC might be safer wearing Clown Masks.

[–]GOTaSMALL1 28ポイント29ポイント  (8子コメント)

So... since the kids were black... how does this get covered by the MSNBC types in the Country?

[–]SOL-Cantus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still assault with a deadly weapon, still a hate crime. Who perpetrated it doesn't really matter as long as it boils down to that.

Now how about we talk through why a bunch of kids might have been taught to feel the need to assault a trans person? Oh...that's not going to get covered by conservative media is it?

[–]CountVonVague 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

gotta love all these red crosses

[–]TheScamr -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some white person told them to do it, duh.

[–]HotJupiter74 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

waaiiit a minute...these attackers aren't white men...wtf is going on here?

[–]Spokker 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

I was banned from r/bestof for saying that statistically, a transgender person is most likely to be killed by a black person in the ghetto, not whitey.

[–]ghostfox1_gfaqs [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Or that black people have, on average, the lowest opinion of gay/trans people. Why? I have no idea. But it was a pew poll from a few years ago. Maybe 2010?

[–]thebigtodo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because they also have the lowest opinion of gay people as well?

Because the black community is extremely homophobic?

[–]you_are_the_product 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow talk about fucking animals.

[–]hatsolotl 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the fuck humanity

[–]carelessfacepush 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

With limited information it would appear that the title is misleading. She was likely attacked for monetary gain. The fact that she identifies as transgender would be secondary in the criminals opportunity analysis.

[–]ghostfox1_gfaqs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm completely shocked that the media would intentionally stir up shit. Totally and completely shocked.

[–]_MrMeseeks 6ポイント7ポイント  (16子コメント)

Better have stricter hatchet laws, I mean it's not right that anyone can just buy something so dangerous. I hear there's an even deadlier variation called an ax in the early 80's there was a mass ax attack up in new Jersey. I think It was around Sussex . I'm sure someone could find the link. Anyway they haven't done anything about restricting hatchets nor the more deadly variant the "ax". There should really be some sort of common hatchet/ax laws put in place.

Edit: sarcasm and Friday the 13th reference because people continue to disappoint

[–]waiting_for_rain 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

California considers pretty much any hand tool an assault hatchet

[–]TheScamr 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

My dick is a hand tool. I certainly wouldn't associate it with a hatchet.

[–]Abstrusity 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Math adds up. You with your assault hatchet, her with her axe wound.

Open and shut case.

Book 'em, Danno.

[–]willwurkforbitcoins 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

I just don't understand the need to have a hatchet with a polymer shaft. Only fire fighters should have those because... Training...and....stuff

[–]Deathoftheages -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yes equate an assault with a hatchet that didn't even end with death to guns which were involved with how many violent deaths this year's again?

[–]sosota 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

But nobody is trying to ban guns remember? They only want to ban dangerous "assault rifles". Those being a subset of all rifles means ....give me a sec... ok got it: less than people killed with bare hands and feet.

[–]CptNasty 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah but the bare hands and feet lobby has nothing on the NRA in Washington.

[–]sosota [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The NRA has nothing on Bloomberg and company, who've outspent the NRA more than 5 to 1 since Sandy Hook.

[–]HALL9000ish 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, even in the UK you can't just ban all guns because of farmers and shit. But you can ban basically everything a farmer hasn't got a use for, or at least severely restrict it.

The only flaw in gun regulations people try and impose on America is that for some stupid reason they don't touch pistols, which is kind of like trying to stop people keeping track of the time by banning every timepiece apart from watches.

[–]o0flatCircle0o -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh the logic leaps it takes to be a right winger

[–]imgladisaidit 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

hell,, I'm liberal as fuck all,, and I'm fairly certain that the assault weapon idea is malarkey. The only thing in favor of getting rid of them is that idiots think they look tactical and mean, so they might pick one of those instead of a standard rifle of the same caliber.

besides, I'm a constitutional liberal. I hold the core values of certain inalienable rights to be self evident. I include the original bill of rights in that overarching umbrella of "don't screw with these". a liberal with a gun is much harder to strip of their rights than one without them (on the small scale, we're all screwed on the big scale).

damn, I remember back in the day when gay rights weren't even a factor in the public mind having to do security at a gay bar down in the city. more than once it was me packing heat that kept good, relatively law abiding and completely non violent citizens of our great union from getting beat to bloody ribbons by groups of redneck idiots too large to otherwise combat.

You teach a drag queen to shoot straight (see what I did there?) and you've just effectively increased the security of them, their boyfriend, and the whole glitter splashed dance crew with them.

this is an ugly, violent world. that ain't changing any time soon. I don't reckon it ever will, people being how they are. The fundamental right to defend oneself, family and home are essential to being human. In a world where weapons exist, stripping any but the most destructive weapons from citizens is folly. anyone who thinks otherwise had never been jumped by a dozen drunk asshats in a truck. You ain't fighting that many bare handed. You ain't doing it with a knife, a bat, or brass knuckles.

Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee and even Chuck Norris... okay, Chuck could do it, but otherwise when you're dog piled by a bunch of violent, aggressive goons, you'll understand better the beauty of at least semi automatic fire.

having a gun, even military grade, isn't about the daily need for protection. You can do that with pepper spray or whatever. It's about when the excrement his the air conditioning. You seen riots on tv, right? you think a mob fifty or sixty strong is going to leave you be because you're waving a friendly flag? or because you voted their way? nope. they'll leave when they find superior combat materials directed at them. if you're lucky the cops will roll in with tear gas, water hoses and meanness. if you aren't? well isn't it a shame you never learned how to maintain, fire, and therefore safely own a nice rapid fire rifle.

pisses me off though. I try to vote progressive and liberal, but too often those words are poor descriptors of a group that just wants to impinge on a different set of rights. It's a shame that every candidate for the last twenty years has been a compromise for me. vote my heart? impossible.

[–]o0flatCircle0o -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was incredibly well said. Made me think a lot. For me I just want to reduce suffering as much as possible. I also want people to be able to defend themselves because like you said sometimes it's necessary. I'd like to have safeguards in place as much as possible without reducing its lethality and it's ability to save people. If the NRA was more open to options to reduce accidental or child deaths or even murders I'd be more likely to support gun ownership.

[–]itty53 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hatchets are perfectly legal in California. Just not as a weapon.

[–]dvshnk2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed. Did you know you can buy a full length axe at any hardware store without a permit or even age check? Double edged axes should be banned, clearly just intended for murder rampages, who ever needs to chop wood with both sides at the same time???

[–]hatsolotl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you know how easy it is to buy hatchet handles too. It's insane.

[–]vanvelderulz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the past, the US attorney general's office has filed charges when it concerns civil rights violation even if the local police do not. Expect charges soon for these horrible...oh wait..they're African American. Never mind.

[–]Brandon138 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

So is transgender woman a man or a woman technically?

[–]mamaetalia 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

If this is a serious question, a transgender woman is a person who was labeled male at birth and then transitioned to female once they had the opportunity to.

[–]Clemalum07 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

per the police... what it says on their ID so a man.

[–]Captain_Lambkin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Someone is going to have to create a republicunt filter, so comments are actually bearable again.

[–]Cookies78 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe he thought she needed "Ye olde axe wound?"

[–]thirdeyeherbivore 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

So disappointed in the Queen City right now. Charlotte is one of the most forward thinking cities in NC.

[–]big_llihs 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The large cities in NC are all very liberal. It's the rest of the state that are conservative as fuck. But even then, NC still elected Obama in 2008.

[–]thebigtodo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The people who attacked her were Hillarys base.

[–]bruppa -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This reminds me of the irony of drawing attention to the trans "people of color" who were primarily victims of hate crimes and were victims of the most violent hate crimes. The whole #SayTheirNames campaign and narrative of minorities being victimized more than white trans people neglects to mention why they were victimized more often. Instead of acknowledging there is definitely more violence and probably more intolerance in some minority communities it was ignored and implied as a narrative resulting from racism, despite the perps being the same race as those assaulted.

[–]transfascism_mod 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because they are about entirely prostitutes who were attacked by clients or homophobic men. Zero white "trans women" were killed. The narrative isn't just misleading, it's an outright lie, made up to serve the political agenda of so-called LGBT activists.

[–]krier55 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

just trying to make it official

[–]SnerdMcGill -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yelling that you have hiv, even if you don't, is very effective. No one will attack you for fear of contracting hiv. I'm negative but I've adopted the stance and no one has fucked with me since. I feel like I've gotten my life back. Literally no one will touch you if you tell them you have hiv.

[–]h4x3r101 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

transgender woman or a man? Which came first ?

[–]Bye-Stander [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I always get confused. Is a "transgender woman" a woman who identifies as a man, or a dude look like a lady?

[–]ottoman_tangent [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

if i were their defence lawyer i'd be saying that the guys were just offering to perform the sex change op.