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Wanda/Wander · 05:22 PM

I'm not trying to say the Alt-Right are the sole reason Donald Trump got elected.

The point of this thread is to highlight the connection between Gamergate, the Alt-right, and Donald Trump.

purseowner · (Today, 04:50 PM)

I blame Milo and his cronies to a hefty degree.

Tain · (Today, 04:51 PM)

Gamergate was a symptom of a bunch of dorks getting riled up over "PC culture", not the start.

Herp Derpington · 04:55 PM

Nm

Edit:

This is a pretty good article on what is going on. click

sixteen-bit · (Today, 04:52 PM)

benicillin · (Today, 04:52 PM)

You aren't wrong, necessarily, but I don't think Gamergate "started" Donald Trump. They're both symptoms of the same thing. Angry white men radicalized by Internet culture are behind a lot of serious problems we're facing right now.

Garrett Hawke · (Today, 04:52 PM)

While I don't think it caused tr*mp I think it's clear that a lot of the people who were involved in that movement moved over to tr*mp when it happened.

It's still so surreal that everyone was worried about the radicalisation of recruits for terrorist organisations when this radicalisation was happening and no-one batted an eye, because you could just "turn off the computer".

Jucksalbe · (Today, 04:53 PM)

If anything they are a symptom of the same underlying problem. But even that is a stretch.

platocplx · (Today, 04:54 PM)

Originally Posted by Garrett Hawke

While I don't think it caused tr*mp I think it's clear that a lot of the people who were involved in that movement moved over to tr*mp when it happened.

It's still so surreal that everyone was worried about the radicalisation of recruits for terrorist organisations when this radicalisation was happening and no-one batted an eye, because you could just "turn off the computer".

Im more afraid of alt-qaeda terrorists here than some people overseas

BreezyLimbo · (Today, 04:54 PM)

The alt right existed before gamergate or Milo were things, and that was the Tea Party

DNAbro · (Today, 04:55 PM)

Don't give them credit when they don't deserve it. As other said, symptom, not the cause.

KHlover · (Today, 04:56 PM)

Originally Posted by Garrett Hawke

While I don't think it caused tr*mp I think it's clear that a lot of the people who were involved in that movement moved over to tr*mp when it happened.

It's still so surreal that everyone was worried about the radicalisation of recruits for terrorist organisations when this radicalisation was happening and no-one batted an eye, because you could just "turn off the computer".

Is your u key broken?

OT: The demographic sure was there (see 4chan and /r/the_donald), but idk how important they were in the end. Could imagine they created a lot of the images that were spread around facebook etc

animlboogy · 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Tain

Gamergate was a symptom of a bunch of dorks getting riled up over "PC culture", not the start.

Yes. But it quickly activated a ton of people who had zero previous interest in politics or culture wars. And it codified the tools of the alt-right, from language, to brigading, to harassment techniques, which within months spread to every single other medium from books to television, and around a year in became the most visible form of online right-wing discourse.

I don't buy it when people say GG was some isolated gaming-only thing. You're being disingenuous, or you never really followed what was happening. Three years ago, communication online looked entirely different pre-GG compared to how it does now.

Before GG, this entire style existed in the limp-dicked corners of the MRA/MGTOW/Red Pill world, completely powerless to affect the discourse. After GG, and all the mainstream coverage it got, everything changed. These people are now the loudest voice in America. GG gave them the template to achieve that.

Originally Posted by BreezyLimbo

The alt right existed before gamergate or Milo were things, and that was the Tea Party

The Tea Party was firmly engaged in dogwhistle politics. They attracted racists looking for a home, but not really much beyond the usual Southern Strategy pandering the mainstream GOP engages in.

They were also far more interested in actual policy. Unrealistic, idiotic policies, but policies nonetheless. Above all, their goal was to dismantle as much of the federal government as possible, and cut as many taxes as possible including things like the tariffs Trump supporters are so interested in.

There's overlap, sure, but I don't really think the two movements are outgrowths of the same thing. Few Republicans wanted Trump out of the picture during the primaries like Tea Partiers did. They're all about ideological purity.

Savitar · 05:03 PM

Gamergate was just a symptom of a much larger status that was going on in the country that most people didn't realize, understand or turned a blind eye too. There are a lot of disenfranchised people out there, a lot, the election proved that. So yeah Gamergate started nothing, it was just one more piece being shown from a larger problem.

The issue at hand is how to deal with such people, outright denouncing them turned out to be fool hardy and a total backfire election wise. It might be morally correct but the righteousness shown against some can make others all that much worse in return who will more stubbornly stick to their point of view.

People here are genuinely good people, but a lot of the country came to realize that not everyone has the same views and thoughts. Yes some should not be allowed or tolerated and are disgusting. But the way we believed to be a proper way to handle such folks, really does need to change to something else.

Unfortunately what that is still needs to be decided.

QuantumBro · (Today, 04:57 PM)

Originally Posted by platocplx

Im more afraid of alt-qaeda terrorists here than some people overseas

Good for you, but the actions of Radical Console Warriors keep many people here up at night.

LordKano · (Today, 04:58 PM)

A bunch of nerds who doesn't know shit about the video game industry had no effect on the election of the President of the United States of America.

Boney · (Today, 04:59 PM)

The Tea Party. And the mislabel of alt right instead of extreme right

balohna · (Today, 05:00 PM)

Trump's most important demographics probably don't even play video games or know what a gamer gate is.

gate stormer · (Today, 05:00 PM)

Although I get why this thread was started, do we really have to throw politics into gaming anyway we can?

Nokagi · 05:04 PM

I guarantee you the vast majority of people who voted have no idea wtf Gamergate is. Also the "war against political correctness" has been going on well before Gamergate.

DNAbro · (Today, 05:01 PM)

Originally Posted by LordKano

A bunch of nerds who doesn't know shit about the video game industry had no effect on the election of the President of the United States of America.

Many of them think they had some type of "positive" effect on the gaming industry. Of course they didn't and industry will continue to get more diverse with more people making games and more diverse characters in games but don't tell them that.

mysocksarepink · (Today, 05:02 PM)

I tried to explain to my lady how 4chan and their memes helped propel trump but she wasn't buying it

Mub! · (Today, 05:03 PM)

gamergate was a symptom of an already extreme political climate, not the cause.

Permanently A · (Today, 05:03 PM)

This is silly. Yes the people who were part of gamergate went on to join the alt right. But gamergate didn't get trump elected. Millions of Americans did that.

The Lamonster · (Today, 05:03 PM)

The line starts at NBC's The Apprentice, IMO

has nothing to do with GG

animlboogy · (Today, 05:04 PM)

Originally Posted by Nokagi

I guarantee you the vast majority of people who voted have no idea wtf Gamergate is.

They don't, but tactically they all seem to pull from a quiver that has "gamergate" written on the side.

Originally Posted by The Lamonster

The line starts at NBC's The Apprentice, IMO

If you're talking Trump the man, it's The Art of the Deal. Before that, he was more known for blunders like Atlantic City and the USFL.

Dragonslayer_023 · (Today, 05:05 PM)

There is also a clear line from the release of Jazz Jackrabbit on GBA to the election of Donald Trump.

1. Jaleco releases "Jazz Jackrabbit" on GBA
2. A War Against "Political Correctness" or (PC Culture) Begins
3. Online Publication Breitbart.com and Gamergate Figurehead Milo Yiannopoulos Give
Birth to the Alt-Right Movement
4. Donald Trump Spends Much of Campaign Critiquing Political Correctness
5. The Alt-Right Chooses Donald Trump as their Champion in the Fight Against PC Culture
6. Donald Trump Chooses Breitbart Chairman Steve Bannon as Campaign CEO
7. Donald Trump is Elected President of the United States of America
8. Steve Bannon is Appointed Chief Strategist and Senior Counsoler to the President of the United States of America
9. The Alt-Right Celebrates their Victory

TheRedSnifit · (Today, 05:06 PM)

This has been beaten to death already. Trump did not get an unusually large amount of votes. Hillary Clinton lost because she got an unusually low amount of votes. I don't think there's a clear line between GamerGate and low turnout among Democrats.

samuraidino · (Today, 05:07 PM)

No, it wasn't.

As others have mentioned,the current climate has basically spawned from the tea partier movement.

Trump and others fueled that movement, made it acceptable and then rode it all the way to the Whitehouse.

Peltz · (Today, 05:08 PM)

Originally Posted by The Lamonster

The line starts at NBC's The Apprentice, IMO

has nothing to do with GG

To truly bake an apple pie from scratch, you must first start with the universe.

How far are we going to go back? This line of reasoning is unproductive and totally unscientific.

NimbleNavigator · (Today, 05:08 PM)

The main problem is white people voting against the possibility of minorities being equal

Sat0ri · (Today, 05:09 PM)

The whole MRA/red pill movement was alive long before gamergate.

Woorloog · (Today, 05:10 PM)

While alt-rights like GamerGate are even more emboldened by Trump, i actually doubt they had much impact on the election itself. They're mostly young, and young are poor voters in the US, no?

Originally Posted by gate stormer

Although I get why this thread was started, do we really have to throw politics into gaming anyway we can?

You don't need to read this thread if it bothers you.

If you think a thread is inappropriate, PM a mod instead of complaining in the thread.

Originally Posted by Sat0ri

The whole MRA/red pill movement was alive long before gamergate.

GamerGate is just the latest form of that, more like.

I noted in one thread that "pick-up artists" and "M'lady" folks, along with those you mention are really just predecessors to current GamerGate and alt-right.

SG-17 · (Today, 05:12 PM)

Originally Posted by BreezyLimbo

The alt right existed before gamergate or Milo were things, and that was the Tea Party

Its just rebranded KKK and neo-nazis.

Draxyle · (Today, 05:12 PM)

Even after the election I still see people spamming false stories and idiotic memes as replies to anything political. If they aren't gamergators, they're certainly indistinguishable to the mounds of BS we saw during the rise of gamergate.

They've really made the Internet a terrible place to be.

Omnistalgic · (Today, 05:12 PM)

I posted this on my twitter.

almost half of America didn't participate in voting (number is 40-42% i believe)
of the half that did, they were almost split down the middle between 2 candidates
Approximately 1/4 of U.S citizens got what they "think" they wanted

We just live in a divided country, with a lot of issues and a lot of agendas. figuring how how issues stem from one another doesn't solve anything, it's just a discussion about something meaningless IMO.

Empyrean Heaven · (Today, 05:16 PM)

Milo doesn't make sense to me. He's gay and British, but hates gay people and British people. He says fat shaming should be done at all times, but fat shames people in the gym actively trying to fix the problem. He thinks women have no place in the video games industry, but says that video games are for girlfriend-less nerds who live in their parents' basement.

He's a troll and a bully, plain and simple. He's worth no time for no-one. Even my friend, who is as far-right as you can believe, absolutely despises the guy.

God Dayumm · (Today, 05:17 PM)

Clinton won among young voters. Despite what your Gamergate narrative tells you, young men still vote liberal

Cyberbully · (Today, 05:18 PM)

So OP believes that somehow someway a small group of people on the internet decided the US election

thx 4 wakin us sheeple up

Akuun · (Today, 05:18 PM)

While the "I'm forever alone but I blame other people for all of my problems and hate them because of it" view was partly popularized by GG, let's not credit them for this election. They'd love to have that sense of self-importance.

nynt9 · (Today, 05:19 PM)

Gamer gate wasn't even the first incarnation of this on the internet. The PUA community is basically where a lot of gamergaters got their rhetoric and support from.

electroshockwave · (Today, 05:20 PM)

MRAs and other forms of the alt right existed before Gamergate.

RichiRamjag · (Today, 05:20 PM)

Originally Posted by Akuun

While the "I'm forever alone but I blame other people for all of my problems and hate them because of it" view was partly popularized by GG, let's not credit them for this election. They'd love to have that sense of self-importance.

Exactly. They feed on this type of stuff.

The extreme left certainly didn't help either when all is said and done though.

Cruxist · (Today, 05:21 PM)

Just a heads up, the alt-right has been a thing in Europe for a while now. The US is only just seeing its own version of the movement.

rochellepaws · (Today, 05:22 PM)

These people and their views existed long before but there was definitely a sense of gamergate providing a common cause which brought them together. The misreading from the mainstream media and appointment of a breitbart chairman as chief strategist for the president of the united states has really brought home to me just how much influence these people have now, it feels like a head in the sand response at this stage to pretend like they're just a few angry basement trolls.
Scary and dangerous times ahead.

Jeels · (Today, 05:22 PM)

Originally Posted by God Dayumm

Clinton won among young voters. Despite what your Gamergate narrative tells you, young men still vote liberal

Eh. Young people of color vote liberal overwhelmingly. Young white males is a little harder to gauge.

PeskyToaster · (Today, 05:22 PM)

Originally Posted by Garrett Hawke

While I don't think it caused tr*mp I think it's clear that a lot of the people who were involved in that movement moved over to tr*mp when it happened.

It's still so surreal that everyone was worried about the radicalisation of recruits for terrorist organisations when this radicalisation was happening and no-one batted an eye, because you could just "turn off the computer".

wait ddi you just censor Trump?

GlamFM · (Today, 05:24 PM)

These events did not happen in a vacuum, and GG sure wasn´t the start of it.

Here in Europe the move to the right was very apparent for years.

The times we live in apparently.

Shitty times.

Air Zombie Meat · 05:27 PM

Gamergate gets way too much credit on this forum. A bunch of nerds whining about games journalism didn't get trump elected.

valeu · (Today, 05:24 PM)

Originally Posted by NimbleNavigator

The main problem is white people voting against the possibility of minorities being equal

this is what it seems to be about to me too. if you are white and blue collar and struggling or just young and white and insecure, maybe you always felt: "at least i'm white", as if that was some advantage. but giving everyone equal rights which obama worked hard for, made these types angry because they lost their advantage. i don't believe that a white confident attractive successful man is insecure or angry about women / blacks / lgbt etc. having equal rights