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[–]LORD_PUNN87 1645ポイント1646ポイント  (120子コメント)

New link thanks to /u/early_birdy Mirror

Non youtube link make sure to spread the love to /u/rationalcomment for getting the new mirror.

https://vimeo.com/191485540

[–]Ra1d3n 804ポイント805ポイント  (49子コメント)

Thank you. Fuck "not available in your country".

[–]PeenuttButler 193ポイント194ポイント  (13子コメント)

This is really strange, I can watch all of their past videos.

[–]TIGHazard 93ポイント94ポイント  (8子コメント)

It doesn't go unblocked until Sky Atlantic broadcast it in the UK a day later.

[–]Stefffan1729 63ポイント64ポイント  (6子コメント)

Did they change their schedule? I always watch John Oliver at this hour on YouTube, and now it's still blocked (Italian here)

[–]TIGHazard 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

It used to broadcast the same day, then a couple of weeks ago it became a day later, and now, looking at the TV guide it's airing on Saturdays.

They're just asking for people to use mirror's now.

[–]ZenBerzerker 28ポイント29ポイント  (4子コメント)

That link got copyright-blocked, it's now only mirroring the blocking.

[–]as_a_fake 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim."

[–]awesometuck1559 1388ポイント1389ポイント  (120子コメント)

They deadass put the whole show up, HBO logo and everything. Gotta admit that's cool.

[–]GrassBeGreener 2094ポイント2095ポイント  (620子コメント)

Awesome segment, except for the parts about the KKK backing. Come the fuck on. The KKK (all 7000 of them, lol) is backing something every time. Shitty people and shitty groups are always going to back something. They choose their "lesser of 2 evils" the same way we/I choose our "lesser of 2 evils."

[–]XVioletStrand 503ポイント504ポイント  (98子コメント)

[–]KSenCSmith 567ポイント568ポイント  (77子コメント)

Neutral (well, left of center) Canadian here

This is what pisses me off about John Oliver. He markets himself as a political comedian that focuses on nuance, but he doesn't actual deliver nuance. He too goes for shock value and one liners, because they sell well in his target audience. He isn't breaking the bubble or encouraging discourse, he directly contributes to division by mocking anyone he disagrees with and allowing his audience to feel superior. He's selling smugness, nothing more

[–]noteventired19 128ポイント129ポイント  (18子コメント)

I was once arguing with someone and posted 5 scientific articles, their rebuttal was a video of John Oliver and a smug attitude.

[–]ZeekyBoogyDoog5 65ポイント66ポイント  (4子コメント)

He explicitly says in this part of the video that he's "Part of your bubble" and that the show has agenda and point of view. He doesn't sell himself on being a balanced or neutral party.

He certainly advocates for discourse and getting a balanced view by explicitly saying those things are important, I don't deliver them go out and subscribe The Post or The Times and not just me.

I can be a burger chef and still say "Eating a balanced diet is important. Go out and get your self some vegetables once in a while because all I'm selling here is triple-deckers with bacon"

[–]hagamablabla 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

What he said was that it's OK for the media to have an opinion. There's a difference between having an opinion and willfully ignoring facts to prove a point.

[–]4UNMe 1447ポイント1448ポイント  (241子コメント)

That's what I don't understand. Why is Trump to be blamed for the KKK backing him? If the KKK started publicly backing Reese's peanut butter cups, would we have to hate Reese's peanut butter cups?

[–]iGotDatDainbramage 348ポイント349ポイント  (12子コメント)

Not to mention the KKK in California backed Clinton and no one talks about it

[–]TheVegetaMonologues 909ポイント910ポイント  (135子コメント)

Also, which is worse? The KKK endorses you, or Saudi Arabia, a country that publicly executes gays, pays you dirty money in exchange for record-setting weapons deals?

[–]schlondark 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Qatar is a billion times worse - literally 80% of their population is enslaved.

[–]Filth33_3than 127ポイント128ポイント  (22子コメント)

That's what pissed me off about that guy that had that talk show. Damn I dont know his name. He had a video that was trending where before the election he said something along the lines of it being difficult to elect the next president in a sarcastic manner.

He then goes on to list each person's negatives. Hilary obviously had the private email server and he stopped there then goes on to list each and every Trump negative that he could spout out in one breath.

That pissed me off. It wouldn't have been difficult to talk about all that shit that Hilary and her foundation has done.

[–]KneeGal 1140ポイント1141ポイント  (112子コメント)

Support the washington post

That is a good joke if I have seen one

[–]Fredthefree 264ポイント265ポイント  (24子コメント)

The new York Times had to send a letter to its readers that it was rededicating its self to fairness.

I went to that non-profit thing and it's amazing. I hits nails on the head and use sources. It is also longer that 2 paragraphs and take more than 5 mins to read. A million times better than the newspapers he mentioned.

[–]UpgrayeddShepard 33ポイント34ポイント  (6子コメント)

What non profit thing?

[–]thomase7 93ポイント94ポイント  (4子コメント)

Propublica

[–]jacquedsouza 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Propublica is the shit. It actually does good investigative pieces, tries to look at pros and cons of different issues, and does not get talked about enough.

[–]ClosetedCloset 141ポイント142ポイント  (8子コメント)

Unless I'm mistaken, This appears to be the letter and NYT is claiming they "reported on both candidates fairly during the presidential campaign."

What they're "apologizing" for is for their inability to report "honestly."

It's such a non-apology that I honestly have no idea what they're even apologizing for...

[–]brandonbui 778ポイント779ポイント  (58子コメント)

http://fair.org/home/washington-post-ran-16-negative-stories-on-bernie-sanders-in-16-hours/

Remember that time the Washington Compost printed 16 anti-Bernie articles in the span of 16 hours?

John Oliver is asking people to straight up give money to Jeff Bezos. What a hack.

[–]DashFerLev 358ポイント359ポイント  (46子コメント)

To reiterate /r/The_VictoryLap

Oliver works for Time Warner and is/was on the DNC payroll. Unless you buy that the WikiLeaks are Russian lies.

[–]Iosis 54ポイント55ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oliver did not collude with the DNC, or if he did, no emails showed that. He was asked to be part of a Clinton campaign event, along with other comedians, and ultimately did not accept.

The Wikileaks emails are absolutely real and many are damning of both the Clinton campaign and the DNC, but context is as important as content.

[–]Sandalman3000 181ポイント182ポイント  (37子コメント)

I don't think the theory is that WikiLeaks is Russian lies, but that Russia is aiding WikiLeaks to leak information that benefits Russian policy.

[–]Austernpilz 174ポイント175ポイント  (20子コメント)

So what? You are still shooting the messenger.

Hillary is corrupt, and that is no ones fault but hers.

Add to that the fact that CNN, owned by one of Hillarys biggest donors, tries to tell the populace that looking at Wikileaks is illegal, and Russia looks like the loveable antihero compared to the Clinton Cartel.

[–]Hypothesis_Null 254ポイント255ポイント  (10子コメント)

Well, in that case, ISIS aided Hillary's campaign by not committing any terrorist attacks right before the election.

[–]Downbound92 132ポイント133ポイント  (11子コメント)

The Washington Post supports David Fahrenthold, who did extraordinary research on the Trump Foundation and published the Access Hollywood tape.

[–]ShaftRambone 883ポイント884ポイント  (152子コメント)

Not one mention of what a low quality candidate Clinton was. Just blame all the racists for electing Trump. That's getting tired.

[–]GonnaVote2 275ポイント276ポイント  (28子コメント)

Could you imagine if Trump was a member of an all white country club for 9 years in Arkansas?

The media would have destroyed him for it...Hillary...not a mention

Also they neglected to mention that Trump had to file lawsuits in Palm Beach to open a golf course that did allow minorities in the 80's

But none of that fits the narrative of a John Oliver

[–]richmelchr 65ポイント66ポイント  (7子コメント)

I was not aware of this. I also fact checked it just for sure and found the last mention of it back in March, funny that.

[–]GonnaVote2 42ポイント43ポイント  (6子コメント)

The media in this country is shit for soooooo many reasons

I so desperately want to win the lottery so I can start a Media Watch Group that is run by both a democrat and a republican to eliminate as much bias as possible

[–]TheNegotiator12 197ポイント198ポイント  (21子コメント)

Yea people are playing the sexist and racism card on why she lost, its not like she has a trust problem or anything

[–]PrettyFly4AGreenGuy 95ポイント96ポイント  (3子コメント)

Or that people are sick of other people playing the "You're a sexist/racist!" card on them.

It'd be nice if the left could actually articulate issues instead of character assissinate.

[–]shine_o 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

Am I crazy or was there definitely a mention of it? I think he even called her "low quality"

[–]fivetickaticka 4395ポイント4396ポイント  (2187子コメント)

John Oliver significantly contributes to the divide between the right and left in America. Not saying it's wrong (or right) of him to do so, just saying that he does nothing but paint a horrible picture of the right for his viewers who are nearly 100% left, further decreasing their understanding of each other.

[–]ass_kicker32 1646ポイント1647ポイント  (564子コメント)

He said exactly that in his video. He also said to research outside the media and to not "just let this video...bounce around your echo chamber."

[–]BerniesARealAmerican 457ポイント458ポイント  (107子コメント)

But he's in the echo chamber. He was part of the echo chamber that contributed to the Democrats getting an exclusive and divisive candidate like Clinton instead of an inclusive and unifying candidate like Sanders. I haven't watched an episode or a clip of John Oliver since he refused to cover the DNC corruption and I never will again.

[–]sudevsen 1821ポイント1822ポイント  (959子コメント)

I love Jon but right now the answer of "how the fuck did this happen" lies in trying to understand the mindset of people who voted for Trump esp. in former Blue states and middle America.

Painting everyone as /r/The_Donald is just pointless.There is a schism and the media(both left and right) need to understand it

[–]Santabird 1128ポイント1129ポイント  (494子コメント)

Why the fuck do we have a left and right media?! That's the entire problem. We have 5 news channels and they're all partisan.

[–]RudeHero 846ポイント847ポイント  (401子コメント)

Because everyone thinks PBS/the news hour is boring and nobody watches it

[–]utrom 107ポイント108ポイント  (381子コメント)

Would you recommend it?

[–]Thermodynamicness 591ポイント592ポイント  (375子コメント)

If you want non-partisan and professional news, PBS is an excellent resource.

[–]Greatmambojambo 149ポイント150ポイント  (31子コメント)

If you want honest non partisan news, BBC international news is pretty good. The fact that left leaning people think it's too conservative and right leaning people think it's too liberal speaks for itself. They even release two ~30min audio podcast per day you can download for free. I usually read my news, but when I can't, this is my go to source.

[–]h0tp1nk 674ポイント675ポイント  (316子コメント)

PBS definitely swings left

[–]thesixth_SpiceGirl 515ポイント516ポイント  (148子コメント)

I think you'll find it's far less sensationalist and much more unbiased than probably any other network out there. Better?

[–]ghost_of_stonetear 218ポイント219ポイント  (128子コメント)

I used to think the same about NPR until this year. It's just as sensationalist and over the top... to the point of being heavily biased in favor of the DNC.

[–]bub166 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm honestly inclined to agree, even as an avid listener. I love NPR, but it seemed fairly obvious, to me at least, that they were in it for Clinton (who I voted for, for what it's worth) from the beginning.

[–]dfschmidt 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, I got that from Ron Elving during the DNC coverage. Before that too, but the main trouble here is that NPR/PBS have the pretense of being disinterested when they are very interested.

[–]kagman 281ポイント282ポイント  (107子コメント)

Oh for the love... People.

If we are talking about a distance from center. 0 being completely unbias, NPR is like +2 liberal (And it is intended for an intelligent adult audience. It doesn't dumb down the complexity of news). Make no mistake, level of education is correlated to a likelihood of voting Democratic, and NPR is directed towards an educated audience (educating the audience in the process). "Democrats lead by 22 points (57%-35%) in leaned party identification among adults with post-graduate degrees."

PBS is similar.

ALL other news outlets. MSNBC, CNN, FOX, like... every single goddamn internet outlet is some varying degree of +8, +5, -8 etc etc...

Republicanism has been anti-intellectual for a long time now (see entire Bush administration). Look no further than the basic science of climate change, or environmental impact of policy, or Basic Human rights (an extension of one's ability to understand or even be aware of history). Because republicanism is so anti-intellectual, Intellectual discussion just sounds contrary to republicanism.

So if you're judging news outlets by their closeness to center. NPR (Being intellectual, and thus serving majority democrats...) while not at 0... is as close as any other.

Edit: Gold! Neat!

[–]CollinsCouldveDucked 261ポイント262ポイント  (102子コメント)

well when the right endorses trump the middle may feel like left.

[–]fortheburds 112ポイント113ポイント  (15子コメント)

Centrist here. I would agree except that Trump is a RINO and not anything even remotely close to anything that could be construed as "conservative."

[–]Kcekyy222 221ポイント222ポイント  (8子コメント)

Trump high jacked the Republican Party. He is neither a democrat or republican. He's just Donald trump

[–]Enchanted_Bunny 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

Trump may be, but the people he's appointing to run things are GOP blue bloods through and through.

[–]Cessnaporsche01 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

Eh. NPR and PBS will always be a little bit to the left, since they get their funding from the government and are generally produced by academic organizations, which err left.

But both seem to do a pretty good job of maintaining neutrality in reporting.

[–]TripleEEE1682 55ポイント56ポイント  (3子コメント)

NPR was not neutral during the primaries. They were dismissive of Bernie. Even now, they won't acknowledge the part his campaign played in HRC's relationship with the progressive left, and how that might have effected turnout. They didn't even say his name when they did an analysis. No NPR was in the bag for HRC.

[–]myne 231ポイント232ポイント  (18子コメント)

There's not really a dramatic schism.

It's really quite simple. These states were blue when the unions and Ds were strong and looking after them. They voted for their own personal and familial economy. Even Bill Clinton said "It's the economy, stupid."

Then everything turned. However, as with most political changes, the consequences take longer than a term to play out. Often they take 2-3 terms. This plays both ways. Positive consequences are also often credited to the wrong people.

It's strongly arguable that the collapse of 07/08 had roots in the late 90s. Whether it's free trade or whatever, at first the jobs left but were replaced. Maybe you became a real-estate agent, maybe a trader. It didn't really matter, everyone was still ok. It wasn't really until 08 that it really hit. That was ok though. The people knew the Democrats looked after the people historically, so they voted Obama.

Only, this time, they've moved so far away that after two long terms of stagnation and struggle, someone in the Republicans spoke to them.

They nailed plausible causes to their woes and they nailed plausible solutions.

They may not be THE cause or THE solution, but at least this one isn't completely out of touch.

The schism isn't there. The people haven't changed. The policies and allegiances have.

All that said, roughly half the country didn't care enough to vote. So, for the sake of argument, let's assume I'm completely wrong above and there is a massive divide.

There's a broad apathetic prarie between the divide. It's actually somewhat likely that if the divide does exist, both sides have swung so extreme they've alienated the larger, silent middle who, occasionally poke their prarie dog heads up only to recoil in horror at both sides.

It's the middle y'all should be talking to. You're unlikely to convert any lefts to right or rights to left, but there's a reasonable chance they could articulate a vision and draw the extremes to the more sane centre.

\___/ <---- Left, apathetic prarie, right

[–]TripleEEE1682 51ポイント52ポイント  (5子コメント)

So true.

I recall the third debate, and because I was a disgruntled progressive who couldn't stand being around hillarybots on /r/politics, I decided to watch the debate over on /r/wayofthebern, and found myself hanging out with other disgruntled progressives and.... Trumpsters. We were all hanging out there, venting our anger at Hillary (following Wikileaks revelations which incensed us), and hoping/wishing that Donald would actually say something articulate about the leaks and what those ethical breaches represented.

I knew then that up was down and down was up, and it's time for us to move away from the left/right polarity. We are viewing many issues differently than we used to, and it would be worth our while to see exactly what our policy differences are these days.

[–]IrishVolunteer 30ポイント31ポイント  (12子コメント)

Spot on. Empathy matters, and painting things this way is the opposite of empathy.

[–]CantStopReason 138ポイント139ポイント  (21子コメント)

It's pretty obvious why, outside of big cities people are struggling, and a lot of them are white and the liberals ignore them and paint them as degenerates.

[–]Lamar_Scrodum 56ポイント57ポイント  (3子コメント)

So true. As a lifelong New Yorker, this election and the response from everyone around me has really proven our "elitist" stereotype to be accurate. Nobody here, myself included, has any fucking clue what's going on in the Rust Belt or Appalachia or any other struggling region. No, we have the benefit of not having to give a fuck about stuff like manufacturing jobs and we can't comprehend that issues like that are literally life and death to some parts of the country.

[–]fivetickaticka 79ポイント80ポイント  (12子コメント)

Yes, I agree. Whether that's John Oliver's prerogative in aiding the understanding is neither here nor there, I was simply stating how I feel his show in its current state has an effect on his viewers.

[–]ZimZimA1 191ポイント192ポイント  (38子コメント)

Both the left and the right are in bubbles. There are two Americas.

[–]Spooky-skeleton 465ポイント466ポイント  (73子コメント)

oliver, colbert and most of the late show/take show people are too part of the problem

[–]NefariousBanana 305ポイント306ポイント  (64子コメント)

The worst part is that most of them are doubling down. At least Oliver had enough sense to say "yeah this echo chamber shit is one of the problems that put us in this mess." Guys like Trevor Noah are such ideological fucking twits that eventually they'll lose all support from everyone except the most timid liberals who keep lying to themselves and convince themselves that everything is fine. Which, coincidentally, is the reason Hillary lost in the first place. This is the failure of American liberalism personified. Until a real left wing party starts in this country, expect to see Trump's roots spread into the American government for a long time.

[–]Bea_OProblem 253ポイント254ポイント  (29子コメント)

Oliver doubled down too, he still demonstrated that he just doesn't get it. The only one who has come close so far is Conan.

[–]CloakedCorgi 133ポイント134ポイント  (18子コメント)

Yeah, I was thoroughly impressed by Conan. I really like Oliver, Colbert (and I really mis Jon Stewart), but I wasn't at all impressed by their responses to the election.

It's democracy. Sometimes the people in your country with opposing views but equal rights get their way over yours. And that's fine. Because you get to live in a democracy.

Conan's response was mature. Colbert's (as much as I love the man) really came across as incredibly immature.

[–]tanngniost 56ポイント57ポイント  (7子コメント)

Colbert really went both ways for me. I though his deal at the end of his election night special where he called for people to work together was a nice mature way to end things. But then the next night in his opening monologue on his show he was right back in his comfort zone doing basically what he had told people not to do the night before.

[–]4UNMe 186ポイント187ポイント  (48子コメント)

You're right, but it's hard talking about this on reddit because of the vote mechanic. Reddit is designed more than even Facebook to be an echo chamber.

[–]iolex 205ポイント206ポイント  (27子コメント)

Hmm you think so? I find FB to be worse because people are only friends with the people they hang with and get along with. The moment that breaks they are unfollowed/removed. Add to that the algorithms to determine the news you see.....

Reddit certainly has its own form of echo chamberishness, but I tend to see a greater range of opinions here.

[–]FluentInTypo 68ポイント69ポイント  (12子コメント)

Except when all the major political subs banned their own people and deleted or mass-downvoted fellow liberals who wanted to talk about the problems of Hillary Clinton or were critical of her or the current party platform. You've heard of CTR, yes? Setting aside we dont know exactly who they were or even how many of them, we most certainly saw the affect - the silencing of liberals who were critical of the democratic platform. The fact the the DNC hired this group to manipulate all conversations in major subs is one of the most evident tactics of why Democrats were surprised they lost. It was a stunningly bad decision. Liberals never had the chance to understand their other supporters who were on the cusp of leaving the party. The mods, CTR and any liberal sub member who purposely tried to silence dissent through downvotes and bans thought they were creating a unified and positive message that would help Clinton, when instead they created a completely inaccurate representation of her percieved support. So of course democrats are stunned. The manipulators thought they could control the messaging through silencing, and the regular user, either unaware or disbelieving that the manupulation was occuring (those people claiming it are crazy conspiracy theorist), ended up surrounded with information that reinforced the false narrative that all democrats were supportive of Clinton.

[–]steamwhy 41ポイント42ポイント  (10子コメント)

Yeah FB is worse by a huge margin. Getting down voted is way different than the cringeworthy bullshit consumerism and outright falsenesses that get spread on Facebook. Just the other day they were talking about how completely fake news stories could've had an effect on the election.

[–]FadimirGluten 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's interesting how in most of those stories they don't even bother to disclose that Facebook was caught removing conservative sources from the Trending Stories. If you have seen HoC s3, Pollyhop = facebook/twitter and most of all google.

[–]greatslyfer 1365ポイント1366ポイント  (136子コメント)

John Oliver IMMEDIATELY using the flawed argument of "Now your daughter won't think she can become president" bullshit argument.

[–]Big-Dick-Bandito 451ポイント452ポイント  (37子コメント)

Insulting and small-minded comment from him.

He'd probably reach a lot more people if he could deliver his message without belittling half the nation.

[–]Triptolemu5 238ポイント239ポイント  (22子コメント)

Insulting and small-minded comment from him

That's been his formula since day one. He's fun to watch when you agree with him, but not when you disagree, because he always paints anyone who disagrees with him as a moron.

[–]PedroIsWatching 86ポイント87ポイント  (7子コメント)

What's funny is you don't even realize this fact until the second you disagree with him, then the scales fall and you never see the show the same way again.

Reddit collectively figured this out after Oliver's ridiculously one-sided "Migrants & Refugees" segment.

[–]UnbowedUncucked 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

Half the nation don't watch him. His audience is a niche demographic which already 100% shares his opinion and pre-conceived notions. I can't imagine many working class Rust-belt Trump supporters watching John Oliver either way.

[–]Talpss 360ポイント361ポイント  (41子コメント)

To be fair, I'm sure plenty of white children thought they couldn't become President after 2008. /s

[–]ChrisHarperMercer 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

this will be the first white president to a lot of young people

[–]js1652 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, my daughter's a loon. I'm not sure she should be president.

[–]norman668 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's extra-ridiculous because the belief that a female president is entirely possible is one of the reasons Hillary lost voters.

To expand; a lot of younger people believe that a female president is entirely within reason at this point. In this view it's not something they need to fight for, or to make happen; it's something that will happen as-and-when.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with this viewpoint, just pointing out that it exists. It's one of the reasons the "Female President!" campaign standpoint didn't get as much traction as you might've expected in some circles.

[–]azriel777 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have zero doubt a female president could win, it just that Hillary is the absolute worse candidate to run for it and playing the "Vote for her because she is a woman that will break the glass ceiling and if you don't vote for her your are a sexist pig" card, is a great way to push away male voters. With that said, I cannot think of any female candidates that would make a good president off the top of my head, then again I can't think of many male ones either.

[–]SamSafari 62ポイント63ポイント  (3子コメント)

In his mind, Hillary Clinton becoming president is going to end sexism as Obama becoming president was going to end racism--very shortsighted if you ask me

[–]Babill 42ポイント43ポイント  (1子コメント)

At which point I remembered why I stopped watching his shows and closed the window. No thanks, Oliver. Also, you come from a country with a queen and a female prime minister (who isn't even the first in your history), how the fuck does hillary Clinton becoming president change anything, you moron?

[–]HotStreak000 108ポイント109ポイント  (12子コメント)

I honestly lost a little bit of respect for John Oliver when he said that: "The Washington Post gave good coverage of this campaign." I'm not even a big trump person but they were super biased! Terrible journalism from the Post.

[–]KrisBook 117ポイント118ポイント  (21子コメント)

Hillary had many more issues than "she failed to appeal to white rural low income voters".

She failed in gaining Hispanic support, she failed in gaining African-American support. She was under 5 ongoing investigations throughout her campaign. She rigged the primaries, and she rigged the debates. She had multiple health episodes in public. She had completely opposite positions in private compared to in public.

The list goes on and on, and John Oliver would never mention a single negative thing about Hillary. "well she lost because racism" is not a valid criticism of one of the most historic failed presidential campaigns.

[–]ColorsByVest 1523ポイント1524ポイント  (118子コメント)

After hearing Dave Chappelle's incredible down-to-earth take on the election, how he still wielded a clever mix of humor with some inspirational wisdom, Oliver's perspective is just unwatchable in comparison. Chappelle made it very clear that he was disappointed with the result, but conveyed an inspiring message of strength that it is our duty as citizens to unite and be good to one another.

Oliver just sounds like he's on day five of waking up triggered. I get that he's still in a state of shock and anger, yet while I previously respected him for his eloquent and humorous presentation of facts, I can't stand him when his words are driven primarily by emotion. He glossed over a ton of factors contributing to Clinton's defeat, and is still touting the divisive "he was elected because racists" line that actually hurt Clinton by disenfranchising on-the-fence voters. There is a ton of information he could have worked with, but unfortunately, he has a strong liberal contingent of viewers to appease (which he admits to in this episode), and clearly he opted to present the narrative they wanted to hear.

Not the narrative they needed to hear.

This episode is a complete miss. He tells us to support various newspapers that coincide with his personal political views, cites Buzzfeed as a valid news source*, and is perpetuating ridiculous scare tactics to such a degree that it's absurd.

* Edit - Buzzfeed News. Not Buzzfeed. Buzzfeed News is apparently a legit source. So nevermind that, looks like I learned something new today.

I've seen a few other episodes where Oliver attempts to handle the election, and they also had their flaws. But the flaws weren't glaring, and he at least didn't tell his audience to be scared. He can still cover the topic and not sound like an irritating whiny pundit. He's got the chops to do it. He levied much criticism against Clinton in the past, and now that the election proves that Clinton was unpopular with the American citizens, he has much more justification to go further down that route. But instead, he made a conscious choice to give her a pass, and patronize to our fears and paranoia. So now nothing of value is to be learned, and we don't come out of this better people. We come out of this afraid.

This week clearly tested the integrity of Oliver's presentation style, and unfortunately, it broke. He went full patronizing over-simplifying panic-inciting pundit. I hope Oliver snaps out of it and his head clears up. I hope we get material he writes when he's more fresh and less emotionally charged. Because if this episode is indicative of what Last Week Tonight will be like in the future, then the show is effectively over for me.

[–]Kalarian_Reborn 62ポイント63ポイント  (12子コメント)

What criticism did he levy against Clinton? The only time I saw even a little was when he said her emails weren't a big deal and then poured raisins on his desk.

[–]Elprede007 373ポイント374ポイント  (40子コメント)

Used to respect this guy until the last time he did a Trump tear down. He used flakey sources and sometimes wouldn't tell both sides of the truth. I don't support Trump anymore nor did I at the time. I always listens to the left and right sides of media so I can decide for myself what to believe, not just what one side tells me to. But John Fucking Oliver is an arrogant ass and I was so mad in the first minute that he couldn't be professional like every other media symbol who has gone over this. Maybe HBO wants it this way? But I think Oliver has more control over this than that. He's a joke and his jokes are repetitive and boring after 3 episodes once you catch on to his joke formula

[–]jeraggie 921ポイント922ポイント  (66子コメント)

Oliver should be mad at the DNC. They blew this election.

They took for granted a huge part of their voting base. Most importantly they sacrificed the party's integrity to elevate Hillary Clinton who was possibly one of the most unlikable people in politics.

[–]sudevsen 350ポイント351ポイント  (38子コメント)

As a Hillary voter I agree.They had a bad campaign and spent too much time making Hillary the anti Trump instead of having her own message.

She is like a PG13 movie that is bland and boring while Trump is like some gore porn schlock movie where the nastier it is,the more enjoyment the audience gets.

[–]twistedmind25 190ポイント191ポイント  (27子コメント)

She's a 60% positive movie that even the people who liked it say "good enough". People watch it once and move on.

He's a 50% mixed movie where the people who liked it think it was the best shit ever and the others hate it. The ones who liked it can't get enough of it.

[–]sudevsen 89ポイント90ポイント  (20子コメント)

yep,she is like an Ice Age movie - its all right.

He is a cult classic where you are either a fanboy or a hater(think Boondock Saints or Sharknedo)

[–]culegflori 37ポイント38ポイント  (2子コメント)

They had a bad campaign and spent too much time making Hillary the anti Trump instead of having her own message.

I don't think that would have helped unfortunately, there's a reason why she lost in 2008 against a virtually unknown young black guy with a silver tongue despite being one of the best-known politicians in the US. As much as she wanted to be, her complete lack of charisma and willingness to mingle with people [like Bill does, he's so good and natural at it too!] means she could only fulfill administrative roles and no high-profile positions that require a public election.

[–]dtrmp4 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

Isn't it amazing that no one in power...uh realized that until after the election? I mean damn. No one wanted either candidate, but the left still picked someone worse than Donald Trump

Dan Carlin says it very well: It was an unpopularity contest, and Hillary Clinton won.

[–]EePluribusUnum 79ポイント80ポイント  (18子コメント)

This KKK talk is a brand of Reductio ad Hitlerum in my opinion. I think what they are suggesting is that the KKK 'identifies' with Trump's policies, thus Trump MUST be the leader of the KKK or some bullshit. I think that is their insidious aim by perpetuating this easily Trumpable meme. Nobody wants to be associated with the KKK, their members or their ideas. So trying to stick a KKK pin on your opponent seems pretty damning.

Thankfully, most people see it for what it is. Trump can't control who backs him, the KKK stuff just doesn't stick. As say, a picture of the candidate kissing a prestigious member of the KKK, or video footage of him/her endorsing a Grand Dragon's positive traits. That might be more effective.

edit:a word

[–]not_stoned 278ポイント279ポイント  (6子コメント)

Damn, people were making of fun him saying he'd bitch about the Electoral College, not talk about the DNC corruption, ignore his own role in the creating the media bubble and blame everything on racism & sexism.

They were spot on. This dude is cartoon lol.

[–]sennhauser 99ポイント100ポイント  (8子コメント)

Imagine how this guy would go apeshit about the republican protesters if Hillary had won.

[–]Lamb-and-Lamia 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why Trump won (being serious here). The left got too confident. Simple as that. Lets face it, even if you yourself don't belong wholly to one party or the other, all of us lean in one of the directions. Even the "fuck the government" people, when you actually break down what they believe you can tell which party would better suit them. The left/right divide, as stupid as it is in my opinion, is absolutely real. And both sides, including us the people who compose the parties, are always trying to consume the other.

I heard a quote the other day on Bill Maher, where Eric Holder, previous attorney general under Obama made the statement that "In this new world we don't listen to the other side, we push our side" and he owned that statement, he wasn't observing, he was prescribing. Now, at first it really made me mad that he said that. But in reality he is 100% right. That IS exactly how we function. We don't give a shit about the other side. We're right, we know it, fuck the other side for being stupid, for being racist, for being too PC, for being capitalist, for being socialist, etc. And what happened here was simply that.

There's two ways to look towards the future. Either we maintain this divide and just be more strategic about how vocal we are. Or we maybe try and scale back the divide. Like take a step back from your identity politics, and use some critical thinking. Either way if you are unhappy that Trump won, the answer for you, should not be to point at how bad everyone else. Look at yourself. And I don't even mean in regards to backing of Clinton, who was a DEEPLY flawed candidate. I mean in regards to your actual platform. Really think about what values you think are important, and trim the fat off your platform. Is it more important to you that all people have healthcare? Or are you just here to make sure a transexual is referred to by the right pronoun? Want a safety blanket in society where we all help out the poor and make sure no one goes hungry? Well than we need to secure our borders. Because you can't get both. Sorry you just can't. Its basic math. Its a hard pill to swallow for some, but you do not own the country, you share it with people you hate. You have to find common ground whether you like it or not.

So enough of the "What happened??" You happened. You decided that you were going to transform the entire country into your microcosm and you were reminded of just how out of step you are from general society. Nothing "happened". Nothing changed. You bit off more than you could handle. So my sincere message to those on the left: Next time take smaller bites.

And another thing with the apocalyptic talk. I realize that to many who voice that sentiment, you were likely 12-14 when Obama became president, but for the first 4 years he didn't do much. So all this CHANGE that you somehow can't do without, has only existed for 4 years. So yes people.... the horror show you are recoiling in fear from was how life was 4 years ago. 4 measly years ago, when life still functioned, gays could still be gay, welfare still existed, transexuals still existed, abortions still took place, the vast vast majority of the country was still working, eating, going to the doctor, living life. Drama literally helps nothing. Reason is King. Always.

[–]XZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ 2008ポイント2009ポイント  (207子コメント)

Sorry Oliver but you just come across as a complete condescending asshole which is half the reason the election went this way. I'm a proud liberal and I think Russell Brand's post election analysis and solutions are far more on the money.

[–]apparex1234 361ポイント362ポイント  (34子コメント)

[–]notRedditingInClass 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

This video needs to be forcibly broadcast on all televisions, phones, etc. for the next year.

[–]Rebelduck 50ポイント51ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man i need to share this with quite a few people.

[–]StraightOuttaMoney 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

He hits the nail on the head.

[–]kamon123 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yup. All these combined is a damn good assessment of the shit the left needs to clean up if it wants to win.

[–]apparex1234 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

From what I see, the media is just doubling down on their pre election bullshit. Not gonna help.

[–]Accountdeesnuts 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The smug style in American liberalism

This article expands on the failure of the left to communicate properly and the division that arose from the lack of discussion between the two sides (both have the problem, but the left is more vocal and present in culture and media)

"The smug style, at bottom, is a failure of empathy. Further: It is a failure to believe that empathy has any value at all. It is the notion that anybody worthy of liberal time and attention and respect must capitulate, immediately, to the Good Facts. If they don't (and they won't) you're free to write them off and mock them. When they suffer, it's their just desserts. Make no mistake: I am not suggesting that liberals adopt a fuzzy, gentler version of their politics. I am not suggesting they compromise their issues for the sake of playing nice. What I am suggesting is that the battles waged by liberalism have drifted far away from their old egalitarian intentions."

[–]NefariousBanana 129ポイント130ポイント  (34子コメント)

Damn, I didn't think I'd be agreeing with Russell Brand, but here I am.

Trump is the wrong answer to the right question.

[–]weirdmonkeyfolk 66ポイント67ポイント  (4子コメント)

Russell Brand has been on point for years. Everyone thinks he's an idiot because there's been a systematic effort to discredit him by essentially all mainstream media, because he's dedicated himself to exposing corruption in mainstream media.

[–]cocobandicoot 145ポイント146ポイント  (55子コメント)

This was a good viewpoint.

[–]SomeCalcium 392ポイント393ポイント  (54子コメント)

To be entirely fair, they're not even talking about the same thing.

Since the election happened, there's been a lot of armchair analysis about why Trump beat Clinton. You can chalk it up to a lot of things - how broken the Electoral College is; how Clinton ignored part of the country and Trump didn't; how Clinton was playing identity politics while Trump was playing class warfare; or, to Brand's point, that people already have it shitty and telling them that they're going to keep things the same is a bad strategy.

This is all well and good, but I think Oliver's point is pretty salient. Just because he's your future President, doesn't mean that you have to be okay with the things he does. It doesn't magically wash away the way the things he said, or make him any less of a hypocrite by expecting polite decorum from voters when just a week ago he was fanning flames of political revolt.

Oliver is telling his audience not to get complacent. And that's not really a bad thing.

[–]Joshtopher_Biggins 188ポイント189ポイント  (22子コメント)

Yeah Oliver focused more on "what do we do now" rather than "how did this happen"

I don't think there's anything original left to say about the latter. Jonathan Pie's take is my personal favorite

[–]treein303 78ポイント79ポイント  (6子コメント)

I tried to get in touch with John Oliver's writers. They're all on Twitter. Last December I created a video called "Facebook's Frightening Influence on Election 2016" and hoped his team would watch. They didn't address Facebook political page clickbait until 5 days after the election :/

Here's the video: https://youtu.be/ZZlxLKT6LEg.

[–]_OCCUPY_MARS_ 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep Russel had a great level headed, logic analysis of the realities that caused the election results and how to move forward.

One of the best post election videos I've seen from the left.

[–]sometimescash 306ポイント307ポイント  (30子コメント)

Can we for once take responsibility on the left without bringing up the right or any other excuse? If you're wrong, acted wrong, wrongly accuse, wrongly assumed, own up to your own shit.

[–]UnbowedUncucked 195ポイント196ポイント  (17子コメント)

Are we out of touch? No, it is everyone else who is wrong. And racist.

-The Left, Current Year

[–]jtdusk 202ポイント203ポイント  (164子コメント)

I don't think there's any one particular thing to blame. End of the day, it comes down to the candidates, both were disliked so much that if the opposing party had put up somebody who was even half decent they would have won this election by a good 10-15 million votes.

[–]JuanDeLasNieves_ 267ポイント268ポイント  (78子コメント)

The thing is that when you look at the numbers, Trump got roughly as many votes as Romney had and one million more than McCain, yet Hillary got 60 million votes, compared to Obama's 69 and 65 in 2008 and 2012.

If Trump was disliked he would've gotten less votes but he got as many votes as you would expect a republican would get. So its not that Trump was disliked, it's moreso that Hillary wasn't good.

[–]emily_waves 220ポイント221ポイント  (18子コメント)

I don't really agree.

The DNC and Hillary are largely to blame. And it's important people realize this. Both of them colluded and cheated in the primaries. They effectively took away their parties right to fair elections for representation - and then arrogantly demanded that people accept it, and fall and line and vote for them. They arrogantly replaced Debbie W as a concession and show of goodwill to the voters they fucked over, only to replace her with Donna Brazille who helped rig the debates.

They completely demoralized their voter base. Even worse, they didn't let their people choose who the best candidate was. They blindly chose Hillary, and ignored Bernies insanely important gains in areas that Trump would end up winning in. They crushed a movement full of actual excitement (similar to Obama's movement) - in favor for a candidate with a ton of baggage and who people generally didn't like, and was not excited for.

And now Hillary wants to blame this on Comey. Not the bad decisions her campaign made (her arrogantly ignoring the white middle working class, despite Bills pleas to do so - which were shut down). And liberals want to point the blame on "white people". Fuck white people etc. Feminists want to blame it on white women (traitors). Everyone else is being blamed, and liberals are doubling down on attacking future voters - and accusing them of being immoral and evil. Accusing them of being uneducated, and racist.

But they refuse to look at the blame where it belongs - the DNC and Clinton.

Not to mention, the media does share a lot of the blame. This election has exposed how corrupt as fuck the media is. How much they made it their job to elect Hillary and stop being journalists. And in the heat of that, they created an echo chamber, and bought into false narratives. They did immense damage on this election. They were arrogant to the voters that would turn around and prove them wrong (so they fueled the fire). They made Hillary supporters complacent, by constantly ensuring people that she was guaranteed to win. Most importantly, they created Donald Trump for ratings. Because he brought in views.

You don't then get to say "no one is really to blame". There is plenty of blame to go around. And the reason we should recognize this blame - is so that we can fix the problems and make sure it doesn't happen again. But currently in the party, there is an effort to blame voters. And this is a major mistake.

[–]puertojuno 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely. There is no one to blame but the Clinton-led DNC and Clinton herself. Bernie made her support some of his policies and talk about policy, but once the they fixed the primary (NY voter purge, NV caucus bullshit, AZ poll closings, PR poll closings, stacked primary schedule--southern states voting first, cancelling of agreed upon debate, fewer debates, feeding debate Qs to HRC via Donna Brazile, and other media coordination) and gave it to Hillary, she RARELY mentioned Flint, Wall Street reform, BLM, green energy, or the housing crisis. She just figured those people owed it to her and since she's not Donald Trump, they had to vote for her. On top of all that, she's fake as hell, condescending, and an obvious tool bag for her donors. #itwasher

[–]AnotherPint 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

This post should be higher. Perhaps you would come and do a cameo on my FB feed and explain the situation to my enraged liberal activist friends who blame all white people, between Hitler references.

[–]FarageIsMyWaifu 62ポイント63ポイント  (8子コメント)

Trump got more votes than Obama(2012) in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and North Carolina(Romney). He lost heavily in deep blue states which is why there is a discrepancy in electoral college and popular vote.

[–]sennhauser 194ポイント195ポイント  (26子コメント)

Did this guy seriously critizise CNN for showing Trump's speeches as a whole? In other words, the candidate you don't like needs to have his speeches edited and spoonfed to the viewers, but only the parts that you agree on.

[–]FionaSeesInColor 126ポイント127ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think he was criticizing free publicity when they were not doing the same for other candidates.

[–]Augustus_Caesar1 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was unknowingly criticizing the fact the DNC was collaborating with the media to get him elected as the nominee. Again the DNCs fault for telling CNN what to do.

They really did screw up beyond what was thought to be possible.

[–]somewhatunclear 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Clinton wasnt exactly giving press releases left and right. I dont know that she wanted the publicity.

In any case it would be absurd to suppose that the media was pro-trump.

[–]tslj 523ポイント524ポイント  (131子コメント)

Keep insisting that your side lost because the other half of the country is racist and sexist. That'll get people on your side. Good luck winning next election.

[–]ObjectiveMonky 101ポイント102ポイント  (34子コメント)

Where's this whole "The Electoral College makes no sense" thing coming from? I've been hearing it all God damn week. What's not to understand, I understood it in the 5th grade, why can't you? If it weren't for the system in place, the big cities, which all tend to swing left, would decide the presidency, leaving rural places like Kansas and south Dakota SOL. Just because your team didn't win, doesn't mean we start rewriting the rule book.

And I think John and other Democratic voters I've talked to have spent so much time laughing and ridiculing trump supporters that they never took the time to figure out why they were voting for him. It's not because they hate women, black people, and the LGBT community. They just want change. It happens every 12 years at most. 1/3 of Americans are sick of the way things are and decide that it's time to shake shit up. What better way than to elect the wild card himself? People don't even know what the change is gonna be, they just know it's gotta be better than whatever this shitty year has been. /rant

Edit: To clarify, I know most people understand the system, and maybe I don't understand it as well as I think. It just feels like most of the complaining is reactionary. I'm fairly young, and I don't really identify with either of the major parties, so maybe I've missed some rumblings of this , but I feel like we've never had this conversation until Trump was elected.

[–]ich_habe_keine_kase 27ポイント28ポイント  (11子コメント)

Well, don't forget that he didn't grow up here, so he didn't get taught about the electoral college in grade school and get used to it over the course of his life. And you've gotta admit, when a candidate wins over half the popular vote but loses the election, it's makes you want to go "wait, why do we do it like this?"

[–]brandonbui 272ポイント273ポイント  (13子コメント)

LOL, John Oliver's arguments boil down to replaying biased clips from CNN. CNN. He's lost it. Even Jon Stewart would have never done that without at least mocking CNN.

He's got zero self-awareness and is basically just preaching to his elitist HBO bubble.

And he asks people to donate to "newspapers" like the Washington Post.

http://fair.org/home/washington-post-ran-16-negative-stories-on-bernie-sanders-in-16-hours/

Remember that time the Washington Compost printed 16 anti-Bernie articles in the span of 16 hours?

John oliver is just asking people to straight up give money to Jeff Bezos. What a hack.

[–]kickascii 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

John actually implied CNN was too good to Trump, and said one of the worst things CNN did was to play Trump speeches. Then showed a clip of the head of CNN saying they should have edited the speeches. They are just full on unapologetic propaganda.

[–]9inety9ine 324ポイント325ポイント  (33子コメント)

Keep fueling that divide, John. You're doing a great job.

[–]TheUnchosenWon 153ポイント154ポイント  (8子コメント)

Remember when the Clinton team tried to get people to think pepe the frog was a racist nazi symbol? Even CTR thought it was so ridiculous that they ended up just downvoting anything that had to do with it so people would forget it. Good times. Also, John Oliver show is terrible

[–]jubbergun 56ポイント57ポイント  (2子コメント)

Remember when the Clinton team tried to get people to think pepe the frog was a racist nazi symbol?

They even went so far as to rope the ADL and SPLC into putting Pepe on their watch lists to cover up the fact that Hillary and her team don't understand the internet. It was hilarious, and showed just how little some groups can be trusted.

[–]seoulsun 447ポイント448ポイント  (22子コメント)

One of the worst takes on the election.

Even Maher's reaction and thoughts were far better than this.

Just terribly biased and full of "the world is ending" tripe.

Expected better.

[–]ownage516 152ポイント153ポイント  (17子コメント)

Did he just tell me to buy a new York times subscription? Is that really going to help the media problem. While I didn't agree with everything he said, I lost some respect when he said that.

[–]Northern_Ontario 94ポイント95ポイント  (11子コメント)

If you watched another one of his shows he talked about how print media is one of the few media sources that actually do research and pay people to do it. He then showed how news media just copy and pastes print media and shows it on tv. It was a good piece. If you don't like new york times donate to your local paper. Print media matters.

[–]CMViper 311ポイント312ポイント  (55子コメント)

That ending was cathartic. Never have I wanted a year as shitty as this to come to an end.

[–]nyan_swanson 215ポイント216ポイント  (2子コメント)

I love that amongst all these people saying "Fuck 2016!" Weird Al stays clean like he always does.

[–]beer_down 148ポイント149ポイント  (15子コメント)

Kevin Durant going to Golden State was a pretty chickenshit move

[–]The_GMD 62ポイント63ポイント  (5子コメント)

Don't let that distract you from the fact that the Warriors blew a 3-1 lead.

[–]beer_down 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

Don't let that distract you from the fact that the Indians blew a 3-1 lead.

[–]PancakePartyAllNight 66ポイント67ポイント  (12子コメント)

I could watch 2016 getting blown up over and over and over again. Worst year of my life globally, and privately.

🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕2016🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

[–]ass_kicker32 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

Agreed. 2013 when my mom died was bad, but my dad packing up and selling the house I grew up in to move in with his new wife was fucked.

Also got broken up with

Dog died

Had some large medical bills

Other fucked up shit

[–]BboyEdgyBrah 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

dont worry man, 2017 is gonna be your year. just trust me on this. and if it's shit again imma send you 50 bucks in a year.

[–]ZeGoldMedal 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

My whole fucking year has been shit personally, and it's just been echoed in the rest of the world. Everything about this year can go fuck itself. That ending was so goddamn cathartic. I could have watched that video of people saying fuck 2016 go on for another hour.

[–]perfectsnowball 53ポイント54ポイント  (9子コメント)

Instead of showing our daughters that they too can one day become president, we decided to elect a blah, blah, blah

It's 2016 and people think being female is more than enough qualification to become president.

[–]SnazzyD 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

He did the same thing when he tried to humanize the Syrian "refugee" crisis, focusing in on one little girl with a positive attitude and a warm smile. She sure is nice, but that's propaganda bait...

[–]Krytan 35ポイント36ポイント  (6子コメント)

This video is a perfect example of why Trump won and why liberals never saw it coming.

John Oliver hits every single check box in terms of demeaning, insulting, demonizing, and dehumanizing Trump and those who supported and voted for him.

It's nothing but smears and character assassinations, lies delivered with a smugly condescending haze of moral superiority.

Lets go through his video point by point

1) Says Trump is racist, voted in by racists

2) Says anyone who voted against Hillary is a sexist who wants Americas daughters to be sad

3) Complains that Trump has access to Nuclear codes, ignoring that it is Hillary who is most likely to start a nuclear war with Russia due to her idiotic Syria policy

4) Tries to guilt by association all 60 million Americans who voted for Trump because some members of the KKK supported Trump (and were disavowed) and some supported Hillary.

5) Whines about the electoral college. We're not a direct democracy, we are a republic. Hillary got more votes than Obama in 2008 primary - does this make Obama illegitimate?

6) Tries to denormalize Trump and his supporters. Explicit othering and dehumanizing.

7) Compares Trump and his supporters to Satan

8) Says Trump and his supporters are sexist again

9) Says Trump voters are racist again

10) Says Trump won because the media weren't tough enough on him and really didn't make it sufficiently clear how much they hated him(ROFL). This in a year the media pulled out all the stops, abandoned every pretence at objectivity, and did every single thing in their power to pull Clinton across the finish line, running any wild thinly-sourced or flat out incorrect anti-Trump story they could get their hands on, and killing, covering up, or downplaying any anti-Clinton news.

11) Immediately after, wonders why trust in media is at an all time low!!

12) Mocks Trumps appearance

13)Acts as though no one could possibly react to Trumps election with anything other than nausea

Nothing but scorn and derision and mockery, all around. It gets so tiresome typing up a careful refutation of each of his careless, irresponsible slanders against decent people, thrown out before a sympathetic and sycophantic audience to score cheap laughs at the expense of all those maligned peasants and rubes in flyover America.

Maybe they just got sick of all the lies and condescension?

He makes some slightly good points in there near the end, but the beginning of his show completely belies those points.

I've read a lot of retrospectives by Democrats, many of them raising many good points : why did they run a criminal candidate? Why not Bernie Sanders? Why not Warren? Why did they abandon the working class? Why was their candidate so joined at the hip to our financial elite? How did the republican candidate become the one against foreign wars and interventions? and on and on and on

John Oliver's "How did we get here" retrospective has....none of that. Just smug moral superiority. It's probably the least self-aware and least introspective one I've seen.

[–]solidbatman 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not even a Trump supporter and you are spot on. The Democrats have shown in the past few days that they simply are clueless as to why they lost this.

[–]Rauqen 874ポイント875ポイント  (440子コメント)

LoL John blames the "media" but doesn't take any blame himself. I figure he would apologize or at least be a little introspective.

[–]cocobandicoot 223ポイント224ポイント  (19子コメント)

Uh, he did. He talked about how everyone is getting their news from "echo chambers," where we just want to read about what we want to hear (like here on Reddit). Here's a link to the exact moment of his show where he did say this.

This show has a viewpoint. We fact check everything we say, but I don't pretend to be neutral...

He also said that even just sharing this very video wasn't enough for people to warrant as their source of news.

[–]beer_down 97ポイント98ポイント  (4子コメント)

He didn't ignore the issue. He acknowledged that he has his own biases and that Democratic sources have spread lies just like Republican ones have.