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[–]Oblargag [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Im sure this thread will be filled with healthy and constructive discussion

[–]therock21 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Every time I see a post from /r/conservative on or near the front page of /r/all I'm so surprised. The first posts that made it were bashing on Hillary during the democrat primary.

Seeing them make it again is just awesome. Even if it will lead to arguments in the comments.

[–]kwishn [スコア非表示]  (47子コメント)

do you guys not realize that there are retards on both sides? like sure there are people who calls anyone who disagrees with them racists on the liberal side, there are sure as shit also racists on the conservative side. The point is making blanket statements and stereotyping people based on their political beliefs is what you are complaining about in this post but you are doing the same thing by saying all liberals call people racist. I hope this is an attempt at humor but this type of shit from both sides is why America is getting so hateful on both sides. this is all coming from someone from outside of the U.S.

[–]ErectileDysfunky [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The United States doesn't want to be united. Both sides are wrong in generalizing groups of people to push their own rhetoric. No, not all liberal (including myself) think all conservatives are racist. I think anyone has the ability to be racist, not just someone with a different political view than me. The only liberals you are seeing are those protesting in the streets. What about all of the families who are sitting at home, accepting the election and hoping we can work this out for the betterment of America?

[–]koobstylz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's hard to even say things moderately these days. I've been called an sjw just for explaining liberal viewpoints. Views i disagree with. Good forbid you say anything positive about trump's 100 day plan Smh. Everybody (on both sides) is so quick to assume that sharing any view with a side means you automatically represent the worst of the side.

[–]dogbookend [スコア非表示]  (38子コメント)

like sure there are people who calls anyone who disagrees with them racists on the liberal side, there are sure as shit also racists on the conservative side.

Double down on this winning strategy for 2018 please.

Your nominee belonged to an all white country club for 9 years and called KKK leader Robert Byrd a mentor till the end of his life. Fucking amazing to think that people believe there aren't racist democrats.

[–]DoobieHauserMC [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Byrd explicitly renounced those views years ago, called joining the KKK the worst mistake of his life. Went on to fight for civil rights and died with the NAACP calling him a "champion for civil rights and liberties". Amazing that people can't bother to do a minute of actual research.

[–]dogbookend [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Trump left the reform party 16 years ago because David Duke was in it and I had to hear about David Duke loving Trump for a year and him not repudiating him. Trump opened him his clubs to african-americans and jews when it was unheard of, and was praised by Jesse Jackson for being a champion of African-american rights.

Maybe it has less to do with what you do and the party you're a member of that determines whether you're called racist.

[–]DoobieHauserMC [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Jackson also has said a couple months ago that Trump is not the same person he knew back then when he made those remarks. And we still have the KKK praising and endorsing Trump now, and he has yet to denounce them.

Maybe people's opinions change when they see what you're currently doing as opposed to decades ago.

[–]dogbookend [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Of course he's a different person, he's a republican now.

[–]DoobieHauserMC [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Great argument! Nothing to say so you throw a lil insult at liberals as a whole.

[–]dogbookend [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This entire comment thread started with:

like sure there are people who calls anyone who disagrees with them racists on the liberal side, there are sure as shit also racists on the conservative side.

[–]CPru [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Never the same person when running against your party amirite? Trump was an atheist his whole life and a libertarian leaning dem, but he found Jesus coincidentally last June!

[–]BrighamYoung [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

Fucking amazing to think that people believe there aren't racist democrats.

Especially when half of their rhetoric is white shaming.

[–]Siliceously_Sintery [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

Says the Mormon username.

When did god change his mind about black people again?

[–]BrighamYoung [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

...and here comes the idiotic ad hominem.

I'm an atheist, but this really isn't about me now, is it?

[–]Siliceously_Sintery [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Nah, it's about all those blanket liberals.

I'm just fighting fire with fire, your Appeal to Probability is just as idiotic.

[–]Blah_and_Order [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Here's an experiment! Pretend to be a conservative (if you aren't already one) and get into as many debates with liberals as you can. Don't be a dick. Just state your views and provide facts. Make a column labeled, "liberals that did not revert to personal attacks" and another labeled, "liberals who did revert to personal attacks," and then mark tallies under the appropriate ones as you go along. I bet that the column labeled, "liberals who did revert to personal attacks" will have significantly more tallies than the other.

[–]Spidertech500 [スコア非表示]  (31子コメント)

Holy shit, where did all these lefty's come from.

[–]Jabacasm [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

Your post is on /all. Also, it's kind of a shit post. The idea of this post is the following:

1) Liberals shut down arguments by calling you racist.

2) Racism isn't an actual problem.

The trouble is that this post shuts down the validity of liberal arguments because it claims that we're race baiting. It's the exact same net effect.

And racism is actually still a problem. I know Conservatives don't like when bigotry is brought up, but we aren't suddenly a country where bigotry doesn't have political power. We just legalized homosexual marriage. This isn't a time in our history when we have utterly conquered racism and bigotry in our political discourse.

Though, in your defense, the race card has been too easily abused. The problem isn't exclusively on the right.

Not trying to pick a fight. I'm just answering your question.

[–]Gnokey [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

The message isn't that racism isn't an actual problem, it is that a lot of people need to hear the story of the boy who cried wolf or we'll eventually get to a place where that actually is the case.

Also,

bigotry

ˈbɪɡətri/

noun

intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.

"the difficulties of combating prejudice and bigotry"

[–]Kuftubby [スコア非表示]  (101子コメント)

Shit like this is the reason conservatives get stereotyped as bigots and idiots.

[–]LtDylanJames [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Lol tell that to the liberal rioters smashing car windows of working Americans all over the country.

Now I gotta take time off work to get my car window fixed out of my own pocket because you liberals didn't have your way.

[–]Kuftubby [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Yes, because all liberals are out rioting, that makes complete sense.

[–]LtDylanJames [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

And all conservatives are bigots. Nice argument.

Still gotta fix my window. Thanks, liberal.

[–]Kuftubby [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Nice reaching. But hey, keep up the partisanship, it's clearly working!

Protip: Calling someone a liberal doesn't automatically make them a liberal all of a sudden.

[–]A_perfect_sonnet [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's also not an insult, no matter how much the echo chambers of the Internet use it as one.

[–]Kuftubby [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I always think it's funny when it gets used as one. The ultimate "how dare you think different than me" mentality.

[–]zphobic [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Also when the KKK and white supremacists support the conservative candidate, to his shocked denial that he even knows who David Duke is.

[–]SailingThroughLife [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Donald Trump is not a true conservative.

[–]zphobic [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

I agree with you, but what about the sixty million people that voted for him?

[–]SailingThroughLife [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I don't think they were all white supremacists or racist. I think a large amount of them voted for him simply because he was not Hillary Clinton.

[–]zphobic [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Oh, I was asking: Are they conservatives?

[–]SailingThroughLife [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry I misinterpreted your comment. For the most part no, we are a very small faction of the Republican Party. However, I do think a lot of us held our nose and voted for Trump.

[–]Codebender [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think most of them were not voting for Conservatism, but against Democrats, against Hillary, and against Obama.

More importantly, what about the registered Republicans who nominated Trump over more conservative candidates? Again, they were voting against the GOP political machine that failed to prevent Obama from doing anything. Conservatism clearly wasn't the guiding principle in either case.

I think a lot of people may have let spite get the better of their judgement, because these are people who would not normally vote for a Wall St. billionaire who's not very conservative. Luckily for them, Congress can prevent him from doing much, if necessary.

[–]Roez [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Trump is a racist, therefore anyone who voted for him is a racist!"

That's exactly what the OP is referring to and in case you haven't been paying attention that sentiment is everywhere from the left right now. Not all, but it's very common.

"Hilary is a criminal, therefore anyone who voted for her is a criminal!"

It's the same, stupid type of logic as saying all Trump voters are racist. Is OP being sarcastically overly broad? Sure, it doesn't mean in the real world there's not some measure of truth behind it.

[–]user1492 [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

You're right. Conservatives win so many arguments against liberals that their only resort is name calling.

[–]Kuftubby [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

Dude it's works both ways. That mentality is what is tearing America apart.

[–]user1492 [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

Republicans are not rioting. The last time we disagreed with a political election we sucked it up and kicked ass in the next election.

There is not equal responsibility for this. The left in America is dangerous.

[–]Kuftubby [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

You are literally just proving my point.

[–]user1492 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Explain? Where is the Republican violence? Where were the Republicans calling to #AssassinateObama?

[–]hewhoamareismyself [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/zBIFGTr.jpg

I don't suppose this is just made up then?

[–]user1492 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Peaceful protests are different than violent riots.

[–]gleap [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

You guys did everything you could to screw the country for 8 years then you voted in the hate cheeto.

The history books will not be kind.

[–]user1492 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Disagreeing with the Obama administration's attempts to hurt the country does not mean Republicans were trying to "screw the country."

Also, your knowledge of history is sorely lacking.

[–]unibuckeyeNew Federalist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The day after the election? No. When they started talking about the ACA is when the Tea Party hit the national stage. The IRS took care of them though. Can't wait until they do the same to BLM and watch the left shit barbed wire bricks.

[–]ClintonLiesTroopsDie [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

notice the lack of broken windows and burning flags

[–]alclarkeyHurr Durr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't see anyone beating up Obama voters, starting fires, or wrecking random people's cars and businesses.

[–]LtDylanJames [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

These people are really tearing shit up. /s

What's sad about the contrast with liberals today is that I saw people burning the American flag. These people, man.

Smashing car windows is one thing, but burning the American flag is fucked up.

[–]reddit_on_reddit1st [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Out of curiosity, do you guys truly feel that Trump is good man? Someone to be admired?

[–]eunit8899 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not really. He was just a vessel to defeat Hillary's corruption.

[–]bigdaveyl [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think he is a blow hard and the election of Trump is bittersweet.

[–]LumpyWumpus [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Leftists sure are mad today. They are brigading pretty heavily. Oh well. Scoreboard.

[–]IfinallyhaveaReddit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As an outsider from /all for voted for trump, ya you guys are getting hard by the liberals in here, it's kind funny to watch

[–]johnthekahn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm conservative in almost all things. But I truly believe we need both parties and this polarization is good for nobody. This country works best when we work together and come to compromise. After all this country is made of both conservative and liberals.

[–]Rumold [スコア非表示]  (24子コメント)

There is a lot of racism that isn't "in your face" and explicit racism. Yes, there are some liberals that are too trigger happy with the word racism (See Ben Affleck accusing Sam Harris of being racist, imo), but there is a lot of shit where racsim is a problem and folks don't acknowledge that it plays a part.
Now maybe just calling someone a racist isn't helpful, becasue it is so inflammatory and often missunderstood.
Perhaps more detail or an explanation is necessary.

[–]user1492 [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

There is a lot of racism that isn't "in your face" and explicit racism

And it is incredibly prevalent in the Democrat party.

[–]dogbookend [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

but there is a lot of shit where racsim is a problem and folks don't acknowledge that it plays a part.

Then maybe you should stop calling people racist for being republican and enforcing immigration laws and we can have a reasonable debate.

[–]Rumold [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

"For being republican" this is a bit of an hyperbole or utter by people neither of us takes seriously. On immigration I think it is legitimate to want borders but when Trump says "they are rapists and so on"(I don't recall the exact quote) and so many people cheer I think there is a bit of an racist or xenophobic motivation.

[–]ClintonLiesTroopsDie [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

hes talking specifically about the people whos first act in this country is to illegally break into it.

[–]Rumold [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

If you go by that, yes they are all criminals, but that isn't a good justification to prevent illegal immigration if the immigrants are otherwise okay. Then you'd just want to make it easier for them to come.
His reasoning is that most that are coming are violent criminals and drug dealers, which is from the statistics I have seen not nearly true.

[–]dogbookend [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

He got the statistic about 80% of women migrating here illegally being raped on the journey from places like Huff po:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html

This was a feminist issue until a republican brought it up.

[–]Rumold [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Interesting. To me there is an important difference tho: this is about immigrants being raped. Trump heavily implied that the majority of immigrants are criminals. The article mentions that that the perpetrators are not only other immigrants.

[–]MMO_Addict [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Maybe you should stop calling liberals dumb for disagreeing with the racist aspects (not the entire platform) of the republican party?

[–]You_Are_All_Absurd [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I tend to go with the definition of "If you factor race into your thinking processes."

Especially anyone who tries to "preserve" their race.

[–]juhugafuga [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Ah yes, the good ole make generalizations about generalizations. Tried and true.

[–]OrbitScribe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You're so right, conservatives are always making generalizations about others who make generalizations.

But honestly, isn't that 99% of political discussion these days?

[–]juhugafuga [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah but I wouldn't go so far as to even call it discussion.

[–]Djw245167 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

  1. Any white male

[–]Trents_V [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

For the most part yes. But even an African American who dares to disagree with liberals will be called a racist uncle Tom and a traitor.

[–]_bluebayou_ [スコア非表示]  (47子コメント)

Want to know how to tell if you're being racist?

When the KKK jumps on your bandwagon and celebrates your win.

[–]BrighamYoung [スコア非表示]  (33子コメント)

By that logic Barack Obama is gay.

[–]scartol [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

No, by that logic Barack Obama is supportive of gay power -- just like Trump is supportive of white power.

[–]BrighamYoung [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

That's logically fallacious.

A supports B does not mean that B supports A.

Take a class or something.

[–]Elite_AI [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

It pretty certainly means that A thinks B supports them.

Also, it's you that made the comparison. Aren't you the one who has to take the class?

[–]BrighamYoung [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It pretty certainly means that A thinks B supports them.

That's just simply false. It means they prefer B over C. Just like communists prefer Clinton over Trump... does that make her a communist?

Pro tip: No.

[–]Elite_AI [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It means they prefer B over C

Don't be disingenuous. People do not celebrate if they only chose the lesser of two evils.

Just like communists prefer Clinton over Trump

Kek.

[–]Elite_AI [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

That is not a point you want to make.

Why were gay people celebrating? They hoped Obama would support them.

Why are the KKK celebrating?

[–]BrighamYoung [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Because they preferred Trump. To anyone with a 3-digit IQ, that doesn't necessarily mean Trump supports them, especially when he specifically repudiated their support.

[–]Elite_AI [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Wow, nice ad hominem there! You really like Debate, right?

We've been over this. Clearly they think he does support them. Why else would they prefer him and celebrate?

[–]BrighamYoung [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Clearly they think he does support them. Why else would they prefer him and celebrate?

Because they prefer him over Clinton, just like communists prefer Clinton over Trump. Duh.

[–]Elite_AI [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

False equivalency. What few Communists preferred Clinton were bitter about the whole affair. They would not have celebrated.

But these people? They don't seem so bitter.

[–]BrighamYoung [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

So it's a difference in the strength of their support? Are you even listening to yourself? LOL.

[–]Elite_AI [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Yes. The difference is whether the groups think the candidate supports them, but the strength of support indicates that. Do you have an answer to that? Or are you just going to block me out, the better to listen to yourself?

[–]BrighamYoung [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yes, that's absurd. Logically speaking, "A supports B" does NOT mean that "B supports A", regardless of the the strength of that support. It simply does not follow.

[–]alclarkeyHurr Durr [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Want to know how to tell if you're an asshole? When you forget that your party and the KKK were good friends for close to a century. When you forget that it was a republican president who fought to end slavery, and then the republican party fought for civil rights for the next 100 years.

[–]MMO_Addict [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

And then switched it up to fighting against civil rights for a 100 years just to keep things spicy

[–]alclarkeyHurr Durr [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

No, no they didn't. That's a load of bullshit that's been peddled for the last 52 years.

[–]MMO_Addict [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

uhh stopping all kinds of marriage equality bills and gerrymandering counties in swing states to prevent minority vote ...

[–]inswagwetrust [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Want to know how to tell if you're being racist?

When you write article after article that white people as a group are hateful bigots and extremists for not voting Democrat.

[–]SuggestivelySincere [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You're mixing up the order. People aren't racist for voting for trump. They probably just voted for him because they are racist.

[–]inswagwetrust [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

They probably just voted for him because they are racist winning.

Wow Douglas Wilson was right about the liberal definition of racist!

[–]SuggestivelySincere [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The fact that so many people believe that the possibility of them be labeled a racist is a greater wrong than the effects of racism that minorities will have to cope with under a Trump presidency is pathetic. People write articles about the role of hate in Trump's election because it was at the core of his and his followers' ideologies. Trump energized a hateful group of voters by dog-whistling them and playing up white people's fears of the "other". Racism lies at the core of the result we saw, and it is a privilege to be able to not worry about that. The "I'm not racist" segment of his base is also despised because of their willful ignorance and tacit acceptance of those other people. When you commit a murder, somebody who doesn't report you is an accessory. When institutionalized systems subjugate another group of human beings, you share the guilt when you act as an accessory. Your ignorance is showing fam.

[–]Sengura [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This post triggered me and you are literally a Nazi for posting it.

I must retreat to my safe space!

[–]LongGuitarSolo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I've had a long and storied history of opinions about Doug Wilson, but some of his quotes are great:

"Atheists have two principles: one, that god does not exist. Two, I hate him."

"The liberal Left want you to know two things. The first is that everyone has a right to voice their ideas. The second is shut up."

[–]darryh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Reading these, he just comes off as the sort of guy spitting out platitudes disguised as wit, condensed down into easily-digested nuggets suitable for posting to your Facebook. There's a formula to it.

[–]OrbitScribe [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'm liberal leaning and I lol'd.

Nice one.

These whiny, safe spaced university crybabies are really not doing us any favours. I especially like it when they start screaming in the middle of a civilized discussion.

[–]Siliceously_Sintery [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because that happens all the time.

You know what happened when I debated trump supporters?

Banned and called a shill from like 5 different subs.

Safe space isn't just for SJWs.

[–]D4rthLink [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

These whiny, safe spaced university crybabies are really not doing us any favours. I especially like it when they start screaming in the middle of a civilized discussion.

/r/thatHappened

[–]ixiduffixi [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No, it's because ignorant conservatives who generalize with statements like this tend to be mildly racist. Not every conservative is racist just like every liberal isn't an SJW crybaby. Speech like this makes things worse, not better.

[–]Melstead [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Stephen Colbert had it right on his first show. He used to preface any argument about racism with, ""I'm color blind, I can't see skin color.", and the audience would laugh. Even though his character was based on the wacky side of American conservatism, he still managed to avoid this Racist Labelling Mess.

Let's all just become color blind, on purpose.

Watch how well Stephen Colberts dances around any labels from Bill O'Reilly.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QquTUR9nbC4

[–]blackthumb66 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol wut. Colbert was making fun of conservatives when he said that stuff bro. That was the whole point of his character.

[–]DyedInkSun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That is what racists do though...

>It especially annoys me when racists are accused of 'discrimination.' The ability to discriminate is a precious faculty; by judging all members on one 'race' to be the same, the racist precisely shows himself incapable of discrimination.

Hitchens

Racist: "All Kenyans are Muslims"

Racist:"all brown people who live in the south are Mexicans "

[–]genryaku [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ironically I've only ever been called racist by Trump supporters on reddit. And this is no joke, once I literally got called racist because I brought up the Central Park Five case where Trump took out an ad calling for the capital punishment to be brought back for the 5 black kids accused of the crime. So the other guy started gloating that I'm racist because it was in fact 4 black and 1 latino kid and that's why I'm racist.

Another time I got called a 'racist, anarchist, in denial' for saying that Trump encouraged his supporters to escalate the situation when things get violent and Bernie condemns violence. That argument was kind of hilarious though because the person kept telling me to repeat what she was saying or else I was this, that, and the other.

[–]KugoKing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm a liberal and I really fucking cannot stand the fact that people like this think that the best way to convince a conservative is to insult them. We here on the left hope that these people do not immediately turn you off from a discussion with a liberal in the same way that (at least I) wouldn't try and get turned off from conversating with a conservative just because of the right wing equivalent

Tl;dr: just because the person you are speaking with doesn't share your opinion doesn't mean you have to be a dick; this goes for both sides

[–]_Gamps_ [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Hate to break it to you but if you're repeatedly called racist you might be racist

[–]pyx125Moderate Conservative [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You are a racist. You are a racist. You are a racist. Three is repetitive enough. Therefore you must be racist.

Being racist has nothing to do with the amount of times someone calls you racist or any other -ist, it's dependent on the actions of the person.

[–]RufusJSquirrel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You don't even know how to argue anymore. Just bitch and moan whenever you get called out. You don't have a pot to piss in and it is fucking pathetic. Try really actually evaluating your positions and your arguments and see how they square with anything that happens in the entire goddamned observable universe and then try making the same "arguments".

[–]starchild555 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Liberal: anyone who opposes the sacred conservative ideas