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[–]jcvynn -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
Triggermen are a faction, kind of. Unlike the Khan's you can't do quests for them and they aren't friendly or joinable. They are still in gameplay terms raiders, just a much more interesting flavor which is another point for fallout 4 fleshing out raiders. Also you can see that the triggerman have relations with sinjins gang as well. It's time you do the right thing and admit you were mistaken, I have demonstrated time and time again how much more fleshed out the raiders in 4 are while you can only quote outside media that isn't canon.
[–]Legion_Profligate"Ave, true to that ass."[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
Why are you so hung up on the Triggermen being raiders? They work with them, they aren't actually them. The definition of a raider is a group who pillage, plunder, and murder, while being a loose organization. The Triggermen are organized, and don't just plunder without a plan. Raiders also prey upon small towns, while the Triggermen work in places like Goodneighbor.
Why the hell do you want to be so right? Is this a superiority thing? If so, that's sad that you need to justify yourself just to make yourself feel better. Admit it. Bethesda sucks at fleshing things out, and raiders are no exception. The Triggermen aren't raiders. The ones that are have small stories, but nothing compared to Fallout 1.
Also. Who the hell said that Fallout Wiki isn't canon? I haven't quoted the Fallout Bible in quite a long while. You act like the wiki is there for the lolz. :/
[–]jcvynn -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
You are hilarious, by the definition you just used for being a raider the Khan's aren't raiders as they are well organized in a tight sophisticated manner. You just proved part of my point right, congratulations.
The triggerman are raiders by the even better definition of a non joinable or inherently antagonist to the player group/faction that attacks/robs/plunders others AKA raids to survive. They are simply a more successful group that has grown in size and sophistication. They are still antagonist towards the player character and are involved in subtler more complex methods of extracting resources from others.
You are at this point nitpicking and contradicting yourself. Not a good sign for your argument.
And look at the sources on the wiki, most of it is development documents rather than in game occurrence meaning it isn't necessarily canon just like concept art isn't canon. I have offered plenty of evidence that the raiders in fallout 4 are much more fleshed out than in new Vegas, you simply keep trying to move the goal posts or change definitions even when it contradicts your own comments. It isn't about me at all, you presented an opinion based on incorrect facts and you are refusing all evidence to the contrary because you must be right. You are now projecting your own insecurities onto me as well as still trying to reframe the facts to fit your flawed views.
I have presented a coherent and logical argument based on purely canon in game lore and gameplay while you still used outside media like the wiki, a fan curated site, and even went off subject substituting an unrelated topic (Khan's are not raiders even your definition proves that) in an attempt to validate your opinion.
[–]Legion_Profligate"Ave, true to that ass."[S] -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
The Triggermen are remnants of mafia groups in Boston, which is the reason there is so many ghouls in there. They're remnants of Boston's crime empire at the time. They aren't raiders. Stop trying to make them raiders. Did you see Skinny Malone? You're calling him a raider, a guy who talks with a Chicago accent and is obviously based off the Mafia? How delusional are you?
The Khans are raiders. Did you play Fallout 1? Because, guess what? The Khans attack the Vault Dweller! And, guess what? You have to kill them to save Tandi, THE CHILD OF THE FOUNDER OF THE NC FUCKING R. They even do small attacks on Junktown and the Hub! Jesus christ, do you ever open your eyes, or are they binded by superglue? You're wrong! Admit it, the Khans are raiders!
Do you suck Godd Howard's dick for a living? Shit, you really want to make out that the Fallout 4 raiders are worthwhile, and not cannon fodder. Just admit it: Interplay writes better characters, and better antagonists, and actually makes them human. Raiders aren't humans in Fallout 4. There's nothing touching about them. They shoot you on sight without a second thought, while you can help out raider gangs in Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas, (not counting Nuka-World, as that's based off feedback by players).
[–]jcvynn 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
And now you show your true colors of being a fanboy to interplay, nvm that we never talked about any other titles except NV and FO4. Interplay has nothing to do with this disc please stay on topic and reign in your fanboy insecurities.
We are discussing the raiders of New Vegas and Fallout 4, and the Khan's behavior and interactions with the player is not that of a raider group, as I have said before it is that of a tribal group. You are now bringing a different game(s) made by a different studio.
The triggerman rely on acquiring resources from others to survive and do so in a way outside of societal norms that are often violent. They are more organized than most due to their roots, but ultimately they are sophisticated raiders that have a significant pre war ghoul population. They lack a culture like that of the Khan's as they simply attach themselves to other societies in a parasitic fashion.
And congratulations on taking incivility to laughable levels.

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