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[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUs 18ポイント19ポイント  (15子コメント)

Wait, your wife has earned more than FOUR TIMES as much as you throughout your marriage, and even now still earns more than you do, and you're blaming her for your money problems? Your pissed that you finally had to give up your dream job and get a real job? Hmmmmm.

I'll just say this: The new job was 100% your decision and you should own it. You weren't forced into it by your wife's nagging.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

The new job was 100% your decision and you should own it

Absolutely true! I didn't mention the real reason and it had nothing to do with giving into her nagging. My older son quit his job and cut me to the core when he hamstered: "Mom makes plenty of money, why should I have to work hard." I simply could not let my son see that any more and had to put myself into a position to neutralize the completely unacceptable argument he was making.

[–]anythingincMRP APPROVED 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why does he know what mom and dad make?

If I hadn't taken over the family business I would have no clue what my parents made, I just know we lived comfortably. Please tell me your son is not a pawn in some passive-aggressive financial cold war between his parents.

Why can't you be the husband, father, leader, financial planner, and scheduler of your house, irrespective of income? The fact that you are not in that default position is the wizard behind the curtain here. I know you've had to come from behind, but guess you're not there yet, we all know it sucks.

Why does your wife know what you make? Did you parade your new career and salary in front of her to try to win some points?

Look baby, I got a new job with 4 times the money, all for you, be proud of me please? Sex tonight?

You took a new job, it provides for you, and for your family. You're wife didn't need to know shit about it besides any scheduling conflicts it might create.

I take care of my kids

Nigga, you supposed to take care of your kids.

You done goofed by setting the precedent that your whole check is family expense money. Is all your wife's money family expense money? If it is then great, it's your money too, and daddy gets to say how it is spent, why haven't you been paying off credit cards and student loans? You had to get to Dread Level 11 or 12 right? Direct Depositing your entire check into the joint account doesn't sound like living above Dread Level 3 to me.

2 refrigerators were broken with damage

Dude, own your shit. You couldn't handle that situation until you got a $5000 paycheck? We wouldn't blink at a high value woman not putting up with a busted ass man, but she's supposed to put up with two busted ass refrigerators? Best Buy will give you that shit interest free for a year. Roissy (Rollo?) has the trope about women climbing in his window to fuck him on a sheetless mattress on the floor....you're not that man, and you didn't marry that woman. If you want to live the itinerant hot professor academic life banging coeds across America's campuses on twin mattresses then you can have that life...but it is not the life you're living. Don't have an existential crisis at the dissonance between the two.

Moral of the story: Man doesn't take care of business around the house, woman fills vacuum. Man expects new job to win him brownie points, woman just sees more disposable income. Red Pill cliche` as fuck.

How do you handle a subversive wife who literally countermands your decisions?

Besides having value the answer is:

A man only has to put up with what he allows

[–]sexyshoulderdevil75% Liquid Sarcasm 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nail, meet hammer.

[–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why does he know what mom and dad make?

Our finances are purposely very transparent to our teenage children. No Machivellian schemes; we just want them to be aware of how much income our lifestyle cost and where the money goes. Part of financial responsibility training. Can't argue with the rest of the comment.

[–]sexyshoulderdevil75% Liquid Sarcasm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If a family makes/has quite a bit of money but doesn't live that extravagantly, it might be best not disclose the full financial details to the kids. The "rich kid" mentality is horrendous. Might as well let the kids perceive that their family does alright but not know the full extent so as it doesn't change their behavior. Meanwhile keep teaching them the value of a dollar and how to live frugally while they perceive they're on a strict budget. It's not the only route to take but it is a safe one.

[–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I seem to remember you were moving across the country for a new teaching job. What happened, or is my memory as bad as I remember.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Being accused of going Beta is not enough- now watch me DEER.

I am on record several times admitting that I change minor details in the story to prevent doxing. My 3 kids could be 4- or 2. My adult son- the pilot- may actually be 17. I think I have narrowed it down enough already by revealing my PhD, law, and teaching background. :)

So...my job across country was actually across the city and we did not move.

[–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am on record several times admitting that I change minor details in the story to prevent doxing.

Sound strategy. I have redacted parts of my post.

[–]PineleroMarried -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

How do you figure that, if she was spending the money? Why should he give up his dream job to pay her bills?

I am not seeing what you are getting at.

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUs 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

He should do what he wants to do. My point is that there's a trade-off. If he works his dream job while his wife earns (most) of the money that supports the family, then he's not in a great position to complain about how she spent it up to now or to complain that she ran up so much debt that now he has to pitch in more.

None of that justifies his wife unilaterally deciding to buy the fridge, but it is important context. Was she spending his money? Maybe, kind of. But if she's been earning 80 cents of every dollar the family spent until now, her actions are pretty understandable.

Mostly, I'm just blown away. I can't decide if it makes it even more remarkable that he's succeeding with MRP even though his wife makes most of the money, or if makes it easier, since he doesn't have the burden of being the backstop for the family finances and can afford to invest more time and energy into MRP. I'll be curious to see how the new job affects things.

[–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spin it around for a second.

If person A makes the money but spends it poorly, person B has to stand up and manage the situation. Managing the situation in the face of BS like " well I don't care what you think because I make it" is complete BS. It ignores the actual financial health of the family.

If his wife were the guy, we would be shitting all over her.

Trade offs are fine, but they should not come with unilateral actions and disrespect.

Its not like they are talking about spending EXTRA money.

Also, no , he is not succeeding with MRP. Sorry Blue

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

She thinks she nagged him into new job and deserves the additional income as its hers.

He needs to rock the boat harder rhan normal

[–]PineleroMarried -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Succeeding with MRP due to RP knowledge. Relying on money is old-school books.

My wife makes more than me. When she is feeling insecure, sure I got the same shit BP did (i.e make more $$$..blah, blah, blah), but when she is secure again (no pressure). BP can solve his shit, if he takes over finances and gets them resolved, so she feels secure again. Hopefully she didn't nuke them too much. If her high-paying job is in peril, then he can't fix that, and he will be pressured to shoulder more of the burden of performance (i.e. pay bills..etc).

Hey BPP, go back to your low-paying job, so you have more time for MRP.

Bros before hypergamy.

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    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED[M] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Your job is to be a cunt to MRP in your hellhole, not ours.

    Off with ya woman

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    BPP, here's a quote from u/over60_stupid_loner Read it carefully.

    Taking control of the finances is an absolute requirement for leading the relationship. Without that control, you will lack authority. You will always be trying to lead from a position of weakness. Without good financial control, you will lack an essential element you need to be an effective leader. I speak from bitter experience, and, a successful turnaround.

    [–]drty_pr 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

    The whole bike thing should be handled with a pause, a stare and then continuing back to the conversation you guys were having.

    Also, a mother fucking fridge without your concent? That's a big ticket purchase man. She better be making 6 figures to even think she is allowed to do that without your approval. And if she makes 6 figures, how can you possibly have credit card debt? My wife may not fuck me very much, but this, absolutely unacceptable.

    I'd return the fridge while she was at work, buy 4 big camping coolers, put all the food from the fridge in them on ice, stack them where the fridge normally goes and go out on a night with my boys before she got home from work.

    [–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Camping coolers is passive aggressive but funny as fuck

    [–]questioningwomanFeeemale -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

    It's her money. If she makes the money, it's her prerogative to get a fridge. If he makes money, it's his prerogative to get a fridge.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED[M] 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Whats mine is mine, whats yours is ours...

    She is drowning in debt, who do you think is on the hook for that if she just refuses to pay?

    She makes the money, she also makes the debt, he's still responsible for both in the laws eyes. So no, it's not her prerogative to get a fridge.

    Play any more of that 'you go girl' in here, and I'll be happy to find the door for you

    [–]drty_pr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Took the text right out of my thumb.

    [–]questioningwomanFeeemale -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I think he should make her pay off the debt THEN she can buy whatever she wants.

    [–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think she should be adult enough to pay for her debt, and then they can discuss who wants what within the context of a family.

    If she buys what ever she wants, he is responsible for half.

    Hi hon, I, your husband, am going to buy a car. nothing big, just a bentley .

    My money? Oh no dear, this is OUR money!

    LOL

    Come on.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Oh. And, pray tell, how does one make a woman become financially responsable? Stern words? Back of his hand? Nasty email?

    What method of control do you suggest op use here to force her to start acting right?

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nasty email?

    I'm sure a nasty email would work. Oh yeah, for sure, but, maybe, possibly, I dunno, it seems so impersonal. OK, maybe tie 'em up. :)

    [–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'll get on to say more later -

    But given how she spends money and doesn't consult her partner (hi bloops!) I'd say you are being financially abused.

    You know what? You don't want to do the job? Don't.

    You want to do it for the money? Good.

    You guys were "just fine" with your previous incomes ? Great. Add just the previous amount to the joint accounts. The rest is yours. She wants to play covert lil games... let her. She will wind up paying you alimony.

    Why do you still want this woman in your bed ?

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 6ポイント7ポイント  (24子コメント)

    Until you gain control of the treasury, the harem cannot be yours.

    Everything else in your post is irrelevant to this.

    From personal experience, this is a battle that you cannot lose. This is the front line of any assault on you. You must crush it without mercy.

    If you want more of my completely offensive and subversive methods I used to gain control of the treasury, let me know I will post or PM it.

    I really don't think you can afford a public post on how to do this and succeed.

    Your game, let me know if you want more, and how you want it.

    Best

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 2ポイント3ポイント  (17子コメント)

    well, to be fair. /u/IanIronwood brings up a great point in his posts.

    The Red Pill answers that issue by abandoning economic input as the factor by which dominance in the relationship is established.

    and

    the praxeology of the Red Pill states that heterosexual relationships in which the male leads with unapologetic dominance are the most successful.

    In this case, I'd flip the table. Fuck the finances. I just bought a piano today (because I want to) and left the house for a shit test myself. At a place where I want some old hobbies again.

    If she scared of losing /u/BluepillProfessor ? If not, that's arguably where he can focus. If she is, then start removing the carrot (affection, attention, commitment) to set boundaries.

    Or... He can move all the furnature around the house to a different layout :)

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yes. Adding to more from your Ironwood quote:

    Post Red Pill - that is, once I gave up worrying about who made more money and got off my ass and led my family - it doesn't matter who makes more money. It doesn't matter how good she is at what she does. While I am fully supportive of my wife's career, the fact of the matter is that as long as she meets the basic requirements we agreed upon when we wed (stable, predictable income), she can be a neurologist or sell Mary Kay, and I'm not going to let that interfere with my responsibility as husband and father - or how I hold her to account as a mother and a wife. Not because of any silly ideal, religious commandment, or misguided machismo, but because the praxeology of the Red Pill states that heterosexual relationships in which the male leads with unapologetic dominance are the most successful.

    Again, without financial dominance (not higher income) the relationship will suffer blue pill effects.

    BPP, I know you have dominated this woman in the bedroom and with your kids. Yes she is tough, but fuck it, so are you.

    You know the thing I have seen you do, many times, is to say things about this woman that show that you absolutely care about and admire her. Your recurring cases of Oneitis have shown up sometimes. But you never seem to give up on your marriage.

    In my humble opinion, your next project now that you killed it with Sex God Method…..should be Money God Method (lol)

    [–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR 1ポイント2ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Welcome to the special club of people who own actual real pianos. There are no benefits or advantages. You just get to know you joined the elite.

    [–]SampsonBrassMountain Man -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Hey you never know. He could become the Gershwin of MRP except the Rhapsody will be in Red this time.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I do like my jazz piano.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Mine is a Yamaha Clavinova. The key action of a grand and always in perfect tune.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

    If I can play linus and lucy every christmas, than it will be worth it.

    [–]SampsonBrassMountain Man 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    My wife used to play Good King Wenceslas and my kids used to fight about wether it was really a Christmas Carol or not. Also Girl with the Flaxen Hair and the Andante Favori were favorites. Imma start calling you Thelonious lol

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    you were closer with gershwin. Rhapsody in blue would be wonderful, doubt my hand (post car accident) is capable, but would be nice

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yes, it is worth it. You might even learn Clare De Lune, beautiful, easy piece to learn…… one of my first at age 5.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I remember learning it, and fur elise as a kid.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    fur elise

    If you like that, you might like Solfeggietto.

    [–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The advantage is I am listening to it right now.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wait, you got a baby grand?

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's digital, let me play a year, and I'll replace with a standup

    [–]drty_pr -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Or... He can move all the furnature around the house to a different layout :)

    Oh god! Someday. Someday.

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    If you want more of my completely offensive and subversive methods I used to gain control of the treasury, let me know I will post or PM it.

    Pretty please! We are always looking for "Hard Core Red" guys.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Pretty please!

    What the fuck does that mean?

    [–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Blue pill language abounds.

    [–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Post it, don't PM it. SHARE

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's coming. First version in process. It is PM only to those of you that I trust won't doxx, and that request.

    A heavily redacted second version gets posted later.

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It means I want more of your completely offensive and subversive methods you used to gain control.

    [–]Alcebiadeeze 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You are failing at the most important thing. You need her more than she needs you.

    The more vested party is always the weaker party. No amount of parlor tricks or false bravado will help if she's willing to play chicken and you are not.

    It's really that simple. Kill your oneitis. Back to square one. And I hate to say it but getting a side piece would probably change your mind in a hurry. She's not yours, it's just your turn and all that.

    [–]logger1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Back to square one"

    That's what I figured. Time to bring back the MAP.

    [–]RP_SuitScholar 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Thanks for putting yourself out there. Marriage is such a shit deal, even if MRP strategies work, it is a fucking pain in the ass to have to deal with female solipsism with only dread and a nuclear option to use as a response. Oh well, that's reality. AWALT.

    I will be posting my situation soon, but suffice it to say that MRP is the only thing that has kept me from going nuclear lately. I want to have a successful marriage, but the writing is on the wall and there are too many hot bitches out there I could be fucking to have to put up with this shit much longer...

    [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I want to have a successful marriage, but the writing is on the wall and there are too many hot bitches out there I could be fucking to have to put up with this shit much longer...

    I'm a little late on this one but can't wait for your post. I keep thinking there's THE answer, but when half the equation has no desire to fix things...

    [–]sh0ckley 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I want to have a successful marriage, but the writing is on the wall and there are too many hot bitches out there I could be fucking to have to put up with this shit much longer...

    Amen.

    [–]IASGame 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I only saw this now. I'm a bit disappointed because I think you made a massive error.

    Strategically, you made your wife less vulnerable for divorce. Among Married Men, you had a situation where she would get massively divorce raped financially AND you still had an extremely respectable job an earning power. It's not like you were some bum living on her salary (which would also be pretty respectable as well, at least on the alpha sense).

    Worse, from your description of your old job here, you abandoned what probably was your Mission - for a woman no less - and convinced yourself that it was for better teaching your son.

    You didn't need to drop your dream career for teaching your son (do you want to teach him to be a Beta Bucks? No you don't. You want to teach him to be happy internally, having a soul sucking job is an obstacle for that)... Nor to have the right to control ridiculous spending habits.

    I wonder if it is reversible.

    [–]sexyshoulderdevil75% Liquid Sarcasm 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ah another...

    Nail, meet hammer...again.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I understand his priority here. At this point, I can guarantee the issue wasn't the money.

    You'll have to trust on this one. he's got a decision, there was no hamstering, and he's owning it.

    Now the wifes bullshit, that's a fair game scenario

    [–]IASGame 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I don't get how why he needs to change jobs to cut his son's bullshit play of "I quit my job because mom's job pays well". That is obviously bullshit and would still be bullshit even if Blue himself was unemployed.

    He shouldn't need to quit his own Mission to correct the kid's path. Or if that really is needed, maybe the kid deserves whatever he gets from getting used to being lazy.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    His life, his choice. He has his reasons. Of all the people here, BPP is the one I take at his word.

    I guarantee he's leaving things out, as well as changing details (I'm pretty sure it's not a fridge) because there's a cadre of cucks that would like nothing more than getting this man shamed. End of the day, it's pretty clear, he's more invested than she is, and she is smart and cunning enough to shove his face in it.

    [–]IASGame 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    And once again, he is more invested than she is because of the kids...

    https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/4q3je0/oneitis_not_just_for_women_you_want_to_have_sex/

    I'm not saying it is easy to take away that particular leverage she has, I can't comment on that not having kids myself... But it seems clear that this is what is happening, and she is using that leverage.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Can't argue that, pretty solid.

    [–]SampsonBrassMountain Man 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's vital to your long term financial well being that you take u/FireTempered up on his offer.

    [–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Seems like you made a decision to abandon your mission for financial reasons. I get it, Id like to play pro hockey but I gotta eat.

    Still, she was nagging you to do this very thing and while you may have other reasons for making the change, she likely thinks you have bent to her will and lost respect for you.

    Return the fridge. If she starts a fight, walk out and don't come back for the night. Sounds harsh but you made a major life change and she needs to know it wasn't because mommy said so and you are still the boss and will dump her ass if she doesn't smarten up

    Good luck!

    [–]drty_pr 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    If you could play pro hockey, eating wouldn't be an issue. Lol

    [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Dunno....ive come to jesus and learned 45 min with heavy fucking compound movements 3x a week is plenty

    Provided a significant caloric deficit

    [–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I've also found your regimen to give the "push-pull" that the experts discuss.

    Oh, and I lift too.

    [–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Women believe they are equal to you only until they've convinced themselves they are better.

    Your wife views your additional contribution to "our" money with complete and entitled ownership. Regardless of the source, as the "professional" in the family, she'll always try to pull a power play on you.

    At some point, you're going to have to tear her down in her own frame of reference and poke at her weaknesses. She can't manage money, she has no sense of her spending limits, still has a student loan as a shareholder(?) in a law firm. By all measurables, she's not successful, she's average among her peers. This is why these "keeping up with the Joneses" things most likely nag at her in the back of her mind.

    She tests you, because (and don't bullshit me) you respect her accomplishments. She's a silly, irresponsible, irrational and solipsistic little girl, who happens to have periods of lucidity enough to be an attorney.

    If it were me, I would make the teaching an additional hobby, and adjunct 3-6 hours a semester. Why give up something you like because Ally Mcbeal goes AWALT every harvest moon?

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    She's a silly, irresponsible, irrational and solipsistic little girl, who happens to have periods of lucidity enough to be an attorney.

    I am not big on tattoos but I may just get these words on my inner thigh.

    [–]StickItInTheToiletSkeptical Wife 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Awww if it would make you feel better...

    [–]SampsonBrassMountain Man 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

    He's permitted himself to be taken hostage. As FT says this is a power and a control issue not a financial or earnings issue. As I said before my wife never worked but she had inherited wealth. It was never the sword of Damocles in my household as the decisions were made by me and it was not a factor. In fairness though, I wonder if such a thing is possible anymore.

    [–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    His lapses of oneitis allow this to happen. I also think he has an admiration that clouds his judgment until she overtly shits on his contributions.

    That said, at least he's aware enough to recognize that he needs to act in his self-interest to have his sacrifice make some sense.

    Attorneys are some of the worst money managers I've come across, because they are often more wrapped up in the image of the profession, than figuring out how to cash out as soon as possible.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes, Yes, and Yes

    His lapses of oneitis allow this to happen. I also think he has an admiration that clouds his judgment until she overtly shits on his contributions.

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    His lapses of oneitis allow this to happen. I also think he has an admiration that clouds his judgment until she overtly shits on his contributions.

    There is not doubt of it.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

    In fairness though, I wonder if such a thing is possible anymore.

    Possible and necessary.

    [–]SampsonBrassMountain Man -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I wan't referring to the financial part but are there still debs or girls who get "finished?" I guess they all go to law school now. lol

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    are there still debs or girls who get "finished?"

    Yes, believe it or not, my daughter had her "debut"…..but "finished" is a very relative term today. :)

    [–]SampsonBrassMountain Man 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Good for her. My oldest daughter went to law school and my youngest daughter is slated to do Teach for America. Two of my four are surprisingly idealistic.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Your daughter's love for you is the reason I am having this conversation with you, therefore, I like her too. :)

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They do, but the word has entirely different meaning now.

    [–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Let's be clear its not something he permitted, much like a airliner crashing. You didn't have control but shit happened.

    [–]onmyownpath 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Open your own checking account and send the paycheck there. Figure out exactly what half of the bills are and pay that much.

    Don't be a pussy and work a career you hate. Now she can divorce you and take even more money from you. Don't you realize that you are going to die one day soon?

    Oh and pro tip... Call the credit agencies and lock it down so she cannot ruin your score.

    [–]JustOneMoreAcct 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My wife and I have had separate personal checking accounts for years along with a joint account. Thing is only a pittance was going into then. Recently I got a significant equity adjustment at work and I adjusted how much went into my account quite a bit in response. This allows me to better plan for the day when she either won't be around or worth surprising with a trip (or something like that).

    [–]sh0ckley -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I second the personal checking account idea.

    The way I have it set up is one joint checking for accounted expenses - meaning the stuff that she and I both need to buy every month and the bills to keep the lights on. I made a spreadsheet. Anything not in that sheet doesn't not get paid for out of that account. There is also money in that joint account to pay for vacations which are booked on a credit card and paid off before we leave. Then there's savings going to other accounts. Last, we each have an allowance to do whatever we want with that goes to each of our personal checking accounts.

    [–]sampson158 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is actually what I came here to point out. I'm in the same boat. I work my ass off and my wife disrespects that by going out and buying shoes. I find it disgusting. whe buys what she wants and I have no choice because I'm the sole earner. Fortunately for me there is light at the end of the tunnell. My ball and chain gets full time employment as soon as her student teaching is over (@ the end of the spring semester.)

    As soon as she has a paycheck I'm transferring mine to a checking account she cannot access. I will even do our bills as a percentage of our income to be fair. And then she cant touch my money. I believe when there is forced acocuntability she will have no choice but to learn financial discipline. (worst case scenario she might even get put on an unnofficial-but-still-married child support based allowance, untill the student teaching is over)

    After that Respect will be mandatory, or I will Nuke the marriage myself. It's currently cheaper to keep her, but after she's employed It might be more worth it for me to dump the baggage and do what I want in order to teach my son how to respect adults, be financially independent, and learn how to make money by investing, wether in dogs, cattle or land/home but he'll learn to be a real and responsible man, not a slave to a woman who thinks her shit dont stink.

    [–]FistFullOfBitches 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    A CC for sure, creating those expectations in your head. You nobly put the financial needs of the family above your own happiness. Much adulation ensues. LOL.

    But look at it another way... what you've done is not just going back to the carpet store (hilarious scene btw), but actually worse. You've hitched yourself back into the very role we stereotypically despise - you turned yourself into a BB in order to take the responsibility for the financial mess that she (I'm guessing here it wasn't 100% your fault) got you guys into. She senses the fact that a power shift occurred which is unfortunately contravariant to the salary shift and is shifting gears accordingly.

    And just for hypotheticals...How many years until the kids are out of the house? Any chance she'd be owing you for alimony based on you old salary differential where you live, if you went back do your dream job? If court would split the debt in half after a split, wouldn't your working dollar would go farther paying down half the debt as a free man than it would paying down the whole enchillada in this purgatory? I mean, you've been battling this beast for a long time now.

    And as an aside, there's an episode of this reality show "plastic surgeons of beverly hills" (don't ask me how I know of it) where one of the betabux doctor's wife informs him that the fridge is broken, she called the repair guy, and it was going to cost 800 bucks. So she decided they needed a new 12,000 dollar fridge. And to think they say there's nothing new under the sun...

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Any chance she'd be owing you for alimony based on you old salary differential where you live

    No doubt she would be paying me. If I pursued it. Most men don't.

    [–]Alcebiadeeze 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Most men are blue pill drones who heroically fall on the sword as a last act of honor. Then hate the decision as soon as they find another woman.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It has been a while since old papa blue has had to pull out his claws.

    This, this right here was why I love /u/adderallabuse and his MAP. If a man had done this to you, you would have punched him in the mouth. We have a natural aversion to testing boundaries when we have the chance of a concequence.

    My question is, what consequences do you have? You got attraction, attention, and commitment. with your new paycheck, may be worth having a 'week off' while you work out who is more invested.

    You and I also both know, if this comes with any whiff of 'that'll show her' then it's going to backfire. It's got to come from a place like that post a few months back. The guy genuinely certain he will divorce his wife once the kids leave the house, because she is incapable of being what he desires.

    Putting myself in your shoes, I have a 'fuck you' fund set aside for this reason. I definitely wouldn't be using any cash here. I'd rather go into hock

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes.

    I have a 'fuck you' fund set aside for this reason. I definitely wouldn't be using any cash here. I'd rather go into hock

    [–]StickItInTheToiletSkeptical Wife 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I know I will get fire for this so let me say hi to the bloops in advance

    Hi, and I have to ask why you're still with this woman?

    I earn all the money so I do the bills and decide how the money is spent despite the obvious SHIT job that is being done- was the final straw.

    That's domestic abuse. She shouldn't have all the say just because she was earning most of the money. She also shouldn't have been trying to force you to change your job. Your happiness should be important to her, and you two shouldn't have needed more money. And if she was earning so much, what happened to all the money? What is she doing with it?

    Without consulting me, wife canceled the repair and bought a rather expensive refrigerator for delivery the day I had scheduled the repair.

    That's disrespectful. You made a decision and she tossed your decision aside. I would never do that to my partner.

    damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead

    Due to rp, you're hyper aware of boundaries. I'm thinking your post must not give the full picture of your marriage, because your marriage as you've presented it here stinks like sweaty balls and you know full well you shouldn't be standing for it.

    [–]FistFullOfBitches 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Your happiness should be important to her

    Yeah, and I should win the next million dollar lottery draw. But, I guess it's nice to have a dream to get you through those long nights.

    your marriage as you've presented it here stinks like sweaty balls

    well put

    [–]redmountainpill 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    If wives cared about our happiness, none of us would be here

    [–]StickItInTheToiletSkeptical Wife 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If wives cared about our happiness, none of us would be here

    Well, that sucks. My joy is to make my guy happy.

    [–]JuniperSunshineSomebody's wife 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Me too. Even in our most "egalitarian" days, I would have been heartbroken if he told me I wasnt making him happy. A lot of women DO care about their husbands.

    [–]JuniperSunshineSomebody's wife 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I have to agree. Her cancelling the repair and buying the fridge is shitty, disrespectful behavior. And I don't like this idea of "whoever earns the money makes all the decisions.". Yes, in my house, my husband does both, but that is a choice we made together. And he always asks for my input on big ticket items. Usually I just tell him he can choose, but I appreciate the consideration. If ever i felt really strongly about something, he would take that into making the decision. BPP's wife is not being considerate, to say the least. She sounds like a lot to handle. ;-)

    [–]spexerMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This was the last straw and I scolded her "I am talking to my son and you were not invited into the conversation. You are being rude. Knock it off."

    Take note that this was not followed with a long discussion where BP explained logically his feelings and examples of abuse, etc etc.

    A mistake Many have made is "talking the problem out". I did that very thing the other day when my wife disrespected me. after the hour long discussion and makeup sex, old Bluepill me would say I won... but Redpill me knew I lost some ground for talking about my needs.

    BP is dead-on here by making a declarative statement, pointing out his line in the sand, and then leaving it be.

    let your dissonance and her hamster figure out the details.

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    An update and a thanks to all my Merp brothers for giving me a kick in the ass. The solution to almost any problem in MRP is simple. You have to hold frame and patiently wait for her to come around. The goal is to draw her into YOUR frame and get the Hell out of hers so that you are the trusted and benevolent leader of the family.

    Today when I came home from work she told me, with a slight sniffle, that she had cancelled the fridge order and how sorry she was that she had been acting like a bitch. She promised she would not "undermine" me in front of the boys again. You were right, Dear. I should not have spent the new money before we even had it in hand. I was wrong." (How many of you have heard a woman say THAT?). Through it all she had on a long, sad face like a puppy who was just beaten with a slipper. My Oneitis was activated hard.

    Then she proceeded to fuck me almost into a coma (funny story that one, her head was bent over the side of the bed and one of the dogs licked her face just as she started cumming- talk about a ruined orgasm! Not for me though :)

    Anyway, we laid for a while talking and holding while she opened up about her terror at losing control. She even tried the old: "You don't need me for anything except sex now." I put my hand on her chin and looked her deep in the eyes while informing her: "I don't NEED you for that either. But it is what I WANT. It is really all I ever wanted from you. That other stuff, playing the lawyer, making big bucks? That just gets you into the bonus round."

    The slight tension that was left melted off her face in an instant and she buried her head in the crook of my arm smiling and crying.

    I know I will take heat from this from you guys for what I did next but I couldn't help it. The Beta is strong and Oxytocin is a Hell of a drug. Besides, she was so damn cute apologizing that I had to do it! I called the fridge people and reinstated the order!!

    Why? She backed off and trusted me to make the decision and dammit, if I am the leader of the family then I am going to make the best long-term decisions for my family. Just between us guys, that old fridge was broken anyway :)

    [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Its your marriage and your life. I respect that you can see why re-ordering the fridge was done: manipulated by pussy and sweet behavior and you felt an underlying need to reward your good girl.

    Still, if my daughter disrespected me, took my car for a spin, and broke her curfew there would be consequences. Yes, her coming home with the car washed and full of gas with a card saying I love you Dad would feel good. Really really good.

    But I wouldnt remove her punishment. I'd hug her and tell her I love her and that I am pleased she understands what she did was wrong.

    This is the harder path and does indeed hurt me more than it hurts her. THIS IS TRUE MASCULiNE LOVE, I.E. THE REAL FUCKING THING. Forget what your Disney Princess stories taught you. Real love from a man is given and he gets nothing back.

    And its what children need. Women are children BPP.

    Anyway, I wasn't there and its not my life and a whole lot easier to be the armchair QB

    Best

    [–]Auvergnat 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I called the fridge people and reinstated the order!!

    Fucking hell dude! She manipulated you with the first and second tricks in the book (puppy eyes and awesome sex) and you fell for it... No wonder why you still get shit tested despite your long red pill journey.

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I understand why people feel that way but it was my decision. Like I said, I wanted the new fridge- and she could have easily convinced me of it if she had behaved appropriately from the beginning.

    The title of the post was "creeping disrespect" NOT "wife bought something without my approval." All I (ever) wanted was respect and I won that battle for the time being so what is the purpose of being a hard ass?

    Sometimes a fridge is not a fridge at all.

    [–]JuniperSunshineSomebody's wife 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is why I always enjoy reading your posts, BPP. You have a great marriage and love your wife. All of your advice has really improved my already-good marriage even more. She is lucky to have you.

    [–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR 1ポイント2ポイント  (27子コメント)

    You are being too hard on yourself. Turns out AWALT. She was picking up the perceived slack in your leadership. That wasn't real, but she thought things should be handled differently. Rollo did mention the fix. There are two that I am aware of.

    1. Flex your pimp hand and slap the bitch. Treat her like shit and chastise her non-stop. Ruin her self-esteem and live with the byproduct. Many guys do this and it creates a faithful wife for life. I for one do not argue with results. Not recommended but it does work.

    2. Let her know directly her errors and unfuck them. Take the refrigerator back and repair the old. When she goes on the attack use AM or just Nuke it. Whenever she feels like "going around the elbow to get to the thumb" undo every action by either forcing her to do it, or just do it yourself. She must know that any mutiny is handled harshly. This aint a democracy, its a benevolent dictatorship.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 2ポイント3ポイント  (15子コメント)

    From now on, anything that she buys, that doesn't have your approval, goes back. Not negotiable.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'll add to this, naturally, a child will push the boundary, and buy non-returnable goods.

    Garbage, or given to a family in need.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The big one that is hard to deal with, giving expensive gifts to others. You can't get it back…. That is one of the reasons I locked it all down, back in the day.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Extremely powerful. I've done it to a dinner I made once, and it was a nuke.

    Intermittent fasting by shit-test...

    [–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

    My wife is on a separate credit card where she can spend with no oversight. Currently it's X per month and she spends every last dime each month. Often I think to myself. Can you imagine how much effort goes into figuring out how to spend a card to zero? If she put that much effort into money making imagine how successful she could be. I don't want to go on a rant. Wife converted from socialite to productive member of society so I got that going for me. Which is nice.

    [–]SampsonBrassMountain Man 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Can you imagine how much effort goes into figuring out how to spend a card to zero?

    That be like breathing to them, innate down in the dna, it's some kind of special feeeemale math..."I saved you so much when I bought." No shit.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Second this!

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It took me a year to get into her head that 'sale' is just the way to trigger her fear of missing out.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My wife buys shoes so other people won't get them……just her.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It is crazy how much women assume money is some kind of scoreboard, and not hitting 0 at the end of the month is some kind of failure.

    [–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Don't hate! At least they are good at something.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Wife converted from socialite to productive member of society

    Yes she proves that this conversion is on a month to month basis, every month! lol

    [–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If you look back in the old posts you may see how far along she has come since her days of living like a sponge.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes. I have seen them and remember them. :)

    [–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Don't her points roll over?

    [–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Depends on how much she swallows.

    [–]JuniperSunshineSomebody's wife 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Slap the bitch?

    Say what? Like a playful potch on the bottom or what? (In which case, I am in favor lol) How does slapping your wife not end with a restraining order or something???

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Emotionally remove all comfort. The term is a placeholder, not actual violence

    [–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think you missed the sarcasm.

    [–]questioningwomanFeeemale 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

    If I was "pimp slapped" I'd act like a mega bitch. It doesn't create a faithful wife in me. It creates an angry woman who hates you. It would make me be the divorce raper from hell.

    I was raised to have self respect and only trashy scum have this mentality.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Good for you, luckily, this ain't about you cupcake.

    Your virtue is safe, lets deal with the cunty wife and not make it more than that.

    [–]JuniperSunshineSomebody's wife 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Sorry, stone, I gotta agree. I'm submissive as hell, but if my guy slapped my face I would lose tons of respect for him. Some things are off the table; using his physical strength to "keep me in line" is one of them. Face slapping is degrading as hell and I'm not into humiliation.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    He wasn't referring to a literal slap,. Besides, there is no greater loss of frame than having to get violent.

    The example above is using an extreme example, juxtaposed with what he actually is suggesting. Not sure how it is taken any other way.

    [–]JuniperSunshineSomebody's wife 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Ah, I see. I personally would not use that term. It's going to bother pretty much anyone who sees it, even if they are anti-feminist and inclined to be sympathetic to the problems men face. But whatever floats your boat, I guess.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    MRP, while we occasionally have women in the sub to contribute, will not tone police. We talk with blunt language, by design. Suggesting that mrp shall be changed to be more palatable to others won't be tolerated

    [–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Take the refrigerator back and repair the old. When she goes on the attack use AM or just Nuke it.

    Right here is the answer.

    [–]PineleroMarried 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    One reason I would advise MRP guys to never have a SAHM mom is high loss due to divorce rape from alimony and child support payments (if you are unfortunate enough to not live in a 50/50 state ). So if she is low-income or SAHM then encourage her to earn more, so when you do leave her you won't be hit hard (again assuming you are smart enough to be in a 50/50 state).

    Now let's be paranoid and look at your situation, since it might be that your "wife" has taken this advice. Now that you are earning more, she is at less risk for alimony. She probably knows she will get the kids at least 50% (probably more). So now that you are not a huge future financial and custody risk to her, she is trying to drive you away. Well played on her part.

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    now that you are not huge future financial and custody risk to her, she is trying to drive you away. Well played on her part.

    It is not conscious, but I can see how it is an unconscious motivation. My point is that SHE doesn't see it- not consciously. That gives me an advantage.

    [–]JuniperSunshineSomebody's wife 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Working women divorce men much, much more frequently. Yes, I am a SAHM, so obviously I have a horse in this race. Still, I think many women are unhappy trying to do it all. And since I do all the household stuff, my husband doesn't have to. If you love you some housework and enjoy fighting about dividing up chores, marry a working woman, be my guest.

    [–]PineleroMarried 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Getting a divorce itself is not the risk... it's the aftermath of a divorce that is the issue. Having the feminine imperative misandrist state now involved in your post-divorce life that is the real risk. The gov't is now involved in ruining your finances and family life with paternal custody issues and possible alienation from your kids. Also divorce can lead to incarceration, financial ruin, suicide, and loss of driver's license.

    I don't care about divorce itself... what will be will be. It's minimizing the impact of divorce that is the real issue.

    [–]PineleroMarried 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    BP- just remember men's concept of love romantic and noble while the female's is opportunistic solipsism. Give up the one-it-is.

    Keep in mind the Meatloaf song - "I will do anything for love, but I won't do that".

    When I was in the grip of the FI matrix.. .I always wondered what "that" was. Now that I'm free (or getting more free...), I know what "that" is for me. You need to figure out what "that" is for you.

    [–]CountpudyoolaMarried- MRP MODERATOR 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Wedding bands are a great thing to look at when you're thinking about marriage. Sure... you could humorously think of them as a cuff or shackle, but humor aside what stands out to me is the circle. A loop.

    A loop that as long as you have it on, you will need to remember the cycle of repeating patterns a marriage provides.

    You can choose to get off and back into the wider circle that surrounds a single man's life. Twirling plates , having some fall off and be replaced.

    But a lazy (or temporarily tired/distracted) man participating in either dynamic will find themselves getting flung around like the slow hamster on a wheel or dropping all of his plates and becoming an incel.

    With exception to the 1% of the 1% with regards to stamina , at some points you'll need to dial back, and jog. Or let a few plates drop off. But the key is never get discouraged or fall so far behind you get flung off.

    Once you get your wind back....pick up the pace.

    Do you want to know why we don't have a "respect the tag" on MRP like they have on TRP? Because we are fucking married. We done fucked up from the beginning so I'll be God Damned if that mandates "respect" in any of the infinite realities of the multiverse.

    The only way to stay honest is never shut yourself off from criticism. It's always open season here. Flaired individuals should actually be held to tougher standards as .... they should know better.

    I think money here is only an issue because you're letting it be an issue. Possibly bothering you more than you admit to yourself. It tells me you may be focusing on the wrong things if your wife is slowly sliding up a pantsuit and putting a skirt on you when you're actually making more than you used to.

    So long as you are useful to her you have the option of staying married.

    Ok, who hijacked your account or am I misreading?

    • So long as you maintain enough alpha with provider balance.
    • Tickle the emotions.
    • DON'T BECOME BORING.
    • And her moral/peer group/child rearing desires don't require her to put forth the effort to branch swing higher.
    • and SHE bring enough value to your life

    then you stay married.

    Anyway...I've avoided the actual question so my take:

    How do you handle a subversive wife who literally countermands your decisions? It is one thing to disagree, but what do you do when she overrules you and goes behind your back to sabotage what you have done?

    If you're suddenly in a position where you find you've stepping in a contest where you didn't realize it was a contest... you pay attention to where the field is and AVOID PLAY or treat it like the game it is: for obvious and dramatic !Fun! (like adderallabuse /drtr's suggestion: of returning it. Seriously would be unboring.).

    How did all of this refrigerator crap play out if it really mattered. Did she take it as a delegation? Were you not taking charge of something you should have been? If this really mattered to her more...who gives a shit?

    You have three hots and a big cot and it would appear from an outside spectator on both your salaries a new fridge is a small deal. Why do you g.a.f.?

    "Thanks hon, one more thing off my plate."

    Was this money mission critical to something else it should have been outlined for in bold? Are expectations foggy right now? Do you need to light up the lighthouse?

    Yesterday, we were visiting relatives and I told my son he should bring his bike because that area has some cool bike riding. The wife thought it was necessary to interject into our conversation and inform my son that "No, you don't need to bring your bike with you."

    • <looks at son as if she said nothing or just smirk like something funny was said>, "I'll put it on the rack".

    • <spoken with exaggerated pulpit volume> "Need? No one need do anything but eat, sleep, poop and breath. This is a fulfillment of a want. Son, you want this? Yes? Go grab your bike."

    Or just fog. Or divert. Or ignore.... but, react? Get mad? She hit you with a glancing slap that managed to sting your funny bone.

    Ducks are going to quack. No matter the current situation, women will always probe your weak spots and test. Even if to verify you wont put up with it or laugh it off.

    EDIT: And also, brocefus, your ass needs to be on top of finances. Sounds to me like there's entirely too much carte blanche on her part and controls/expectations and divisions need to be put in place aka leadership. It's always going to tempt the first mate if you've delegated the WHEEL to them to steer it whimsically to see if you notice.

    [–]PineleroMarried 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's almost like BP's spouse read his book and is now beating him at his own game. The fridges (not one but two) were handled the best way she knew how within her skill-set (charge it!). She is sexing him up and backing down from some confrontation. What step of dread is she on?

    [–]pikadildoPurple Pill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Found this linked on MensLib today and thought you may find it relevant/interesting. Particularly the things about differences in how men and women perceive the breadwinning role.

    "Being the primary breadwinner is bad for men's psychological well-being and health"
    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-08/asa-btp081616.php

    I don't follow TRP so maybe it's been covered already and is old news.

    [–]bangorlolMarried 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Quick observation on your situation (correct me if I'm way off here):

    Longer hours = less presence at home for you, no? The way you described the situation tells me your wife notices this and is trying to step up into a leadership position.

    Why should she let you tell your son he could bring his bike? You don't get the whole picture because you're not present. He CAN'T bring it with you because... because... Matriarch Hamster. Seems like she's slid right into the role and will continue to undermine you at every chance because "she knows best* in her mind. How could you possibly know what is best for everyone if you're not involved?

    [–]BobbyPeru 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

    My wife has undermined me in front of my son - it's the ultimate disrespect. When I called her out on it, she gaslighted it. I STFU.

    Simple solution- she's not invited when I hang out with my son.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Funnily enough, I was out to dinner with an old friend last night, he had the exact same fight last week.

    Essentially ghosted her for 3 days, and refused to buckle unless she acknowledged it.

    [–]BobbyPeru 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    How did that work out for him? Seems like a lot of emotional energy to ghost a wife for 3 days... It's also a beta move since he relying on her acknowledgement. Alpha DGAF. Just my thoughts off the top of my head.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    he's a natural, as for how things have worked out for him.

    I don't think I could praise him enough for his life. Just describing some of his stories would sound like a fabrication.

    End of the day, he has the ability to walk, and has first hand experience in women waiting in the wings to replace her, and they both know it. She also knows how hard it is to get a man in her situation.

    So yeah, I would do it differently, but of all the things to call him, beta is not one of them.

    [–]BobbyPeru 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yeah, if it worked... I guess. Just seem like a lot of effort. I don't walk in his shoes - maybe that's exactly what the doctor called for at that time.

    I have a buddy who is naturally RP. His natural skill is plate spinning - knows exactly the right moves at the right times and DGAF if it doesn't happen or he loses one. He always has a few spinning at any given time. He gave relationships a shot a few times, even got married once. I was there when his heart was broken by some whore in 6 inch platform heels. I think he stuck with spinning ever since that one - that was almost 20 years ago.

    Now he is 48. and says he wants to settle down, and he says he can't find the right girl. He's looking for the perfect combination that doesn't exist (as we know on MRP). I suspect he'll continue to spin plates.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Meh, he and I occasionally like to start shit. It's not a job if you enjoy it

    [–]BobbyPeru 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I enjoyed that job in my first marriage, that she served me papers on the driveway a cool Tuesday evening (some kid from the courthouse).

    Probably, one of the best days of my life in retrospect.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's been almost a decade, I'll keep you posted

    [–]sh0ckley -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Simple solution- she's not invited when I hang out with my son.

    Bingo. +1 I've tried to include my wife in places where she is no longer welcome.

    [–]pikadildoPurple Pill 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Do you guys have a budget?

    I assume your role has included control of home and kitchen maintenance in the past.

    Is she moving into the kitchen role?

    Anyway new appliances are off budget and not discretionary I would assume. Bad behavior on that part for sure.

    Divergent expectations. Needs some vision. Sorry to say it mostly sounds like she's filling a leadership void.

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    budget?

    That was all part of my covert contract. I earn a bunch more money, we have a budget and pay off some shit.

    [–]pikadildoPurple Pill 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Two people spending money without a budget is a recipe for disaster. Adding more money to a leaking pot isn't going to solve it. It doesn't matter who's making more money. Budgets are about explicit goals, everyone owning their shit, discipline and evidence.

    Some things that may be going on is that she may not trust you with money and/or she may not like restrictions. You may have to swallow your pride a bit, but you need to get the cuffs on the both of you. Clearly your wife can't handle the CFO role competently. Once the cuffs are on, you can demonstrate your value as an expert manager and become CFO. You can sell a budget as a tool for achieving goals. YNAB does a very good job on selling the benefits of a budget and it promotes a very down-to-earth and practical approach in the stonepimpletilists just do something and fix it later sense. You have an opportunity in the wake of this conflict to lead out to a better position for you both. Think "I'm tired of these arguments and we need a budget yesterday." Finances are a major cause of relationship stress.

    [–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's teaching your kids how to handle their financial shit. Part of being a man that is zero fun.

    A household with 200k coming in that struggles to find its way is a luxury cruise liner with an e coli problem.

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    E coli can be a bitch but this is more like norovirus.

    [–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (50子コメント)

    Second half.

    Why- after all this time- is she still a harpy to you?

    If you can't set up a relationship you enjoy- why are you there?

    On the finances side - its past time you lived like a single man. Literally- what is she going to do? Get upset?

    Why are you so unattractive to her that she does not see a life where you aren't there? More importantly - why does she not fear such a situation?

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Why- after all this time- is she still a harpy to you?

    I know, right? I shut her up for several days, or rather my teengage son shut her up. I walked in the door and she started whining and bitching exactly like a harpy. I rolled my eyes and Amused Masteried her with a pat on the head. My son looked at us both and said in an angry voice:

    "I am never, ever going to get married. What possible advantage is there? Dad has done everything and you still speak to him like that. Are you fucking kidding me. No thanks!"

    [–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well- at least your kid is getting something out of your marriage

    [–]drty_pr -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

    If he actually included the F bomb aswell, you raised him right man.

    [–]PineleroMarried -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    .... I would not allow my kids to speak to my woman like that (i.e F-bomb). There is a hierarchy that must be maintained.

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My older kid is an adult and talks pretty much however he wants. We try to get him to respect his momma and he told me later that he WAS respecting her by only dropping 1 f-bomb. He said: "Dad, being disrespectful would have been saying what I really thought- that your wife is an unbelievable fucking bitch. Seriously man, fuck her."

    From the mouth of babes.

    [–]drty_pr -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Under the circumstances provided above, I most definitely would allow him to talk to his mom like this. They are establishing a proper mother/son dynamic. At some point a son has to stand up to his mother and become a man himself.

    [–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    At some point a son has to stand up to his mother and become a man himself.

    Solid advice right here. Goes well with yesterday askmrp post from the guy that can't prioritize his own family over his parents. If a man can't stand up to his mom, he does not have a prayer with the wife.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 2ポイント3ポイント  (42子コメント)

    This is the last major place that she has power over him and she uses power in a Machiavellian, DT way (AWALT).

    [–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (40子コメント)

    The way to treat this - imo and at this point is nuclear.

    Games ? Ok cool. I got games.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 2ポイント3ポイント  (39子コメント)

    It always was a nuclear issue. She shows no fear, bullies, takes every advantage, but every-time the professor pushes back, she backs down. Every time.

    Remember the old Billy Jack movies? Pushed the guy to the end of his non-violent rope, then he kicked ass. Same show, different guy.

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (38子コメント)

    every-time the professor pushes back, she backs down. Every time.

    This is so true! It's almost like she is giving me shit as some kind of test to provoke a reaction or something.

    [–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (36子コメント)

    well, whats your reaction going to be, Professor Blue Balls?

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (35子コメント)

    Who said anything about blue balls? Along with the shit testing she has upped the sex game quite a bit and has been fucking with raw desperation. If I ever doubted it, now I know beyond doubt that Shit testing really is a form of foreplay with women. Bitches be crazy.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 4ポイント5ポイント  (31子コメント)

    she has upped the sex game manipulation quite a bit and has been fucking with raw desperation desperate to regain control. ….I have responded, again, with increased Oneitis.

    there- fixed it. I know this game. Lived it.

    [–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

    AH, thanks!

    Professor is forgetting that a woman who desires him doesn't also disrespect him. Fucking as a tool are different... but I am pretty sure most men can't tell the difference as they are being fucked.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

    most men can't tell the difference as they are being fucked

    Yes, certainly. He We got the GFE...

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Thanks for the clarification. I know exactly what she is doing- but she doesn't.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    but she doesn't

    Do you know why you said that to defend her actions?

    [–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    ugh, thanks for putting that in my head

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    ugh, me too. Actually this little thread is banging around in my head too. Not pretty when you look at the reality up close.

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

    This is exceptional prose and phrase turning. I so much want to criticize it- or should I say defend, explain, evade, and rationalize it but...yah. Today she stayed home with the kid and cleaned the entire house while working from home. Even steam cleaned the carpets. It's almost a contest. I am stepping up so she has to do even more. LOL. You were given the mother fucking Garden of Eden bitch, and you still couldn't be happy. Why would the man "stepping up" make her happy?

    I know! I know! It won't. There must be more...more...more.

    Now explain to me the difference between the Captain & /r/thefamilyalpha AND the guy with oneitis. Where is that line?

    [–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Where is that line?

    The line is the door frame when she choose to stand on the other side of your mission.

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I only can speak about that which I really know well, myself. When I recognize similar behavior and similar thinking, I try to add a wider view for you, and for myself in the process.

    All that to say that my experience has been what I call, "rolling main events." Things would go very well for a few days, or a couple of weeks, then BAM, here comes another big event. Then repeat. For all my hard work and self reflection, these ended just recently and I am pretty sure I now know why.

    What would happen: Every time things started getting better, I started getting Oneitis again. I would fall back into the blue pill day dream, just a little. Just enough to unleash the wrath of the Medusa. Then I would come back to REALITY and things got better fast. Repeat.

    Once I quit falling back into the blue and purple haze, the rolling big events stopped, completely.

    Amazingly, Rollo had a recent post about this, just as I was finally getting better.

    My advice for you, from probably the oldest guy on the sub….the problem is you and you can solve it by killing those blue and purple thoughts with fire.

    The first time anyone said that to me was CAD. I thought it a strange way to talk, now I own it and play it forward again. Kill it with fire!

    My Best.

    [–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Here is the thing - I don't think TFA ever had a "harpy" wife. Maybe he vetted better than most of the rest of us. Fuck maybe he is just a better man that most of us.

    Or maybe one day when he is about 33 it will all keep crashing down. Don't know.

    We all have different experiences

    [–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    So, she is fucking you enough for you to submit to her shit tests? I ask again.. what did you DO? what are you going to do?

    [–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Objection, assumes facts not in evidence, asked and answered, irrelevant, and immaterial. There has been no evidence presented suggesting submission to any shit tests although there may be various interpretations tending to show a failure to pass said test. My action plan is to continue working my ass off until the credit card debt is paid off (Sorry, spent the morning in court listening to the fools talk).

    [–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Prof, honestly, I think you missed the point.

    allow me to clarify: She pulled this level of shit after how long exactly of you being a worthwhile man specimen?

    You can claim facts not in evidence all you like, but the bottom line is shit was tested in a way that demands nuclear responses. Not just from a man. But from ANY partner. And there was no stated evidence of either passing nor taking on said shit test.

    Unless you plead the fifth, you are guilty of failure to lead.

    And you are going to work YOUR ass of to pay the credit cards SHE fucked up? ( by your implication)

    Really? Are you trying to make new Covert Contract examples for part two of your book?

    [–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I can only imagine you saying that with a straight face, too! Priceless.

    [–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm sure the correlation between paycheck and purchase wasn't an accident

    [–]InChargeMan -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You being in charge (if not at least 50% say) of the finances in unrelated to who earns more.

    [–]GargantuaBlarg29 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Harder since you are the underdog financially...but at the end of the day if she's not willing to step down from captain and decides to nuke any value she could bring to you by being financially responsible, the option may be to financially divorce her. Separate bank accounts. Separate credit cards. She handles her shit you handle yours. Purchases for the house (fridge, repairs) are made based on percentage of total income (you make double, you pay twice as much for new furnace). Sure you are still financially linked to her debt by that ever annoying marriage contract...only a full divorce would fix that...which may be the answer if she still cannot manage her money on her own. Who knows though, maybe a hard dose of reality realizing she cannot handle her money responsibly on her own may have her running to you to make amends.