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[–]whatsausername90 330ポイント331ポイント  (39子コメント)

"We don't like that Trump won - so let's blame all the people who didn't vote for him."

[–]Gotaaa 77ポイント78ポイント  (18子コメント)

Truer words have never been spoken. I'm not even a lib but I gave Johnson my vote. Many friends and family have lectured me.

[–]mastersword130 45ポイント46ポイント  (17子コメント)

My father did and mostly anyone I said I didn't vote for Hillary but third party. Fuck them, I do not like Trump but that doesn't mean I liked Clinton either. We have choices and my choice didn't make Trump win, it just means Democrats didn't go out and vote.

[–]DankJemo 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

Right? It's not our fault Clinton, the DNC and even other democratic voters that felt strongly about Clinton didn't motivate their party into voting this year. It's the national championship of the "Blame Game." When it comes right down to it, only people that can be blamed fro the loss are Clinton and her campaign managers. They earned this loss fair and square.

[–]TheMiddleLuigi 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

I also would like to point part of the blame to the DNC.

[–]spen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone who colluded to rig the primaries. This includes Hillary's camp, DNC, CNN, NYT, etc.

[–]xyniphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The dnc was the clinton campaign right from before she started running, they are automatically included.

[–]boxzonk 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

With the outrageous and enormous helping of pro-Clinton bias in everything, from polls to news reports, it is ridiculously embarrassing that she still lost. That she is now trying to blame other people for it is even worse.

[–]riskbreaker23 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pretty much. Close to the same amount of people who voted for McCain and Romney voted for Trump. However the votes for Clinton were a fraction of the votes for Obama.

It's not that Trump got a lot of people to vote for him. It was that Clinton failed to rally the people to vote for her.

[–]X90210 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, you shouldn't use Obama's numbers. He scored record turnout. Don't think Sanders would have scored that high either.

[–]GoldenShowe2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just means that either of the 2 primaries didn't earn your vote, nothing more. We shouldn't be focused on red v. blue anyway.

[–]StuUllman 20ポイント21ポイント  (7子コメント)

Gotta change from first past post to ranked choice.

[–]whatsausername90 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

Any time I see someone complain about this election, I'm going to mention that. It really is critical to getting better candidates. #EndFPTP

[–]StuUllman 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how we get yelled at for voting 3rd party. God forbid we don't want to fall into the lesser of two evil battle. That's so unpatriotic.

[–]StuUllman 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]whatsausername90 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, I'm so happy that passed! I want to see it happen in other states as well, but the first step will have to be awareness of the problem/possible solutions by a larger portion of the population.

[–]StuUllman 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it will spread like wildfire. Hopefully by the next election, it will be in place.

[–]ikorolou 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Laboratories of democracy right? If it works well in Maine, other states will be able to adopt a similar model

[–]Seymour_Johnson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have a pretty interesting system in Louisiana. There are no primaries, so there can be multiple candidates from the same party on the ballot. (We had two libertarians on the ballot for senator) you get one choice but they have to get over 50% to win or you get a run off. If there isn't, they pick the two with the highest percentage and have them do a run off later in the month. This means there could be two people from the same party in the run off.

[–]ColtonHD 361ポイント362ポイント  (42子コメント)

People who say third party vote decided the election are dumb. Clinton being unelectable decided the election

[–]mkay0 47ポイント48ポイント  (13子コメント)

Yep. The main story of this election is people being reticent to vote for Hillary. Everything else is so much smaller.

Barry O beat McCain 69.5 million to 59.9 million.

He beat Romney 65.9 million to 60.9 million.

Hillary got 60.5 million and Trump got 60.1 million

Democrats lost five million voters from one election to the next! That's on Hillary. Trump didn't rally some base and whip people into a frenzy, he just got the number that Republicans are good for, 60 million or so. Hillary lost it, period.

[–]CarpeCol 35ポイント36ポイント  (8子コメント)

Oh i disagree, all those people who voted Obama and then switched to Trump were made rascist by Trump. It's the only possible explanation.

[–]Mortimier 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

This is a joke right

[–]CarpeCol 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yep.

[–]Mortimier 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sorry its hard to tell nowadays

[–]CarpeCol 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

No problems. Though thinking about it how mamy people who voted for Obama, went on to vote for Trump.?

[–]Cavsio 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably not many, seeing how trump got less votes than romney

[–]Seymour_Johnson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I bet it isn't insignificant. My dad is a moderate republican but voted for Obama 1 because he was tired of GWB. He ended up voting third party as a protest but I'm sure many people like him voted for Trump.

[–]spen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A little easier now the CTR has gone dark

[–]pandaSmore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can tell by the polite way they start their sentence.

[–]ivebeenhereallsummer 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Republicans actually decreased in votes despite population growth. Millennials are the largest generation in modern times and they can all vote now. But they didn't.

[–]eggshellmoudling 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some of us did. Most morally conflicted votes I've ever participated in. Those who say Bernie wouldn't have generated enough turnout either didn't get a fair chance to see a properly motivated millennial generation.

[–]kyleway 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

a properly motivated millennial generation.

BOOM! The DNC can go ahead and take ALL the blame for that by deciding they were going to back Hillary 8 years ago.

[–]livemau5 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I voted. I wouldn't be able to live with myself had Hillary made it into office and I did nothing to stop her. Not to mention that I really wanted weed to be legal.

[–]FailedSociopath 39ポイント40ポイント  (5子コメント)

Looking at the breakdowns, that lack of 3rd party votes would have helped Clinton doesn't appear likely since Gary Johnson lead that group.

 

They know what they did but they just refuse to own up to it and fix the problem. They think if they keep up the lie, we'll all come to believe it as well and we'll all magically get behind whomever they prop up. They can look forward to more of the same.

[–]andysay 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

These people that claim third parties stole it are dense. They make a fantasy scenario in 4 States or 5 states where they pull votes from some candidates and only add it to their own candidate. They only do it in those few states, and they don't add votes to theit opponent.

 

For example, they add 100% of Steins numbers to HRC (which is assuming a LOT) but then they don't add McMullin or Castle's votes to Trump. It's nothing more than a fantasy

[–]capincus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

CNN published an article where they made Clinton win by giving her 100% of Stein's votes in swing states and 50% of Johnson's. But they left the other 50% alone and gave 0 additional votes to Trump...

[–]FowD9 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

why, just because gary johnson is a libertarian, i.e. not even remotely close to the democrat platform?

while that would make absolute sense that those vote would go to republican before democrat. this election cycle were full of people that went full retard voting for johnson even though they're "hardcore liberals"... it's as if they don't understand what the libertarian platform stands for

[–]FailedSociopath 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

why, just because gary johnson is a libertarian, i.e. not even remotely close to the democrat platform?

Basically. In many of the swing states (giving a somewhat sloppy glance, admittedly), GJ's total votes seem to be on the same order of magnitude to the R-D difference, which remains true even if adding in the other 3rd parties. IMO, there's no reason to presume there were enough "full retards" to make up the gap.

[–]FowD9 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

the democratic party had a way lower turn out then even expected and gary johnson had a way higher turnout then expected. it's not a longshot to say that, that is where the "full retards" made up the gap

[–]mastersword130 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been downvoted and accused in being a trump supporter from the Hillary supporter and no one else. Makes me dislike them even more.

[–]furiousxgeorge 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

All of this was predictable as a possibility if you looked at how Clinton did vs. Sanders with independents. (And if you didn't overestimate how disgusted the country would be by Trump) Democratic primary voters forgot electability meant more than appealing just to Democratic primary voters.

[–]Simplerdayz 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Only 17% of Gary Johnson's total votes could have got Clinton elected. These votes were in the states of Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida and Arizona.

[–]capincus 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you take 17% of his total votes, but definitely not with 17% of his votes in those states... So that's some ridiculous math.

[–]Simplerdayz -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Only 17% of Gary Johnson's total votes

"These votes"

My math is fine and that's exactly what I said.

[–]capincus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay so then you just want to magically change our electoral system to where you can take votes from different states and apply them to other states to get your desired outcome? You can do math, you're just an idiot, congrats.

[–]loki-things 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Accountability is weak with them. It's easier to blame others.

[–]cerialthriller 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i mean i would have voted democrat instead of Gary Johnson if their candidate was even only mildly terrible. I decided who to vote for only hours before I went to vote.

[–]equus007 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it kinda did though because for most of the campaign Trump was essentially a 3rd party candidate. He was on the R ticket but nearly all of them disavowed him and his platform, whatever that was, had nothing to do with the Republican party.

There really wasn't a Republican candidate this year. Would have been nice if there wasn't a Democrat either but they weaseled one in.

[–]Dial_the_911 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, she's unelectable. That's totally why she won the popular vote.

[–]capincus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cool, so she totally would have been electable in a country where the election has anything to do with the popular vote. Here in America it hasn't for the past 240 years the country has existed.

[–]ColtonHD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You shouldn't be president if you ignore half of the country, and she ignored middle america.

[–]ProjectGSX 30ポイント31ポイント  (5子コメント)

You know, if all of those Clinton voters had not thrown their vote away and instead voted for Gary Johnson, Gary Johnson would have won.

[–]LNhart 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

You know, had half of the Trump voters voted for Hillary ... Hillary would have won!!!

[–]HowRiskyIsDatClick 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

You know, if everyone just voted for Harambe, he still would have lost because he's a fucking gorilla.

[–]LNhart 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ok but in that case, had all the Harambe voters voted for Hillary, she would have won!

[–]neatles 51ポイント52ポイント  (2子コメント)

Both sides said my vote was a vote for the other side

[–]ShimmyPig 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Schrodinger's vote!

[–]BassBeerNBabesI voted Johnson/Weld and You should Too! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to tell my kids I cast Schrodinger's vote this election.

[–]sarysaI voted Johnson/Weld in Swing State(FL)! 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh man...this needs to be on r/all

[–]Bosch1962 62ポイント63ポイント  (21子コメント)

Voting for a 3rd party candidate is less of a wasted vote than voting for the "lesser of 2 evils" offered by the 2 major parties.

[–]xiggy_stardust 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've had this exact experience, I've been told that I'm selfish for voting for my own reasons, as opposed to voting for "what's best for everyone". I don't see how HRC would have been best for everyone, nor do I feel that way about Trump.

I've had people on social media cut ties with me simply because I didn't "suck it up and vote for Hillary". Not that I feel too bad about it, if you end friendships over elections, you're really not much of a friend.

I refused to play the 2 party bs game this time around, but Hillary has herself and the DNC to bare most of the blame here.

[–]HowRiskyIsDatClick 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Voting how you feel is what voting is all about in the first place. The fuck

[–]crownvics 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or you know... The 49% of eligible citizens that didn't vote at all.

[–]Poached_Polyps 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It fucking baffles my mind that people just don't fucking vote. I was at the pub watching this shit show and the bartender was complaining about it all and then mentioned they didn't even votes for was like "what's the point?" The point being we had a lot of huge measures on the ballot that will directly affect you.

[–]Gametista 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

So I'm bisexual and the LGBT community touts itself as all inclusive. Unfortunately I have found this to be a load of BS, especially after this election. If you're not a bleeding heart liberal who voted for Hillary, fuck you and whatever orientation you stand for because clearly you're supporting Trump since you didn't vote for her. I'm tired of feeling fucking isolated! Where do folks like me go!??! :(

[–]TheDeuceBabaI voted Johnson '12 & '16! 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Tell the people who said that to you that the Libertarian Party is the most pro-LGBT party of all, and it has always been that way.

[–]Gametista 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

None of them want to hear it. Because I'm not for whatever government program they're pushing at the time, doesn't matter, I'm the bad guy.

The rare times they do want to hear it, they're not really listening and just think I'm a stupid, silly gal, filled with delusions of grandeur. Then they proceed to tell me how foolish my thinking is and how it'll never work.

After that, I am ignored. I have many community members on my FB, but they never actually talk to me or engage in discussion. Even when I privately message them! They keep me on their friends list out of obligation it seems.

[–]HowRiskyIsDatClick 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are, unfortunately, being the very definition of a bigot.

[–]Caseycrowe 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You may be right at home here. We've had equality for all in our party platform since it's inception in 1972. Not just since it's been en vogue.

[–]Gametista 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know, I've been a libertarian for my entire life. I've just not found a queer group of libertarians or ones who think along the lines of liberty anyway.

[–]HowRiskyIsDatClick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's very sad. All I see on Facebook is my liberal friends posting stuff about, "If you voted Trump, please explain why you're a racist, sexist, homophobe." Like, yeah, I voted Trump but I'm none of those things.

[–]STUMP_AND_DUMP 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your vote is terrible unless it's for the person I wanted.

[–]TheDeityRyan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You guys should just push for election reform because it is impossible for 3 parties to survive in this system.

[–]jgagnon_in_FL 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

Are there any polls of GJ voters ala "gun to my head" Left or Right which way they would have voted?

[–]512Hokie 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty sure most of us would've said "gun".

[–]BaylorYou 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I always love that argument.

"If someone held a gun to your head, who would you vote for? Hillary or Trump?"

Me: "I wouldn't vote for Hillary or Trump."

"Yeah, but if you had to choose."

Me: "I don't have to choose between them."

"I'm saying if someone held a gun to your head and made you pick."

Me: "That would never happen, if there were no third party candidates on the ballot, I wouldn't vote."

"Yeah, but if you had to pick between the two."

Me: "I don't have to though."

and on and on it goes.

[–]therealjerseytom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"If someone held a gun to your head, who would you vote for? Hillary or Trump?"

"Go ahead, pull the trigger :)"

[–]AtmaJnana 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I doubt it, but most people seem to assume GJ voters are crypto-Republicans.

[–]DaedricWindrammer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well we're at least classical republicans, but I guess people don't really know what that means.

[–]LNhart 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Down get the downvotes, legit question - I personally didn't vote, not American, but would have voted Johnson, Hillary being my personal second choice though.

I'm pretty confident that a lot of Johnson voters would have voted Trump or not at all though. Maybe even Stein.

Now all the anti-3rd Party rethoric assumes that all Johnson voters would have preferred or voted Hillary, and that's just absolute bullshit.

[–]DaedricWindrammer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll be honest even though I voted for Johnson, Hillary was my second choice. Civil rights and environmentalism are pretty important topics for me.

Although if there's one good thing to come out of this election, I predict that we're going to start seeing a wave of gun- owning liberals.

[–]Doingitwronf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was at least one poll and it declared a 51% to 42% split (Hillary to Trump) and 7% no-vote. The media went on about how if all third party voters followed those numbers, Hillary totally would have won! Because after all, Michigan turned blue!

So I did the math, and Michigan was the only state that turned blue.

[–]futureruins 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hate to break it to all the 'status quo'ers' out there, but the same 1 - 3% have been voting independent for years. If your candidate is counting on those to win, their strategy sucks.

[–]BearsBeatzBattlestar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even more strange.. Why do they assume libertarian votes would have immediately gone to Clinton? Why wouldn't have people have just gone to Trump instead?

[–]RVA4Liberty 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know two people I would have figured voted for Clinton. One went for Jill, the other wrote in Bernie.

[–]yankeegmc 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Screw these people who said my Johnson vote was a waste. I woke up Wednesday morning with an absolutely clear conscience knowing I voted for who I wanted. No buyers remorse here.

[–]TheFatJesus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This line of thinking is what lost her the election in the first place. She assumed that with Sanders gone all of his supporter would fall in line behind her. Now her supporters assume that without third party candidates all of the people that voted third party would vote for her by default.

[–]DronedAgain 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The votes that went to the third party this time would not have changed the outcome of this election had they gone to either the Rep or Dem candidate.

What determined this election was Democrats got cocky and didn't vote - or they didn't want to vote for Hillary. Either way, the Dems who stayed home determined this election.

[–]3thanguy7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats the magic of the spoiler effect.

[–]EoinIsTheKing 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

CGP Grey would be ashamed.

[–]pecka_th 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

No one actually says that right? And why would it make a difference if someone voted third party vs not voting?

[–]cssvt 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, Seth MacFarlane managed to get about 37,000 retweets and 68,000 likes from this...

https://twitter.com/SethMacFarlane/status/796172556445175808

I personally wound up abstaining in the end...but it still rubbed me the wrong way.

[–]LNhart 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like the logic that all protest voters would have voted Hillary if Gary Johnson wasn't on the ballot - because that is clearly what protest looks like.

Or, alternatively, I like the idea that protest voters are super sad about the establishment candidate losing.

[–]pandaSmore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ಠ_ಠ implying the majority of votes for Gary were a protest vote.

[–]mastersword130 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude, just look at my history. I got hated by some dude because I voted third party

[–]ballpitpredator 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

smug 20 year olds all over my facebook believe it.

[–]TheBeardItches 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I live in very liberal Tucson and most of my Social Media reflects this...this exact claim has been all over my Facebook wall since late Tuesday night.

[–]MusicAndMoreMusic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My friends felt the need to lecture me about how my vote was a vote for Trump. This is America, and I am not prepared to stand behind either candidate. I am entitled to my vote, and no one has the right to pressure me into feeling like my vote is wrong.

[–]Assangeisshit -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Of course they say it, because it is true.

A 3rd party vote has literally no chance at ever electing a 3rd part politician. In that manner, it doesn't count. You are throwing it in the garbage.

On the other hand, a 3rd party vote is one less vote for an actual contender for the office, meaning whomever you would have otherwise voted for now is less likely to win.

At the end of the day voting third party right now is just dumb. If you want to be able to vote third party and not be wasting your time, effort, and vote, vote for either of the two actual options and do everything in your power to convince them to start changing the electoral system. The solution to our two-party system is to not vote third party.. at least for now.

[–]96822 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

meaning whomever you would have otherwise voted for now is less likely to win

and what if you wouldn't have voted for either of the other two at all?

[–]Assangeisshit -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then you need to re-evaluate how you choose who to vote for. Because one candidate, no matter what, is always at least slightly better than the other. Be it in terms of how good or bad a president they are, or how likely they are to fix the two party system.

By not voting for either of them, you are effectively allowing the greater of two possible evils to enter office. And since the solution to the two party system is playing damage control until it can be fixed, this is the opposite of what you should be doing.

[–]BayronDotOrg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you really not understand this?

[–]QuestionSleep86 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The electoral college decided the election. Some other people too, but first and foremost the electoral college, and by extension the constitution that established it.

Your third party vote counted exactly as much as the hundreds of thousands of extra votes Clinton had. Thanks for voting, better luck next time.

[–]abraksis747 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Your Tears are Delicious and your parties will Die!"

[–]themolestedsliver 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how people still say we caused trump even if we voted in a blue state.

I voted in New york i knew Hilary was going to win and my vote will not matter per electoral college.

I voted for Gary johnson with that in mind to "vote for who i agree with the most" as per how elections are suppose to be handled.

Now everyone wants to point fingers and blame the electoral college and 3rd party voters for their loss.

They really need to grow up, it really isn't our fault your candidate lost the electoral college is a fucked system and trump is kind of a loose cannon but it is quite unfair to shift that blame to us.

The amount of "how is you third party protest vote going" disgusts me, so even though i voted for gary johnson in a blue state that all the electoral votes went to Hillary i should be at fault?

stop pointing fingers and try to work on the success of trump, his success is our success now.

[–]dethskwirl -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

if you really have to ask this question regarding how third party votes affect our election system, than you are truly ignorant of a) simply how math works and b) how our electoral college works. there is no hope for you.

[–]el-toro-loco 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Voting third party is like being a Texans fan. My team won't make it to the Super Bowl, but that won't stop me from cheering for them.

[–]AidanHU4L 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It absolutely didn't and anyone that thinks if X third party candidate dropped out the results would be different Is dillusional. However the way a spoiler candidate like Johnson works, voting for him might not matter (won't win) AND decide the election

[–]moonmixer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When someone says "3rd party votes don't count", they mean that they aren't going to result in the election of your candidate. They don't mean they literally don't count. Obviously they count, and obviously that vote mattered insofar as they probably wanted you to place it elsewhere (where it might actually contribute to someone's election).

[–]P15T0L_WH1PP3D 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you asked /r/The_Donald one week ago, they would have told you that your Gary Johnson vote is a vote for Hillary.

If you asked /r/EnoughTrumpSpam one week ago, they would have told you that your Gary Johnson vote is a vote for Trump.

They can't both be right, but the outcome of the election can't be what determines who is wrong. I didn't support Trump at all. He won in spite of that. He won in spite of all the votes for Hillary, too. You can't say their votes didn't count just because they didn't end up on the winning team.

My vote wasn't against anyone. It was for someone. I mean, maybe you could say it was against all other candidates but then that proves the point that it wasn't for Hillary or Trump. So everyone can kiss my rebel dick.

[–]sloth788 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rofl.

At least you can keep can the moral high ground while we're left with Trump.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but in a winner take all system, like in America, you vote against people, not for people.

[–]WinterSith 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. So we voted against Hillary. What's your point?

[–]alderthorn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maine is going to be switching to ranked voting after this election. Question 5 passed so that should throw out the argument that your throwing away your vote.

[–]The14thNoah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have seen so many of my friends get shit when they said they voted third party. Frankly, this has shown us who the intolerant ones are.

[–]Azoonux 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Trumpster here, who is the actual 2nd choice as President for Johnson supporters? I made a poll to get a better idea

http://www.strawpoll.me/11626902

Edit: Thanks for answering my poll, and politely informing me that many of you wouldn't vote for either one if those were the only two options :) Have a good weekend

[–]AtmaJnana 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

You set up a false dichotomy. My second choice would have been either not voting on POTUS or write-in. Jill Stein wasn't on my ballot, so those were my options.

[–]Azoonux 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Alright, I repsect that. The poll was made to see if a lack of 3rd party candidate would swing the election in Clintons favor

[–]soayherder 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think though that that's the problem that the blamers are overlooking: that for many third-party voters, they voted for Johnson because both Clinton and Trump were - to these - unacceptable candidates to a very strong degree. Sure, some may have been able to hold their noses and vote for a main party candidate, but many came down to being unable or unwilling to throw the vote at either without feeling it a bridge too far.

This is not to criticize those who could or those who did, just that the narrative I'm seeing on here, many Johnson supporters might have voted for someone else had there been someone else (I see Sanders mentioned a lot) - but not for either HRC or Trump. So an either-or poll exemplifies why Johnson got these votes in the first place. (And also exemplifies why the blame is mistakenly assigned; these votes would never have gone to Clinton anyway.)

[–]xiggy_stardust 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, my vote for Johnson was because I didn't care for either of those two, so I don't really have a second choice among them. I would have gladly voted for Bernie Sanders if I had the option.

If I was forced to pick one, maybe Trump, simply because I've had more negative interactions with Hillary's supporters than with Trump's. People who supported Trump have seemed to be okay with me not supporting him, I can't say the same about the "I'm with her" people. Because according to them, if you're not with her, you're helping "the second coming of Hitler" rise to power.

[–]JustSayTomato 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the Democratic party is going to be in for hard times in the mid-term elections. It's hard to sway voters when you spend 6 months calling them all mysoginist, racist bigots.

[–]xiggy_stardust 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely, and many people aren't going to just forget all of the things that the DNC and it's former chair were up to. They relied on people being ignorant of what was going on, but it backfired. Their next nominee is going to have to somehow regain trust in the party.

[–]Trot1217 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

i mean your leaving off my choice which is write in.

[–]Azoonux 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Alright, I respect your choice. If that was the case for every Johnson voter, not having a 3rd party candidate wouldn't matter to either DJT or HRC :)

[–]justaFluffypanda -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well traditionally the 3rd party vote has usually siphoned votes away from the Democratic nominee, just look what happened in 2000.

[–]JustSayTomato 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not true at all. Look at the 1992 election, where Ross Perot got almost 19% of the vote, running as an independent. Almost all of his votes came from Republican leaning voters. He was a Texas oil man running on a fiscal conservancy, pro-gun platform against another Texan (George Bush). Bill Clinton won by a landslide and most of the midwest that leans Republican went Democrat. The same thing happened again in '96, with Perot getting ~8% of the vote and the Democrats again winning swaths of the country that normally go Republican.

The fact of the matter is that half of the country that's eligible to vote just don't bother. The only time they have come out is for Obama's initial run in 2008. Neither of the two parties put forth a candidate that people genuinely like and are excited about. They continue to push the most polarizing issues and can't sway independents and apathetic voters. That's all there is to it. Unlikeable candidates don't get voter turnout.