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[–]hypnozooid 29ポイント30ポイント  (12子コメント)

How much time do you usually spend finding, researching, and writing out these posts? Do you start them when you find something interesting and work on a few over time and then post them when you finish one, or do you do the whole thing at once? It took me a lot longer than I was expecting to write that steam engine one, but you post stuff like this which is way more in depth than that what seems like every few days.

Also, I think this is the only post on the front page of /r/Drama right now that isn't "someone I disagree with politically did something wrong / said something stupid", completely off topic shitposts, or retarded metajerking. Arguably the vegan thing has a lot of drama mixed in with the metajerking, but either way the subreddit would be a lot better if more people were like you.

[–]snallygaster[S] 23ポイント24ポイント  (10子コメント)

How much time do you usually spend finding, researching, and writing out these posts?

It depends on the subject matter and circumstance; sometimes when I'm dicking around for a few hours I stumble across something cool and post it, sometimes I run into goldmines worth of stuff and hold onto it so as not fatigue everyone with posts of the same topic, and sometimes I post about stuff I knew about a long time ago after reading for updates. Same goes for writing; it usually ranges from 30 mins to 2 hrs, though this one probably took ~4-5hrs over a few days. Researching it might have taken the same time just because there was so much material on Andy. I feel like I've barely even scratched the surface.

Do you start them when you find something interesting and work on a few over time and then post them when you finish one, or do you do the whole thing at once?

I usually do one at a time and try and write them all at once so I don't lose focus on the story and stay interested, then post it after reviewing it once or twice and make more edits after I've posted it. This and maybe the Kiki one were probably the only posts that took more than a day. Though usually I start on a thread a day or so after I research a topic if it seems fun to write about and people would find it entertaining.

It took me a lot longer than I was expecting to write that steam engine one, but you post stuff like this which is way more in depth than that what seems like every few days.

Yeah, it takes a long ass time to research and write stuff like this, especially if there are multiple sources. That said, exploring the internet is my favorite hobby and I don't play vidya or anything, so it takes as much time as someone would regularly pour into their interests.

Also, I think this is the only post on the front page of /r/Drama right now that isn't "someone I disagree with politically did something wrong / said something stupid", completely off topic shitposts, or retarded metajerking. Arguably the vegan thing has a lot of drama mixed in with the metajerking, but either way the subreddit would be a lot better if more people were like you.

Yeah, it's been getting pretty bad lately, but it seems to come and go in cycles. I think it's because there's no right-wing type SRD, so people come to shitpost here instead. Oh well, what can you do. It'd definitely be nice if more people put effort into finding interesting stuff or doing write-ups, but I guess it's not something everybody likes to do.

[–]bleasehalb 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah, it's been getting pretty bad lately, but it seems to come and go in cycles.

Did such a golden age exist?

[–]snallygaster[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/drama was always shit

[–]bleasehalb 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

This tbh. Your effortposts won't get much people talking because the amount of intelligence to make jokes/discussion that aren't related to politics is too high a bar for most people here, me included.

[–]snallygaster[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's alright, at least some people get entertainment out of it hopefully.

[–]geraldo42Some SRSter alt 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

It has cycles for sure. The height of gamergate was awful and this current trend of election related agenda posts might be a new low. I'm getting really tired of people posting normal news stories with fake titles and claiming they're drama. No, Bush didn't actually vote for Hillary but thanks so much for posting that /r/drama user. I really wanted this sub to be a shittier version of /r/news!

[–]snallygaster[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This time I'm not sure if the political shit is going away, though. There might be something to be said about how subscriber counts change subs, plus there aren't any rules aside from what Joan creates on drunken tirades so ofc people with an agenda are gonna abuse that to have a platform. imo unless there's a big push to post other stuff that isn't sociopolitical, /r/drama might permanently be in the shitter unless we make rules, which is equally if not more shitty. Hopefully things change after the election, tho. Though that prly won't stop the 'SJW did this' posts.

[–]geraldo42Some SRSter alt 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I always advocate for coordinated public bullying as an enforcement measure.

[–]Pepperglue 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

That is professionalism.

I used to think r/drama is a place for me to look at stupid people doing stupid thing and we shitpost about them, but you have changed it completely.

Oh well, what can you do. It'd definitely be nice if more people put effort into finding interesting stuff or doing write-ups, but I guess it's not something everybody likes to do.

It takes a lot of effort to do it, especially so when so many dramas are low-fruit and just plain stupid. While it is enjoyable to sit down and be smug at it, it does not give the viewer a lot of motivation to write something meaningful about it.

[–]snallygaster[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I used to think r/drama is a place for me to look at stupid people doing stupid thing and we shitpost about them, but you have changed it completely.

Thanks! :D

It takes a lot of effort to do it, especially so when so many dramas are low-fruit and just plain stupid. While it is enjoyable to sit down and be smug at it, it does not give the viewer a lot of motivation to write something meaningful about it.

That's true. imo both low-effort and high-effort stuff is fun, though it would be nice if /r/drama had less low-effort political/'SJW did this' shit.

[–]Pepperglue 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

less low-effort political/'SJW did this' shit.

That would be neigh impossible. Since SJWs and its counterparts are great lolcows, and we know we love our lolcows.

[–]Nerdlinger 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

'Andy' for 'Orlando Bloom'

Out of this entire write up, this was the most baffling thing to me. Perhaps because I already assumed fandom people to be mentally unstable whackadoodles.

[–]snallygaster[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, for whatever reason he seems to have some sort of weird thing with adopting names that are slightly similar to celebrities'/characters' names. Same with 'Jordan Wood'; Jordan is Elijah Wood's middle name I guess.

[–]Prince_Kropotkin 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

snally you need to get a book contract about this shit (ridiculous internet dramas) ASAP

[–]Misplaced-Rabbit 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just wanted to say that this was really well written snallygaster, thank you for taking the time to write it up. I don't know much about fandoms, but this kind of cult like status around certain people seems to be a somewhat frequent event doesn't it? Do you happen to have any tales about a fandom driving someone to act this way rather than someone coming in to use it for their own gain?

[–]snallygaster[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's pretty frequent in that someone seems to pop up and do something like this every 5 years or so. As for fandom driving someone to act this way, Sarah from the Sarah Saga might be an example. Otherwise, the closest examples that I know of are people becoming "big name fans" by writing popular fanfiction or drawing popular art, getting way too big for their britches, and manipulating their fans while causing problems in their fandom's 'inner circle'.

[–]Millherlite 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

According to his tumblr, he seems to have gathered a small group of followers he calls the 'posse' in Virginia. I wonder if that's gonna go anywhere.

I hope this doesn't end in another murder/suicide.

[–]snallygaster[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

Huh, that's interesting + scary. Got any links?

[–]Millherlite 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's in the tumblr FAQ you linked under number 3.

3 What’s the posse? A group of about 20-40 really diverse people ages 18-40+ ranging from Virginia Beach to Richmond to Northern VA who have a variety of overlapping Venn diagrams of fannish interests and occasionally gather 5-10 times a month in groups of 3-20 to watch our shows or hang out. We were named by Winjennster.  Some of us met online, some were friends for years before, we met at least one through a Korean restaurant and spontaneous nudity.  No one’s really in charge, but most of the ideas tend to come from me, Winjennster, Lethalsoup, or Captainchesskelly.  Often, there is food and cosplay.  Think grownup theater kids without the structure of a drama department.

Apparently he's doesnt call the shots and is taking active steps to avoid accidentally running another cult , but who knows.

[–]snallygaster[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Huh, missed that.

It sounds like he may actually be making an effort to get better, but I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

[–]A_Big_Teletubby 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I live in that area, maybe I should swing by :)

[–]Ardvarkeating101 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I smell another murder-suicide!

[–]snallygaster[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would be awesome- just be careful not to get sucked up in the cult!

[–]-jean-paul- 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

After getting about half way through this a thought occurred to me. You must be a wonderful bedtime story reader.

[–]FeatheredMouse 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh man, that FF7 house. I remember reading about that ages ago - what is it, 10 years now? Geez, I feel old.

The internet was more... trusting back in those days it looks like. No one ever expected people to be this batshit insane. Now we know, and it's harder for people to get away with this sort of thing, I hope.

Or maybe everything just looks more suspicious to me now that I've gotten older

[–]snallygaster[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've noticed it go both ways. On one hand, people do seem more savvy to identifying crazies online, but on the other hand, it seems like gen z and some millenials at least are more comfortable with giving out personal info, attaching their accounts to their real identities, having less of a distinction between online and offline friends, etc.

[–]Unicorn_Abattoir 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Think grownup theater kids without the structure of a drama department.

gross

[–]accountabi1ity 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just read going clear and this story reminds me a lot of earlyish L Ron Hubbard, but without any original IP.

Was the suit eisenberg was reacting to real or not.

[–]PlvGdm 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The FFVII House URL should be index.html, not index.htmll. Great post, as always.

[–]pitaenigma 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is some Vanity Fair level profile. Good job.

[–]riemann1413 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

good writeup

i always wonder, with people like Andy, when they became this person. if you had met a little Andy, would you have known something was up. was it really just that one day he suddenly changed from Amy to Andy and it snowballed from there? were there earlier signs?

i always wonder this with the weirder types that are found on the internet and real life

[–]imaginarycreatures 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I grew up in the fantasy/SF fandom community. Most of his earlier actions would have been considered odd, but not egregiously so; lots of people (myself included) tended toward unusual behavior in their youth, and even into early adulthood. And organizers of charity events and fan conventions kinda have a reputation for being overly ambitious and having poor money management skills. I don't think it would have occurred to me that it was anything more than business as usual for the community until after the Tentmoot event.

Outside of the community? I imagine a lot of people though he was "off", but it still comes down to where you draw the line between "a little weird" and "potentially dangerously weird".

[–]snallygaster[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stuff like this is usually the result of personality disorders, which arise from some sort of trouble in childhood. That said, someone can have a completely normal upbringing and still turn out like this. The behavioral problems usually start in childhood, though.

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[–]LedinToke -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

can i get a tl;dr

[–]snallygaster[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

  • Man gets involved in online fandoms

  • Creates multiple sockpuppets and different identities

  • Gets girl he hooked up with to drive across a few states, ignores her then dumps her

  • Pretends he can channel LoTR characters and has psychic abilities

  • Gets woman to dump her husband and move him into her house in Oregon

  • Uses woman's website to start a fake charity and scam Sean Astin into participating

  • Creates garden, raises charity money that disappears

  • Plans failed music festival and film festival

  • Moves to LA with woman and other lackeys to make money cosplaying on Hollywood Blvd

  • Tries to plan Portland LoTR con, not enough tickets sell, charges $15k to lackey's credit card to get guest actors to fly into Portland from New Zealand

  • Lackey withdraws funds, actors get stranded in LAX with no money to return home

  • Has actors sleep in shitty crowded apartment, they return home using what's left of the tickets, costing lackey more money

  • Lackey calls Department of Justice to investigate man's charity

  • Identity fraud investigation opens after man's father files missing person's report after fake suicide note

  • Man gets arrested and detained for charity fraud and identity fraud in Portland

  • Man gets let go with fine and banned from running nonprofits in Oregon

  • Man's lackeys abandon him aside from the woman who left her husband

  • Man and woman get paranoid that the government is going to detain them for cosplaying on Hollywood Blvd, leave for Canada to seek political asylum

  • Man and woman fly into Buffalo NY, walk to Canadian border, get laughed at after telling their story and sleep on the floor of the border center

  • Woman gets rescued by mom, gets deprogrammed, has PTSD

  • Man starts popular fanfiction series, cult surrounds it and him again

  • Another woman leaves her abusive boyfriend to live with man

  • Other woman's boyfriend breaks into their apartment, kills woman, shoots man in ankle, then kills himself

  • Man uses this tragedy to raise money to go to New Zealand for "charity"

  • Doesn't work, hikes Trail of Tears with new lackeys instead

  • New lackeys suffer sleep deprivation, heat exhaustion, and abuse from man

  • Man tries to start new charity about abuse

  • Man lays low, screws his team over in a scavenger hunt and tries to start an expensive LARPing group

  • Man tries to redeem himself through social media and a news article

  • Nobody's buying it, man keeps new local 'inner circle'

the end