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[–]Ihmhi[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (2子コメント)

Hello everyone, old and new. Please bear in mind that our rules are very much in effect here and will be stringently enforced.

I understand that tensions are going to be running high right now what with the election wrapping up. I understand that people may be wont to devolve into political discussions or outright shit-flinging.

I will say right now that you are free to say whatever you like so long as you do it civilly and do not resort to insults or harassment. Anyone who crosses a line in here is going to get a 7-day ban, minimum. Do not conflate the somewhat slower activity on here of late with a reduction in our vigilance or how much we give a shit about this community.

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Again, please engage one another civilly and respectfully. Thank you.

[–]1994mat[S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Note that there is no mention about the /r/CynicalbritOfficial subreddit being shut down, just that TB won't be participating there anymore.

[–]LevynX [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So it'll be exactly the same as this one now?

[–]ColdBlackCage [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'd like to think the community we have here is a little more open and honest in regards to TB.

Here we are free to call TB out his bullshit in an appropriate manner - such as this circumstance - where as on /r/Cynicalbritofficial that kind of behavior is bannable (which is understandable, it's deliberately a safe space for TB - but I feel it sort of impedes discussion and criticism that is important for the community to discuss.)

[–]erythro [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

While I can understand both the bitterness and the disgust, I really don't think the reddit admins should have shut down the pro-donald subs. Can you imagine? Reddit admins picking their favourite candidate and actively suppressing the other? In what sense would this be an open forum after that? It's one thing to shut down the hate subs, but when you've got a major political party subreddit (indeed, in hindsight, the majority political party, god help us) they just can't do what TB was asking, let alone resent them for not doing so.

I think TB would agree when he has a clearer head. As I said, this result is upsetting, tastes very bitter, and after going through the brexit referendum I can see why TB feels this way. I just think he's being somewhat unfair, sorry TB.

[–]dannaz423 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well TB has said he isn't particularly pro free speech, which is why the other TB channel was created in the first place. Guess this is just a massive exaggeration of that same belief.

[–]erythro [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm less talking about free speech and more the existence of open forums at all - you don't need to tolerate all and every position to allow the (again, shockingly, majority) US party voters to use your site. Does TB think that no website should allow the republicans to post? What does he really want here?

I think what we found hard in the UK and what you in the US will find hard is that actually most people voted for this. It's not a small minority position that can be ignored, it's not even a narrow minority - it's most people - your country actually is this way. And if that's the case, then what do you think reddit looks like?

[–]Acias [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If i have learned anything while being on the internet is that it's best to never mention your view on politics.

[–]Karabanera [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I live in Ukraine and belive me, this is the most important thing. Russians are brainwashed and ukrainians are just dumb. I live in this shitshow for the last 3 years or so. 'muricans, thinking, that Trump is the end of the world - are clueless in politics even more so.

[–]DeoFayte [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

It's a shame to see such a smart man, one I'd even go so far as to say I've respected (which is a very short list) be so intellectually dishonest.

[–]NetQvist [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Have to agree it's pretty sad that he is so damning of people having a different opinion to himself, always thought he was pretty open to that.

Guess not =/

[–]Cyberspark939 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Each of us can only try, but he's human like the rest of us and far from perfect. I find it shocking every time someone pops up that finds these facts surprising.

[–]NetQvist [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

The problem is that with his line of work you need to be able to handle other opinions than your own without having a fit about it.

Just look at Genna's twitter right now if you think the "shocking" and "surprising" is not warranted.

[–]Cyberspark939 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's not about handling other opinions other than your own without having a fit about it. It's about having that fit in private.

I laughed and sighed at the 'allowed Hitler to win' tweet. It's really sad to see that, but this is why First Past the Post is a terrible way to conduct elections, because it enforces a two-party system.

[–]NetQvist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah you're correct about that, having fits in public is the issue.

[–]NonFrizzante [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Ah yes, the lack of empathy.

He's now very likely to lose the support of his health insurance.

Which means there's a very real chance his life has just been cut drastically short.

But no, feel free to sit back and judge.

[–]NetQvist [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Likely != Has....

But really, don't go and label everyone who didn't vote and think as you this and then expect sympathy:

Reddit has willingly harboured and enabled a political hate-group that has spouted constant racist, xenophobic, transphobic and homophobic bigotry along with engaging in doxxing and attacks on those they disagree with.

I have a very hard time agreeing to that sentence no matter what the circumstance is.

I'll still follow and see what content TB puts out because I have no issue with people having strong opinions but it kind of saddens me that he isn't able to keep these issues out of public a bit better since he is a person in the spotlight.

EDIT: Think I'll probably stop posting here for a while since it will only bring tension, so lets hope this all calms down by a few days when everyone notices that nothing has changed yet...

[–]Naniwasopro [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Reddit has willingly harboured and enabled a political hate-group that has spouted constant racist, xenophobic, transphobic and homophobic bigotry along with engaging in doxxing and attacks on those they disagree with.

This can be applied to so many subreddits aswell.

[–]Agent_Dale_Cooper [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If it comes to it I would think that he has the option of returning home to the UK where he will receive healthcare.

Not a very good option given his family but he does have an option if things go that way.

[–]NonFrizzante [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The treatment won't be as good, even if he goes private. I'm pretty certain he's on a one of a kind treatment plan at the moment.

[–]Darkpursuer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TB might actually be directly affected by Trump's decisions, but just pressing the eject button so quickly just seems rather rash. Maybe he could do with a little wait-and-see attitude, it might not be as bad. Trump had a lot of work ahead of him, he might not even get them done.

[–]Night_Fev3r [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm in the boat that respects TB for sharing his very strong opinions with no fear of negative PR.

It's honestly really refreshing, especially in the peak of "political correctness" and "keep everything PR friendly."

Just makes him feel more human and relatable. Not like a "celebrity" whose accounts are all controlled by PR teams.

[–]Emelenzia [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Very sad, but not all that surprising.

TB been very outspoken on the election. Regularly arguing with people in comments who were pro-trump or anti-hillary. It was pretty clear for awhile now that he was very invested. Keep in mind TB made a video saying "I am a ideologue and proud of it", he very progressive, so this defintely a harsh blow.

The sub reddit may not be deleted, but it does seem like it will be abandoned and replaced by more controlled and isolated forum or website.

That being said I am very sad to see the other sub reddit go. It had a unique vibe to it. It was very respectable, polite, and friendly. Hopefully whatever website TB makes can also capture that feeling.

[–]Ihmhi[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The sub reddit may not be deleted, but it does seem like it will be abandoned and replaced by more controlled and isolated forum or website.

Not that you said it, but just to make sure that it's clear: we have no idea what will happen with /r/cynicalbritofficial. /r/CynicalBrit isn't going anywhere, though. We will carry on as we always have.

[–]PalapaSlaps [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

I can't even imagine what he's feeling right now with all this + everything else he regularly deals with. I've never even been to America and I feel all kinds of sick.

[–]Hambeggar [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

TB seems to be kind of a dickhead.

Exhibit A: https://twitter.com/GennaBain/status/796224800377057280

[–]WylfCynical Mod [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Meh, fighting over political stuff happens sometimes, even in a relationship. Making it public might not be the best idea though - but eh, both of them are probably a bit agitated today.

[–]Hambeggar [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

TB doesn't seem to be a bit agitated. He's taking this poorly. The guy leaves his official subreddit and then puts on a huge wall of text when you visit his Twitch channel all because a person he dislikes was voted in.

I was going to post this as a separate post on the sub but I don't know if that would be a good idea. Yes/No?

Here is the wall of text:

As unwise as it might be to express any political opinion via the internet, it can't be any more unwise than the decision America made tonight. When I came to this country a few years ago I saw a country of hope and opportunity. It was a country that was ethnically diverse, full of people with different backgrounds and different views. While there was always friction and disagreement, I never truly felt like that was something untenable, something that couldn't be overcome. I never truly felt that, when all was said and done, people wouldn't be able to put aside their differences and say "We are one country, we are Americans and we will set an example for the rest of the world". I come from a country that tends to just go with the flow. It's a country of apathy. I grew up surrounded by many people that were just content with where they were. They didn't really aspire to anything, they didn't have the motivation or desire to change things for the better, they simply put up with it. Britain is a place of clouds and rain and the people there often reflect that fact. America was a shining land of sunshine and hope. I admired it in many ways, particularly that it's people often aspired to be more than what they were. The land of opportunity isn't just a cliche, America is full of people who want to be better.

Or so I thought. Today America gave into fear. It gave in to the darkest parts of its national character. When confronted with adversity it finally broke, unable to stand up for its core values as it once did. It gave into cowardice and allowed itself to be conned by a disgusting example of a human being. America proved that it's ok being lied to as long as they're the right kind of lies. America proved that when given the chance, it will reward dishonesty and bigotry with the highest office in the land. America proved that it cares so little for the stability of the world and itself, that it will give the most important and powerful position in the world to a man that utterly lacks any of the qualifications, experience or character to deserve it. America has left the world in a state of uncertainty and fear.

I'd like to tell you that it's going to be ok. I'd like to tell you that we'll get through this and come together, begin to heal the wounds opened in the last few months. If I did though, I'd be a liar. I don't believe that, not for a second. The wounds opened in the fabric of this country may never fully heal. If we don't bleed to death from them they will leave giant, ugly scars that will endure for the rest of its days. I don't have the right to vote in this country, despite having had to earn my place here, fight for my right to live with my family in this state. I wasn't lucky enough to simply be born a citizen, so I don't get to have my say. Others have decided for me. They have decided to elect a man who will repeal the one piece of legislation that is keeping my health insurance company from dropping my coverage. America has chosen to put my life at risk, more-so than it already is. America, may have condemned me to death.

I'd like to say that I understand. I'd like to tell you that regardless of your politics, I can respect and be tolerant of you. That would also, be a lie. One of the greatest flaws of a moderate is tolerance of the intolerant. It has become very clear that extremism wins. It won tonight and as a result, it will likely rack up victory after victory from here on in. I'm fortunate to be a fairly wealthy, white male. Outside of the online hate I'll get for posting this, I'll probably be ok, assuming my health insurance company decides to keep covering my medical bills. I had faith in the people of this country. Despite the brand, I'm a pretty idealistic person, I do like to see the good in people when I can.

32 years old and I'm still learning how naive I can be. I no longer feel as if I'm surrounded by people I can trust, brothers and sisters in a country I was on the path to becoming a citizen of. I feel as if I'm surrounded now, by enemies. Whatever I thought this country was, whatever I believed it represented, was simply nothing more than my own foolish and unrealistic desire to believe that the majority of people are at their core, good.

Everything is not going to be ok. I can't reassure you that it will be, because I'd be lying to you. I don't believe that. I can't offer you comfort if you're scared. So am I and what I see in our future is darkness.

It's done. Congratulations to the winner. Truly, you made America Hate Again.

[–]Emelenzia [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I just really hope he doesn't end up making a political video about this. God that would be a disaster. On sunny side, at least he no longer uses soundcloud.

[–]Hambeggar [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

at least he no longer uses soundcloud.

What do you mean?

[–]BinarySudoku [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Before his series of "I will now bleed you for ad revenue for x minutes about y topic" videos on youtube he just made soundcloud uploads of such diatribes.

[–]WylfCynical Mod[M] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

We mods are aware of that text, yes. It isn't against the rules to post it, so if you feel like you desperately need to do it, go ahead. It will likely pop up on the subreddit eventually anyway.

[–]Hambeggar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If someone will, I might as well.

Let me know if the title is click-baity or something.

[–]Narfhole [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Jesus Christ, TB... A political narrative isn't nearly important as your wife.

[–]Nephaleus [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

"They have decided to elect a man who will repeal the one piece of legislation that is keeping my health insurance company from dropping my coverage." This line from his twitch post explains his reaction quite well. He is afraid of his life and afraid people do not react in logical ways, i´m not saying that exscuses his dickish behavior but it explains it.

[–]Narfhole [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Coming from the UK, he must've at some time considered the US system could fail him. Guess he didn't consider it'd be this likely, though.

[–]BaggyOz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow that's really dickish. I mean I could understand being upset if she'd voted for Trump but it's a real dick move to be upset at somebody for voting third party.

[–]McTalos [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

"They have decided to elect a man who will repeal the one piece of legislation that is keeping my health insurance company from dropping my coverage."

Before you say anything, from his twitch. The guy is literally afraid for his life right now. Maybe he's overreacting. But I probably would be too.

[–]ColdBlackCage [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Very important to note. This election result not doubt felt like a personal attack on his well being from his perspective - fellow countrymen whom he once thought were interested in his well being as he was theirs suddenly have 'betrayed' him to the wolves.

Mental fortitude only gets you so far, and TB has had little to spare of late. The least everyone can do is make an effort to understand TB's perspective and realize rationality has no doubt fled his conscience by the time he made these posts.

[–]feralandroid [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

TB has unfortunately fallen into the narrative that anyone who voted for Trump is racist, sexist, bigoted, etc. Wild to me as someone who voted for Obama twice to be implicitly associated with such vile things but... that's where we find ourselves for some reason. I do not hold the numerous serious moral transgression of Clinton against her voters. But alas... people only want to see the worst of the "enemy" and put such little effort in trying to understand the other person's motivations for the opinions they have. It saddens me TB has fallen into this trap.

[–]Diggasson [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

A guy posted in /r/politics summed up exactly how I feel about all this, noted I am not American nor do I live in the U.S or did I hope for Trump to win.

Good. For months and months this subreddit posted article after article calling anyone not supporting Hillary Clinton sexist, racist, homophobic, uneducated, white privilege trash regardless if they were voting for Trump or a third party. It was just as bad when people were supporting Sanders in the primary.

You are the reason why she lost. You insulted people instead of reaching out to them. You downvoted them and mocked them instead of trying to reach out to and connect with them. You belittled and mocked them for having differences in opinion.

This isn't on just Clinton.

http://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5byrar/people_crying_leaving_clinton_headquarters_cnn/d9sdkmn/

[–]DomesticatedElephant [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I browsed many different subreddits and the idea that individual posters who support Trump were outright called bigots is just not accurate. At most there'd be some downvotes in great reddit tradition, but there'd always be proper arguments and discussion.

In fact, I've tried starting polite discussions with Trump supporters many many times. And most of the time the response I got was silence, insults or people accusing me of being a CTR shill.

This meme about being called bigots is a major talking point on subs like the_donald or KiA, where people constantly bemoan being persecuted. In reality it is very overblown.

[–]Tellon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

In reality it is very overblown.

But people don't have to actually be persecuted, people only have to feel like they are for it to affect their decisions and mentality in general.

[–]DomesticatedElephant [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Trump is literally against gay marriage, reproductive rights and universal healthcare. Sure, maybe you can ignore that when you vote for him, but can you really blame others for not ignoring it?

[–]feralandroid [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

  1. Trump believes gay marriage is a state level issue. He put a gay man on the front stage of the RNC. No one had done that before. Many gay people voted for Trump.
  2. You must understand that many consider abortion murder, so to them you're not taking a morally higher position. I was actually "pro-choice" before I truly educated myself of the procedures, status of the fetus, etc. Truly eye opening. I believe this too should be decided at the state level though (I believe in limited federal gov. nearly always but abortion raises many questions that are not answered about a fetus' right to life).
  3. We do not have universal coverage. Obamacare as it passed was a diaster. It's only benefit is protection for those with preexisting conditions. I hope we pass new healthcare with similar protections (more even) but without the issues Obamacare caused (i.e. greatly incread costs).

I do not blame you for disagreeing, you are free to decide your own positions. I do not understand why disagreeing on these issues means we must hate each other or fear monger as TB has done.

[–]DomesticatedElephant [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

  1. Marriage is not really a state level issue. Can a gay couple travel to a neighboring state to marry? Can a married couple move to a different state and have their marriage respected? It's a silly way to dodge the subject of Gay Rights. The fact is that Trump plans to nominate conservative judges who will repeal or restrict the ability of gay people to marry.

  2. I don't disagree and think the opposition is understandable. Yet we must also recognize that some people feel the right to abortion is crucial to their rights.

  3. Obamacare is a compromise, so either you have to move forward and pass extra reforms or you roll back to what it was before. Removing the individual mandate but keeping pre-existing condition coverage will raise the cost even more. In fact he hasn't specified how people with pre-existing conditions would be protected exactly.

I think TB and others are just sad that we actually see society moving "backwards" on these issues. Like, the world didn't end after gay marriage became possible. There used to be the hope that people would see that. The hope that people would realize gay people pose no threat and that giving them the right to marry would become less of an issue when people got used to it.

[–]Cyberspark939 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

On your second point. No one in their right mind is 'pro-life'.

The 'pro-life' camp seems to think that all abortions should be made illegal, but in reality they really protest late-term abortions.

Few of them have considered that making something illegal requires a punishment for those that break the law. Few of them have also considered why a woman might choose to have an abortion. The big propaganda that you see from 'pro-life'rs are primarily very late emergency abortions, but more so are still births and miscarriages, not abortions.

Currently the most accepted limit in the US is 12 weeks, at which it is smaller than a lime and has no chance of surviving on its own. I.e if the mother dies there's nothing doctors could do to save it outside the womb.

Other countries have 24 weeks, previously believed to be the latest before the child could survive outside of the womb, though this has since seen lucky 21-22 week cases disprove this. At this stage it's about the size of an ear of corn.

But these things are always very emotional for the woman, regardless of their choice. To put them through having to hear its heart beat and what is essentially emotional torture and torment over the issue is really not necessary or humane. It is a barbaric practice. To want such things to be legal government-enforced practices (in the best-case scenario) is true misogyny.

Also on 3 going backwards is not going forwards. And being a science-denier/climate-change denier is not a great feature for a President, but to think that it's a Chinese conspiracy...

[–]Drdres [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Even CHYNA is more environmentally aware than Trump. Idgaf about the personality of both candidates, their policies is what's actually important. Trump wants to punish women for abortions, doesn't believe that climate change is a thing and wants to expand fracking. I won't comment on Obamacare as I don't have enough knowledge on the subject, but the other things I've mentioned are objectively bad in every 1st world country except for the US.

As a swede, I really don't get how he's won. Taxes and infrastructure aside, Trump isn't a sensible option if you care about gay rights, womens rights or the environment. Economical growth isn't good if it's done at the cost of the environment and if there is no regulation to stop that, it's going to go down hill really fast. I'm no environmentalist but come the fuck on, we don't have to go back in progress.

[–]Cyberspark939 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

As a non-swede, we wouldn't mind it if you just invaded and took over the rest of the world. You seem to have your shit pretty much nailed down for the most part.

[–]Drdres [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

We have a lot of bullshit politics too. The ''Feminist'' party (these are some crazy, communist, hardcore feminazi shit) will probably gain enough votes to make it into a government position next election, our far right party (racist) is probably going to become the largest party we have and the extreme left is also getting larger. So the whole middle ground policy that we've had for 30 years is fading, which is just fucked. And our current Prime Minister is a fucking tool, but still 100x better than both Trump and Hillary.

We had the exact same results the last election as the US did today. The ruling coalition had done a pretty damn good job at sustaining Sweden during the worst financial crisis since the Depression and shit's been going well for 8 years, but people wanted CHANGE and so we got this fucking mess with actual communists, crazy ass environmentalists and Social Democrats.

But yeah, people can read, segregation is too bad, our politicians aren't rich and people get healthcare and shit. It's pretty good overall.

[–]Cyberspark939 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Well that makes me sad. Seems like everything is becoming more and more polar these days with more and more extremists.

[–]Drdres [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yupp, the whole world is starting to feel a lot like 1930's Europe, I don't like it..

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    [–]Zankman [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    TB's behavior is far too childish if you ask me.

    EDIT: The whole healthcare thing kinda puts things in perspective, I was not aware of it.

    Thus, I understand his emotional reaction but don't condone him putting it online (really no reason for it).

    [–]tielknight [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    When you think the one thing that is keeping you alive is going to be taken away from you then you kinda throw rational thought out the window until you can calm down and think things through.

    [–]Zankman [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Probably - I definitely wasn't aware of the healthcare thing - but at the same time he should have been ready for this.

    [–]tielknight [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    You can't really prepare for something like that....

    [–]Zankman [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    The possibility of Trump winning?

    I mean, you had to be aware that there was a strong chance of it.

    [–]tielknight [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Yeah but it's hard to prepare for the sudden realization that "oh shit my insurance could change".

    [–]StormtrooprDave [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    This should come as no surprise to anyone who has followed TB for a while.

    I think a large part of Trump's win is not that they wanted Trump but that they didn't want Hilary.

    [–]musicchan [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    I sympathize with TB. I'm a permanent resident in Canada and when Harper came up for re-election, I felt really powerless. Can't vote, just have to hope that those around you want to protect your rights. I got lucky; Canada voted in a pretty progressive PM and I hope the party keeps on track. But man, that fear, it gets to you. I'd probably lash out as well if I was in his position.

    I hope this doesn't have a negative effect on his health.

    [–]TeekTheReddit [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Seeing as, come Jan 1st, he may not be able to get health insurance, I think it's extremely likely this may have a negative impact on his health.

    [–]tielknight [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    He will be able to get it, it's just a matter of what policy he will get and how much it may cost.

    [–]TeekTheReddit [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Oh. Goody. He might be able to live. He'll just have to bankrupt his family to do it.

    [–]tielknight [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    No? Nothing indicates that and in fact his statements about it indicate otherwise.

    [–]Gunstray [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I guess you really can't have any heroes now.