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Reddit admins voterigged a /r/hillaryclinton post to have 5k upvotes, but only 50% of votes are upvotes[META] (self.undelete)

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"So on this post, if we assume 50% is 50.5% getting rounded down, at 4916 score, about a million people voted on this post. (more if the number is closer to 50%)."

Nothing ever gets close to a million votes. The top post of all time on r/all has 67,000 votes.

https://np.reddit.com/r/hillaryclinton/comments/5bdcef/dear_rall_the_more_breaking_stories_about_emails/

Its stuck on 50%. It was 50% at 4916 and 50% at 5654.

Bear in mind that 1million votes is the minimum and assumes the votes stayed on 50.499% this whole time. If the percentage is 50.1% then its 5million votes total.

Anyway none of this is even possible. The_Donald has more activity than r/politics, and r/hillaryforprison has more subscribers than r/hillaryclinton. The admins often take votes away from Donald posts (famously the Trump AMA lost a third of its votes after 10 minutes). But now they are having to pump up Clinton posts to ridiculous levels.

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[–]eberkneezer 852ポイント853ポイント  (52子コメント)

The vote totals aren't real because reddit adds lots of votes of its own to cancel out what they see as malicious votes. e.g. bots and brigades. So an unusually high vote total indicates countermeasures to vote manipulation.

You use to be able to see the vote totals on comments too but they stopped that because it was too easy to see the attempts at vote manipulation and countermeasures playing out in the vote totals. When you could see the amount of bullshit voting that was getting cancelled , it wasn't hard to imagine how much they were missing and the crazy nature of people trying to "win" conversations.

The admins often take votes away from Donald posts (famously the Trump AMA lost a third of its votes after 10 minutes). But now they are having to pump up Clinton posts to ridiculous levels.

Similar complaints and explanation were made for the Snowden AMA and Obama AMA. The explanation is they normalise voting to keep posts comparable over time given that reddits population also changes over time.

See admin comment https://np.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/29j5uh/reddit_still_artificially_introduces_downvotes_on/cilwjgn/?context=2

Not saying it isn't all rigged but there are some explanations for some of the things seen which isn't very transparent or obvious.

[–]Kvothealar 161ポイント162ポイント  (26子コメント)

Most posts on the front page have millions of votes, not thousands too.

The votes we see are scaled by something similar to log(x).

[–]fervent_demonizer 27ポイント28ポイント  (10子コメント)

so when i upvote something it doesn't actually increase by 1?

[–]Kvothealar 27ポイント28ポイント  (8子コメント)

Nope. It depends how long after the comment or post you made your vote, and how many votes it had at the time you voted it.

[–]SkyWest1218 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

That doesn't even make sense. What could possibly be the reasoning behind that?

[–]Kvothealar 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

It makes it harder for bots to affect scores, it keeps the front page fresh, and a bunch of other things.

Here's an analysis of it: https://medium.com/hacking-and-gonzo/how-reddit-ranking-algorithms-work-ef111e33d0d9#.4ynlirqwh

Edit: It also lets reddit admins counterbalance unjust upvotes / unjust downvotes on some posts. Before when people would notice when the number of points dropped they outraged so they made it less obvious.

If you want an example of the randomness of the algorithm go to the top of this post, look to the side where it says how many points it has, and what percent upvoted, and the top comments. Then refresh the page a few times and look how they change.

[–]Donjuanme 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

makes a lot more sense than the at least hundreds of thousands users here each day, and the most upvoted thing having a 10k differential

[–]ZakenPirate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Obviously to give Shillary a leg up.

[–]Turd_City_Auto_Group -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

It doesn't. It's just like hiding scores for x amount of time. It's bullshit. We DON'T need it.

They simply don't want people to see the real scores. For obvious reasons - it lets the admins and mods keep us in the dark and directly manipulate what everyone (or most people) see.

And I hope it costs them this entire site. It's beyond a joke.

[–]ClintHammer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends. On low voted posts, yes. On high ones, no

[–]siccoblue 44ポイント45ポイント  (14子コメント)

Yeah. Isn't it something like votes in the first ten minutes weigh almost ten times as heavily as votes in Say, an hour, and they continue to become less meaningful over time only contributing a fraction of a "point" to the post to keep things from getting too crazy?

[–]dessalines_ 7ポイント8ポイント  (13子コメント)

They could just implement range voting like on this site, https://flow-chat.com and make vote manipulation pretty much impossible.

[–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 27ポイント28ポイント  (12子コメント)

The whole point of vote fuzzing is to prevent spammers. That would make it trivially easy and would just create businesses selling votes.

[–]dessalines_ -5ポイント-4ポイント  (11子コメント)

  • Reddit doesn't do anything to prevent vote selling, how could it?
  • Vote fuzzing is only necessary because up and downvotes are trivial to calculate. Range voting takes an average of collection, so unless you know exactly how everyone else voted (you don't), then you can't manipulate it, and there's no need to do any manipulation.

[–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 22ポイント23ポイント  (10子コメント)

The entire and only reason for vote fuzzing is to prevent selling votes. The fuzz prevents spammers from seeing and therefore demonstrating the effects of their efforts.

More details can be read in this announcement.

http://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/28hjga/reddit_changes_individual_updown_vote_counts_no/

An easy way to know that reddit prevents vote selling is that you can't buy votes.

[–]dessalines_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

People buy votes all the time, what do you think CTR does?

And none of your replies mentions range voting, which completely nullifies the need for faking or fuzzing results.

BTW, we shouldn't be cool with vote fuzzing, with it, we have no way of knowing if reddit is censoring or pushing content.

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    [–]dessalines_ 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Employing = paying. They pay staff to create and upvote Hillary content. That's vote buying.

    [–]Dlgredael 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I usually don't go so black and white about things, but you're fucking retarded.

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      [–]kayakerjosh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That we know of. Yet.

      [–]Ferfrendongles 77ポイント78ポイント  (16子コメント)

      So we're talking 900,000+ votes added by Reddit in the name of fairness? Nah, surely you can see that that's the same thing, right?

      The first time I noticed the vote fraud (Reddit, not election) was way back on a Ted Cruz post that, each time you would refresh, would show thousands of points difference. I don't remember what agenda Reddit was pushing then, but I just bet it was to assist Hillary.

      I think that anyone familiar at all with Reddit is having their brains overloaded with "no look it's all ok because of this thing that doesn't really make sense when you think about it", and we're all going with our gut, because it's screaming "fuckery is afoot".

      [–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 201ポイント202ポイント  (11子コメント)

      No, you're misunderstanding. Scores are not upvotes minus downvotes, thanks to the soft cap.

      To quote an admin,

      the score is no longer the literal difference between the number of up and down votes, but more like a representation of the post's popularity. The "X% upvoted" value is now accurate over the set of all votes on that submission, but simply doing score / upvote_ratio won't give you the actual number of votes.

      [–]TMules 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You can go to the top of all time on any subreddit, refresh the page, and watch the scores change each refresh even if the posts are archived

      [–]Devam13 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Almost any post on the front page or r/all, even non politcal ones have generally 100,000+ votes. Especially popular ones. They use their algorithm to scale it down in some klog(x) where k depends on the popularity of Reddit as well as subreddit.

      [–]CelineHagbard 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Almost any post on the front page or r/all, even non politcal ones have generally 100,000+ votes.

      What do you base this on? They have a black box algorithm, and have never released raw numbers since they implemented fuzzing.

      [–]non-troll_account 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Would it remove my vote because of my malicious attitude toward Clinton?

      [–]gpt999 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      More likely it flag accounts with bot like behaviors automatically, nobody got time to investigate accounts one by one.

      What kind of behavior get flagged, well I got no idea, but its probably on the side of accounts who got an oddly high ratio of post voted up/down vs time spent on reddit and such. It could possibly flag brand new accounts too.

      This isn't to say that the system can't be used to control what kind of posts get up or down-voted, but if they wanted to do that, there's easier ways to do it.

      [–]MauiWanderer -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

      I have a feeling it may have something to do with the vote count algorithm and both the hillary and donald bots sending it out of control.

      [–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

      There are no confirmed voting scripts that actually work. Which is why we don't get 4chan trolling the front page ever.

      [–]MauiWanderer 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      hillary and donald bots

      basement dwelling neckbeards with nothing better to do, some getting paid 15/hr :)

      [–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Reddit discounts inorganic votes from similar sources.

      However, if anyone wants to give me 15/hr to do reddit shit, I'm already here, drop me a line.

      [–]JamieHynemanAMA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Me too, I'll say anything and do nothing

      [–]Maroefen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Sounds like a pretty good deal actually, too late to sign up?

      [–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 92ポイント93ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Score are not the difference between the upvotes and the downvotes, there is, and has never been a way to see the accurate vote total.

      To quote an admin,

      the score is no longer the literal difference between the number of up and down votes, but more like a representation of the post's popularity. The "X% upvoted" value is now accurate over the set of all votes on that submission, but simply doing score / upvote_ratio won't give you the actual number of votes.

      For comparison, I've been told that posts in /r/pics hit 70k actual score every single day. That's their usual score. The soft cap keeps scores relative to each other so that subs with massive userbases and those with smaller both appear on /r/all. The hillaryclinton post has a front page score for the other side of that reason, once it hit /r/all, more people were voting on it than are generally actively voting in the community, and that rate of voting resulted in the high score.

      [–]Turd_City_Auto_Group 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      If it has 'never been' the simple difference, why did they change exactly what you just posted?

      [–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      In the past the showed two fuzzed numbers and a fuzzed score. Now they just show a fuzzed score.

      [–]BootyOnRails 76ポイント77ポイント  (7子コメント)

      The same thing happened on the /r/mr_trump post telling /r/politics to suck a dick, it had 5k upvotes and was at 50% upvoted

      [–]green_flash 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is the thread:

      https://www.reddit.com/r/Mr_Trump/comments/5b0i3d/hey_politics_go_suck_a_dick/

      [–]BobsquddleFU 50ポイント51ポイント  (5子コメント)

      B-B-B-ut R-R-Reddit must have a pro Hillary agenda!

      [–]Rightard16 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

      If reddit had a pro Hillary agenda it wouldn't allow the_donald posts on the number one spot of /r/all ever day. Reddit is a private company that has the right to allow whatever they want on their website. If reddit came out and endorsed Hillary and made the rule that pro Trump posts were prohibited then no one could stop them. If reddit banned the_donald and every other pro Trump subreddit then no one could stop them. The fact that both pro Trump and pro Clinton posts show up on the front page proves that they are trying to stay unbiased.

      [–]KuntaStillSingle 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      To be fair they could be trying to maintain an appearance of non-bias while subtly promoting Hillary to avoid backlash.

      Not that I don't think your suggestion is more likely, but the fact trump posts are allowed to exist doesn't disprove bias.

      [–]Donjuanme 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      keep the voice of reason going rightard16

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        [–]SuperConductiveRabbiundelete MVP 308ポイント309ポイント  (123子コメント)

        Can we talk about the completely retarded premise of the obviously manipulated post? They're claiming that the leaked emails can't be legitimate criticism of Hillary because...why? Because they're leaked? That's like saying you can't criticize the NSA because Snowden was the one that showed us evidence of their crimes.

        So far the emails have given us primary source evidence that:

        1. She knowingly used an insecure email server

        2. She knowingly mishandled and illegally distributed classified information

        3. She knowingly deleted evidence of her crimes, even after being given a subpoena

        4. She knowingly lied under oath and claimed she only deleted personal emails

        5. She knowingly and repeatedly hid her crimes and deceived the American people while at the same time claiming she's the most qualified person to run the entire country

        And as for the content of the emails, it's shown us:

        1. She conspired to rig the primaries

        2. She cheated in the debates

        3. She engages in pay-to-play politics

        4. She's taken money from foreign governments

        5. She's orchestrated arms deals in exchange for donations

        6. She's blaming the Russians for her crimes

        7. She has a secret "private position"

        And this is without even getting into the more conspiracy-minded stuff, like whether or not she had knowledge that her super PAC hires agent provocateurs (whom they literally describe as "psychopaths who will do crazy shit").

        We have all this primary source evidence and yet /r/all has a post saying that the more evidence you see from emails the less that evidence matters. And despite having only 51% upvotes it managed to rocket to the top.

        [–]solazyme_investor 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

        But muh vagina

        [–]iateone 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        For some reason, my comment is down to negative six without any responses, so I'm going to post it again.

        You realize it isn't obviously manipulated? Or at least it isn't manipulated in favor of Clinton?

        It is just how reddit works.

        As pointed out here by /u/BootyOnRails and /u/green_flash, a recent post on /r/mr_trump has a very similar voting pattern with a 5000 score and just above 50% approval. Are you also accusing reddit of voterigging in favor of Trump?

        [–]Entropy- 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Props to you for making this list.

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          [–]MisterTruth 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Strange how after Comey's announcement today, 5/7 of the top all posts are from pro hillary subs. Strange indeed. Definitely no funny business there. Definitely no use of vote bots. Definitely no use of paid posters.

          [–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 193ポイント194ポイント  (85子コメント)

          The comments there. Christ. I have cancer now.

          And CTR has turned it up to eleven since it's so close to election day. r/Politics is particularly nasty too.

          [–]SnipTheTipthenSip 57ポイント58ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I mean if the admins are going to rig a post to have massive upvoted scores it would make sense to rally all the paid CTRs to hit the comments section all at once with your Hillary Talking points. Remeber these people are hungry because most of the hillcamp has been in damage control over the last two weeks. It's cancer sure, but it makes sense on why it spread all over the host so quickly.

          [–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 48ポイント49ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Yeah, I've seen way more posts from that sub on /r/all than ever, and it's not like Clinton is gaining popularity as the election comes closer.

          I don't even know who they're trying to fool.

          [–]Dalroc 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I've seen posts from /r/hillaryclinton under /r/all/rising despite them having 0 points and less than 50% upvotes several times.

          [–]stud6988 27ポイント28ポイント  (31子コメント)

          I really like that anyone who posts something pro-Hillary or anti-Trump they're just a shill getting paid by CTR.

          News flash, there are tons of us who really don't like Trump. T_D isn't representative of every person in the world's opinion

          [–]Displayer_ 34ポイント35ポイント  (24子コメント)

          I really like that anyone who posts something pro-Hillary or anti-Trump they're just a shill getting paid by CTR.

          News flash, there are tons of us who really don't like Trump. T_D isn't representative of every person in the world's opinion

          While you are right, the Clinton campaign said they literally pay money to people to go online and "correct the record", I don't remember Trump saying or doing that. This kind of comment is mostly aimed at 2 days old accounts posting anti-trump stuff in the politics sub. While Trump supporters basically post pro-trump stuff all day because they like and admire him, Clinton has to pay people to post pro stuff on her, and anti trump stuff, she has the press on her pocket (literally), a platform she uses to attack trump's personal life. The most important thing here is to note that reddit is infested with these paid shills, which sound like a joke to you aparently but it isn't, just please think it it, one of the US presidential candidates pays people to go on reddit to manipulate votes, to manipulate the flow of ideas, posts and ban people who call them out with evidence of their wrong doings. Does that shit sound reasonable to you? Imagine what she will do once she is president. We don't even have to imagine because she has a political career and the evidence of her cheating and corruptions is already extense, same as with her scumbag husband.
          I find it hard to believe when people tell me they don't like Trump, like honestly. Before the election, was your opinion about Trump the same ? Did you even have an opinion then? Let's remember that Donald Trump has a long history as a business man, he is well respected in his field and again remember that he had one of the most beloved american shows in the US (The apprentice), americans used to watch him daily and look after his decision making skills. Suddenly the american propaganda machine is out to get Trump and suddenly everyone has this particular opinion about him that seems like a total brainwash. Honestly, I am sorry to tell you, but if you really don't like Trump you have more likely been brainwashed by the american media. And don't feel too bad about it, it happens all the time, remember not so long ago the US and the american media pushed this lie that Iraq had chemical weapons, convinced the world of these lies by publishing them as facts in all the major boradcasters, and whoever was brave enough to say "no" was called a terrorist-lover. This is exactly the same with Trump right now, there is a narrative set in place to attack Trump, so they will publish anything to make him look bad and forget about the actual policies he proposes.
          But perhaps you have different reasons to dislike him, so I am open to hear them, I am really interested to read why you dislike Trump. Let's keep a deal tho, if you are going to say "he is racist" please provide proof (that thing that makes you thing he is racist) of it so I can look into it and discuss with you.

          [–]iateone 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

          I find it hard to believe when people tell me they don't like Trump, like honestly. Before the election, was your opinion about Trump the same ?

          Seriously? Trump is a joke candidate that for some reason 40% of the country want to vote for. Seth Meyers said it in 2011; "I heard Donald Trump was considering running for president as a Republican; I was confused because I thought he was running as a joke."

          well respected in his field

          What are you talking about? The business class in New York City can't stand the man! The business people who support Trump are con-men like he is! He rips people off as a standard of doing business, from the piano salesman, to the condo buyers, to the undocumented immigrant workers he stiffed, to the students in his "university".

          americans used to watch him daily and look after his decision making skills

          It's a reality TV show! It wasn't real! People watched to be entertained! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED????

          [–]Displayer_ -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Dear god, I would give you a full reply but you are severely brainwashed or simply too ignorant. Trump isn't a joke candidate boy, he might be the next president of your country because people support him and his policies not "for some reason" but many reasons. One of them being his legacy as a respected and successfull businessman. Denying that Trump is widely respected in his field is just willfull ignorance on your part, especially in NY where he built a massive amount of real estate projects and made a name for himself (as well as becoming a millionaire).
          Trump is widely popular in the U.S , and before the election started and the paid-media attacks started on his persona he was widely respected by the mojority of your country, now you just have 50% of the population callimg him what they hear on CNN, calling him what CNN wants the easily brainwashed part of the population to call him. Aparently you are one of them, and I feel really sad for you.
          I am not even american, I just watch people like you and feel sad inside knowning that people fall so easily for propaganda attacks in the american media. Hopefully when you grow older you will realize how naive you are atm.

          [–]iateone 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Propaganda attacks? Grow up? What are you talking about? Americans have NEVER liked Trump.

          Back in May 2015, before he started running for president, he had a 71% unfavoribility rating with only 16% of americans thinking of him positively.

          He was never widely loved in the USA. He is a joke, and will be a disaster for the world if he becomes president.

          [–]iateone 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Trump rips off architect

          Trump rips off piano dealer

          Trump rips off contractors

          Trump rips off investors

          Then there are all the banks that lent him money for Atlantic City, plus the government for buying his lies about his losses and allowing him to escape taxes for years.

          Trump is a dishonest thief who is only wealthy because he used his daddy's money and his charm to rip people off his whole life. Now somehow he is using the media to rip off the entire country. If he was actually serious about revamping the tax code, he would have released his taxes.

          I'm sorry that he was able to con you and 40% of america, but as the saying goes, there's a sucker born every minute.

          [–]Displayer_ 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

          lol so I checked your links and literraly the titles are "piano dealer says" , "architect says" etc etc, these are 2 paragraph "articles" all written in 2016...when Trump is the presidential candidate, and none have actual proof ? Show me the lawsuits, show me which crimes this "con-man" has been convicted of? Right..none.
          I don't know if he is "only" rich because he used his daddy money, he did use a loan from his already rich dad and made a fortune with it, not sure how that's bad in your naive mind.

          How is Trump using the media lol? It is literally Hillary's donors who own 6 of 7 big broadcasters in america , which in turn give Clinton the media bias she needs so much. Trump is just being attacked by the media, so saying he is "using" it is dumb as fuck, naive at best.

          I'm sorry that he was able to con you and 40% of america, but as the saying goes, there's a sucker born every minute.

          Lastly, I am not american. I am german and I am not a brainwashed kid like you. I just follow the american elections because it amazes me the media manipulation that is rampant in your country, especially during elections. By now, anyone who hasn't realized the media bias, Hillary's lies and willingess to cheat in every single way she can to manage her way into the white house, is a complete fucking moron. Sorry to tell you pal.

          [–]iateone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Dude, I've hated Trump since the 1990s when he took government money to build casinos and then went bankrupt. He's a scam artist. Did you read the article in the Wall Street Journal (owned by the company that owns Fox News) that talks about the pattern of lawsuits that Trump has engaged in? He is scum.

          If you are German, I'd recommend you watch, Grab US by the Pussy by the German comedian who pissed off muslims and the Turkish government. Even he can't understand how americans are voting for Trump:

          https://www.zdf.de/comedy/neo-magazin-mit-jan-boehmermann/neo-magazin-royale-mit-jan-boehmermann-clip-1-100.html

          You seem very young. Do you have your abitur?

          Did you see how the story about him cheating on Melania was bought and silenced by one of Trump's friends for $150,000?

          [–]chostings 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          All I had to do was look at his wikipedia page

          Trump initially came to public attention in 1973 when he was accused by the Justice Department of violations of the Fair Housing Act in the operation of 39 buildings. Representing Trump, Roy Cohn filed a counter-suit against the government for $100 million, asserting that the charges were irresponsible and baseless.[13][15] A federal judge threw out the countersuit, calling it a waste of “time and paper.”[16] Trump settled the charges out of court in 1975 without admitting guilt, saying he was satisfied that the agreement did not "compel the Trump organization to accept persons on welfare as tenants unless as qualified as any other tenant."[17]

          In 1985, New York City brought a lawsuit against Donald Trump for allegedly using tactics to force out tenants of 100 Central Park South

          In 1988, the Justice Department sued Donald Trump for violating procedures related to public notifications when buying voting stock in a company related to his attempted takeovers of Holiday Corporation and Bally Manufacturing Corporation in 1986. On April 5, 1988, Trump agreed to pay $750,000 to settle the civil penalties of the antitrust lawsuit.[24]

          In late 1990, Donald Trump was sued for $2 million by a business analyst for defamation, and Trump settled out of court.[25] Briefly before Trump's Taj Mahal opened in April 1990, the analyst had said that the project would fail by the end of that year. Trump threatened to sue the analyst's firm unless the analyst recanted or was fired. The analyst refused to retract the statements, and his firm fired him for ostensibly unrelated reasons.[26] Trump Taj Mahal declared bankruptcy in November 1990, the first of several such bankruptcies.[27] After, the NYSE ordered the firm to compensate the analyst $750,000; the analyst did not release the details of his settlement with Donald Trump.[28]

          Vera Coking sued Trump and his demolition contractor for damage to her home during construction of the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino

          In April 1997, Jill Harth Houraney filed a $125,000,000 lawsuit against Trump for sexual harassment in 1993, claiming Trump "'groped' her under her dress and told her he wanted to make her his 'sex slave'"; and claimed that: "Trump repeatedly put his hands on her thighs and violated her physical and mental integrity

          In 2001, the Securities and Exchange Commission brought a financial-reporting case against Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts Inc., alleging that the company had committed several "misleading statements in the company's third-quarter 1999 earnings release."

          In 2004, the Trump Organization partnered with Bayrock Group LLC on a $200 million hotel and condo project in Fort Lauderdale Beach, to be called Trump International Hotel & Tower. After proceeding for five years, real estate market devaluation stymied the project in 2009 and Trump dissolved his licensing deal, demanding that his name be removed from the building. Soon after this, the project defaulted on a $139 million loan in 2010.[72] Investors later sued the developers for fraud. Trump petitioned to have his name removed from the suit, saying he had only lent his name to the project. However his request was refused since he had participated in advertising for it.[73] The insolvent building project spawned over 10 lawsuits, some of which were still not settled in early 2016

          After the 2008 housing-market collapse, Deutsche Bank attempted to collect $40 million that Donald Trump personally guaranteed against their $640 million loan for Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago. Rather than paying the debt, Trump sued Deutsche Bank for $3 billion for undermining the project and damage to his reputation.[76] Deutsche Bank then filed suit to obtain the $40 million. The two parties settled in 2010 with Deutsche Bank extending the loan term by five years

          [–]chostings 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Ok, this already seems a little strange because you apparently aren't even American and have the views you do about our media (which aren't entirely wrong) but I'll play anyways. I already voted for Gary Johnson and I think both of our candidates are flawed and neither would stand up to anyone credible never mind stand up for themselves in a vacuum.

          Trump, to me, before this election was more of a plastic Hollywood personality. I paid him the same amount of attention I pay actors who come out and voice political opinions. It's easy to be in the spotlight and have money, and therefore the media takes your opinion as something worthwhile. Donald Trump was better off in that regard before he ran for president and, as the saying goes, opened his mouth and removing all doubt of his ignorance.

          You aren't from the US apparently, so you may not know this. But what do you think of the 38 page document the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) has on the unconstitutional statements he has made publicly? What do you think of his sexual assault allegations? Or the fact that he thinks the President appoints generals, and the fact that he thinks he knows more than them? Do you think his relationship and rhetoric with Russia is healthy for global geopolitics?

          Trump, to me, is a close minded, ignorant, bigoted rich guy who has never in his life shared an experience with a common American who is trying to appeal people using fear, xenophobia, and intolerance. I take his world views with the same amount of weight as I would if Taylor Swifts. His only accomplishments include using money to make more money.

          For the other side, HRC should have lost her security clearance not be allowed in any office that requires such. She embodies everything I hate about politics in this country and refuses to even acknowledge many of her easily verifiable flaws and past transgressions (TPP, gay marriage stance, foundation money, etc). What her and the DNC did with the primary is a travesty.

          As for the media, I think if you look to the European news leading up to Brexit you will find similarities as to how the US is handling this election. Fox news is a joke, MSNBC is the same joke on the other side. But calling it "brainwashing' when half of the GOP field has denounced their own candidate doesn't make you think that possibly the guy is flawed? I get the "fuck you" vote that many people are out for, but as a credible candidate aside from that he is lacking in almost every way.

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            [–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I wasn't referring to the comments, I was referring to the votes.

            [–]War_Daddy 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

            The comments there. Christ. I have cancer now.

            I wasn't referring to the comments

            http://i.imgur.com/77ng4On.png

            [–]Rheukala -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            If Hillary is paying as may people to shill as they are claiming, then she's a bigger job creator than Donald.

            [–]lunatickid 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            All those millions of dollars allocated specifically for "correcting the record" gotta go somewhere you know.

            [–]Alloysius 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Christ, you weren't kidding.

            I haven't been on /r/politics in a long time, but that's pretty mental.

            [–]1981mph 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I can't wait to see what r/politics looks like after the election. It'll be a ghost town for a while, but I think there will be some people continuing to shill4hill, having deluded themselves into thinking she's actually worth supporting in order to rationalise their CTR "work."

            Reddit in general has changed quite radically during this cycle, and a lot of mods (and top admins) have completely lost all credibility. I worry that people will forget the level of propaganda they were faced with, and go back to trusting CNN and other bullshit factories.

            [–]ttstte 10ポイント11ポイント  (15子コメント)

            I love how a million plus redditors are eating off the same million dollars from ctr. Literally half of reddit is being paid by Hillary. Shameful.

            [–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 34ポイント35ポイント  (8子コメント)

            Bot accounts are a thing. There are multiple sites that sell accounts with varying prices depending on how old the account is and how many trophies it has.

            This is a widely known fact and I don't know what you're trying to argue.

            [–]varemia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Their FEC filings show they're upwards of 10 million now, actually. And with reddit, it only takes a few dozen very active people to change the environment. This site is primarily lurkers.

            [–]regollyek 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Correct the Record by itself was at least 6 million, possibly more.

            There's also another super PAC that had something in the 8 figures for online advertising and record correcting. CTR is just the easiest way to point it out.

            [–]ttstte -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Just out of curiosity. Which conspiracy will you personally blame when Trump loses? Voter fraud? Or something more complex?

            [–]varemia 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

            CTR and other astroturfing organizations have open-record filings you can search online. It's not a conspiracy theory.

            [–]ttstte 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Whatever they have online... hasn't proven that every person you disagree with is a shill.

            [–]varemia 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Well duh. You're obviously not since you don't use talking points. I'm just annoyed when I find dozens of people using the exact same words and syntax as if they're people. It makes online discourse hard, since once you're aware of them, everyone seems suspect. Glad you're normal though. It's good to talk with a non-paid person about these subjects. Vote for whoever you prefer and have a wonderful day.

            [–]newaccount 1ポイント2ポイント  (30子コメント)

            Their conspiracies about Hillary being a satanist or running a child-sex ring almost want me to upvote the posts so that more people see their insanity.

            How is that like cancer? That is literally what the donald have been saying the last few days. Thats not correct the record, it's the observation of anyone who isn't a trump shill.

            [–]Dalroc 10ポイント11ポイント  (19子コメント)

            It's not just /r/The_Donald. There is also former Navy Seal and founder of Blackwater, Erik Prince, and former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, Steve Pieczenik, who served under 4 different presidents both Democrats and Republicans. (Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush senior)

            Not saying this makes it true, but it is not just crazy people like Alex Jones talking about this stuff right now.

            It is also dishonest to dismiss everything that /r/The_Donald is digging up because some of it is nutty.

            [–]newaccount -2ポイント-1ポイント  (18子コメント)

            it is not just crazy people

            It's people with agendas, who have put more importance in furthering those agendas then being truthful or rational. That pretty much makes them as relevant as a crazy person.

            It certainly does not make it "cancer" to point out the laughably insane lengths they will go to to further their agendas.

            It is not in any way dishonest to dismiss a source that has proven time and time again that it is dishonest. Did you hear about the gunman at Trump rally today? 2 of the top 4 posts in the donald talk about the Trump "attacker".

            TRUMP WASN'T ATTACKED. Fact. It is 100% bullshit to suggest he was. A total bald faced lie.

            The place lies. It is certainly not dishonest to dismiss it as a place that wilfully promotes bullshit. You are an idiot if you think otherwise.

            [–]FUDefaultMods 10ポイント11ポイント  (10子コメント)

            TRUMP WASN'T ATTACKED. Fact. It is 100% bullshit to suggest he was.

            Nope, he wasn't. So what's your read on what happened to the guy? The Secret Service thought there was something about to go down.

            [–]Dalroc 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

            I'm sorry, but I don't put much weight to a random redditors claims compared to those two people. It is however a pretty insane claim that needs equally insane evidence to be put forward, but I won't completely ignore it. I do hate it when people are spouting their claims as facts though.

            It's not "cancer" to point out some of the more farfetched theories they are digging into, not at all. What is "cancer" though is when they write off everything and all as farfetched theories when some of it are irrefutable facts.

            The "attack" on Trump in Reno was not an attack, no. But someone shouted "GUN!" and the commotion was enough for the secret service to pull Trump into safety. Those threads were up before anyone had managed to interview Crites. It is not 100% bullshit to think he was attacked before the facts are out.

            Yes, some of the stuff on /r/The_Donald is crazy bullshit, but far from everything is. /r/politics have pushed incredibly stupid lies as well, does that mean we should dismiss everything that pops up there as well? No, it does not.

            [–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

            running a child-sex ring

            She did support a trafficker, it's all in the emails.

            Just like her campaign manager's 'spirit cooking'.

            [–]GirlNumber20 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

            She did support a trafficker, it's all in the emails.

            The Secretary of State, and the State Department, are required to get involved when U.S. citizens are in trouble abroad:

            Just like her campaign manager's 'spirit cooking'.

            John Podesta's brother forwarded him an email invitation to a dinner at an artist's house. There is no evidence he went to that dinner; in fact, he did not even respond to the email.

            Oooh, I guess pointing out facts makes me a shill. Fine, whatever. This response isn't for you, since I won't be able to convince you of anything. It's for other people reading this comment chain.

            [–]newaccount -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

            Did she run a child sex ring?

            Is she a satanist?

            No?

            Ok, then. You are literally complaining about a truthful comment.

            [–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

            I've only seen the comment saying that she wasn't not anyone actually calling her that.

            Besides Podesta may actually be involved in a child sex ring, only an idiot makes conclusions without looking at the evidence.

            [–]newaccount 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

            You seem to not have read my last comment, but replied anyway. I'll repeat it:

            Did she run a child sex ring?

            Is she a satanist?

            No?

            Ok then, You are literally complaining about a truthful comment.

            You are literally calling the truth "cancer". What is wrong with you?

            Maybe you should ask yourself why are you even entertaining something that is so obviously bullshit? That's what the adults in the room are asking. "Why would someone chose to be like that?".

            [–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Maybe you should ask yourself why are you even entertaining something that is so obviously bullshit? That's what the adults in the room are asking. "Why would someone chose to be like that?".

            Okay Mr. Adult, do explain to my lowly self why it is so obviously bullshit.

            [–]newaccount 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Why would you chose to be like this?

            Serious question. Are you getting paid to shill?

            [–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I don't even support a side in this election.

            [–]newaccount 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Yes you do.

            Seriously: why would you label comments pointing out the absurdity of claiming the rival candidate is a satanist and the head of a child sex ring as "cancer". Why would you make the choice to be like that?

            [–]torik0 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

            300,000 votes what the fuck they're not even trying to conceal this

            [–]myndzha 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Goebbels would be so jealous.

            [–]bong_ripz_4_jesus 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That thread has 1039 removed comments.

            [–]the_boner_owner 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Honestly, fuck the admins. Their manipulation of upvotes/downvotes of certain content is so blatant at this point it's almost comical. r/hillaryclinton has never had a post with anywhere near the amount of upvotes or comments that that post has. CTR is clearly sending people in to upvote the content and make misleading comments.

            [–]Bowiesinspace 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            But if CTR is doing it why would the admins have to? Are posts on whatever trump subreddit theyre trying to promote today with the same ratio influenced too?

            [–]Pannra 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Was wondering how the hell a post from that sub hit r/all. Reddit admins are dirty as fuck.

            [–]TylerHadd 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Remember before CTR during the primary where r/hillaryclinton was as dead as you'd expect? I member.

            [–]___TRUMP2016___ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Remember when /politics hated Clintons guts?

            https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4fv43z/hillary_pac_spends_1_million_to_correct/?ref=search_posts

            [–]TylerHadd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I have to admit, when I saw that thread I sure as hell didn't expect CTR to end up completely and totally taking over r/politics. It truly is Orwellian as fuck

            [–]Duke0fWellington 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Lol that post has 5 times more upvotes than the Darth Jar Jar one. Totally not manipulating votes!

            [–]BlackBoxGamers 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            RES says the post has 334,251 votes

            [–]gilbes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            This really explains the tough process of the Dontards. They don't know how something works. They get confused, easily. The only explanation is that everything is a conspiracy rigged against them.

            They are always playing the victim and their safe space is their model of how the world should work. Sad.

            [–]sweeptheleg55 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I thought it was odd a post from that sub made it to the front page. But I assumed it was just CTR doing a last minute push. I'm sure politics will be all pro Hillary until the "election"

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            [–]FireHazard11 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

            Where are you getting a million votes from? As of right now, there are currently 328,651 total votes with 51% of them being upvotes. So 167000 people upvoted it, and just under that many downvoted it.

            [–]Okymyo 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

            It was previously 50%, so, since it's rounded, it'd be at most 50.499% upvotes. I guess that's where the figure is from.

            [–]FireHazard11 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

            What? How the fuck do you change 160,000 votes to 1,000,000 votes by changing the upvote percentage by less than a single point? OP claims that a million people voted on that post, despite the numbers only showing 328,000. Is there another source for the million votes besides their ass?

            [–]Okymyo 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Because that's how numbers work.

            Assuming that

            T = U + D
            S = U - D
            U% = U/T = U/(U + D)

            And plugging in the values:

            T = U + D
            6631 = U - D
            0.5049 = U/(U + D)

            Then plugging it into anything that can solve systems of equations will give you the following:

            U = 341,632; D = 335,001; T = 676,633

            Change it to 0.5025 percentage, and it's T = 1,326,200 (doubled, with 0.25% change).

            EDIT: Change it to 0.05001 (add as many zeroes as you want) and you've changed the result by less than 1%, but there are now more votes than people, galaxies, atoms, or particles, depending on how many zeroes you put in.

            [–]Gamiac 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Is it about time to add /r/undelete to the Trump spam filter? I'm thinking it is.

            [–]JeeJeeBaby 0ポイント1ポイント  (24子コメント)

            You have no idea what you're talking about. This is why no one takes these conservative subreddits seriously. 99% unsubstantiated bullshit burying anything of merit you have to say.

            [–]MisterTruth 10ポイント11ポイント  (12子コメント)

            If you're calling an anti censorship sub a conservative one simply because it doesn't agree with your world view, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Plenty of people on the far left are here.

            [–]JeeJeeBaby -3ポイント-2ポイント  (11子コメント)

            It's not a anti-censorship sub. It's a conservative sub with a mask. Similar to /r/GoingToHellForThis or /r/HillaryForPrison. There are probably liberal people here, but they are largely exceptions to the rule.

            [–]MisterTruth 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

            The purpose of this sub is to show that mods censor things. Since it doesn't agree with your world view of coronating the queen most of the time (since many removals are due to mods seeing too much anti-hillary stuff) you falsely associate it with conservatism. HillaryForPrison isn't a conservative sub either. It's about 50% trump supporters, 40% bernie supporters, 10% jill supporters. However, since it calls out your queen for what she is, you falsely associate it with conservatism. You are entitled to your views, just know that they are wrong.

            [–]JeeJeeBaby 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

            40% Bernie and 10% Jill. Come on. Get serious. If I go there and look at the first 10 comments, I'd be willing to be 9 of them would also post in the Donald. Probably all 10. Don't lie to yourself.

            [–]kingfagit 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

            le secret spooky conservatives

            [–]JeeJeeBaby 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Come on. A meme from "kingfagit". How easy are you going to make this?

            [–]kingfagit 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

            You're right. I have the word faggot in my name. I MUST be a conservative. They're all dumb bigots after all.

            [–]JeeJeeBaby 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I don't know that conservatives are known for their memes either. I just think you're not someone to take seriously.

            [–]HPeroit 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

            /r/undelete (which catalogues deleted/censored speech) is conservative... k

            [–]AnindoorcatBot -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Why are these wackos invading our fucking subreddit and leaving these retard comments?

            [–]JeeJeeBaby 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Lol. Sorry that you had to see an opinion that wasn't your own. I know it can be hard.

            [–]ambivilant 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

            OP, maybe don't link directly to it. They want to get us for brigading. It might be best to host reference it without a straight link.

            [–]SoldMySoulToReddit 21ポイント22ポイント  (10子コメント)

            It's a np. link, that's far better than ShitRedditSays does without any punishment.

            [–]ambivilant 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Oops, thought this was T_D. They're under strict orders not to link anywhere. It's OK for every other sub though...

            [–]Ferfrendongles 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yeah but we're dealing with people with agendas, not good people enforcing rules because they're necessary.

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              [–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

              What. No one's trying to get undelete shut down. Did you think you were in /r/the_donald?

              [–]remzem 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yeah I noticed the odd behavior on that sub a few days ago. I think /u/spez has been playing with the reddit vote algorithm again. Feels like they might've introduced some new form of anti vote brigading. The trump sub has been getting a lot more top of /r/all posts lately too. They were all celebrating it as the demise of ctr or something a week or so ago. They're a lot more active though so having 4k+ voted posts isn't that weird there. The hillary sub it's odd because most posts never hit above 200-400 upvotes. If you look at their top of all time most of the 2k+ posts have been in the last week and they're all only around 50% upvoted. The lower the % upvoted generally the higher the upvote count is. Which would make sense if they were getting brigaded. Or maybe they've found a way to make their own voting look like brigading to reddit's system to manipulate the votes.

              [–]reality55 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              http://imgur.com/a/1xvOc

              [–]myndzha 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              6,693 (51% upvoted) 334,651 votes

              Current upvotes on that post. Seems totally legit /s

              [–]doihavemakeanewword 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

              There are piles of posts on r/the_donald that do exactly the same. Stop trying to spin this.

              Edit: Wow. That got ugly fast. You do realize this happens with EVERY controversial post in r/all, right? As well as Reddit's number fudging algorithm? Not everything has to be about censorship you know.

              [–]Nevera_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Dude she is such a negative influence on so many yhings it blows my mind how she can stick her greedy icewitch fingers in everyone elses cool shit.

              [–]XFX_Samsung 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Everything is biased towards Crooked in this election, and lots of people see right through it and yet you still see gullible people supporting her with the force of a thousands suns lol. Don't they ask themselves that when one candidate is praised SO much by the media that maybe there is something more to it... ?

              [–]swolemedic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              When theres a massive disconnect between voting groups its usually due to a faction/a demagogue (hand in hand with faction) is usually to blame

              [–]griph00k 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              everyone is working overboard because is her turn, its only fair after all those years of being the butt of all those monica lewinsky jokes

              [–]Lauren_of_Lore -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

              "my unpopular opinion is being bashed, the system must be rigged against me!"

              This is all Trump and his followers can say anymore at this point. Maybe your ideas are just that unpopular?

              [–]allthingsfree -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Numbers don't lie. If your premise were true the voting numbers would indicate that. OP's point, which seems to have wooshed over your head, is that the post voting statistics do not support the post voting status, hence concern of manipulation.

              [–]Lauren_of_Lore 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's already been pointed out that you can't simply do the math to figure out how many actual votes have been made on a post because reddit fuzzes their numbers based on a bunch of different factors. Read the top post

              [–]lollilllolllollol 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

              50% OF 10,000 IS 5000

              50% OF 1,000,000 is 500,000

              JESUS FUCK

              [–]Dalroc 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              A thread with 49% upvoted ends up on 0 points. The points that are shown are not just all the upvotes, it's a score that is calculated through a secret formula.

              OP assumes that Score = Upvotes - Downvotes which makes sense, but it is a simplistic guess that isn't correct.

              [–]MauiWanderer 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

              actually you can clearly see the overall vote count on the hillary post is a total of 332k votes

              the top 5 of all time are 40-70k votes.

              i think this is evidence of the ctr and donald bots sending the algorithm out of control, at this point both camps probably have bots writing bots to manipulate anything that hits high enough on all

              and as far as doing math, a score of 5k upvotes, with a 50% rating, is a lot more than 10,000 overall votes because each downvote costs an upvote point

              ill use a post from a smaller sub to illustrate https://www.reddit.com/r/Bowling/comments/5b8p1j/picture_with_one_of_the_greatest_and_my_childhood/

              18 up points, 24 overall votes, its 88% positive though, not 75%

              [–]Kroan 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

              Are you trying to say that a top 50 website, reddit, has at most 70,000 people voting on it's most popular content?

              [–]MauiWanderer 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

              feel free to do your own research

              https://www.reddit.com/r/all/top/

              even the top post currently of /r/all only has 7k votes total

              [–]Kroan 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

              You don't think that's ridiculously low? And might indicate that the way you're calculating participation is wrong?

              [–]MauiWanderer 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

              jesus christ man, im not calculating anything, im not sure if reddit offers it without res, but it tells you the total fucking vote count directly under its score

              this post: 2248 points 65% upvoted, out of 7.494 votes total

              [–]Kroan 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

              So this post has as many votes as the top on r/all?

              [–]MauiWanderer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              the current top, not of all time

              [–]Ldeezy -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Is it news to you that r/The_Donald users can't do math? Lol

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                [–]SEXUALLYCHARGDADONIS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                u/jerrysgolfcart

                [–]MantorokBeatsAll 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Even one of the top comments there says they've never seen that sub on the front page before. Gee, I wonder why it all of a sudden, with 1-2 days before the election, it makes it to the front page?

                [–]DwarvenPirate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                MFW Hillary Clinton can't be bothered to do an AMA for reddit

                [–]TotesMessenger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

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                [–]staffs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Feels > reals

                [–]Lots42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Please take this nonsense to /r/conspiracy

                [–]Iloveit1988 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                This site used to be so nice. I don't k ow why I still frequent this shit place. The admins have turned it into a corrupt hivemind of biased fools straight from an Orwellian fantasy.

                [–]CelineHagbard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                If you mostly stay away from the larger subs, this place can still be pretty great.

                [–]JB_UK 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                These are the polls amongst reddit's demographic (millenials):

                When likely voters [ages 18-29] were asked their preferences in a four-way match up, Clinton received 49% of the vote, compared to Trump’s 21%, Johnson’s 14%, and Stein’s 5%. 11% indicated that they were still undecided. In a two-way match-up between Clinton and Trump, Clinton received 59% to Trump’s 25% among likely voters.

                http://iop.harvard.edu/youth-poll/harvard-iop-fall-2016-poll

                Think of how many thousands of times the_donald has been on the front page, and this one time the clinton subreddit gets there, it's definitely because reddit is gaming the votes. Especially given this extremely well-thought-out evidence.

                Everyone knows reddit fuzzes vote totals and percentages. You can't draw these kind of conclusions from it.

                [–]vinnybag0donuts -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Yeah they're scumbags.

                [–]AviAdii -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Wow the propaganda is insane! This is why Trump needs to be prez

                [–]SuperConductiveRabbiundelete MVP 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                FYI, this thread was briefly deleted and then reinstated around position 145 on /r/all. https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/5bhg5b/1451444171_reddit_admins_voterigged_a/

                At the moment it's unclear why.

                [–]MisterTruth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Take a guess. It got too much attention so spez, who has still never commented on what he will do to combat paid posters despite being asked about it numerous times, had it removed and reinstated to take it off all.

                [–]liminalentropy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Try refreshing the page and keep an eye on the sidebar. Total no of votes is rapidly fluctuating.

                [–]griffmic88 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Can confirm..was up at like 2 am and saw 140 comment post that had like 5k upvotes....how does that happen?

                [–]krispybrownstank 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I've actually noticed that when I use Reddit Mobile and upvote or downvote something, they are gone when I log in via PC. I thought it was strange that they didn't carry over and smiled when I could downvote /r/politics twice but seems that isn't the case

                [–]ModeratorsAreDouches -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Clinton backers vote rigging? So, what else is new?

                [–]Dareat -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                As if the Trump subreddit posts aren't rigged..they are 10 times more rigged than Hillary's rofl

                [–]AnindoorcatBot 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Where's your proof.

                [–]Dareat 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                It's obvious. Multiple pro trump subreddits are spaming anti hillary messages. Trump is hated in most reddit threads I see and still he gets massive upvotes to the top, with a low amount of upvote %

                [–]AnindoorcatBot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Couldn't be that this is a liberal site. No wayy. If you've been here to see Obama get elected you'd be a lot less ignorant

                [–]Nick246 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Wut m8?

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