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[–]sueybunny 4246ポイント4247ポイント  (1101子コメント)

Worst "would you rather" ever

EDIT: thanks for the gold!

[–]SmokeyBare 1862ポイント1863ポイント  (921子コメント)

WYR burn to death in nuclear war, or drown to death in police state?

[–]chrask 2185ポイント2186ポイント  (467子コメント)

I'm not sure which one refers to trump and Hillary. Both seem feasible for either candidate

Edit: I'm ashamed that this poorly written comment doubled my comment karma

[–]Charod48 713ポイント714ポイント  (57子コメント)

Welcome to politics!!!

[–]pistcow 291ポイント292ポイント  (42子コメント)

That other person is the asshole.

[–]JVakarian 549ポイント550ポイント  (32子コメント)

“There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.”

― John Adams, The Works Of John Adams, Second President Of The United States

[–]Panther_throwaway 264ポイント265ポイント  (22子コメント)

Who preceeded to kind of do just that in his rivalry with Jefferson

[–]JVakarian 109ポイント110ポイント  (15子コメント)

Jefferson had some good things to say as well:

  • "Men have differed in opinion and been divided into parties by these opinions from the first origin of societies, and in all governments where they have been permitted freely to think and to speak. The same political parties which now agitate the U.S. have existed through all time. Whether the power of the people or that of the [aristocracy] should prevail were questions which kept the states of Greece and Rome in eternal convulsions, as they now schismatize every people whose minds and mouths are not shut up by the gag of a despot. And in fact the terms of Whig and Tory belong to natural as well as to civil history. They denote the temper and constitution of mind of different individuals." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:279

  • "Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties: 1. Those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2. Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depositary of the public interests. In every country these two parties exist, and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves. Call them, therefore, Liberals and Serviles, Jacobins and Ultras, Whigs and Tories, Republicans and Federalists, Aristocrats and Democrats, or by whatever name you please, they are the same parties still and pursue the same object. The last one of Aristocrats and Democrats is the true one expressing the essence of all." --Thomas Jefferson to Henry Lee, 1824. ME 16:73

[–]Appetite4destruction 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

*proceeded

[–]lordofducks 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is true he and TJ differed but it was Hamilton that was the partisan.

[–]Costco1L 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Differed? They were brutal. From a CNN article:

Things got ugly fast. Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman."

In return, Adams' men called Vice President Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."

As the slurs piled on, Adams was labeled a fool, a hypocrite, a criminal, and a tyrant, while Jefferson was branded a weakling, an atheist, a libertine, and a coward. See

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    [–]A-DotHam 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    "Sit down John, you fat motherfucker."

    ― Alexander Hamilton

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      [–]vonmonologue 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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        [–]Ephraim325 40ポイント41ポイント  (11子コメント)

        Isn't it great?!?! We can vote for the psychopathic narcissist or the narcissistic psychopath! Just remember a vote for one candidate is a vote against the other. Even if you're options are shit and shit

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          [–]rationalcomment 2091ポイント2092ポイント x3 (302子コメント)

          Nah Trump will make America win bigly. Look at how wrong Reddit was so far about Trump:

          -Trump's not a serious candidate

          -Trump will be out by October

          -Trump will never win a single primary

          -Trump has a ceiling of 25%

          -Trump has a ceiling of 30%

          -Trump has a ceiling of 35%

          -Trump has a ceiling of 40%

          -Trump will never win the south

          -Trump can't win with evangelicals

          -Trump will never be the nominee

          -Trump will never win the general <~~ you are now here

          -Trump can't put inexperienced interns on his administration cabinet

          -Trump can't really build a wall

          -Trump can't negotiate the release of Half Life 3

          -Trump can't expect the President of China to sign an unconditional surrender on the deck of the USS Nimitz

          -Trump cannot get re-elected

          -Trump can't be the fifth face on Mount Rushmore

          -Trump can't be all five faces on Mount Trumpmore

          -Trump can't run and win the 3rd term, can he?

          [–]turnonthesunflower 389ポイント390ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Mount Trumpmore

          Brilliant.

          [–]kryptic_131 293ポイント294ポイント  (103子コメント)

          He'll really win over gamers if he makes half life 3 happen.

          [–]SectarianOrigin 165ポイント166ポイント  (7子コメント)

          Yeah, I got to that one and thought, "Hmmmm, well........"

          [–]parlez-vous 87ポイント88ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Valve's not giving Half life 3 to their best game devs. You've got underworked, underpayed interns slowly designing Half Life 3. If I'm elected I'll make sure that the game devs that update Counter Strike and DOTA get working on Half Life 3. I make the best game dev decisions, everyone tells me this. They tell me, "Donald, will you please control my developers?". And I tell them no, because I'm a busy man. But when it comes to this great nation I take big steps to ensure America keeps its great devs great.

          We have China and their developers working more hours, working cheaply producing our games people. I wont stand for that. I mean china has some good games but when it comes to American games, we got the world beat.

          [–]kryptic_131 46ポイント47ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Donald Trump. Making Gordon Great Again.

          [–]TubasAreFun 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

          make all the Gordon free, man

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            [–]Zarokima 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I will donate my life savings to his re-election campaign if he gets HL3 released.

            Not sure how far $13.28 goes on the campaign trail, but at least I'll have made my contribution.

            [–]david2278 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

            A 35% tax on all games sold by valve until the release of Half Life 3.

            #MakeValveGreatAgain

            [–]The3liGator 108ポイント109ポイント  (75子コメント)

            I'm a Muslim, but if he can get half-life 3, that can be negotiated.

            [–]randomusername7725 76ポイント77ポイント  (41子コメント)

            I'm not a muslim but I'm pakistani. Voting for trump.

            [–]woosahwoosahwoosah 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

            im pakistani too, i didn't even know there were non muslim pakistanis

            this is a trip

            [–]randomusername7725 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

            My family and I, Christian my friend. We have some Muslim friends, though. Here in Texas there is a huge yuge amount of Pakistani christians.

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                  [–]pandaSmore 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  There's probably a higher chance of Trump getting a third term than Half-Life 3 getting released.

                  [–]el-toro-loco 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  3 terms

                  Overturns 22nd Amendment

                  22-3=19

                  19th Amendment ended women's suffrage

                  Hillary is a woman

                  Trump donated $100k to Hillary

                  Oklahoma tried deporting 100k illegals

                  4 border states

                  4 walls

                  4 walls make a room

                  The Room came out in 2003

                  Half Life 2 came out in 2004

                  2004-2003=1

                  One man to rule them all

                  Donald Trump confirmed to release Half-Life 3

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                    [–]Orome2 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    My favorite was Nate Silver's sarcastic prediction:

                    https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/730251094614528000

                    [–]truwarier14 419ポイント420ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    WEW LAD

                    [–]scedast_dotcom 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Given how wrong Reddit was about Obama, I believe this.

                    [–]_Phineas 110ポイント111ポイント  (27子コメント)

                    CNN said Trump had a 1% of winning the Republican nomination.

                    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/09/politics/donald-trump-data-pivit-2016-election/

                    [–]raptor102888 67ポイント68ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    -Trump can't negotiate the release of Half Life 3

                    It would all be worth it for that.

                    [–]JDiks 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    "-Trump can't be all five faces on Mount Trumpmore"

                    Family vacation time!

                    [–]pixel-painter 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    This video captures your text perfectly.

                    [–]iaspeegizzydeefrent 114ポイント115ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    Well shit, now I feel like I have to vote for Trump. I don't agree with the wall but I'll be damned if I wouldn't like to see it. Would also like to see him turn Hillary in prison into a reality show.

                    [–]YouBetterDuck 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    How about if Hillary builds a fence? Are you with her then? /s

                    "Well, I voted for border security and some of it was a fence," Clinton said. "I don’t think we ever called it a wall. Maybe in some places it was a wall."

                    [–]ThatJoeyFella 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Prison Uniforms Are The New Pant Suits?

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                      [–]philmcracken27 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Mount Rushmore ain't got enough hair.

                      [–]MidnightTide 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      You definitely get a coat.

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                        [–]MagicalTrevor09 63ポイント64ポイント  (23子コメント)

                        Every single election people say this. Granted it is worse this election, but still. People need to be reminded that president does not equal all powerful dictator that can do whatever the fuck he/she wants.

                        [–]melodyze 33ポイント34ポイント  (9子コメント)

                        This is a particularly important election though. We have a supreme court seat open and have one or two other justices that seem primed to retire. If the next president were to decide three justices in their term then they would be deciding the course of the country for like the next 35 years.

                        They could overturn citizens united or overturn the right to gay marriage or make 100 other fundamental changes to the law of the land.

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                          [–]zombiexslayer44 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          Is anyone else genuinely afraid about the sheer amount of censorship going on in /r/politics? I think it's probably the most terrifying part of this election for me. I'm afraid to post a comment in that sub now for fear of being banned.

                          [–]Elethor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I stopped visiting that sub once I realized it was basically r/hillary

                          [–]DSylvian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Is anyone else genuinely afraid about the sheer amount of censorship going on in /r/politics? I think it's probably the most terrifying part of this election for me.

                          It's embarrassing and stupid, but I don't get how it's terrifying.

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                            [–]S1ayer 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            This is why we're fucked. Nobody seems to know/care that Hilary wants to go to war over a no fly zone with a country that has more soldiers and nukes than us.

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                                [–]Yghmsnc 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Black or white fallacy

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                                  [–]mansonfamily 814ポイント815ポイント  (59子コメント)

                                  This whole thread jumped to shitshow so quickly

                                  [–]ReginaldLADOO 451ポイント452ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                  I don't mind it though. I'd prefer the content with the shitfest in the comments then it not being allowed at all. /r/pics has the best rule for politics. They just add an election flair to the post. So many other main subs just ban politics entirely. /r/todayilearned doesn't even allow posts about the Iraq war. It's bullshit.

                                  [–]Wahsteve 144ポイント145ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  Last election cycle /r/todayIlearned turned into "today I'm going to regurgitate one of my side's talking points" and it was awful.

                                  [–]longshot2025 71ポイント72ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Yeah a complete ban may be a bit heavy-handed, but /r/TIL has always had the most ridiculously agenda-pushing titles even when it's not an election year.

                                  I think there was a /r/subredditsimulator post titled "TIL Hilary Clinton is a terrible person" and many people didn't realize it wasn't actually in /r/TIL.

                                  [–]NoSpicyFood 140ポイント141ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                  /r/todayilearned doesn't even allow posts about the Iraq war. It's bullshit.

                                  Seriously. I had a post removed about that false quote people attribute to Al Gore claiming he invented the Internet. All he said was that he sponsored bills that contributed to fostering the Internet. But no one got to learn that on TIL.

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                                      [–]eltrut41 586ポイント587ポイント  (75子コメント)

                                      Proof we are in the crappiest version of the multiverse.

                                      [–]princetrunks 171ポイント172ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                      El Psy Congroo

                                      [–]trevskeetz 30ポイント31ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                      Nah, in 2 days this universal variation will split off into two--there's still hope we're in the better one ;)

                                      [–]mongoosefist 50ポイント51ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      We are living the darkest time line.

                                      [–]King_Henry_of_Spades 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Ehh, I'm pretty sure this might be the only one that didn't end in a nuclear apocalypse during the cold war

                                      [–]TattooSadness 21ポイント22ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                      I literally think about this all the time. It really does feel like we're living in an evil time line. Like it wasn't supposed to be like this. Everything feels so sinister these days.

                                      [–]RollBread 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      That's more thanks to highly controlled media, plenty of good happens in our world.

                                      [–]Ravelthus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      There is that stupid theory that when CERN fired up their big ole' LHC in 2012 it threw us into a shitty timeline.

                                      Starting to ironically believe that theory holds some truth.

                                      [–]TCobel 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I was going to say your comment was needlessly pessimistic but holy shit that's a trippy thought.

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                                          [–]Nekture 322ポイント323ポイント  (113子コメント)

                                          In a discussion between Clinton supporters and Trump supporters there are no winners.

                                          [–]Schnackenpfeffer 166ポイント167ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          only Weiners

                                          [–]POUND_MY_ANUS 186ポイント187ポイント  (64子コメント)

                                          more like trump supporters and people that dont like trump

                                          [–]Imzarth 40ポイント41ポイント  (40子コメント)

                                          I mean, they can continue to critizice each other's candidates for days and days and nobody would be in the right

                                          Still, I personally believe Clinton is a criminal and shouldn't have been able to run for president to start with, while Trump is a clown, he's in his own right to run for president, and without Hillary Bernie would've destroyed Trump

                                          Disclaimer: I'm not American, I'm not voting, and wouldn't vote for neither of these 2 if I had the chance to

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                                            [–]Tonberry88 80ポイント81ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                            Honda Element?

                                            [–]tubsthetuba 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            The greatest car ever built!

                                            [–]ygkflyboy 21ポイント22ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                            Just seems like someone who's voting for Bernie would drive one come to think of it...

                                            Never really liked them, they were so boxy, and then when I thought they were gone the horrifyingly strange Nissan Cube came in...ugh, the only vehicles that look good boxy are 80s pickup trucks!

                                            [–]kirche5 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Keep in mind that the element would be better described as a small van as opposed to an SUV. You can fit a motorcycle into the back of the element, try that with any other SUV.

                                            [–]ramwham 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            My friend drives one, and he's quite the Republican supporter.

                                            [–]theworsttasteinmusic 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Gun toting Libertarian Element owner here. The E shall not be stereotyped!

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                                                  [–]black_flag_4ever 1330ポイント1331ポイント  (371子コメント)

                                                  Imagine if the DNC had a real primary. Then we could be voting for him right now.

                                                  [–]SmokeyBare 1143ポイント1144ポイント  (73子コメント)

                                                  Imagine the DNC chairperson wasn't a Clinton crony. Tim Caine steps down for Wasserman Shultz (Clinton's former campaign manager), and gets rewarded with Vice Presidency. DWS rigs primary for Clinton, forced to step down, and is immediately hired to Clinton campaign. Only to be replaced by Donna Brazile, who gets caught giving Hillary the debate questions. So who's next? Jennifer Granholm, the chair of Correct The Record. Good luck reforming the Democratic Party.

                                                  [–]branawesome 282ポイント283ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                  House of Cards season 5

                                                  [–]TTTrisss 104ポイント105ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                  Wow! I'm part of a TV show! Even if it is only Extra #1,342,391 playing as the role of "Voter."

                                                  [–]FuckingShitRobots 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  That's cute that you think "voter" is something that would be case ;)

                                                  [–]007T [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                  That's cute that you think "voter" is something that would be case ;)

                                                  when were you when you found out voter is not case

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                                                    [–]amalgam_reynolds 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    But there are only 4 suits.

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                                                      [–]svaubeoriyuan6 132ポイント133ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                      "But 3 seats will be open in the Supreme Court!"

                                                      And then she appoints her banker and insurance friends which ensures we'll never see good changes to our tax structure or single-payer healthcare.

                                                      [–]JonWood007 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                      Yeah, it's pretty much my firm belief that the only hope the democratic party has is to vote against them. Not for Trump, but for a third party.

                                                      Seriously, they're counting on Americans adopting the attitude of the OP picture. Oh fine, I guess I have to vote for Clinton.

                                                      No, screw that, that's what she's counting on. That they can be this screwed up and corrupt and people will still flock to them. Americans need to send them a message this behavior is unacceptable, regardless of how it influences the outcome of the election.

                                                      [–]theorymeltfool 64ポイント65ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                      Yet no one is giving Hillary shit for accepting questions and cheating.

                                                      Hillary will lose.

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                                                        [–]MrsBoombastic98 127ポイント128ポイント  (50子コメント)

                                                        DNC is so corrupt.

                                                        [–]DrHenryPym 117ポイント118ポイント  (48子コメント)

                                                        Yeah, we can mock the Republicans all we want, but they still had a fair primary. Voting for them for the first time in my life to prove a point: rigging an election forfeits any party allegiance -- DNC is now its own party: the establishment's.

                                                        [–]MAGAisMyPronoun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                        They didn't, they more or less cancelled the primary in Colorado so Trump couldn't win and Trump still won.

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                                                            [–]AGWednesday 114ポイント115ポイント  (158子コメント)

                                                            Not trying to start a fight, but I've never understood this statement and it could be due to something I missed, so I'm asking...

                                                            I know there were a ton of emails from and to important people connected to the DNC voicing concerns about Sanders. I know people floated around ideas about doing things to suppress votes. That I get and it's definitely a problem.

                                                            But what did the DNC do that actually affected the primary? I'm talking about actions here, not just talk.

                                                            [–]Washbag 319ポイント320ポイント  (99子コメント)

                                                            The media colluded with hillary against Bernie, the DNC leaked debate questions to Hillary to use against Bernie, they gave financial support, etc. They were actively working against Bernie the whole time.

                                                            [–]jpdemers 245ポイント246ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                                            As a result of the DNC leaks, Debbie Wasserman Shultz resigned and Donna Brazile was fired from CNN. This is a public admission of guilt.

                                                            [–]captenplanet90 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                            Actually, it recently came out that DWS was going to resign after the primaries so that she could officially work with the Clinton Campaign. The whole thing has been planned out for some time in advance. Which makes it more deplorable in my eyes.

                                                            [–]PromiscuousHobo 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            Do you really think they aren't discussing things with hillary herself?

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                                                                [–]black_flag_4ever 174ポイント175ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                                                Read up on /r/DNCleaks and /r/WayOfTheBern. Primaries were moved in favor of HRC, Donna Brazile leaked debate questions to HRC, superdelegates were bullied into voting for her, and so much more.

                                                                [–]HerboIogist 158ポイント159ポイント  (40子コメント)

                                                                Not to mention the media manipulation, making sure he never got a decent spotlight is what sunk him imo.

                                                                [–]AnnoyinglyRelatable 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                What primary was moved, I read a failed request for one.

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                                                                  [–]jbgobgob 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  All DNC powerplayers were actively working on the side of Hillary.

                                                                  Now, how is power played? in the backrooms and salons, for the most part. The public part of that is that the people at the DNC could tag a LOT of surrogates to represent Clinton in the media, something which won Clinton the primaries.

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                                                                      [–]sehmetmoydan 246ポイント247ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                                      i support trump because he is orange

                                                                      [–]BeachCop 1669ポイント1670ポイント  (1708子コメント)

                                                                      Serious question for the Bernie folks. Wasn't it proven that Hillary and her criminal enterprise basically gave Bernie a royal fucking and sabotaged his entire campaign? Why would you vote for her?

                                                                      [–]tinykeyboard 1198ポイント1199ポイント  (126子コメント)

                                                                      i asked someone on reddit a similar question. it was more about why bernie didn't run as independent. since his reason was to avoid vote splitting since bernie valued his platform, he would rather his supporters vote for hillary than split votes and get trump elected. personally i agree with this reasoning.

                                                                      [–]laserlemons 600ポイント601ポイント  (48子コメント)

                                                                      Why are you font?

                                                                      [–]GumdropGoober 916ポイント917ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                      You can't just ask people about their font, jesus christ.

                                                                      [–]Medium_Rare_Cancer 124ポイント125ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                      because its /u/tinykeyboard

                                                                      [–]Ceirin 80ポイント81ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                                      These novelty accounts are becoming more mundane every time I see one. Next thing you know it's gonna be u/sEcondlettercapital.

                                                                      [–]Secondsemblance 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      How can she font?

                                                                      [–]thegarlicknight 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      Why aren't you font?

                                                                      [–]amalgam_reynolds 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Did you just assume my font?

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                                                                        [–]svaubeoriyuan6 48ポイント49ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                        I saw two paths for him:

                                                                        1. Hope for the best with Hillary. The system sucks, but won't ruin the country. Hope that his ideals make some amount of minor change. Hope that it helps down-ballot votes.

                                                                        2. Upend the system. Run as an independant. Continue to say she is the reason why things are bad and we can't just cite her experience and say that's presidential enough. Create a new party that possibly had a better chance of sticking than our current 3rd parties.

                                                                        [–]uptokesforall 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        1. Get liberal politicians in his state to a super majority of state congress. Run a successful bid as governor and push massive reforms through the state legislature. Years later cite these reforms as proof that you can deliver and run as an independent in the general election. Have a successor lined up in case you croak.

                                                                        Option 2 isn't really a good option until you can point to a working alternative to the status quo.

                                                                        [–]Mohumasta 29ポイント30ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                        except it's been proven time and time again that a party divided always loses. Even if he did run third party and beat out Hiliarly, chances are Trump would have beat out both of them. So as distasteful as it is, option 1 was the only logical one if his sole goal was to beat Trump.

                                                                        [–]PM_ME_YOUR_LUKEWARM 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        And now the Republican party is extremely divided.

                                                                        I never thought I would see a Republican commercial saying

                                                                        Republicans for Hilary

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                                                                          [–]homeslice49 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          Create a new party that possibly had a better chance of sticking than our current 3rd parties.

                                                                          And split the Democrat vote, giving Trump the White House and the Supreme Court for the next decade or two

                                                                          It's the same reason none of the other GOP candidates ran as independant; the stakes are far too high. Bernie couldn't have entertained option #2 for more than a few seconds

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                                                                            [–]MSparta 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            he also told his supporters not to listen to his advice which candidate they should chose, and they should do their own decisions

                                                                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uAvqnoAjII

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                                                                              [–]DMzeff 83ポイント84ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                              I was a Bernie delegate and i went from feeling so well represented to feeling like I'm back to having no choice that represents me. I wont ever vote for HRC or anyone she's tied to or anyone that any of her scumbags that rigged things are tied to.

                                                                              [–]BellaLou324 216ポイント217ポイント  (119子コメント)

                                                                              I have no delusions of Hilary being anything like Bernie. I hate her so much. I know she'll flip flop on every Bernie platform she's promised.

                                                                              However, I'm in a swing state. And there is a very good chance Trump could win this thing. I don't want Trump to make gay marriage illegal again. I don't want him to waste a ton of fucking money pretending to build a wall just to prove he can. But most of all I don't want him or the Republican Party to choose up to three new Supreme Court justices. So, I'm probably going to suck it up, and vote for Hillary. Then go home and cry a little bit. Or a lot. I think people don't realize how truly upsetting it is to have to do this, because it's what the DNC was banking on the whole freaking time, just like always.

                                                                              Also- being a swing state, my vote for a third party really truly would be a waste.

                                                                              Edit: okay people, you can stop showing me a picture of Trump holding the LGBT flag. I should have been more clear. Trump won't make gay marriage illegal, but a republican Supreme Court scares the shit out of me, and gay marriage was the first thing to come to my mind.

                                                                              I guess I should have mentioned the whole punishing women who get abortions thing, because that is much worse. Do I really need to list a. Inch of reasons NOT to vote for Trump? He's bigoted, he's racist. He's misogynistic, he's an absolute embarrassment.

                                                                              The point is, Trump will mess some shit up. Hillary will probably just be more of the same bullshit our two party system has been giving us for years. Either way, there will be another election in 4 years. Maybe we can get our shit together by then, but probably not.

                                                                              [–]ScarpaDiem 192ポイント193ポイント  (60子コメント)

                                                                              I'm not. I refuse to "fall in line" behind the embodiment of corruption.

                                                                              [–]dmbrandon 34ポイント35ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                                              What's the plan, then?

                                                                              [–]Gunnar123abc 34ポイント35ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                              next mid term, next presidential election, with a new better candidate? US will still be around. There will be again a Republican president one day, and there will be again a Democrat president, and no laws are set in stone, not even the constitution.

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                                                                                [–]delightfuldinosaur 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                "Stand by your principles, even if you stand alone."

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                                                                                  [–]red_hare 318ポイント319ポイント  (308子コメント)

                                                                                  Because the alternative it much much worse.

                                                                                  [–]amalgam_reynolds 144ポイント145ポイント  (182子コメント)

                                                                                  GOOD point

                                                                                  I would have voted for Bernie. I will not vote for Hillary. I think that "voting for you party simply because they're your party" is a terrible idea.

                                                                                  [–]RedLobster_Biscuit 136ポイント137ポイント  (140子コメント)

                                                                                  What about policies, though.

                                                                                  [–]PM_ME_CUPS_OF_TEA 133ポイント134ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                                  I don't understand the focus in American politics on the personalities of the person running rather than the actual policies of the party.

                                                                                  [–]ReverendSinatra 41ポイント42ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  Because her actual voting record is to the left of Obama and near identical to Sanders so if we focused on that we wouldn't have any reason to whine.

                                                                                  [–]noxumida 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Because one of the candidates is recorded as saying that their "private" policy decisions are different from their "public" policy positions. How can you judge someone on their policy positions when they've said they're a lie?

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                                                                                    [–]mobiusstripsearch 105ポイント106ポイント  (113子コメント)

                                                                                    What policies? She has different public and private positions. There's no telling what she really wants.

                                                                                    [–]ISaidGoodDey 92ポイント93ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                    Just like how she is "against" the TPP, but not really.

                                                                                    [–]mobiusstripsearch 61ポイント62ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                    Yeah, Wikileaks basically showed that she's only against it because her staffers thought she'd lose labor votes if she wasn't. They'd already drafted up her announcement for when she signs the bill.

                                                                                    [–]tofur99 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    And "for" marijuana, but not really.

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                                                                                      [–]TheEternalThrowaway 11ポイント12ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                      I'd rather have someone who says they believe in climate change than someone who says that it's a hoax.

                                                                                      [–]theciderhouseRULES 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                      have you looked at the way she voted as senator? her record was extremely liberal, further to the left than obama

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                                                                                          [–]tripletstate 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          She's still a Democrat, and they both vote roughly the same. Trump wants things that I know are wrong.

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                                                                                              [–]ReevJax 89ポイント90ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                              "The Party" straight up f's over its members, members fall in line none the less

                                                                                              [–]MrHand1111 49ポイント50ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                              Bernie got the shaft!

                                                                                              [–]Alix77 226ポイント227ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                              Nice try, no way I'm supporting Hilldog.

                                                                                              [–]QueefingGilf 88ポイント89ポイント  (55子コメント)

                                                                                              Am I the only one that didn't like Bernie Sanders?

                                                                                              [–]FruitySploosh 65ポイント66ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                              If you're as new to this site as your history suggests, then you should be thankful you found this place after Bernie dropped and not before. Holy shit Bernie was a god here.

                                                                                              [–]ToukanLab [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              He's still kinda viewed as one all over Reddit. I'm kind of stunned when people on Reddit complain about /r/TheDonald, I can just not subscribe to it and blacklist it and that's it. But not subscribing to /r/SandersForPresident and blacklisting it is very far from being enough to stop hearing from this side of the not so gradual spectrum of opinions.

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                                                                                                [–]kirche5 31ポイント32ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                                As a person or his platform? Because I don't know anyone who did not like Bernie as a person.

                                                                                                [–]theonewhocucks 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                I knew quite a few. Basically every republican I personally know/knew thought "at least he has integrity" but they hated his speeches, his socialist stuff, his personality, his personal life going to Russia and praising Cuba, and basically everything else about him.

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                                                                                                    [–]WharGoul666 75ポイント76ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                    That is the pure opposite of 'democracy'.

                                                                                                    [–]JB_UK 55ポイント56ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                    Democracy is actually about compromise. If you don't have significant disagreements with the person you're voting for, you frankly don't have independent opinions.

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                                                                                                      [–]MrHarryReems 33ポイント34ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                      Not. Ever.

                                                                                                      [–]openforum2011 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                      ITT: Dumpster fire

                                                                                                      [–]Original80 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                      Haha she cheated Bernie, lets vote her in.. Whatever you say CNN

                                                                                                      [–]greggaravani 233ポイント234ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                                                      Ew I would never vote for her.

                                                                                                      [–]guyincognito777 36ポイント37ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                                      Yeah, I guess I'll accept the candidate that cheated to beat my candidate. No problem.

                                                                                                      [–]TNSLPPBNTSO-spanish [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                      I'm mexican and im voting for trump

                                                                                                      [–]gortrix 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                      I love this Honda Element

                                                                                                      [–]topsyturvytopsy 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      My neighbour has those exact same bumper stickers on her car.

                                                                                                      We live in Canada.

                                                                                                      [–]KarmaPaymentPlanning 38ポイント39ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                      Considering Hillary is least popular among white males, these types of threads come as no surprise.

                                                                                                      [–]SakanaAtlas 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      I thought we all agreed on the Hugh Mungus Bone Ticket

                                                                                                      [–]guiltyofnothing 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      Kind of how primaries work. Your person doesn't always win.

                                                                                                      [–]ChryslerFifthAvenue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      Blows my mind you clowns will vote for a candidate the polar opposite of the one you wanted after she rigged the primary just to keep the party that rigged the primary in power. Because the other option said he'd grab a pussy in private twenty years ago.

                                                                                                      [–]nostress20 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      Any Bernie supporter with some integrity left would not vote for her. It was stacked against him from day one and his supporters were mocked for thinking it was rigged. Then came Wikileaks.

                                                                                                      [–]Aluraine [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      It's funny because they thought they had a choice.

                                                                                                      [–]ThereIsNoRoseability 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                      Don't you people have independents or something on the ballot? You'd think someone would mention them in at least this election.

                                                                                                      [–]halabi97 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      Unfortunately the 2 party system and the media make an independent's chances to win near 0

                                                                                                      [–]1N54N3M0D3 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                      Unfortunately, no one cares about them as much, and a lot of people say it would "throw away your vote" or "get trump elected".

                                                                                                      It would be very hard to persuade enough people to even get them proper funding, unfortunately.

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                                                                                                        [–]graycountertop 72ポイント73ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                                                                        God I hate this "hidden" Hillary propaganda.

                                                                                                        [–]WonOneWun 40ポイント41ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                                        Right? She's getting pushed down everyone's throats EVERYWHERE. If she was really the lesser of two evils they wouldn't need to shill so hard for her.

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                                                                                                          [–]77maf 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                          How can you vote for Hillary after what they did to Bernie in the primaries.. Disgusting

                                                                                                          [–]LarkoGaming 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                          Alot of people seem to not like people who does this, but the reality is that of the two realistic candidates that are left, Hillary has the politics most similar to Sanders. Oh and its Trump ffs.

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