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Reddit admins voterigged a /r/hillaryclinton post to have 5k upvotes, but only 50% of votes are upvotes[META] (self.undelete)

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"So on this post, if we assume 50% is 50.5% getting rounded down, at 4916 score, about a million people voted on this post. (more if the number is closer to 50%)."

Nothing ever gets close to a million votes. The top post of all time on r/all has 67,000 votes.

https://np.reddit.com/r/hillaryclinton/comments/5bdcef/dear_rall_the_more_breaking_stories_about_emails/

Its stuck on 50%. It was 50% at 4916 and 50% at 5654.

Bear in mind that 1million votes is the minimum and assumes the votes stayed on 50.499% this whole time. If the percentage is 50.1% then its 5million votes total.

Anyway none of this is even possible. The_Donald has more activity than r/politics, and r/hillaryforprison has more subscribers than r/hillaryclinton. The admins often take votes away from Donald posts (famously the Trump AMA lost a third of its votes after 10 minutes). But now they are having to pump up Clinton posts to ridiculous levels.

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[–]eberkneezer 411ポイント412ポイント  (22子コメント)

The vote totals aren't real because reddit adds lots of votes of its own to cancel out what they see as malicious votes. e.g. bots and brigades. So an unusually high vote total indicates countermeasures to vote manipulation.

You use to be able to see the vote totals on comments too but they stopped that because it was too easy to see the attempts at vote manipulation and countermeasures playing out in the vote totals. When you could see the amount of bullshit voting that was getting cancelled , it wasn't hard to imagine how much they were missing and the crazy nature of people trying to "win" conversations.

The admins often take votes away from Donald posts (famously the Trump AMA lost a third of its votes after 10 minutes). But now they are having to pump up Clinton posts to ridiculous levels.

Similar complaints and explanation were made for the Snowden AMA and Obama AMA. The explanation is they normalise voting to keep posts comparable over time given that reddits population also changes over time.

See admin comment https://np.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/29j5uh/reddit_still_artificially_introduces_downvotes_on/cilwjgn/?context=2

Not saying it isn't all rigged but there are some explanations for some of the things seen which isn't very transparent or obvious.

[–]Kvothealar 53ポイント54ポイント  (10子コメント)

Most posts on the front page have millions of votes, not thousands too.

The votes we see are scaled by something similar to log(x).

[–]siccoblue 15ポイント16ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yeah. Isn't it something like votes in the first ten minutes weigh almost ten times as heavily as votes in Say, an hour, and they continue to become less meaningful over time only contributing a fraction of a "point" to the post to keep things from getting too crazy?

[–]dessalines_ -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

They could just implement range voting like on this site, https://flow-chat.com and make vote manipulation pretty much impossible.

[–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

The whole point of vote fuzzing is to prevent spammers. That would make it trivially easy and would just create businesses selling votes.

[–]dessalines_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

  • Reddit doesn't do anything to prevent vote selling, how could it?
  • Vote fuzzing is only necessary because up and downvotes are trivial to calculate. Range voting takes an average of collection, so unless you know exactly how everyone else voted (you don't), then you can't manipulate it, and there's no need to do any manipulation.

[–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

The entire and only reason for vote fuzzing is to prevent selling votes. The fuzz prevents spammers from seeing and therefore demonstrating the effects of their efforts.

More details can be read in this announcement.

http://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/28hjga/reddit_changes_individual_updown_vote_counts_no/

An easy way to know that reddit prevents vote selling is that you can't buy votes.

[–]dessalines_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

People buy votes all the time, what do you think CTR does?

And none of your replies mentions range voting, which completely nullifies the need for faking or fuzzing results.

BTW, we shouldn't be cool with vote fuzzing, with it, we have no way of knowing if reddit is censoring or pushing content.

[–]HatesRedditors 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

People buy votes all the time, what do you think CTR does?

I thought the argument was that CTR was employing a bunch of people with personality management programs, not that they were buying votes wholesale.

Range voting would change the entire system of voting on the site, you're asking for a massive change to satisfy a very small minority that would care.

If you want more complex voting other sites are doing it, slashdot ranks based on different categories, flow-chat.com uses modified ranked voting, facebook uses only positive voting. Having different sites using different methods will attract people who like those voting methods the most, which is better than everyone being the same.

[–]dessalines_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Employing = paying. They pay staff to create and upvote Hillary content. That's vote buying.

[–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

What does ctr do? Well I'm glad you asked because they've been caught doing what they do. They fuckin spam pm people with hillary propaganda, all the voting shit that people accuse them of is just people being upset that the world they wish the lived in isn't the same as the world they actually live in.

Range voting wouldnt work on reddits scale because content is ranked both locally and between subreddits that have massively different userbases and then again locally between content specific to a subreddit and content from a sub thats made it to all.

Some people are actually paying attention and logging vote tallies. Let me tell ya, the second there's a post that doesn't have a score that moves in the same reasonable consistent way that every post does, there will be clear obvious evidence of manipulation. Reddit literally has no reason to manipulate that shit or censor anything and you can be damn sure they know how meaningless it would be to get a post on or off /r/all versus backlash of people noticing

Tl;dr, we know it's not happening because we'd know if it was. Conjecture isn't proof.

[–]dessalines_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tl;dr, we know it's not happening because we'd know if it was.

... Nice proof. How can you know, seriously. My friend could pay me to upvote his post, so how can you prove that?

[–]Ferfrendongles 55ポイント56ポイント  (6子コメント)

So we're talking 900,000+ votes added by Reddit in the name of fairness? Nah, surely you can see that that's the same thing, right?

The first time I noticed the vote fraud (Reddit, not election) was way back on a Ted Cruz post that, each time you would refresh, would show thousands of points difference. I don't remember what agenda Reddit was pushing then, but I just bet it was to assist Hillary.

I think that anyone familiar at all with Reddit is having their brains overloaded with "no look it's all ok because of this thing that doesn't really make sense when you think about it", and we're all going with our gut, because it's screaming "fuckery is afoot".

[–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 147ポイント148ポイント  (3子コメント)

No, you're misunderstanding. Scores are not upvotes minus downvotes, thanks to the soft cap.

To quote an admin,

the score is no longer the literal difference between the number of up and down votes, but more like a representation of the post's popularity. The "X% upvoted" value is now accurate over the set of all votes on that submission, but simply doing score / upvote_ratio won't give you the actual number of votes.

[–]TMules 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can go to the top of all time on any subreddit, refresh the page, and watch the scores change each refresh even if the posts are archived

[–]Devam13 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Almost any post on the front page or r/all, even non politcal ones have generally 100,000+ votes. Especially popular ones. They use their algorithm to scale it down in some klog(x) where k depends on the popularity of Reddit as well as subreddit.

[–]MauiWanderer -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I have a feeling it may have something to do with the vote count algorithm and both the hillary and donald bots sending it out of control.

[–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

There are no confirmed voting scripts that actually work. Which is why we don't get 4chan trolling the front page ever.

[–]MauiWanderer -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

hillary and donald bots

basement dwelling neckbeards with nothing better to do, some getting paid 15/hr :)

[–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit discounts inorganic votes from similar sources.

However, if anyone wants to give me 15/hr to do reddit shit, I'm already here, drop me a line.

[–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 61ポイント62ポイント  (0子コメント)

Score are not the difference between the upvotes and the downvotes, there is, and has never been a way to see the accurate vote total.

To quote an admin,

the score is no longer the literal difference between the number of up and down votes, but more like a representation of the post's popularity. The "X% upvoted" value is now accurate over the set of all votes on that submission, but simply doing score / upvote_ratio won't give you the actual number of votes.

For comparison, I've been told that posts in /r/pics hit 70k actual score every single day. That's their usual score. The soft cap keeps scores relative to each other so that subs with massive userbases and those with smaller both appear on /r/all. The hillaryclinton post has a front page score for the other side of that reason, once it hit /r/all, more people were voting on it than are generally actively voting in the community, and that rate of voting resulted in the high score.

[–]SuperConductiveRabbiundelete MVP 143ポイント144ポイント  (53子コメント)

Can we talk about the completely retarded premise of the obviously manipulated post? They're claiming that the leaked emails can't be legitimate criticism of Hillary because...why? Because they're leaked? That's like saying you can't criticize the NSA because Snowden was the one that showed us evidence of their crimes.

So far the emails have given us primary source evidence that:

  1. She knowingly used an insecure email server

  2. She knowingly mishandled and illegally distributed classified information

  3. She knowingly deleted evidence of her crimes, even after being given a subpoena

  4. She knowingly lied under oath and claimed she only deleted personal emails

  5. She knowingly and repeatedly hid her crimes and deceived the American people while at the same time claiming she's the most qualified person to run the entire country

And as for the content of the emails, it's shown us:

  1. She conspired to rig the primaries

  2. She cheated in the debates

  3. She engages in pay-to-play politics

  4. She's taken money from foreign governments

  5. She's orchestrated arms deals in exchange for donations

  6. She's blaming the Russians for her crimes

  7. She has a secret "private position"

And this is without even getting into the more conspiracy-minded stuff, like whether or not she had knowledge that her super PAC hires agent provocateurs (whom they literally describe as "psychopaths who will do crazy shit").

We have all this primary source evidence and yet /r/all has a post saying that the more evidence you see from emails the less that evidence matters. And despite having only 51% upvotes it managed to rocket to the top.

[–]BootyOnRails 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

The same thing happened on the /r/mr_trump post telling /r/politics to suck a dick, it had 5k upvotes and was at 50% upvoted

[–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 137ポイント138ポイント  (29子コメント)

The comments there. Christ. I have cancer now.

And CTR has turned it up to eleven since it's so close to election day. r/Politics is particularly nasty too.

[–]SnipTheTipthenSip 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

I mean if the admins are going to rig a post to have massive upvoted scores it would make sense to rally all the paid CTRs to hit the comments section all at once with your Hillary Talking points. Remeber these people are hungry because most of the hillcamp has been in damage control over the last two weeks. It's cancer sure, but it makes sense on why it spread all over the host so quickly.

[–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, I've seen way more posts from that sub on /r/all than ever, and it's not like Clinton is gaining popularity as the election comes closer.

I don't even know who they're trying to fool.

[–]Dalroc 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've seen posts from /r/hillaryclinton under /r/all/rising despite them having 0 points and less than 50% upvotes several times.

[–]stud6988 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

I really like that anyone who posts something pro-Hillary or anti-Trump they're just a shill getting paid by CTR.

News flash, there are tons of us who really don't like Trump. T_D isn't representative of every person in the world's opinion

[–]Displayer_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really like that anyone who posts something pro-Hillary or anti-Trump they're just a shill getting paid by CTR.

News flash, there are tons of us who really don't like Trump. T_D isn't representative of every person in the world's opinion

While you are right, the Clinton campaign said they literally pay money to people to go online and "correct the record", I don't remember Trump saying or doing that. This kind of comment is mostly aimed at 2 days old accounts posting anti-trump stuff in the politics sub. While Trump supporters basically post pro-trump stuff all day because they like and admire him, Clinton has to pay people to post pro stuff on her, and anti trump stuff, she has the press on her pocket (literally), a platform she uses to attack trump's personal life. The most important thing here is to note that reddit is infested with these paid shills, which sound like a joke to you aparently but it isn't, just please think it it, one of the US presidential candidates pays people to go on reddit to manipulate votes, to manipulate the flow of ideas, posts and ban people who call them out with evidence of their wrong doings. Does that shit sound reasonable to you? Imagine what she will do once she is president. We don't even have to imagine because she has a political career and the evidence of her cheating and corruptions is already extense, same as with her scumbag husband.
I find it hard to believe when people tell me they don't like Trump, like honestly. Before the election, was your opinion about Trump the same ? Did you even have an opinion then? Let's remember that Donald Trump has a long history as a business man, he is well respected in his field and again remember that he had one of the most beloved american shows in the US (The apprentice), americans used to watch him daily and look after his decision making skills. Suddenly the american propaganda machine is out to get Trump and suddenly everyone has this particular opinion about him that seems like a total brainwash. Honestly, I am sorry to tell you, but if you really don't like Trump you have more likely been brainwashed by the american media. And don't feel too bad about it, it happens all the time, remember not so long ago the US and the american media pushed this lie that Iraq had chemical weapons, convinced the world of these lies by publishing them as facts in all the major boradcasters, and whoever was brave enough to say "no" was called a terrorist-lover. This is exactly the same with Trump right now, there is a narrative set in place to attack Trump, so they will publish anything to make him look bad and forget about the actual policies he proposes.
But perhaps you have different reasons to dislike him, so I am open to hear them, I am really interested to read why you dislike Trump. Let's keep a deal tho, if you are going to say "he is racist" please provide proof (that thing that makes you thing he is racist) of it so I can look into it and discuss with you.

[–]stud6988 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brainwashed by the media?

I can 100% make my own decisions. I don't watch any of the major news networks, I don't give a shit about what the media has to say about him. Hell, I don't even turn on my TV except to watch the Green Bay Packers during football season.

I don't like him. His own words, things he himself has said have pushed me 100% to the side of Hillary Clinton, whom I don't even personally like all that much.

And yes, before the election I didn't like him. I thought The Apprentice wasn't very good, and he was an egotistical jerk who just slapped his name on shit in gold lettering.

And don't even say that the_donald is just people upvoting because of their enthusiasm. Sure there's tons of people on that subreddit that upvote every shitpost to the top, but on top of that, if you look at their rising posts it's ridiculous how fast they get posts to 1000+ points. There's clearly bots upvoting EVERYTHING that gets posted in that subreddit. Even that I don't care about.

Donald Trump has said terribly vulgar things about women, he's demonized muslims, he's built his campaign on the backs of pushing out minority groups, and his own campaign has endorsed voter suppression.

On top of all of that, Trump has hitched his wagon to Mike Pence. The religious right's conservative crusader. As someone who is LGBT, I probably would've overlooked all of the shit I just said about Trump and voted for him, because I really dislike Hillary Clinton, and I was pretty pissed with the DNC's handling of the primary. But because of Mike Pence, HELL NO. Not a chance in hell would I vote for someone like him. He has tried to shit all over LGBT people at every turn and has said that he and Trump would appoint justices to the supreme court that would overturn marriage equality. Mike Pence scares me ten times more than Donald Trump. Especially given the fact that Donald offered his VP choice the chance to be in charge of "domestic and foreign policy." While Donald spends his time "making america great again" Whatever the hell that means.

All in all, I would say my decision is not one made based on anyone else's opinion of him. My decision was made on my own moral barometer. I know full well what a Trump/Pence ticket could do to the rights of LGBT Americans, and for that reason I'll vote for the candidate that won't shit on the rights of LGBT people. All in all, it wasn't a hard decision.

[–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I wasn't referring to the comments, I was referring to the votes.

[–]War_Daddy 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

The comments there. Christ. I have cancer now.

I wasn't referring to the comments

http://i.imgur.com/77ng4On.png

[–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

My comment about CTR was directed to the part about there being 50% upvotes. That wasn't clear in my comment.

[–]War_Daddy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is CTR paying you to make Trump supporters look bad with this incredibly clumsy backtrack?!? Spit it out!!

[–]ttstte 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

I love how a million plus redditors are eating off the same million dollars from ctr. Literally half of reddit is being paid by Hillary. Shameful.

[–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

Bot accounts are a thing. There are multiple sites that sell accounts with varying prices depending on how old the account is and how many trophies it has.

This is a widely known fact and I don't know what you're trying to argue.

[–]Siruzaemon-Dearo -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

hi im a shill. I get paid 6.50 an hour to upvote content on /r/hillaryclinton . AMA

its a nice work environment. We call ourselves a basket of adorables

[–]ttstte -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

i dont deny they exist.

would you say hillary has more spam bots than trump?

do you have any actual info to back up your strong opinion or are you just 'shooting from the gut'?

[–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Considering Hillary has a super PAC dedicated to it I'd say it's more than a possibility. The donors to the PAC themselves are people who have profited off the '08 crisis.

And I'm pretty sure all of Trump's spam bots are by his supporters, not the campaign itself. The difference is Clinton actively meets with her SuperPACs(in violation of election law).

And yes, the ~80,000 emails wikileaks has released so far.

[–]ttstte -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

omg lok her up! lol just kidding, i cant wait til pedo trump is in rags.

all of your arguments are conjecture.

[–]newaccount 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Their conspiracies about Hillary being a satanist or running a child-sex ring almost want me to upvote the posts so that more people see their insanity.

How is that like cancer? That is literally what the donald have been saying the last few days. Thats not correct the record, it's the observation of anyone who isn't a trump shill.

[–]Dalroc 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not just /r/The_Donald. There is also former Navy Seal and founder of Blackwater, Erik Prince, and former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, Steve Pieczenik, who served under 4 different presidents both Democrats and Republicans. (Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush senior)

Not saying this makes it true, but it is not just crazy people like Alex Jones talking about this stuff right now.

It is also dishonest to dismiss everything that /r/The_Donald is digging up because some of it is nutty.

[–]newaccount 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

it is not just crazy people

It's people with agendas, who have put more importance in furthering those agendas then being truthful or rational. That pretty much makes them as relevant as a crazy person.

It certainly does not make it "cancer" to point out the laughably insane lengths they will go to to further their agendas.

It is not in any way dishonest to dismiss a source that has proven time and time again that it is dishonest. Did you hear about the gunman at Trump rally today? 2 of the top 4 posts in the donald talk about the Trump "attacker".

TRUMP WASN'T ATTACKED. Fact. It is 100% bullshit to suggest he was. A total bald faced lie.

The place lies. It is certainly not dishonest to dismiss it as a place that wilfully promotes bullshit. You are an idiot if you think otherwise.

[–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

running a child-sex ring

She did support a trafficker, it's all in the emails.

Just like her campaign manager's 'spirit cooking'.

[–]GirlNumber20 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

She did support a trafficker, it's all in the emails.

The Secretary of State, and the State Department, are required to get involved when U.S. citizens are in trouble abroad:

Just like her campaign manager's 'spirit cooking'.

John Podesta's brother forwarded him an email invitation to a dinner at an artist's house. There is no evidence he went to that dinner; in fact, he did not even respond to the email.

Oooh, I guess pointing out facts makes me a shill. Fine, whatever. This response isn't for you, since I won't be able to convince you of anything. It's for other people reading this comment chain.

[–]newaccount -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Did she run a child sex ring?

Is she a satanist?

No?

Ok, then. You are literally complaining about a truthful comment.

[–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

I've only seen the comment saying that she wasn't not anyone actually calling her that.

Besides Podesta may actually be involved in a child sex ring, only an idiot makes conclusions without looking at the evidence.

[–]newaccount -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

You seem to not have read my last comment, but replied anyway. I'll repeat it:

Did she run a child sex ring?

Is she a satanist?

No?

Ok then, You are literally complaining about a truthful comment.

You are literally calling the truth "cancer". What is wrong with you?

Maybe you should ask yourself why are you even entertaining something that is so obviously bullshit? That's what the adults in the room are asking. "Why would someone chose to be like that?".

[–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Maybe you should ask yourself why are you even entertaining something that is so obviously bullshit? That's what the adults in the room are asking. "Why would someone chose to be like that?".

Okay Mr. Adult, do explain to my lowly self why it is so obviously bullshit.

[–]newaccount 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why would you chose to be like this?

Serious question. Are you getting paid to shill?

[–]PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't even support a side in this election.

[–]newaccount 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes you do.

Seriously: why would you label comments pointing out the absurdity of claiming the rival candidate is a satanist and the head of a child sex ring as "cancer". Why would you make the choice to be like that?

[–]Alloysius 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Christ, you weren't kidding.

I haven't been on /r/politics in a long time, but that's pretty mental.

[–]the_boner_owner 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, fuck the admins. Their manipulation of upvotes/downvotes of certain content is so blatant at this point it's almost comical. r/hillaryclinton has never had a post with anywhere near the amount of upvotes or comments that that post has. CTR is clearly sending people in to upvote the content and make misleading comments.

[–]Pannra 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was wondering how the hell a post from that sub hit r/all. Reddit admins are dirty as fuck.

[–]Duke0fWellington 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol that post has 5 times more upvotes than the Darth Jar Jar one. Totally not manipulating votes!

[–]torik0 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

300,000 votes what the fuck they're not even trying to conceal this

[–]FireHazard11 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

Where are you getting a million votes from? As of right now, there are currently 328,651 total votes with 51% of them being upvotes. So 167000 people upvoted it, and just under that many downvoted it.

[–]Okymyo 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

It was previously 50%, so, since it's rounded, it'd be at most 50.499% upvotes. I guess that's where the figure is from.

[–]FireHazard11 -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

What? How the fuck do you change 160,000 votes to 1,000,000 votes by changing the upvote percentage by less than a single point? OP claims that a million people voted on that post, despite the numbers only showing 328,000. Is there another source for the million votes besides their ass?

[–]Okymyo 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because that's how numbers work.

Assuming that

T = U + D
S = U - D
U% = U/T = U/(U + D)

And plugging in the values:

T = U + D
6631 = U - D
0.5049 = U/(U + D)

Then plugging it into anything that can solve systems of equations will give you the following:

U = 341,632; D = 335,001; T = 676,633

Change it to 0.5025 percentage, and it's T = 1,326,200 (doubled, with 0.25% change).

EDIT: Change it to 0.05001 (add as many zeroes as you want) and you've changed the result by less than 1%, but there are now more votes than people, galaxies, atoms, or particles, depending on how many zeroes you put in.

[–]FireHazard11 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

That... that is not even remotely close to how reddit works.

Reddit gives us the total number of vote to start with, and there are 328,000 votes TOTAL. That is the grand total number of people who either voted up or down. Of those 328,000 people, 51% of them voted up. So that's around 167,000 people who upvoted. The rest are downvoters.

The score that reddit displays is a heavily processd number that is used to calculate the posts hotness. Any math you do that uses the post score is automatically flawed because it doesn't mean a whole lot once a post gets any kind of popularity.

So unless you have anything else, the number OP used is complete bullshit.

[–]Dalroc 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

The guy isn't defending OPs assumption, he's simply replying to your question. Why are you so hostile?

[–]FireHazard11 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why are you so hostile?

Too much time spent reading /r/conspiracy's twisted logic.

[–]Dalroc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what /r/conspiracy is for dude.. To play with ideas of conspiracies. If you don't like it, don't go there?

Jesus christ dude.

[–]Okymyo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was going by the assumptions OP made. You asked where OP got the number from, and I told you, no idea why you're telling me that. There are other comments explaining how the reddit vote totals work, but you asked about OP's number, so I told you how OP got to that number.

And also, even the 328k number looks completely fake. Unless, of course, a post on /r/hillaryclinton, which has 34k subscribers, managed to get 350k votes.

The top 3 posts (all time) from /r/all combined reach 200k votes. The top 10 posts (all time) from /r/The_Donald combined reach 120k votes. The top 10 posts (all time) from /r/HillaryClinton (excluding that one) reach 25k.

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[–]lollilllolllollol 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

50% OF 10,000 IS 5000

50% OF 1,000,000 is 500,000

JESUS FUCK

[–]Dalroc 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

A thread with 49% upvoted ends up on 0 points. The points that are shown are not just all the upvotes, it's a score that is calculated through a secret formula.

OP assumes that Score = Upvotes - Downvotes which makes sense, but it is a simplistic guess that isn't correct.

[–]siRao5ac 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Epic.

[–]MauiWanderer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

actually you can clearly see the overall vote count on the hillary post is a total of 332k votes

the top 5 of all time are 40-70k votes.

i think this is evidence of the ctr and donald bots sending the algorithm out of control, at this point both camps probably have bots writing bots to manipulate anything that hits high enough on all

and as far as doing math, a score of 5k upvotes, with a 50% rating, is a lot more than 10,000 overall votes because each downvote costs an upvote point

ill use a post from a smaller sub to illustrate https://www.reddit.com/r/Bowling/comments/5b8p1j/picture_with_one_of_the_greatest_and_my_childhood/

18 up points, 24 overall votes, its 88% positive though, not 75%

[–]Ldeezy -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it news to you that r/The_Donald users can't do math? Lol

[–]Iloveit1988 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This site used to be so nice. I don't k ow why I still frequent this shit place. The admins have turned it into a corrupt hivemind of biased fools straight from an Orwellian fantasy.

[–]ambivilant -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

OP, maybe don't link directly to it. They want to get us for brigading. It might be best to host reference it without a straight link.

[–]SoldMySoulToReddit 20ポイント21ポイント  (8子コメント)

It's a np. link, that's far better than ShitRedditSays does without any punishment.

[–]ambivilant 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oops, thought this was T_D. They're under strict orders not to link anywhere. It's OK for every other sub though...

[–]Ferfrendongles 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but we're dealing with people with agendas, not good people enforcing rules because they're necessary.

[–]adeadhead/r/pics mod 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

What. No one's trying to get undelete shut down. Did you think you were in /r/the_donald?

[–]bong_ripz_4_jesus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That thread has 1039 removed comments.

[–]liminalentropy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try refreshing the page and keep an eye on the sidebar. Total no of votes is rapidly fluctuating.

[–]Nevera_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude she is such a negative influence on so many yhings it blows my mind how she can stick her greedy icewitch fingers in everyone elses cool shit.

[–]ModeratorsAreDouches 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Clinton backers vote rigging? So, what else is new?

[–]XFX_Samsung 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everything is biased towards Crooked in this election, and lots of people see right through it and yet you still see gullible people supporting her with the force of a thousands suns lol. Don't they ask themselves that when one candidate is praised SO much by the media that maybe there is something more to it... ?

[–]griffmic88 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can confirm..was up at like 2 am and saw 140 comment post that had like 5k upvotes....how does that happen?

[–]Gamiac 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it about time to add /r/undelete to the Trump spam filter? I'm thinking it is.

[–]SuperConductiveRabbiundelete MVP 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

FYI, this thread was briefly deleted and then reinstated around position 145 on /r/all. https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/5bhg5b/1451444171_reddit_admins_voterigged_a/

At the moment it's unclear why.

[–]doihavemakeanewword 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are piles of posts on r/the_donald that do exactly the same. Stop trying to spin this.

[–]AviAdii -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow the propaganda is insane! This is why Trump needs to be prez

[–]Lauren_of_Lore -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

"my unpopular opinion is being bashed, the system must be rigged against me!"

This is all Trump and his followers can say anymore at this point. Maybe your ideas are just that unpopular?

[–]allthingsfree 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Numbers don't lie. If your premise were true the voting numbers would indicate that. OP's point, which seems to have wooshed over your head, is that the post voting statistics do not support the post voting status, hence concern of manipulation.

[–]Nick246 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wut m8?

[–]ojzoh -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't wait for all these retarded trumpets to fuck off this site.