After all these years of people asking about Project Elanor, Tentmoot, and the internal workings of Bit of Earth, I assumed that’s what people want to hear about. But the response I’ve gotten, both in the comments of Questions and Answers and privately, seems to indicate that people are less interested in those aspects of the scandal these days. This is fine with me, as I realize more and more that is a post best left for after Jeanine and I have a chance to talk about what went down. I think I don’t know as much about what went down as I think I do.

I do not think this means what you think this means.
That being the case, I definitely want to answer some of the questions I’ve gotten already, both because they are very important and because they fit so nicely with my last post. It’s a serious subject, but don’t worry, I have enough F-bombs and LOLcats to make it entertaining.

See what I did there?
What do you think makes a person vulnerable to manipulation by someone like Jordan/Andy?
I am not changing my position that Jordan/Andy was a cult leader, as gaining more followers/believers was always his goal. However, on a one-on-one basis it is easier to classify what he does as domestic abuse. Jordan/Andy’s behavior fits within the definition of domestic abuse: “…a pattern of assaultive and coercive behaviors, including physical, sexual, and psychological attacks, as well as economic coercion, that adults or adolescents use against their intimate partners.” (Anne L. Ganley, PhD). Granted, Jordan/Andy wasn’t a physical abuser per se, but he certainly fit all other criteria, and there was enough threat of physical violence that it kept us in fear.
The thing about the “supernatural” angle of Jordan/Andy’s abuse, the way he got me to believe such fantastical claims? Part of that is just an extension of how abusers change the thinking of their victims. All abusers must convince their victims to believe things that aren’t true (i.e., that it is ok for the abuser to abuse the victim). So any resource regarding domestic abuse and how to recognize it is helpful. Honestly, that’s just good information for anyone to have; it’s sad but true that every one of us probably knows at least one person (and no, they aren’t all females) who is being abused. Understanding what they’re going through can only be a good thing.

Huh, maybe I am telepathic after all; I know what just went through your head.
Beyond this, looking at who joins cults is also important, as are resources about cults. There are lots of risk factors, but here’s a good list, taken from this site:
- A desire to belong
- Unassertiveness (the inability to say no or express criticism or doubt)
- Gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks, and so forth)
- Low tolerance for ambiguity (need for absolute answers, impatience to obtain answers)
- Cultural disillusionment (alienation, dissatisfaction with the status quo)
- Idealism
- Susceptibility to trance-like states (in some cases, perhaps, due to prior hallucinogenic drug experiences)
- A lack of self-confidence
- A desire for spiritual meaning
- Ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals

Pretty much.
Another useful list of bullets comes from here, this more about recognizing the behavior of the cult itself:
- A centralized form of leadership that rules with unquestioned authority
- A body of convictions, beliefs, and practices set forth boldly as “the truth”
- A compelling presentation of the group vision to prospects that is inviting and challenging
- A series of manipulative socializing sessions to instill psychological dependence on the group
- A definable process of group dynamics used to unethically control and manipulate members
- A history of abuses of authority by group leaders freely using deception and fear tactics
- A history of psychological and spiritual abuses of group members that destroy lives

Pic unrelated.
Earlier on, were you ever able to step back and say to yourself ‘I don’t know about this’?
Definitely. There were lots of things early on that seemed off. Moments where I knew things were fishy and chose to look away. A perfect example of this came very early on, when Amy was dating “The Aussie” (and pretending to be from Sheffield, England). I don’t remember why I was chatting with him, but I commented about “our English friend.” He said, “What? [He’s] not from England…” I remember that moment clearly; maybe it was kind of a turning point for me. I had great misgivings right then, and I remember deciding that I didn’t care, because at least I was feeling something.

LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LOGIC
Later, there was a lot of retconning; it was Amy who was a liar; Jordan, who was a different person entirely, was being honest. Later, when he did another “core switch,” it became Jordan who was incompetent and bad and screwed things up; Andy, who was a different person entirely, was being honest. It’s an interesting subtopic: how the old “core” was badmouthed after the fact, but let’s not stray too far.

All of the cores were rotten in retrospect.
Were all of his machinations to get attention from Famous People? If not, then what?
Yes and no. Early on a lot of them revolved around one way or another getting in touch with famous people, but mostly that was a tool to get people to like or trust them. I guess he figured out early on that people with “Hollywood insider” knowledge could write their own ticket in Fandom, and that’s where he operates. Since insider knowledge is practically currency on Hollywood Boulevard he sometimes claimed ties to celebrities, but never actually tried to contact them. Most of the rest of his “schemes” appeared to actually be to benefit others; to help someone get a really good costume on the street, to get someone into an apartment, etc. It’s just that his motivation always had a dark side; somehow he’d always end up either with someone “owing him” a favor or, with any luck, joining his “inner circle.”

The inner circle gets full-on Snuggies
You’ve mentioned ‘Others’. What, exactly were they?
Jordan claimed he could “channel” people, hobbits, elves, time travelers; I’ve talked about that part. What he actually did was 24/7 LARPing; he fully “became” that other. Spoke with a different accent, wrote with different handwriting, had different mannerisms; full on characters that he acted out. He’s very talented, although that creepy something about him prevents him from working as an actor. You have to work up to that level of intensity. He switched between them by closing his eyes and sort of jerking, just like every medium in every movie ever about mediums.
A couple of times, I’ve read that when things finally caught up with Jordan/Andy, he has a total meltdown. Do you have any idea what he is trying to accomplish when that happens, as in, what will a meltdown solve?
The meltdowns are exactly what they look like: tantrums. When his house of cards falls, he completely loses his shit. Given the rigid control he puts on himself to maintain all the different Others and their backstories. I mean, by the end, I actually had a PDA that I kept track of all of them with. There were 167 when I left. The meltdowns are the polar opposite of that much control, and the accomplish absolutely nothing.
Kind of like this, but less useful and far less cute.
I’m not including in that the kinds of fits the “others” would have. There were plenty of different screaming/crying freak-out fits, but those meltdowns were for specific dramatic or emotional effect, usually to make the story more dramatic or to force us to “fix” the problem. Or to punish us.

Not cute, though. At all.
I guess what I’m trying to ask is: did the Players figure into this whole story before you, Jordan and your mother wound up staying with them? How?
As someone pointed out in the comments, it is not my place to speak for a family that has not chosen to come forward. My mother and the Players became friends when both of their children were effectively runaways. This was such a strange experience that they only really had each other to sympathize. I will absolutely speak out to defend them against the horrible accusations Jordan/Andy made in all his incarnations. They are not abusers, pimps, religious fanatics, thieves, members of the IRA or anything else. They’re just a family that has one fairly normal child and one with terrible mental illness, and they have suffered more than anyone else because of his lies and manipulation. Also, before anyone asks, I will not be discussing the Players opinion of Jordan/Andy’s gender identity. Don’t bother, that’s nobody’s business but theirs.

Mustn't ask, not its business.
So. There we are. New questions can be added to this post.

I wish the old Batman show was on DVD


Well, Abbey and I discussed this in private. I refuse to use the name “Andy,” even after Abbey has assured me that this was a legal name change. Why: Because the name change was done for purposes of fraud and deception. Had the state of California been aware of the circumstances surrounding this name change request, I’m quite sure they wouldn’t have granted it.
However, I see the argument that This Person is successfully manipulating all references to the name “Amy Player” or female pronouns in order to generate sympathy and/or support. Although if said person DIDN’T have the transgender issue to fall back on, said person would certainly find some other chain to pull. It’s what Said Person is best at.
Ugh. How about this: No more pronouns of either gender when I refer to Said Person here on your blog, and I’ll even concede on the name “Andy”–but it has to be in quotes. That acknowledges the fact that “Andy” has multiple noms de plume, and has harmed many other people while in the guise of other names and identities. I could even throw quotes around the name “Amy” if it will make that policy seem more fair. Is that acceptable, Abbey?
I think we have reached a fair agreement. As people still use other names for him, quotes around “Andy” is acceptable in my opinion. Thanks for meeting me on this.
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Abbey, I wait with interest for more of your posts. I feel like I have so many questions to ask you, I don’t even know where to begin. I’m sure people want to hear about BoE, but it’s such a tangled web, I’m betting most other folks don’t know where to begin either.
It’s like trying to eat an elephant with a grapefruit spoon.
Maybe we can start here: The most personal insult from BoE/Tentmoot for ME was the bit with Air New Zealand and the celebrity airfares. I’d like to know what your perception was of that whole bit. What did “Jordan” tell you regarding the plans/finances for bringing all those Kiwis across the Pacific Ocean? Were you told, for example, that tickets to Tentmoot were selling like hotcakes and there was plenty of money to spend on bringing celebrities to the event? When everything crashed, what story did “Jordan” give you, explaining why there was “suddenly” no airfare?
Jed and Tall Paul both told me (over the phone) that I was blamed for the whole thing, but they didn’t give me any details. Can you share the story that they heard?
What an icebreaker, huh? But it’s as good a place to start as any.
BTW: I saw your request not to use “scare quotes.” I hope we can compromise on this. I’m willing to avoid using any pronouns in my postings here, in order to avoid Genderwank. But I hope you will be ok with using quotes around any name other than Amy Player, when I identify this person. All of Amy’s aliases represent an attempt to conceal Amy’s identity and as such, they have nothing to do with gender–whether “Jordan Wood,” “Andy Blake,” or “Victoria Bitter,” the intent to deceive is exactly the same.
Jeanine, I really do understand your reasoning. And I see your point. Please try to see mine. From the inside, when I was with Andy (which is his legal name now, which makes more sense to use and I am going to use it from here on out), the refusal to use the masculine pronouns and name was a huge motivator to stay with him. He used it directly and outright, getting me to lie for him, to reinforce his gender identity, using it as a lever to keep me with him. It really, truly kept me with him, kept other people with him, and I believe still keeps people with him. He hangs all of his charm on it, and it is the cornerstone of his arguments against anything you (or other dissenters) say.
He is using it even now. He put this on his tumblr recently; I am going to quote him at the end of this comment. This is why people stay with him and defend him.
I know you’re feelings in this are very, very strong. And no, I don’t think you’re transphobic. At all. I never did, actually. But because so many trans people have pleaded with you to stop, it really gives him fuel. I want this to be a safe place for anyone he’s hurt: past, present or future. I want his followers, the people who love him – because we did love him, they do honestly love him, as much as they need him – to read this and hear me, hopefully saying things that Andy can’t “bring” someone to explain away.
Therefore, if you are going to post on my blog, I request that you use he and Andy in reference to him. If you cannot bring yourself to use he without the quotes and only use Andy, fine.
Here, in Andy’s own words, is emotional manipulation designed to keep people loving him and defending him. Especially since, as it appears he is carrying the same mythos into his new following, the person currently living in the body that is legally named Andrew Michael Blake is NOT the same person who ripped you off and took me for a hell of a ride. They really do believe he’s a different “soul” in that body. Think of that as you read what he wrote; that he is saying “I was always male because I didn’t always live in this body.”
“1. It says more about them than it does about me that it matters to them. I’m male. My name is Andrew. The appropriate pronouns are him, he, and his. If you’re all worked up about what’s in my pants, or if you have decided to use feminine pronouns to try to “punish” me by “rejecting” or “refusing” my “gender identity,” (and oh, what a glorious pile of misogyny is THAT idea that gender, particularly womanhood, is a PUNISHMENT) that’s your problem, because I’m not having sex with you so it’s not your business, and you need to look damned hard at yourself about why it would matter so much to you if I had a vagina at some point in my life. ”
Rest of his bombastic speech here.
Andrew’s recent tumblr post is very disturbing and irritating. I’ve seen this so much from Andrew and supporters: co-opting the gender issue to look as though he’s the victim, to distract from reasonable questions about his truthfulness.
In the end that isn’t the point, though. I think Abbey’s right: anything that can be twisted to get sympathy for him makes it harder for people to get free of him. His gender identity isn’t the point, when you get right down to it. It’s a distraction.
Abbey, your story is simultaneously amazing and horrifying. I’m here because of my friendship with one of Jordan/Andy’s victims from the Harry Potter fandom. I’m very curious if any of Jordan/Andy’s current tropes (if you will) were present when you knew him – specifically, the obsession with being Irish and the evil twin story. I wonder if the DAYDians who stick with him really believe all that, when it’s so transparently false, and easy to disprove (he was with the IRA when he was what, 6 years old?).
Also, if you haven’t read this story, you should. Another master manipulator who continues to rip off and abuse people to this day: http://www.laweekly.com/2007-10-11/news/the-life-and-death-of-jesse-james/
Thank you for sharing your life. Speaking out is the only way to prevent other people from falling for his lies.
Thanks for that link — I’ve heard this woman’s name in connection with a couple of other similar cons. Many similarities to a person of our mutual acquaintance; her motivation seemed to be nothing more (or less) than complete emotional control over another person, sending them on the excrutiating, destructive roller coast so she could watch. Ugh.
Roller coastER — lord, I can’t type this morning!
Could this be her?
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-04-25/news/ct-met-suburban-hoax-20110425_1_tiny-bit-rubber-duck-firefighter
Nope! That’s Jenna St. James Priggie, and she has a thirty-year backstory of being almost the exact same kind of fuckstain abuser as Jordan/Andy is. Check out her victim’s blog at http://pieceofcakey.blogspot.com. I actually just found out about her myself and sent “Audrey” (the victim’s pseudonym) an email. I will be watching news about this lawsuit, though. I am not without hope that it will set precedents that might help myself and others have recourse against Thanfiction. Keep watching…
Thanks for the link. The story, while bizarre, was all too familiar.
A chillingly similar story happened to one of my very good internet friends a few years ago. So many of the little details are so similar I would swear it was the same perpetrator if I didn’t know for sure what she actually looked like and what her for sure in real life name turned out to be.
What amazes me is that it happens so OFTEN!
Now, my little group of internet buddies all joke that you are not considered really real until we’ve video chatted and at least one other person in the group has seen you in person and can verify that you are who you say you are.😛 It’s just a joke, of course. Sort of. :p
Late replying to this, but thanks for the link. Holy. Shit. Scarily like Andy. I’ve been devouring the entire story.
Hi, Abbey –
I found your blog via Turimel’s LJ and I’ve been tunneling through. First, I must tell you how much I admire that you’ve told your story publicly like this. The thing that has always bothered me about the Andy supporters or sympathizers who want to sweep the past under the rug and give him a new start (again and again and again) is that they are leaving innocent people vulnerable to hurtful and harmful mindfucks. So mad props to you for posting this where it can be found if anyone has a moment of doubt and access to Google.
Regarding this entry: I think in some of your other posts you mention that you have some background in psychology. Were you familiar with the signs of abuse, or the characteristics of those likely to be victimized by a cult? If so, did you ever have moments where you wondered if you were being victimized?
Hi Abbey,
It’s chilling to see, neatly spelled out, the patterns of domestic abuse and cult behavior with regard to Jordan/Andy, particularly in light of Andy’s domestic abuse awareness “charity.” You’ve painted (I think) a more complete and more accurate picture of the kind of dangerous person that Than can be: not nearly a conman so much as an emotional/psychological hostage-taker, and not nearly a money-hungry criminal so much as a cult leader who feeds on others’ devotion to him.
As I’m sure you know, a number of DAYDians stuck with Than even after the Great Wank of 09 and his short-lived departure from fannish things. I’m not sure how many are left now or what he’s currently telling them about himself (though I AM aware that he’s actively “recruiting” people to “his” fandom again) but I know from keeping an eye on the “charity” hike diary and a few other people’s blogs that some of the old faces are still around and still sticking to him as close as ever.
Among those long-term friends/followers, there are those who like him for who he is *now* and frankly don’t care about whoever he may have been or whatever he may have done in the past (see Ceirdwenfc’s post on the wank)… but then there’s a minority who, if they thought it would earn them a bit more of his attention, would drink Than’s Kool-Aid if he handed it to them in a cup with a skull and crossbones on the side. Psychotic twin sister, ex-IRA soldier, and all.
I knew several people involved in the DAYD community before Thanfiction was revealed as VB/JW/AP (and even one or two who are still around), and it definitely seemed to me like Than was working this DAYD group (cult?) by the same playbook he was using back when you knew him: establishing his place as the “Fearless Leader” and “Commander” over all of the other “ranks.” Claiming supernatural awareness and abilities, right down to “channeling” other people/characters. Blurring the lines between who was real and who was fictional. Urging young people (esp. girls/women) to work through their demons until they “suddenly remembered” long-repressed memories of horrific abuse. Meddling in marriages. Getting so involved in the sufferings of a select few followers that they had/have become clearly emotionally dependent on him…
If you, speaking as someone who’s been dragged to Hell and back in much the same way, could address these DAYDians directly, what would you say to them? *Is* there anything to say? Or do those who are the most involved need to hit their own rock bottom before they stand a chance at truly hearing? What about Than/Andy? Is he bound to keep these same patterns going indefinitely, or is there a way for him to break out of it and spare himself and those who would be his friends? I know it’s not really my place, but whenever I think about him and his group, I’m overcome by how much of a shame this whole thing is: a brilliant, talented and, I’d like to think, kind individual relying on manipulation and lies to ensnare other good people. I’d like to believe that there’s a way to break the cycle, whether through therapy, time, or anything else, but when you see how similar the cycle’s been from VB to Jordan to Than…
Thank you so much for taking the time and the (great deal of) emotional energy to write all of this out. You’re a wonderful writer, and your blog is such an enlightening read.
Mags, your comment chills me to the bone. I suspected and believed he was doing the exact same things in the DAYDverse, but now having actual confirmation (channeling, blurring the line, the marriages – and I haven’t even written about him playing cupid yet or Jordan/Andy’s baby obsession) makes me feel ill.
Speaking of feeling ill, I’ve got a lovely pre-Thanksgiving cold, so it might take me a couple of days to get to this comment. But I will. Oh, I will.
Playing cupid and an obsession with babies? Yeap, sounds like Thanfiction!
Like I said, I’m not sure exactly how the Crazy Train is moving through the DAYDverse these days (though I’m positive we all know who’s conducting it) but can tell you with 100% certainty that right around when the wank started two years ago, Than and his most hardcore followers were possibly out of their minds and *completely* out of hand. (Like… out of hand in ways that made me consider breaking my hands-off policy and contacting the police at one point regarding a minor.) But then again… if you read about the crazy twin sister and the prayer circles to prevent the Undead Shaman Wizard from spiritually eating someone’s children, you probably already guessed that things were ugly.
As someone who was peripherally involved with the DAYDverse and someone with friends who were *much* more than peripherally involved, I’m SO looking forward to your take on this question. But only when you’re better! Get well soon, and enjoy Thanksgiving with your beautiful family!
Oh, yeah, DEFINITELY playing cupid. Don’t EVEN get me started. Fuck that bitch. Sorry – totally hit a sore spot. But for any DAYDians out there, beware! Andy is NOT interested in your happiness so much as expanding her base. Grrr. Yeah, this is something that I will be addressing in my LJ eventually. notadiamond if anyone’s interested.
Everytime I finish reading one of your posts, I end up thinking how easily I could have ( and sometimes still could be ) sucked into something like this. Depression leaves one so debilitated and so hungry for meaning and feeling and intimate contact, and I don’t mean of the sexual variety. And it’s counterpart, anxiety, also leaves one vulnerable, looking for someone or something to calm the madding storm in your head.
I don’t know how I’ve been so lucky to avoid either a seriously abusive relationship or a trip down a cultish rabbit hole. There but for the grace of something?? go I and probably many others who struggle with depression and anxiety.
So easy to stumble and so easy for the wrong person to be there to catch you when it happens!
I half wish people were taught the warning signs of abuse in school. The half of me that is glad they don’t is that they’ll give tips and a “head’s up” to the abusers. After this, followed by another psychologically abusive relationship, I’ve been studying up on the warning signs.
That should say “The half of me that is glad they don’t teach it in school is afraid that they’ll give tips and a “head’s up” to the abusers.” Oy.
I agree with QR’s comment. When I finally got honest with myself and looked back I could see easily that I’d made the choice to look away, in order to continue something I thought I wanted. The good news about surviving that ordeal is that I know now. I don’t anybody’s word over my own.
This is so creepy and awful and sad and disturbing. It’s like you escaped a multi-car pileup that took the back end of the car, but you’re somehow still rolling. I don’t know how you survived, and how you are as healthy as you are. I can’t help thinking about the people he’s roped in now, especially the ones he’s living with. I can’t help thinking of poor Brittany.
You’re a wonderful writer, Abbey. I know there’s a lot more to your story and I’m looking forward to reading it, whatever parts of it you decide to share. Keep on swimming…
Just keep swimming! Just keep swimming! Just keep swimming!
I looooove that movie.
Dory’s my favorite. 🙂
I agree re the Batman show. Some philanthropist did upload all the eps to youtube.
I sympathize with you about the little red flags early on that you chose not to pay attention to. I haven’t had an experience as bad as yours with Jordan, but I have been in a few friendships and love affairs that were not entirely healthy. And there were things early on that should have warned me, or bad behavior that I shouldn’t have put up with, but I was lonely and so I stuck it out. I’m just saying this because it’s always good to know you’re not the only one who made the same mistake.