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[–]zonkobonko[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (4子コメント)

Friendly reminder this is not a political subreddit. We'll allow this post for now because the topic is of some interest to our community, but if the comments become political bickering, propaganda, trolling, or anything not contributing to discussion, then we may have to delete some posts.

Thanks guys, I believe in most of this sub to stay civil, but I can't speak for the rest of reddit, depending on how much this blows up.

[–]VictrolaFirecracker 63ポイント64ポイント  (22子コメント)

And, this is how Satanic panic starts. not again please

[–]usagizero 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, i lived through the last one, no thank you to another one.

[–]VoxUnder 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did it ever really end though? I feel like it just merged with the paranoid conspiracy crowd and now there's a whole rash of videos on youtube talking about how pop stars are secretly worshiping Satan and somehow encouraged by the Illuminati to do so. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDkx_fLcuD4

[–]modern_quill 3ポイント4ポイント  (15子コメント)

Right? This is not what I need in my life. You would think that people would have a better understanding of what Satanism is and what Satanism is not by now.

[–]KebabMarley 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

Well if you are a chaote, a person proclaiming to be a Satanist doing a ritual with a number the participants associate with Satanism is evoking "satan"

[–]modern_quill 6ポイント7ポイント  (12子コメント)

Words have meanings. A Satanist is a person that lives their life in the manner that was codified by Anton LaVey in The Satanic Bible.

[–]KebabMarley 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

Sure. But just like people can have Christ in their belief system and spend most of their time murdering each other because they disagree, this is satanic according to the mainstream Christian lexicon which the majority of Americans use.

I agree with you. It's like Crowley's "you can call me little miss sunshine" quote

[–]modern_quill 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

Which is my point. The Satanic Panic happened because people are collectively stupid and don't bother to actually figure out what the hell Satanism is before they fly off the handle with whipping the herd mentality of public opinion into a frenzy about it.

[–]Thementalrapist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm less disturbed by lavey satanists than I am with other things and I'm a Christian.

[–]Whatupkiller1 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why do you care

[–]modern_quill 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because I'm a Satanist and a member of the Church of Satan. America doesn't need more witch hunts.

[–]Whatupkiller1 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

why are you actively member of a group which hold so much negative connotation to it? (whether it's deserved or not does not matter). That's like asking for negative energy.

[–]modern_quill 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's a great question! It isn't my fault if people don't educate themselves about things; at least I know the truth of it. It's not really that I care what people think about me so long as they aren't going out of their way to cause me and mine harm, as the uneducated herds try to do. And besides, there's no requirement to actually join the Church of Satan for one to identify as a Satanist, but the Church of Satan stands as a sort of mutual admiration society to those that count themselves amongst its members. I have a lot of social circles that are imposed upon me in my life for one reason or another, but the friends that I've made in the Church of Satan are a social circle that I've chosen for myself and as an Active member (rather than simply a Registered member) I also contribute to the greater Satanic conversation. Actually, it looks like I will be involved as a regular contributor on a Satanic podcast fairly soon. The Satanic Panic hurt a lot of people that weren't involved in Satanism (or some kind of crazy devil worshiping cults) at all. One example I always like to use is the innocent hippie guy that used to be a camp counselor when I was younger that got fired for teaching us kids how to play Dungeons & Dragons. He didn't deserve that.

[–]VoxUnder 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would say that's just one flavor of Satanism, like a "LaVey Satanist", but agree I don’t see what's Satanic about what this performance artist is doing in the video.

[–]Lord_MonkeyFist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

After looking into it more, it doesn't seem satanic at all but it does seem Occultish or at least Chaote.

The book she was promoting at the dinner is filled with recipes using natural fluids in order to evoke certain feelings and thoughts.

[–]Moarbrains 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It won't go the same way. Paganism is far more accepted today.

[–]jimjim404 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good we want more people

[–]Wordwench 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, it's on.

grabs popcorn

[–]Moodook 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

I was over in /r/conspiracy trying to calm the waters. Got "hope the holy spirit gives you salvation" or something like that. I don't post to reddit much at all but I love this sub. Hope we don't get brigaded over this.

[–]Wordwench 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There again, we are the original pitchfork_emporium.

[–]donuthazard 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Me too. I'll bet my "guys this is just an artist" comment gets ignored or downvoted. Geesh.

[–]Moodook 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I frequent over there almost as much as I lurk here. Sad to see them go full blue pill, of all people.

[–]zagbag 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn, this sub is bigger than I thought

[–]DormiensVigila108 20ポイント21ポイント  (11子コメント)

That's performance art. I'd be more interested in hearing about Clinton staff engaging in clandestine ritual magick in abandoned warehouses in front of a Baphomet statue. But if you're doing it right, then there wouldn't be a camera crew.

[–]SkullKraushaar 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's what they say about the Bohemian Grove too. Occultism IS performance art. Every day some schmuck posts here about how the effects of occultism and spirit evocation come entirely from within, and they're highly upvoted and agreed with. We're all using performance art to alter our mental states.

Trying to minimize this is kind of ridiculous, when you're an active participant in a subreddit where we're all engaged in performance art.

[–]DormiensVigila108 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Occultism IS performance art

Occultism CAN BE performance art. This is not Bohemian Grove; this is not a Freemason ceremonial ritual. This isn't even functional Satanism like the Satanic Temple; who uses their performance art to push a political narrative and to change societal norms and legal decisions regarding the separation of church and state. This is a film crew following around a subpar artist trying to make "edgy" art.

We're all using performance art to alter our mental states.

And these are personal subjective experiences; the first rule of witchcraft, occultism, or whatever other label you apply to many of these activities, is secrecy. This is not that. This is a purposeful attempt at being some half-assed Edge-lord. It's a stretch to say that a campaign manager, who went to dinner with some mediocre "artist" who wrote stuff on a white wall in piss and blood, is some sort of Satanic overlord tainting and entire political campaign with his "occultism".

This "artistic" cry for attention is not just bad, it's embarrassing and damaging for those who use occult techniques for personal growth.

[–]Crow23 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you kidding? Abramovic is one of the best and most influential performance artists of all time. She's been doing this stuff since the 70s, she's not some pretentious art school kid.

[–]DormiensVigila108 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

She's been doing this stuff since the 70s, she's not some pretentious art school kid.

Did you watch the linked video?

Just because someone is doing something for a prolonged amount of time doesn't mean that they aren't acting as pretentious edge-lords.

She is a performance artist; her Wiki even describes it as such. The fact that she's been at this for so long just supports the idea that Podesta was in circles with performance artists. Nothing about this entire situation even hints at "Satanism". This is performance art; sure it teeters on the edges of "Acceptable Social Norms", but it's performance art.

[–]Crow23 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know it's performance art, and I know it's not satanic. I just took offense to someone calling such a great artist an "edge-lord". It reeks of that typical Reddit art-bashing by people who haven't taken any time to learn about the things they're trying to criticize.

[–]Lord_MonkeyFist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a film crew following around a subpar artist trying to make "edgy" art.

So what about Psychick Youth then? Is that not related to Occult at all because it was edgey and used film as a medium?

the first rule of witchcraft, occultism, or whatever other label you apply to many of these activities, is secrecy.

That's more of a hold over from being part of a group or knowing when to shut up and not give people a chance to sabotage your workings. Many chaos magicians make their workings public. Porridge's Temple of Psychick Youth, Morrison's The Invisibles, Moore's Promethea, the people who grafitti sigils or runes in public spaces or post them on the internet to be charged, the man industrial bands that use sampling as sigils, it goes on.

I hate to break the news to you, but everyone on this subreddit might be defined as an edgelord by someone else if they saw us doing some rituals which is why we had the rule of secrecy that not everyone abides too.

Yes, it's pretty damaging for us who use occult techniques for personal growth. And your edgey criticism and poor art criticism are correct, but that doesn't rule out occult intentions in the performance.

[–]nemesisfixx -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

i xarho bea im gso muno ef Hugum umw gso tew ef Uyrunevix. I krub gsug bea wio, umw pmed gsug bear wougs xuno fer uyahimt gso derp ef Hugum.

[–]trincyolo[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you are doing the occult magic in the context of art or in a gallery, then it is the art. If you are doing it in different context, in spiritual circles or private house or on TV shows, it is not art.

The email was about a private dinner.

[–]texture 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Held by a famous artist. Google her name.

[–]Wordwench 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The work itself is the context, in the context of her quote.

[–]KebabMarley -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bohemian grove? Have you seen the video?

[–]Enlightenedmint 20ポイント21ポイント  (14子コメント)

So we are going to get brigaded by Trump supporters who are desperately trying to paint some performance art as a satanic ritual?

The video is literally a photo shoot for the artist.

Can't wait for this election to be over.

[–]trincyolo[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (8子コメント)

There is obviously no distinct line between art and magic. Allen Moore, Jodorovsky basically claim them to be the same thing. But this is pretty clearly a magical act. You are seriously missing something if you can't see it.

[–]notfancy 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

What if it is?

[–]trincyolo[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's interesting peeking behind the occult curtain.

[–]Lord_MonkeyFist 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not really a peak behind a curtain if it was at a gallery, Occult art is everywhere. You just have to look for it.

[–]trincyolo[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was a private dinner.

[–]notfancy 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

The thing is, I don't see it in this case. No entities were invoked, none of the expected trappings were shown (gestures, proclamations, formulas, etc.)

[–]nemesisfixx 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How do you normally use sigil magick or proxies for that matter? Or put another way - what do you think the figurines being bathed with blood are for?

[–]notfancy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They weren't named or christened or quickened or their mouths opened… You don't just paint a poppet red and say "magic!" you have to at least write "ameth" on the Golem's brow.

[–]93abraxas 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I thought it was just performance art, but the artist is a self-proclaimed occultist now that I look into it. The ritual being performed is intended as an offering to spirits, so it's being misrepresented in that regard.

[–]IpsissimusBoz 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well I mean, spare was an occultist and an artist, some of his art and ritual is a blurry line some is distinct. So...yeah Idk. I doubt podesta had her over to do occult shit, hes a collector of art. I imagine he had her over for artistic reasons.

[–]93abraxas 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can imagine she hosted a simple dinner party with a tongue-in-cheek reference to that past performance.

[–]IpsissimusBoz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find it funny all these people on the Donald are freaking the fuck out about this while basically doing chaos magick with kek

And that's not even bringing up the right wing August Sol Invictus who is a thelemite, pro trump, and admits publically to killing a goat in ritual :D

Man 2016 has been amazing. And people ask why I work with eris

[–]donuthazard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

meh, after spending many years around artists I can say that, self-proclaimed or not, this feels like a work of artistic expression. And even if it was intended as an offering to spirits there's nothing about them being all Satanic.

[–]Umm_Al_KitaB 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This might be a politically shrewd move to frighten the superstitious, but it is total nonsense and bullshit about nothing.

[–]sacredblasphemies 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

So Podesta went to an art performance... So what?

How is this different from if he attended a Tool concert?

[–]msoc 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Abramovic said

Everything depends on which context you are doing what you are doing. If you are doing the occult magic in the context of art or in a gallery, then it is the art. If you are doing it in different context, in spiritual circles or private house or on TV shows, it is not art. The intention, the context for what is made, and where it is made defines what art is or not.

[–]Hutch2point0 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he attended a tool concert I would want him as president lol

[–]trincyolo[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's pretty different. This is a spirit cooking. It's explicitly occult. Interesting that he's into it.

[–]sacredblasphemies 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

And a Tool concert with Danny Carey drumming rhythms to invoke Enochian angels isn't?

[–]trincyolo[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not really as explicit. That is still interesting to people who just like music. This is a pretty much an act of magic alone. There are no pretty pictures here.

[–]Lord_MonkeyFist 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

So are Jack-O-Lanterns.

FUCK. My whole neighborhood must of been filled with Satanists. They were everywhere last month.

The conspiracy is deeper than we think.

What do we do?

[–]ChildOfComplexity 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Traditionally? Burn some witches.

Or you can always throw some teenagers on death row, or ruin the lives of some kindergarten teachers...

[–]ImmaculateFilth 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

Omg art is so scary and occulty. /s

God damn there's a lot of stupid hanging around here lately. If this is really some evil Satan evocation (it's not) then why hasn't the devil himself popped out the TV when I watch "The Exorcist"? Or listen to a "satanic" band? I've never been possessed before, sounds like fun.

Calling anything that seems spooky to your limited world view "Satanist" is inaccurate. The term has enough definitions between it's self described practitioners, be they Laveyan or theistic.

Yes, art, ritual, music, these things can and do go together, but they don't HAVE TO. Intent is the name of the game. And regardless of the actions or the intent, what spooky magick result happened? Not a damn thing I'd wager, nothing that is relevant to you or I at least. Please, go back to /the_donald and jerk off on another picture of a frog, or whatever you people are doing over there.

[–]ChildOfComplexity 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not strict enough enforcing of the no conspiracy bullshit rule.

[–]MonoIiths -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I've never been possessed before, sounds like fun.

Would you know if you were?

  • regardless of the actions or the intent, what spooky magick result happened?

Smoke cigarettes for 20-30 years and then get back to me; not everything is instant or instantly observable

  • nothing that is relevant to you or I at least. Please, go back to /the_donald and jerk off on another picture of a frog, or whatever you people are doing over there.

Likewise, go back to whatever loose order or philosophy you hail from.

People here are having a serious conversation about things going on in the world; not so much talking about politics.

You better educate yourself

[–]ImmaculateFilth 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Look man, my point is so what if it's an intended magickal ritual? What is it's purpose, and why should we care? This is less of a serious conversation that I'm seeing and more borderline frothing at the mouth, regurgitating Alex Jones and David Icke wackiness. I don't want to talk politics either, but it seems as though this is where this "controversy" comes from. Now conservative subs are blowing up with "devil worship sex magick illuminati whatever" and I think it's ridiculous. And it puts organizations and occult students/scholars/magicians like the OTO, freemasons, etc under a distorted lens by the media, it all gets garbled together into an unintelligible mess.

I have to practice very quietly because nonsense like this makes people terrified of and hostile toward things they don't understand, and it's perpetuated by sensationalist media like this. People are twitchy and panicky enough as it is, being so close to elections.

[–]Purrsader 2ポイント3ポイント  (28子コメント)

I'm guessing its an Eastern ritual, not Western (ie Satantic etc.)

[–]trincyolo[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (27子コメント)

Based on what?

[–]Purrsader 2ポイント3ポイント  (26子コメント)

Body fluids or large amounts of blood are Eastern, or possibly Jewish or African based on the rituals/spells I've read about. It may just be some kind of art too

[–]trincyolo[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (25子コメント)

Body fluids are used in most all magic ritual traditions. She specifically says that in a private setting it is not art.

[–]PureandInnocent 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Milk and semen are big with Moloch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

[–]badasspiggy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hillary herself also half-jokingly referred to sacrificing a chicken to Moloch. It's possible some of the people involved in this Spirit Cooking thing do worship him.

Although, I've also heard conspiracy nutcases claim that the left is worshipping Moloch ever since I was old enough to be interested in politics. They often linked abortion to the sacrifice of children to him. It's kind of an old meme.

[–]Purrsader 1ポイント2ポイント  (22子コメント)

That stuff just isn't common in Western magic, or is borrowed from Eastern magic. The ritual certainly could be real, being on camera or in private doesn't confirm it to be fake or real.

[–]Thementalrapist 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I used to know a girl who said she was a witch, she said sperm and blood were used in certain rituals, I have however taken a shot of breast milk when I was drunk and I'm not into Satan.

[–]Krsnatvam 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

why do I keep hearing about drunk people consuming breast milk. who are you people???

[–]Thementalrapist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude it was a dare. Okay that's a lie, I was hammered and said something to the effect of you pussys think I won't drink that...and I drank it while maintaining eye contact with my wife, side note, it wasn't her breast milk.

[–]trincyolo[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (18子コメント)

But what do you mean real or fake? The ritual was either performed or not.

[–]Purrsader 3ポイント4ポイント  (17子コメント)

People do rituals for fun (like a Halloween party activity) or seemingly in her case, to be an 'edgy' "artist". We don't know if she is really attempting magic unless we read her mind and heart

[–]trincyolo[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (16子コメント)

Read the article. Read her quote. She is pretty explicit.

And I don't really see much of a difference. Fun rituals are sometimes the most dangerous.

[–]Purrsader 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

I read the article and quote, she is absolutely not explicit about being an occultist herself, she only said correctly that a ritual can be such if that is the intent, which anyone can read in a beginner's occult book.

[–]trincyolo[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

It's clearly a magical act. If she intended it to be or not.

[–]GUYoccult 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't you know that Clinton is a blood drinking reptilian Archon foot-solider?

[–]nemesisfixx 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mine's a reaction to the author of this article (who does claim to be a wizard himself), concerning how he's assessed Abramovic's Good Work:

Even if it were mere art (COS's official rituals were claimed to be mere "psychodramas" for example, but check what Aquino said of them in retrospect or the overall impact their work has had on global spiritual culture), it would still be magick - the essence is in making a definite impact on the participants (of which, even those of us watching these workings from screens years later, are taking part in the work still).

Art, makes an impression on the senses. Good Art, not only makes an impression on the senses, it also touches the unconscious (and beyond). Her art (assuming you don't want to acknowledge it as magick), is Good.

Reaction is essential to awakening potential - am African, and our more respectable initiation rituals all involve good doses of shock and horror, for good reasons. Her work would indeed not just disturb, but awaken potential in the audience, in ways they'd not otherwise have had the means to.

To see that she can exhibit black magick work publicly is likewise good - it lessens stigma, and introduces to those who would dare to dig deeper, glimpses into what real practical work is, when the principles are put to use. Her work is much more beneficial to the advancement of the art than watered-down textual descriptions of ritual in some books - it leaves no doubt to those who study it, what the real work ought to be like.

And then again, you wouldn't have expected that all black magicians ought keep their daemons hidden in the closet all the time? Part of the work involves stimulating the masses, and then sending a message to the other side... if the RHP workers exhibit their work and ethos in publicly-televised rituals (check the vatican, mecca, etc), what should stop the dark mages from leveraging exhibitionism as well?

Anyways, interesting topic. Good stuff... Hail Nyamiyonga!

[–]bunbunofdoom 8ポイント9ポイント  (46子コメント)

Spirit cooking =/= Satanic.

[–]usagizero 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Growing up during that last satanic panic, anything that wasn't evangelical christian was satanic, especially anything slightly creepy. I was labeled a satanist in the 80s because i played D&D and then later because i had a mohawk. A friend got harassed out of school to a new school district because she wore red lipstick. Not exaggerating at all here.

[–]bunbunofdoom 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. I am a Satanist. I can relate.

[–]CuckRaper -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]ChildOfComplexity 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/im14andnothingwasdiffrentbeforeiwasborn.

[–]CuckRaper -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea because no one wore red lipstick in the 80s. lol

[–]trincyolo[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (39子コメント)

Here is her twitter handle: https://twitter.com/abramovicm666

You decide.

[–]888JURH888 13ポイント14ポイント  (30子コメント)

Yeah, everyone who identifies with the number 666 is a Satanist. Just like Crowley, right?

[–]bunbunofdoom 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

I am a Satanist. Trust me, like recognizes like. This is not the case here.

[–]MonoIiths 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

True, most of the elite are Luciferians and there is a huge distinction between the two

[–]Wordwench 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think so. Have you really looked at that feed?

[–]Totality-Infinity 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can attend a performance art piece of literally any number of taboo subjects, that doesn't mean you support the message or the content; you're free to interpret it how you wish.

What if the message painted on this wall had been a biblical verse? "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ." (Ephesians 6:5) or perhaps even "And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away." (Matthew 18:9). There are some pretty dark and disturbing messages in the bible, and yet I doubt that would cause a stir -- or maybe it would since people are offended by everything, especially when in an artistic context.

What if a crucifix was painted? The image of a naked man, bloodied and nailed to a cross with a crown thorns on his head. That's pretty grim, and yet because it represents the hegemonic faith of choice, there's nothing dark about it. It's all perspective, all forms of controlling the status quo.

Don't get me wrong, Clinton and Podesta are devilish (among other people, including Trump and his campaign in my opinion), but this dinner attendance is not.

[–]gogogadgetarmsandleg 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

Surely someone familiar with the occult has heard of this before though, right?

[–]wh40k_Junkie 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

I highly doubt real powerful occultists talk about their practices on reddit

[–]MonoIiths 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, they do all the time; after all they talk about it in open so...

[–]gogogadgetarmsandleg 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Any idea of what a good source for information would be as far as occultism goes?

[–]wh40k_Junkie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck if I know, I started getting into all this stuff like 2 months ago so it's all new to me. Only thing I'm doing is experiments and recording them and staying with the ... uhm. .. less black magic aspects of it. I'm also focusing on auras and there isn't much info on them except how to see them. Problem being once you see it, then what ?

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Who knows? Some of us on here might get to that level eventually.

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[–]msoc 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's what I came here for. What could "spirit cooking" possibly be? What is just a demonstration or were they trying to achieve something?

[–]Saoren 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

ive been to a talk given by her

[–]gogogadgetarmsandleg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What was your initial impression of her? Her attitude, vibe, etc.

[–]giolort 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do we whether or not is a Satanic Ritual? How can they tell the difference (if they can)?

[–]Garbagebutt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

When done in public, it is art.

When done in private. it is not.

[–]donuthazard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not Satanic just art.

[–]beyondlove1037 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Something that's getting lost in the shuffle of this story: the dinner Podesta was invited to was NOT the art ritual performance. The dinner was just a regular dinner that was called a "spirit cooking" dinner as a joke reference to museum pieces that she performed in the 90s.

[–]truck_de_monster 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think it's awesome. There needs to be more magic minds in politics. If you're gonna be an openly proud xtian, why not be a proud Satanist?

[–]trincyolo[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Politics is where the majority of magic is happening. For more grass roots stuff The_Donald and /pol/ have some serious meme magic and hyper sigil stuff going on atm.

And the elite have had bohemian grove etc for a long time.

[–]Acmnin 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is this seriously what our sub has become? Donald rejects?

[–]CuckRaper -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

You'd think in /r/occult of all places people wouldn't get so butthurt over political opinions.

[–]Acmnin 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fuck Trump. Fuck every single person that supports him. Occultism doesn't mean you need to support the worst candidate in history. In fact I kind of expect actual occultists to be a bit smarter and more skeptical based on his obvious fascist, authoritarian tendencies and willingness to get in bed with religious fanatics.

[–]CuckRaper 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I expect occultists to be smart enough not to succumb to media induced hysteria. But here we are.

[–]Acmnin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh no hysteria, just years of studying history, enough sense to realize that humans have elected fascists before, and you know not being a fucking idiot.

And yeah, fuck Mike Pence and his gay conversion therapy.

[–]hughcullen -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

As long as they don't bring child abuse into it then perhaps. Also, the fact that the feign chistianity and pretend to be only in it to better the lives of common people is also fucking infuriating.

[–]Ryuutorak 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

How about WikiLeaks being pieces of shit for trying to make Satanism sound like a bad thing?

[–]kodiakus 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wikilieaks doesn't editorialize, they just release the data.

[–]Ryuutorak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't have to editorialize when other people will do it for you.

[–]SoUglyEveryoneDied 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

You jumped to too many conclusions. Please hear me out, this is actually very interesting and mysterious. Satanism, satan, devil, hell, ect was not mentioned by wikileaks in any way, that's only from the linked site. Sites with 'conservative' in the name tend to love talking about satanic scares. Anyways, John Podesta's brother was emailed by Marina asking if his brother would be attending. Brother Podesta then emailed John asking if he was coming to spirit dinner with Marina (John knows her on a first name basis). So I see there's two possibilities of what actually happens at these 'spirit dinners'. One, the Podestas go and take part in an actual ritual led by Marina; Or two, the Podestas go and take part in what THEY BELIEVE to be a ritual, when Marina is acting and actually nothing but a sociopathic artist. Probably two. Crazy stuff.

[–]Ryuutorak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not much of a conclusion to jump to that the leak was designed to associate Hillary Clinton with Satanism, and since they only post negative stuff about her, it's pretty obviously meant to associate Satanic shit to Hillary.

Which would just make me more likely to vote for her, tbh. But that's not the perception it would create in their target audience.

[–]ForkTongue 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wikileaks never said anything about Satanism. All they do is release the emails and other people comb through they. They provide no subtext.

[–]trincyolo[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol Well it's better then them going around trying to give them a good name. That would ruin their reputation.

[–]startedbackin77 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wikileaks has been shit for awhile now.

[–]Zaneph -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Satanism is complete spiritual degradation. Opening oneself to the unconscious, telluric, and feminine forces is qualitatively much worse than profanity. I know this sounds aggressive, but I'm not trying to troll you. I understand religious structures have lost any credibility for transcendent truth in our age, and me writing this comment won't have any immediate effect on your perspective, but warning is in place for opening yourself up to unconscious forces. You don't even have to listen to me, but it isn't just a matter of psyche. In the future, if you decide to adopt a path that seeks to liberate oneself, you may find it difficult to deal with the obstacles put in place by those previous engagements.

[–]Ryuutorak 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never said I was walking this path. I subscribe to occult on Reddit-- much different than what you're talking about.

[–]gogogadgetarmsandleg 2ポイント3ポイント  (40子コメント)

Came to this sub to ask about this. Anyone ever heard of it prior to this news leak? Just trying to establish credibility

[–]888JURH888 22ポイント23ポイント  (9子コメント)

Personally, I think it's nonsense. It's definitely not Satanic, given that... Well, Satan wasn't ever fucking mentioned. If you're doing a ritual to appease Satan, you'd probably want to do something to direct the energy of the evening towards him. Otherwise you're just kind of stabbing your hand and drinking breastmilk like an asshole while Satan has no idea what you're even trying to do.

My opinion is that this was just the occultist trying to impress some important people with a lot of spooky shit that doesn't really mean much of anything. Stab your left hand and eat the pain? Really? Drinking breastmilk on earthquake nights? Sounds like shit from a B-horror movie, not an actual occult ritual. I personally do practice blood magick, sometimes by drawing blood painlessly and sometimes with a knife for pain empowerment. I would never fucking stab my hand. That's moronic and dangerous. Nobody is going to do that.

[–]trustmeim18 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

There was also some messages saying something about a Minerva/Owl agreement. Any thoughts on that?

[–]888JURH888 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with the falling of the dusk." - G.W.F. Hegel, from "The Philosophy of Right"

It means that true knowledge and understanding of an event can only really be possessed after it has taken place. Like "hindsight is 20/20".

You can look into an occult explanation of the goddess Minerva and her owl symbolism, but I think it's more likely that they have an agreement based on that saying-- perhaps not to act rashly until the dust has settled.

[–]gogogadgetarmsandleg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, anyone else have an opinion to weigh in on that? There was another mention of some esoteric deity in the same email as the spirit dinner.

Edit:spelling

[–]Umm_Al_KitaB 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

So it was an art project the recipes were used to conceptually inspire paintings. There is a painting or drawing that was conceived as what the recipe of drinking breastmilk on earthquake night is. And when you see the painting it really does sorta seem like that in a surrealist poetic way.

[–]Thementalrapist -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Quick question since you seem to know what you're talking about, do any of these references have anything to do with the left hand path?

[–]888JURH888 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Possibly. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that the left hand would be chosen to draw blood from due to the thematic connection of darker magick (which our occultist seems to be going for here) and the left hand path. However, consider this; if you draw blood from your left hand, you're using your right hand. Most people are right handed anyway, so if you were to "cut deeply" into one of them, the left is the natural choice. I have two small nicks on my left hand right now, both of them for blood used in ceremonies. Never when I cut my left hand did I consider it to be symbolic of the left hand path, nor do I identify strictly with the left hand path. If I were to try and do something that evoked the feeling of being a left hand path magician, I would probably act with my left hand, and draw blood from the right.

[–]KebabMarley 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the nature of what these people do with their lives strongly implies left hand path, even if they don't take the occult stuff seriously

[–]Umm_Al_KitaB 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yes it was a fairly well known art exhibition from back in the day.

[–]gogogadgetarmsandleg 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Had you heard of it prior to this?

[–]Umm_Al_KitaB 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, I have been interested in her stuff off and on. Some I like others I don't get.

[–]gogogadgetarmsandleg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good to know! I'm just curious about all the hooplah. Trying to form an opinion. What has your impression been of her?

[–]moscowramada 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

The key part here is the person performing it: Abramovic. She's a famous contemporary artist who'll be taught in art schools 100 years from now - if nothing else, for her influence. Like a lot of artists, she plays with ideas, characters and concepts of all kinds, including the outré, but it would be a stretch to call her some kind of master sorcerer (lol).

To put it in terms reddit might understand, this has all the marks of an Eminem-style artistic provocation. When his first commercial album came out, was it a terrifying glimpse into the heart of a madman, or was it, you know, some artsy performing you shouldn't take too literally? Same thing.

[–]badasspiggy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

it would be a stretch to call her some kind of master sorcerer

Well except for the fact that she herself claims to be an occultist, and that the rituals she does privately are not art, they are magic. Now we could get Alan Moore in here and have a conversation about what the difference between art and magick really is (if there's any), but the fact is that by Abramovic's own words, this Spirit Cooking thing is an occult ritual.

[–]_HagbardCeline 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's a famous contemporary artist who'll be taught in art schools 100 years from now

This Margerie Cameron wannabe? Get a grip.;)

[–]PureandInnocent 8ポイント9ポイント  (18子コメント)

This is just Illuminati/Rothschilds/Bohemian Grove rabbit hole. Is the world run by a loose affiliation of black magicians? I think so personally, but what can be done about it? I'm just going to continue practicing my qigong and living my life.

[–]usagizero 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Stuart Mackenzie: Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

Tony Giardino: So who's in this Pentavirate?

Stuart Mackenzie: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, and Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee beady eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

Charlie Mackenzie: Dad, how can you hate "The Colonel"?

Stuart Mackenzie: Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartass!

[–]Anderson82 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Remembering this scene made me laugh so hard I cried... into my huge pillah!

[–]MonoIiths -3ポイント-2ポイント  (13子コメント)

Is the world run by a loose affiliation of black magicians?

Not really... structurally in order:

The Luciferians are more hard-core in many regards; where the Satanists are more showy.

The Satanic get-togethers are used as recruiting grounds for serious practitioners into Luciferianism.

In these things there is no actual sense of power; it is just seeing what people are willing to do but more importantly why did they reach that determination?

If it is for enjoyment, they may be able to move upward where the bodies people are eating off of won't be mock sacrifices.

In other words, folks seeking entry into Luciferianism will go to these proving grounds in order to be noticed; if they are not noticed they will still stay in a realm of general power and influence as a lot of Luciferians enjoy going to these functions as well.

The big thing is enjoyment, if biting pieces of skin off a persons face until they scream and cry for their parents doesn't physically turn you on and make you feel erotic you're probably not cut out for Luciferianism.

These are highly vicious people they will slash you to pieces and eat you while you are alive in an act of sexual pleasure

Edit: I mean literally, to experience the sensation of a person who is in blinding pain is absolutely like cocaine to people; you can't get enough of it.. a lot of people who enjoy this are ironically highly empathic.

[–]jumpinthedog 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

You assume black magic=Luciferianism

[–]MyRedAccount 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The light bringer's magic is totally black and dark, like.

Urgh.

[–]MonoIiths 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

But I never said "Black Magic" or made this association

Actually that was you

[–]jumpinthedog 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Is the world run by a loose affiliation of black magicians?

Actually, you quoted him saying black magic and then refuted his point

[–]MonoIiths -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sorry, but I'm just laughing at you.

You can't even read so how are you going to argue a point?

People like you depend on others to accept your version of events; you must surround yourself with really weak people, huh.

[–]jumpinthedog 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Replying to the post twice doesn't make your point stronger when you have a username

[–]MonoIiths -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does using rate down have more of an effect?

Anyway it is for people watching, not for you

[–]MonoIiths -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Don't you know how to read?

loose affiliation of black magicians =/= Black Magic

So I'm saying it's not run by Black Magicians but Luciferians.

Again that's actually you.. (The Black Magic thing) you are so ignorant you don't even realize you are interacting based on your own internal set of symbol associations...

Uninteresting, die soon.

[–]jumpinthedog 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow you must be so enlightened, Jesus the smugness from your post is palpable. You said Luciferians are more hard-core than Satanists and then went on to describe them. (I am guessing you are one from your childish flaunting of their sexual pleasure)

Uninteresting, die soon.

Let me know your position on this when you get out of middle school.

[–]MonoIiths -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're pretty smug yourself, to feel you're in a position to be corrective in any regard

I'm not flaunting anything, I'm talking reality and a large part of what people do is sex based, most occult wisdom is related through innuendo

You're pretty dumb, huh?

[–]jumpinthedog 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was adding to a discussion, considering Reddit's purpose is discussion and information sharing. To think someone calling me an illiterate idiot and wishing death upon me would take offense to a correction of their statement is not surprising.

most occult wisdom is related through innuendo

Believe that if you wish

[–]MonoIiths -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The reality is you'll never know a luciferian even if you do, they will basically never admit that and will seek to be perceived otherwise

Satanism is more free and doesn't require so much.... So uhhhh.

You're wrong, and too stupid to know that

[–]KebabMarley 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not Satanism, IMHO, but it's a pretty dark and fucked up approach to ritual.

[–]Wordwench 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Trump Camp, along with just about every conspiracy website/host/show there is discovered a release on Wikileaks in which Podesta was invited to a dinner she was hosting, the theme of which was based on this work (circa 1997). Because she is a controversial artist, as is this work in particular, now Clinton is a Satanist.

TL;DR: People are idiots, but sex sells. Apparently, Satan does too.

[–]gogogadgetarmsandleg 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good to know. I'm glad that there are people online who don't jump to conclusions just to fit their narrative.

[–]B12MilkThistle 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Satanist I know are very much like this video. Theatrical atheist. I know many Christians who are by their actions and works much more "Satanic" by the biblical definition. They scare me much more than self-proclaimed satanists.

[–]MonoIiths 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know many Christians who are by their actions and works much more "Satanic" by the biblical definition

You can expect to find a traditional LUCIFERIAN in a Christian position of influence..

Satanism is totes different

[–]Wetwithwords33 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is seriously taking away from the real thing podesta was involved in, which was "ufo" disclosure. it was of course promptly stopped when max spiers and gaurav tiwari were both found dead in poland and india, same countries where 2 hitmen where also found to be.

podesta was asking hillary to go along with disclosure on alien contact that the military had and she instead decided to add these two to the hitlist to shut it down. the same day these deaths were found was the same day there was supposed to be a press conference in the uk disclosing government and alien contact. strange how it didnt happen after all, mission accomplished.

now this confusion, is also taking away from the research both of these individuals did, which does go into pedophilia and child sacrifice used in satanic rituals by those in power. that was in fact what one of the biggest parts of disclosure would have contained!

its fake bs like this that distracts from the things that are really occuring! they are using this so when the real things come up everyone will say the same "oh well, weve gone through this dumb shit before. it cant be real blah blah blah"

[–]zonkobonko 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here's what I found about "spirit cooking", since I had never heard the term before.

It looks to be something performance artist Marina Abramović came up with. From her website:

Spirit Cooking was the first project Jacob Samuel produced with his portable aquatint box, working with Abramović—a performance artist with little printmaking experience—in her Amsterdam studio. The artist chose to make a cookbook,writing a series of "aphrodisiac recipes" that serve as evocative instructions for actions or thoughts. To allow the artist to create the accompanying etchings in a manner consistent with her body-oriented practice, Samuel prepared the plates with soft ground so she could scratch directly onto the surface with her fingernails and encouraged her to work with spitbite, using her own saliva with nitric acid to paint on the plate.

It appears that she draws on walls and things with blood and various other fluids. Not something that's really common occult practice. Although blood rituals have been practiced symbolically for as long as ritual has existed, they are not something most occultists often or ever engage in.

[–]ChildOfComplexity 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

As much as abramovic has any explicitly occult practice is I'd look for it's source in traditional witchcraft (with an eye towards feminist interest in the topic)

The Yugoslavian performance artist Marina Abramović produced a short film, Balkan Erotic Epic exploring the sexuality of Balkan pagan traditions.

And meditative states (or altered states of consciousness/ overcoming the bodies natural limits) through long durational performance (which is her primary mode of practice). I'm generally pretty stand offish about her work as specific pieces but I find this one intriguing

Rhythm 10, 1973

In her first performance in Edinburgh 1973, Abramović explored elements of ritual and gesture. Making use of twenty knives and two tape recorders, the artist played the Russian game, in which rhythmic knife jabs are aimed between the splayed fingers of one's hand. Each time she cut herself, she would pick up a new knife from the row of twenty she had set up, and record the operation. After cutting herself twenty times, she replayed the tape, listened to the sounds, and tried to repeat the same movements, attempting to replicate the mistakes, merging past and present. She set out to explore the physical and mental limitations of the body – the pain and the sounds of the stabbing; the double sounds from the history and the replication. With this piece, Abramović began to consider the state of consciousness of the performer. "Once you enter into the performance state you can push your body to do things you absolutely could never normally do."

[–]Saoren -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

marina abramovic is a performance artist and a very weird one at that. is it satanic? not explicitly, though to be fair she apparently has quite a few things pointing towards at least occultic imagery. she has also done performances that aren't explicit at all like " the artist is present". overall i have no opinion so to speak, im not christian. that being said, as someone who hates clinton, i cant say im exactly mad about her getting more flak even by proxy.

[–]theWMWotMW -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

All I want to know, is what kind of sect these people represent (what do the sigils and symbols ultimately lead to), what is their ultimate intention, exactly what spirits/demons are these folks trying to align themselves to, and how does this relate to the whole Kek-the-Egyptian-deity theory about Trump's success, in the grand scheme of things.

[–]hibroka -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

wasnt there one leak where they supposedly sacrificed a chicken to moloch? that was wild

[–]RealGsDontSleep -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say they perform rituals with children. We know they trade them.