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[Post Matchday Thread] Fenerbahçe 2 - 1 Manchester United (self.reddevils)

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This is the Post MATCHDAY thread, a separate and completely different post to the regular post match thread. These posts are to generate a more level-headed discussion of the game, after everyone has had time to reflect on what happened

FT Score: Fenerbahçe 2 - 1 Manchester United

Goals:

Sow 2’ FBSK 1 - 0 MUFC

Lens 59’ FBSK 2 - 0 MUFC

Rooney 89’ FBSK 2 - 1 MUFC

Stats

Possession Shots On Target Corners Fouls Yellow Cards Red Cards
FBSK 30% 8 4 0 16 5 0
MUFC 70% 9 3 9 15 3 0

BBC Report

Man of the Match

Moussa Sow (Fenerbahce)

Quotes From the Manager

Right Result

"They deserved to win. Football is not just about quality; it is about effort and commitment, it is about playing to your limits. In an atmosphere like this, to concede an early goal gives the opposition exactly what they want. The opponent can then defend and counter-attack us with a lead and that is our fault for letting them be in that situation. They were playing a Champions League final and we were playing a summer friendly by the way the game started."

Late Response

"After their second goal we reacted and could have got a different result but I didn’t feel we deserved more as over the 90 minutes we didn’t play well enough. We didn’t fully play to our maximum."

Defensive Injuries

"It is difficult to cope, having to play with two left-backs at centre-back. This makes it tough to cope with the physicality of the game. To try and have the ball and create chances we made attacking changes but we could not create chances to score."

Qualification Chances

"We don’t depend on the others, we depend on ourselves. If we win both games we qualify. Even with four points we could qualify, since Feyenoord play Fenerbahce and both sides cannot get maximum points."

Full comments from Mourinho's post-match interview and press conference can be found in the comments area or in the link below

Jose's MUTV Interview

Jose's Press conference video

Other links:

Highlights/Full match Download or Watch Online

Match Thread

Post-Match Thread

Group Standings

Position Team Pld +/- Pts
1 Fenerbahçe 4 -1 7
2 Feyenoord 4 1 7
3 Man United 4 2 6
4 Zorya Luhansk 4 -2 2

Full Europa League Standings - BBC

Talking points

  • Players' mentality vs. manager's fault. Which one is it?

  • We do not have a specific play-style nor do we play with purpose.

  • Who do you think deserves to start and who should be benched?

  • Do you believe Mourinho has a talented player to fill every position of his starting XI. If not, who do you think should be axed?

Next Match:

Swansea City (A) - KO 16:00 BST (15:00 GMT), Sunday 6th November - Premier League

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[–]Bangar24Beckham[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

JOSE MOURINHO DISCUSSES HIS CONCERNS

Jose Mourinho believes Manchester United's injury-hit defence is a little unbalanced, with three left-footers in the back four, and this is affecting the side's stability.

Although stressing Daley Blind and Marcos Rojo are doing their best in the circumstances, and they helped keep clean sheets as a pairing in the home games against Manchester City (in the EFL Cup) and Burnley, the injuries to Eric Bailly, Chris Smalling and Antonio Valencia have been a blow.

Following the Reds' 2-1 Europa League defeat to Fenerbahce on Thursday, Mourinho was asked at his post-match press conference why his team has been unusually vulnerable at the start of matches, after conceding very early goals at Chelsea and in Istanbul.

"Well, you’ve never seen a Jose Mourinho team play with two left-backs at central defence, and I cannot be critical of the boys, because they do what they can," he replied.

"They try their best; for Daley [Blind] it is even more difficult to play as a central defender on the right side. It’s completely uncomfortable for him; he cannot even be a good builder of the game, which is one of his good qualities. Marcos is trying hard and is fine, but it’s a very important starting point for the stability of the team.

"Even in matches where we didn’t concede goals with them, against Manchester City and Burnley, they were both home matches and we managed to play with a high percentage of the ball and with the defensive line almost at the halfway line. But it is hard to have a really strong team."

The manager also explained that the forward players are lacking confidence but he hopes Wayne Rooney's late strike in Turkey will aid matters ahead of Sunday's visit to Swansea City in the Premier League.

"We can also speak about the number of goals that we don’t score," he added. "Not the number of goals that we score, the ones that we don't score. Sometimes teams don’t score goals because of their philosophy, because the team isn’t aggressive enough and doesn’t risk enough.

"That’s not our case, that’s not our case at all. It is also easy to see that some players in our attacking areas lack confidence; they’re not sharp and getting the chances that they can. Probably one of the only good things today was the fact that Rooney finally scored a goal. This also could be one of the key points in terms of his self-confidence."

[–]flowtschiHerrera 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dont know what we can take away from that one. Cant think of much positive.

Getting past the Groupstage is still in our Hands; guess thats the only thing.

Other than that all I ve seen was mediocrity. Noone seemed to care. An evening to fortget tbh.

[–]kiwwi191 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • One of our problems is width and especially in our fullbacks IMO. If Valencia doesn't play and Shaw is not at his best there is not enough support with overlapping or so. Just notice sometimes how tirelessly Clyne, Walker, Moreno (even he is dumb as fuck and awfull footballer), Rose, Azpi, Bellerin etc are overlaping all the game even it is unused they are not overlaping for nothing - it creates spaces, stretching a defences, making the chaoss. I am very often frustrated with our fullbacks just give to ball to wingers and they stop running forward (if it is instruction from managers like safety first or it is just laziness I don't know). It is very difiicult for winger just beat defender one on one and we got stack and pass the ball backwards or lose the ball.

  • second problem is pretty obvious - movement and tempo - we are not running enough like we are saving the energy for nex match or something (just run the socks off, score 3-4 goals and then turn into the saving mode) and our passing is lacking tempo and more one-twos

  • third problem is mentality - players are under the huge pressure for not delivering the results and not playing nice football and when they are playing good, opponents keepers are suddenly supermen and their forwards score goals like in Shaolin soccer

My opinion is that it is managers responsibility to fix this. He is there to do that. And if players let him down just bench them. They are earning unbelievable money and sometimes play like they don't give a shit. That's absurd. They would never make two consecutive runs of that bad performances under the Fergie because they would shit themselves in the dressing room.

[–]availableusername10Beckham 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We just looked so easy to defend against. It genuinely seemed like such a routine job for Fenerbahçe. Definitely not the first time this has happened as well. I'm not going to make any judgments about Mourinho's tenure just yet because I think that's ridiculous, but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that I just can't see what we are trying to do going forward. That was pretty apparent this game, as Mourinho basically seemed to go full Roy Hodgson and throw all of our forwards on at once. That being said, I'm not exactly a tactical genius so if someone a little more well versed than myself could tell me what his plan was yesterday regarding his substitutions, it'd be much appreciated.

[–]Anteatersarefriends 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think our players deserve more blame than they are getting.

We have had 3 managers, 2 league-winning and well respected managers. And we continue to play, bar a few exceptions, with a lack of passion and purpose. We've all been seeing a lack of focus leading to clumsy early goals, no aggression on the pitch, poor positional discipline, and no fightback when we're down.

Yes, we can argue formations and starting eleven. But it's hard to argue against the fact that the players we put out there very often should get a result and do not. Is the manager causing a lack of focus and preparedness? If it were one season of this then maybe yes. But we've had three different managers have a go and we see more or less the same issues.

Maybe, for a team that has had so much upheaval, it's not possible to expect anything but disjointed displays and a lack of understanding. But it's hard to shake the feeling that we should be good enough already to win games like this, given our talent level and if our players applied themselves. It's the games vs. "lesser" opponents where we just don't look like the players care enough.

And that's just not right.