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[Non Christians] Anyone else think that Christian(Trinity group)is a polytheist religion. (self.DebateReligion)

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To anyone other than Christians think that Christian(trinity sect)is a polytheist religion.

The Majority of Christians believes that Jesus is God. Jesus a man who came as God is similar to the ideas in Hinduism.

In Hinduism central God sent part of himself which split into three parts as Shiva, Vishnu and Shakti, which is still connected to the main God. If that is the case by Christian logic we can consider Hinduism to be monotheistic religion.

In Judaism and Islam both believe in one God. I think everyone can consider Judaism and Islam monotheist without question.

Christians believes in the trinity, where god's identity is split into parts(trinity) and put back to together. No matter how some Christian try to spin the trinity story it keeps supporting the polytheistic view. Jesus is 100%God father is 100%God holy sprit is 100%God and they are all one, I don't know how they do math in Christian communities but that is sum of God being 300%.

Christianity(trinity)should be considered polytheistic.The 3 entities all being 100% God.All three entities stem from one primary God similar to Hinduism triune God, which also stem from a primary God.

Why does Christianity(Trinitarian) continue to be stubborn about being monotheistic and promote a polytheistic theology.

I dont understand why Christians(trinity) can't admit that they are a polytheistic religion.

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[–]akaheadshot 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, Trinitarian Christianity is polytheism. It goes against Judaism's definition of monotheism. It is not logically possible that 3 = 1.

[–]SsurebreCagnostic atheist 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It goes against Judaism's definition of monotheism.

I think it goes against just about everyone's definition of monotheism.

[–]WarmFishSalad 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Christianity is polythestic functionally, different prayers to different types of gods. Prayers to saints for specific things. Ideologically they always argue the prayers go back to the source...but then they spent lots of time engaging in polythestic style prayer.

[–]SsurebreCagnostic atheist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I put on a ratheist hat (apparently this is a thing) then I would say it's a cognitive dissonance test - if you can convince yourself that 3=1 then you're in the club. There are 3 gods.

Taking that hat off, I like this video which basically says "just believe".

I haven't had a Christian explain to me how 3=1. I'm perfectly fine with one God and fine with 3 just don't tell me that 3 gods is monotheism.

[–]Rrrrrrr777jewish 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yeah, it is. That's why Jews aren't allowed to enter a church but a mosque is fine; Christianity is idolatrous.

[–]anticks1hindu 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Christianity is idolatrous.

Please define an idol.

The definition I am working under is: an idol is any which way God chooses to communicate with humankind. Xians believe God incarnated as Jesus to communicate with humankind. Hindus believe God incarnated as Krishna to communicate with humankind. Muslims believe Quran is how Allah chose to communicate with humankind.

That is why in churches around the world, you find idols/statues of Jesus. That is why in temples around the world, you find idols/statues of Krishna. That is why in mosques around the world, you find inscriptions from the Quran.

These are ways humanity celebrates the way the absolutely infinite and transcendental God chose to interact and relate with puny, infinitesimal humanity.

[–]OneForAll101[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm sorry inscription is not the same as worshipping idols. Most Churches have Jesus idol, Hindu temple has a idol, but when it comes to mosque there is no idol. Quran specially mentions not to worship idols.

[–]flatulentoldbuggerMod | atheist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Quran specially mentions not to worship idols.

But Muslims do, don't they? In Islam, Allah is God, correct? So why do Muslims literally drop their shit when someone says something bad about Muhammad? Why do hadiths sometimes trump the Quran when hadiths are the sayings of Muhammad and the Quran is supposed to be the literal word of God? This glorification of Muhammad means that Islam is bordering upon polytheism.

[–]Kryptomeistermuslim 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Muslims do not worship Muhammad, Taweed or the oneness of God is the most fundamental building block of Islam, Muhammad is revered and held in high esteem but not worshipped.

It's not that Hadith trump the Quran but given that Arabic script at the time was new and virtually incomprehensible, Hadith are necessary for context. It's virtually impossible to understand the Qurans elliptical style and context without Hadith, that's why they are held in such high regard, and why at times they appear to add to Quranic ayas.

Most Muslims would regard the idea that God is a Trinity idolatrous, or raising Isa up to the level of God as idolatrous.

[–]WarmFishSalad 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Jewish people cannot enter a church? What do they think will happen?

[–]Rrrrrrr777jewish 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

They'll appear to be endorsing idolatry.

[–]Korach -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've never heard his but if I would guess they would be worried that others would see them going into the church and say "look at that Jew...he done gone in a Jesus church" and it would give fuel to saying something negative.

There are other examples of this. A religious enough Jew (modern orthodox at a minimum) would not go into a non-kosher restaurant to use the toilette to protect against someone saying "look at that there Jew going to the house of pork".

[–]reiverstolerant heathen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really. I don't understand the direct equivalence of Jesus to God, that is to say that Jesus is also God. No, he's the son of God. He is a demigod of sorts. Like Hercules and such, he's got power but not straight-up divinity.

But for those that believe that he is God, another aspect, it still doesn't bother me, because I see it as a facet of the same being. Three faces of one god, presented at different times for different reasons. Gods seem to do this plenty in other religions, I think he just has fooled his followers a bit on the definitions.

[–]Morkelebminkatheist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course it is. I've yet to hear a satisfactory answer from any christian who believes in the trinity why it's not 3 different gods.

I find all the explanations/arguments I have yet heard to be incredibly wanting.

Not to mention that Satan also meets the definition for a god, just an evil one.

[–]Mrnewbhero 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even the "oneness" movement is polythesitic. They just think jesus was 2 in 1 (a full man with a man brain, and a full god with gods mind, in one person). How? "His ways are higher etc ergo polytheism". My theory is that once the little sect of judaism known as "early Christianity" got in the hands of gentiles, it was only a matter if time before it would turn into human worship, polytheism, demigods etc since thats what they already liked.

[–]anticks1hindu 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

In Judaism and Islam both believe in one God.

What does this even mean?

Both these traditions believe that their God conversed with Moses up on a hill. If he indeed did, God changed from state S1 to state S2. How?

Consider time t1 before Moses went up the hill. At this time, their God was in state S1 of "not having yet spoken with Moses." Consider time t2 after Moses had conversed with God and returned to find his villagers worshipping a golden calf. At time time, their God was in state S2 of "having spoken with Moses."

Thus, God has changed between time t1 and t2.

So, they are worshipping a changing God.

The monotheism/polytheism debate is ill defined since no one is able to accurately describe what a monotheistic faith means. In Islam, there are multiple entities - jinns, arch angel Jebreil, Satan, etc., that seem to possess abilities greater than human but less than God. Yet, God for whatever reason needs these people to communicate with humankind. If Allah cannot incarnate while simultaneously upholding his ontological greatness, it seems that Allah is not all powerful.

[–]itachinosaigoppehAn argument without evidence can be dismissed without evidence 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have seen a Muslim explain this idea of timelessness and unchanging nature in this way: Imagine two lines on a graph intersecting. From the POV of a hypothetical two or one-dimensional creature, the two lines intersect at a particular period in time as it travels on the line. From our POV however, the two lines have always been intersecting one another. Similarly, God is at a dimension higher than ours and from his POV, he and Moses had always been meeting.

Edit: spelling

[–]anticks1hindu 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So, from our POV, God did change, yes?

I am aware of these arguments. However, this makes some of their other claims unintelligible.

For consider this. What you are saying is that in God's higher dimension (hoping here that higher the dimension the "truer" or more real things are, would you agree?) things always were.

So, we ourselves have been existing since immemorial past for we were always part of God's knowledge.

One of the central claims of Islam is that only God is beginningless while we have a finite beginning. But clearly, we do not have a beginning since we always were a part of God's knowledge. Likewise, the universe is eternal - being a part of God's knowledge eternally. So, there is really no creation from God's POV, since there is nothing higher or better than God's POV.

This dramatically changes the ontological categorization of what is a creator and what is created undercutting some other core principles of Islam.

[–]itachinosaigoppehAn argument without evidence can be dismissed without evidence 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah. I see what you're saying. Would have to ask a Muslim or Christian. I'm not sure if Jews also believe in a timeless god.

[–]sarvam-sarvatmakamHindu|Advaita|♥Stranger Things♥ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I haven't read much on the topic but I don't see any reason why the Trinity has to be polytheistic. The dual nature of Christ bothers me more.

[–]BigHoss616 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, the 3 "god head" is still one Supreme Living God.

Some believe Jesus is literally God's son (separate being) and his father blessed him with the holy spirit.

[–]Mrnewbhero 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats a meaningless definition of monotheism. By that token, every religion is monotheistic if you simply say "the whole universe is like one force, man".

[–]Nushifreally is a theist. I swear. -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not sure. If it's polytheism it's nothing like this polytheist's understanding of polytheism.

While it is some rather interesting theology, I'd place it more along the lines of someone who thinks there is one god with many facets.

Polytheism to me would actually indicate three different gods. Not three different facets of a god.

[–]Mrnewbhero 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But the whole universe is like one thing, man. Its all one god. Thats not what "monotheism" means. Different characters with different minds/thoughts/wills/looks/names worshipped as god is polytheism.