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Europe, you broke the world. (i.redd.it)

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[–]Mechanical-oneMy mechanical Semen does not Foam [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Broke the world by brining everyone into the modern era. Clearly africa was a tropical paradise and the natives never did nothing wrong to each other.

[–]donaldthelionTriggersexual [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I know right its almost like Indians weren't constantly at war with each other

[–]MadLordPunt [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'm 1/4 Muscogee, and the idea of the 'noble savage' is the biggest fraud. It's revisionist history. A lot of the tribal leaders sold off land and became rich. James Vann was a Cherokee tribal leader who also owned slaves and plantations. Some of the tribal leaders were the only ones with enough money that owned large brick houses in early towns. Not to mention that before Europeans arrived here, native tribes took slaves from each other after wars.

[–]TheHebrewHammersWeponized Minority [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

but, but muh narrative.....

[–]fxmldr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The idea of the noble savage is also profoundly European.

[–]izlude7027 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Imagine what they would have done to their neighboring tribes if they had had pack animals and mounted warriors. Or steel. Or gunpowder.

[–]bigalsplaypen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

To be fair, foreign policy over the last century or so seems to be something along the lines of "Fuck Africa."

[–]CocknoseMcGintyAgain [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not as if Africa and Asia left Europe alone now is it?

[–]SMFB13 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"It was a bad idea...but I ain't moving."

[–]MudBug93Sluttosaurus Reks [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Pretty certain Europe and Africa were involved with each other in some kind of way long before America came into existence...

[–]Kevin_LeStrange [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They were. Back in the classical era, when there was no "Europe" or "Africa" but rather "the Mediterranean region" and everything outside of it, what is now considered "North Africa" (in a geographic, political, cultural and linguistic sense) was a hotbed of interaction all over. You had the Greeks and later the Romans, the Phoenicians and later the Carthaginians, and so on. Hannibal left Carthage in the south to attack Rome in the north. Cleopatra was an Egyptian queen of Greek descent. Saint Augustine of Hippo made his indelible mark on Christian theology which spread all over the European continent. The person in the screenshot appears to be applying a modern and irrelevant political ideology to a different era and a different world.

[–]Broski225 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

As much as I hate the argument that Europe should have never discovered the Americas, due to how the Natives ended up being treated, I loathe the argument that Europe some how to blame for everything that is wrong with Africa/Asia.

Africa did and does have impressive cultures (The Moors, Mesopotamia, Egypt, etc.) and isn't/wasn't just a jungle, which is exactly why the argument is bullshit. For thousands of years, it had people living there who had as much technology and control as their European neighbors, and they all interacted with one another in a multitude of different ways. These cultures traded, fought, invaded and worked with one another for a millennia, and they all did it.

African cultures and Asian cultures invaded Europe, as much as Europe invaded them in return. At times, they were even massively more technologically advanced than the Europeans they invaded, and there was as much brutality between them as any the Europeans expressed.

To which everyone always argues, "But the colonization of Africa ruined it!"

Yeah, like Asia and Africa never colonized anything and never were cruel to the natives they defeated.

At least the Americas were as unaware of us as we were of them, and suddenly had to deal with diseases, technology and cultures they had no clue existed up until that point. Africa has been playing the game longer than anyone else has, and while that doesn't justify the shit that's happened there, it does at least change the dynamic.

Shit, if anything, it's infantalizing as shit that people think this way. Africa won, lost, fought and was fought as much as anywhere else, and considering everything, did about as well as everyone else in the long run. It's insulting to everything that has ever happened there, to claim it simply got pushed down by a bigger and meaner kid while everyone ignored the issue.

[–]Mediumtimthin privilleged, swole shamed [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, that's what the nationalists are saying as well.

[–]Bob9999999999999 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Stop using germ theory-based medicine and then I'll take you seriously.

[–]MelissaClickWaiter! I need some mussels over here! [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

God damn industrial revolution, renaissance, science, liberal democracy, ruins fucking everything.

[–]TheHebrewHammersWeponized Minority [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well, have you tried turning it off and on?

[–]LordGraygem [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Perhaps setting it to wumbo? Have they tried that yet?

[–]CaptainCrackbaby [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

If not for a few important wins in the middle ages, the likely a bit less white Europeans would have conquered the Americas and Africa and converted them to Islam. The good news is fewer would have been killed by diseases.

[–]SkinnerTBDYggdrasil-kin [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

how do you figure on the diseases part?

[–]CaptainCrackbaby [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Medieval Europe was filthy. It's what they call The Dung Ages. The Muslims (and the Vikings for that matter) were disgusted by the lack of hygiene and bathing in Christian Europe. The upside of Muslims conquering Europe back then would be that at least the Europeans might have been a bit cleaner and killed fewer Indians by breathing on them.

[–]ddosnUnrepentant Imperialist [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Its generally considered a myth that medieval Europe was unwashed. Medieval people bathed at least once every two to three days at worst. At the absolute worst, they bathed only once a week, but that was in special cases.

[–]CaptainCrackbaby [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Actually I looked it up, it was late medieval-renaissance where it was worst.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDungAges

Patrick Süskind, in Perfume, has this to say about 18th century France: The streets stank of manure, the courtyards of urine, the stairwells stank of moldering wood and rat droppings, the kitchens of spoiled cabbage and mutton fat; the unaired parlors stank of stale dust, the bedrooms of greasy sheets, damp featherbeds, and the pungently sweet aroma of chamber pots. The stench of sulfur rose from the chimneys, the stench of caustic lyes from the tanneries, and from the slaughterhouses came the stench of congealed blood. People stank of sweat and unwashed clothes; from their mouths came the stench of rotting teeth... even the king himself stank, stank like a rank lion, and the queen like an old goat, summer and winter.

Queen Isabella II of Spain bathed only twice in her entire life. This is the queen we're talking about here. That's saying something.

Queen Elizabeth I of England was said to have bathed regularly-four times annually.

And these were the queens of the age when the white man was making first contact with the natives. The sailors were probably even less hygienic.

[–]TheDwarvenGuy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Fun fact: since Jewish religious tradition was very cleanly (staying away from pigs, bathing often, etc) most of them survived the plague, causing the local local Christians to think they started it.

If you look at maps of the plague you notice that it seems to avoid Poland. This is because Poland had a massive Jewish population. Had.

[–]MelissaClickWaiter! I need some mussels over here! [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

WE

[–]Red_Galiray [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Fucking Europeans. I hate them so much. Like, how dare they bring things like education, medicine, modern architecture and farming, cars, airplanes... I liked it better when we were poor farmers without liberty or rights serving the Inca and nobility.

[–]telge [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Incas are pretty cool by New World standards. They built roads, they enforced law and order, and sacrificed people only on rare occasions. I would say they were by far the most likeable Native American civilisation.

[–]Red_Galiray [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I agree. My post was motsly tongue in cheek, and I'd rather live under the Incas than under the Mayas or Aztecs, or heck, I'd even prefer living under them than living in some European countries like Spain.

[–]dancingwombatsruleWombat Kin (plz unfollow if Dingo Kin) [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Have an updoot for using the Pirate version of Facebook, OP.