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Refugees'Hundreds dead' in migrant shipwrecks (bbc.com)

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[–]thejazz97 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

The UN has warned 2016 could be the deadliest for migrants making the journey.

I mean, it's been the worst for just about everything else too

[–]alekzander01 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

I dunno, 1916 was shittier if you ask me

[–]Xiaomeow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not for Ireland - it was the start of something special

[–]Offendsthemods [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What happened to you in 1916?

[–]camerasoncops 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I got a new job, got married, and finally got to move back home. I think 2016 is pretty awesome.

[–]Glitch198 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

My dad suffered total heart failure and had to wait in the hospital for four months before a heart was available for him. Now he has a bad infection and had to lose a part of his sternum.

[–]alokinTESLA [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

you have my support friend. Times like this can be difficult.

[–]BoOogaBoOoga 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

On a global scale. We, not Me.

[–]TrippyIII 36ポイント37ポイント  (3子コメント)

Deport the surviving ones please.

[–]UncleGrga 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

but they want to come to Europe for vodafone and nice poosy

[–]fuxontha1stdate 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

Finally, a feel good news story.

[–]Throw_it_all_away_99 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doubt this will stop future migrants from trying.

[–]sausageparty2015 18ポイント19ポイント  (70子コメント)

They gamble on the chance they can be picked up by the Italians or whomever.

[–]autistitron 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

They also literally capsize their own boats intentionally to force European boats to "rescue" them, at which point they have to be brought to the European side.

And apparently sometimes they don't all get picked up, making the survivors complicit in murder.

[–]roboticpenis5 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

We can't let people hold themselves hostage in exchange for special treatment. That's so fucked up for both sides.

If we had only had a spine and said "go ahead" at the first case of someone saying "let me in your country or I'll kill myself", we'd have saved so many lives while protecting ourselves too.

What kind of precedent have we said? There's no such thing as "just this time".

[–]OpenMindedPuppy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What? Evidence? From what I know, it is the Captain and crew who do this, before escaping on a smaller vessel so that they don't get caught.

[–]Ryuuken24 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or white sharks.

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    [–]sausageparty2015 31ポイント32ポイント  (54子コメント)

    It says several things. Most importantly it says that our policy of picking up people from the middle of the sea sets a dangerous precedent that encourages people to trust smugglers and set off from the coast in dingys. We need to be destroying smuggling rings and returning the migrants back to the African coast.

    [–]shtucazz 8ポイント9ポイント  (15子コメント)

    the Italian and Maltese coast guard are bound by maritime law, UN regulations and the EU to render aid to vessels in distress, regardless of the circumstances that brought them. Turning them back has legal ramifications,especially for the captain of the responding ship.

    [–]scabsgohome 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If they are in Libyan waters, the Libyan government's navy and coast guard should help them.

    ;)

    [–]shtucazz 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    they are usually off the coast of Sicily(Lampedusa) .Italian coast guard patrols only in national waters.

    [–]sausageparty2015 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

    So we should change that situation?

    [–]shtucazz 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

    that would require fixing Lybia. Don't think that will happen any time soon. Changing maritime law would mean unintended consequences such as legitimate distress being ignored on the high seas for any reason deemed legitimate by the captain or his/her bosses. Not something desirable if one was the victim of pirate attacks in the Gulf of Aden expecting help.

    [–]sausageparty2015 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    There's always hurdles on the path to a solution. There is a better solution out there than what we have.

    [–]Itookyourqueen 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Australia is bound by similar treaties but has strict enforcement of migrants attempting to enter by boat. I wonder what the difference is.

    [–]shtucazz 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    we haven't heard the final on Australia's approach,but I suspect that commonwealth countries get a free pass. After all,maritime law as we know it is a product of the British Empire. Just my opinion.

    [–]Earnedit441 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I know Australias approach sounds sane. Europe just dumping hundreds of thousands of random people can not end well. Letting these people in was a decision knowing full well there will be thousands acts of crime of every sort upon their citizens. Following maritime law is treason. mmm

    [–]sausageparty2015 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Political will and cohesion clearly which we don't have.

    [–]shtucazz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I would like to think so as well,but the actions of western leaders point to either an inability or an unwillingness to actually find a concrete solution.

    [–]The_Time_Master 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    that would require fixing Lybia.

    Didn't Clinton already try that?

    [–]vdswegs 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    the Italian and Maltese coast guard are bound by maritime law, UN regulations and the EU to render aid to vessels in distress, regardless of the circumstances that brought them. Turning them back has legal ramifications,especially for the captain of the responding ship.

    In theory, sure. In practice, not so much.

    [–]shtucazz 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    too many eyes and a bleeding heart media coupled with a national obsession on human rights don't help either

    [–]vdswegs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That is absolutely a problem.

    [–]OpenMindedPuppy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Saving people's lives sets a dangerous precedent. If someone speeds on a motorway and crashes their car, we shouldn't give them medical assistance. If someone ODs, we shouldn't give them medical assistance. There are so many dangerous precedents!

    [–]sausageparty2015 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Oh Jesus give over with the heart-string pulling. Are you incapable of thinking in pragmatic terms? Destroy the smuggling rings, stop shipping those in the boats over to Europe. I didn't say we should machine gun them.

    [–]oiyoi -20ポイント-19ポイント  (35子コメント)

    The countries which looted wealth in colonial times should pay up.

    [–]sausageparty2015 7ポイント8ポイント  (34子コメント)

    Explain how these ex-colonial powers should pay, where the money should go and how that would help the migrant crisis.

    [–]oiyoi -16ポイント-15ポイント  (33子コメント)

    They should fund development an create jobs there. There must be international law mandating development by these looters from Europe to pay up and provide absolutely free resources to former colonies.

    [–]sausageparty2015 8ポイント9ポイント  (32子コメント)

    Don't European countries pour billions into Africa already?

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      [–]Lateralus____ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Username checks out.

      [–]mike_pants[M] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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      [–]AreYouSureBot 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Yet when they get to the west they immediately want to establish the shit that made their country of origin a total hellhole...

      [–]SagdiyevOfficial 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Funny that they soon realize that it's not what they were promised.

      [–]SteveJEO 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well... yeah.

      It says they got a limited future in the ship building industry so don't expect a job there.

      [–]Ryuuken24 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Terrible thing when able bodied men flee from their mothers and wives, so they don't have to fight for the country they love so much, which they pull out flags for.

      [–]Futuresingaming 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's pretty great when you read an article that's trying to get you to be empathetic with them but all the photos are of grown men glaring at the camera.

      [–]Plzhelpmeahh 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Fucking cowards should be shot in the back.

      [–]Ryuuken24 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Stalin did that during the war.

      [–]Investing888 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Its how it should be done, I understand women and children fleeing but men should stay and fight.

      You are suppose to fight for your country when its in war not fucking flee like a coward.

      [–]OpenMindedPuppy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Do you have evidence that this is the case? Are not men always the ones forced to fight and die for the country, or in the cases of these young men, whatever group they may happen to be recruited by? People call the Syrian rebels terrorists, and yet when they flee to avoid dieing they become cowards? Make up your God damn minds!

      [–]NinjaDiscoJesus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      at least 239 now

      [–]cjupty 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yet any time a country adopts to policy to prevent exactly this, the UN freaks out.

      [–]terraorbem [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Europe is 100% responsible for every single one of those deaths. And I'm not being sarcastic.

      As long as countries in the EU keep doing things to actively attract these people, and them getting rescued anywhere in the Med means they get to go north, this will only get worse.

      It's time to end that and save countless lives in the process.

      [–]Gladiator3003 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      As long as countries in the EU keep doing things to actively attract these people

      So, stop being peaceful and rich then? OK then, I'm sure we can arrange that!

      [–]x6r 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh no... such a tragedy.

      [–]autotldr 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 66%. (I'm a bot)

      The UN has warned 2016 could be the deadliest for migrants making the journey.

      Ms Sami said 29 people had survived one of the shipwrecks but about 120 others were missing, feared dead. In the second, two people were picked up after swimming for safety but another 120 migrants were still missing.

      Italy has seen an increase in the trafficking of migrants from Libya ever since an EU-Turkey agreement to halt migrants travelling to the Greek islands came into force in March.

      Extended Summary | FAQ | Theory | Feedback | Top keywords: migrants#1 journey#2 people#3 missing#4 More#5

      [–]Flick1981 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Italy has seen an increase in the trafficking of migrants from Libya ever since an EU-Turkey agreement to halt migrants travelling to the Greek islands came into force in March.they inaugurated their migrant taxi service in 2013.

      FTFY

      [–]Investing888 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      4,200 migrants out of 300,000? Thats not bad.

      [–]orlader -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It is a tragedy that is happening continuously, every now and then a boat sinks yet nothing is being done to prevent it from happening again. In fact, the EU seems to make things worse by taking half-hearted measures. It is one of the great challenges of our times to find a humane way of dealing with these migrant waves.

      [–]OpenMindedPuppy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Unfortunately there are a lot of people on r/Worldnews who get pleasure out of 'lesser' peoples dieing while fleeing for safety. It's pretty sickening. I thank God every day of my life that I wasn't born into a third world country. As a 'military aged male' myself, I know that I wouldn't be able to handle the insurmountable stresses that these people have to put up with. It's not just the bad people that want them dead, it's the supposedly good people too!

      [–]OpenMindedPuppy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      This is horrible. Best wishes to all the survivors. I sincerely hope the world becomes a better place one day, so that people don't have to make these treachorous journeys, and that the hatred which is often expressed on this website as much as it is in real life will come to an end too.